Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? And we have very accurate tests. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578910/#p578910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Quick and accurate tests are also important, since you can't really do proper contact tracing if it's too late by the time you get the results to properly track everyone down. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578889/#p578889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Same in Canada though, really. If the Covid Alert ap was built right from the get go like in many Asian countries, we would likely have never had need to crack down as tightly as we did. And physical distancing and cleanliness are definitely, impo, much more vital areas, and you can see thatin countrieslikeJapan where even though the population is super dense, their numbers have been nowhere near as explosive asin the US. Why? Because Japanese culture places a huge emphasis on everything being clean, andpeople rarely touch each other in that cultural regardless. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578884/#p578884 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Contact tracing is also really important. I think it was Assault Freak who brought that up. Knowing who got it, and who they were in touch with, is really important. It's why everyone's so frustrated with the white house right now. Their super-spreader event a couple of weeks back, and it's impossible to tell who was sick when, because no one's being aboveboard about negative tests. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578883/#p578883 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? I would naturally think that social distancing does more over all than masks, and that proper hand washing is also quite important. They all work in consort, but you're right in that it isn't just about the masks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578876/#p578876 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Even if masks are not the main player in all of this it's good that we all do our part. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578865/#p578865 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? 57, note though that Sweeden had alot of nursing home deaths, and sweeds voluntarily socially distanced mostly, from what I can tell, and also from what I have read, sweeden is alot less densely populated compared to the larger cities in the US,, so that also has a massive impact. Trump was a fucking idiot, ignoring health advice, and encouraging others to do it too, not that many needed the encouragement. The results kind of speak for themselves on this one. Nearly all the white house senior staff have covid now, and several were hospitalized too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578727/#p578727 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? 57, note though that Sweeden had alot of nursing home deaths, and sweeds voluntarily socially distanced mostly, from what I can tell, and also from what I have read, sweeden is alot less densely populated compared to the larger cities in the US,, so that also has a massive impact. Trump was a fucking idiot, ignoring health advice, and encouraging others to do it too, not that many needed the encouragement. The results kind of speak for themselves on this one. Nearly all the white house senior staff has covid now, and several were hospitalized too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578727/#p578727 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Sweden never imposed massive restrictions... and their numbers are nowhere near the US, even with the difference in population accounted for. So I personally am skeptical of the opinion that it came only down to the fact that the US lifted restrictions. It had to be more than that, and the lack of use of masks and downplaying by Trump certainly didn't help. But I don't thinkthe use of masks, or not, is the defining factor, which many people in this thread seem to think it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578689/#p578689 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? That article is correct there. The pandemic restrictions were lifted too soon. Trump was going lets open everything up yyeaah! And alot of republican governers eagerly complied, and now? Look at Florida, Georgia and Texas's numbers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578682/#p578682 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? The thing about the mask debate is this: if everyone at the head of the party who turned not wearing masks into a political stand getting Covid within 2 weeks of each other doesn't convince people to wear a mask, nothing we say or do will. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578680/#p578680 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? An interesting article about the potential reasons for why the U.S's stats are so bad compared to other developed countries, and even some less developed and higher population ones, by percentage.https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10 … -too-soon/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578673/#p578673 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Hi,So I don’t want to get caught up in the middle of this debate, however this is a subject which means a lot to me on a personal level. my dad was diagnosed in December of last year with terminal lung cancer and is hugely at risk if he were to catch Covid, obviously the fact it is lung cancer combined with the fact he is on regular kemo and immunotherapy drugs he has an incredibly low immune system, therefore catching this would almost certainly be the end of him. . When I’m out I take precautions and where a mask, I socially distance, not so much for my own health but for others around me and to ensure I don’t accidently catch it and pass it to my dad. I think the scary thing is as others have pointed out, you can have Covid and show no symptoms and therefore be a carrier and pass it on to others, which is one of the things that makes this virus dangerous and difficult to control. Even if from a health perspective you are not classed as in the ‘At risk category’ or don’t believe in masks, spare a thought for people you pass in the street that may be at risk, or that may be inContact or caring for people that are shielding. when I go to visit my dad people I pass in the street see me as healthy and not at risk, but no one knows I’m off to see someone who falls strongly into the ‘at risk category’. Wearing a mask really isn’t a big ask of people and even if you believe that there is some hidden agenda, or the numbers really aren’t that big, you wearing a mask could prevent you unknowingly putting someone at risk, as at the end of the day regardless of whether you believe it is more or less serious than the government/media would have you believe it is definitely a thing and you can do your bit to help. Anyway rant over, I’m sure people will disagree and I want to make it clear I’m not trying to force or tell everyone they must wear masks or else, but I wanted to at least put my thoughts out there as someone trying to keep a close family member safe, and I thank those of you wearing masks for helping keep others like my dad safe.Paul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578647/#p578647 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? I myself won't wear one just walking down the street but will wear one when in a building. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578646/#p578646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? I think it's important to note that Ironcross doesn't disagree with wearing masks. In fact, I don't know that there's anyone who's 100% against it anymore. You've got a few forum users who don't like it and who'll do it as little as they can get away with for one reason or another, but I think everyone understands that this is just where we are right now. I don't think further calling out individuals at this time is a good idea, unless they say or do more to justify it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578608/#p578608 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? My whole point was you have no choice. Put on the mask when you go into a business and if you can't handle that, stay at home. Let me crank up that fan now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578603/#p578603 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? TheGreatCarver wrote:Blue-Eyed Demon, ironcross32 and others:COVID-19 is not a joke or a leftest propaganda piece meant to infringe on your liberties. Stop treating it as such. I have close family members who will have life-long secondary illnesses because they caught the virus while our pants were down. Their lives are permanently changed now because of a virus that we failed to contain partly thanks to our incompetent, egotistical president's toddler-like attitude of "if I ignore it, it'll go away." This is not a Democrat hoax; this is a real deal. Get off your soap box, wear the damned mask and stop making this about your own selfishness.I totally agree, this thinking is just ridiculous where its just a show. For example! Here where I live everyone blames covid on the right wing politics, and some blame it on the pharma industry, and yet others blame it on whatever other government they see fit, others say its a part of the new world order (maybe these are the rear, from behind politics or what have you)shows you how much important, organized and researched of a terribly bad problem this can be... and in the mean time, people die, but oh no, its more important to find out who! who is it behind all of this! and pretend that by professing something repeatedly on forums and whatever will save the world (oh, right, where have I seen this before and nothing has happened after centuries?) as if, that would really make a difference. I think most of us have gone way, way past this though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578556/#p578556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Blue-Eyed Demon, ironcross32 and others:COVID-19 is not a joke or a leftest propaganda piece meant to infringe on your liberties. Stop treating it as such. I have close family members who will have life-long secondary illnesses because they caught the virus while our pants were down. Their lives are permanently changed now because of a virus that we failed to contain partly thanks to our incompetent, egotistical president's toddler-like attitude of "if I ignore it, it'll go away." This is not a Democrat hoax; this is a real deal. Get off your soap box, wear the damned mask and stop making this about your own selfishness. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578513/#p578513 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? I can surely understand people with autism and people with serious breathing problems. but the rest... its' sad, and ridiculous, seeing how the mask became a political prop instead of a saving tool URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578443/#p578443 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? The answer is that there is no good answer for most of us.Some people with autism absolutely can't stand a mask on their face. Some people with more serious breathing difficulties also can't stand having a cloth covering over their face, especially not for long periods of time.And, yeah, that's literally it.The mask was made into a political prop instead of a tool that helps us save one another's lives and livelihoods. There is no serious risk to wearing a mask. It's a bit inconvenient - a lot inconvenient if you're in a hot environment - and I wouldn't recommend doing it twenty-three and a half hours a day or anything, but thankfully nobody's doing that. That's about the worst we can say.Some people will talk about how masks are an acceptance of fear. It's bullshit.Some will tell you that wearing a mask impinges on your right to freedom. That's bullshit too. By that logic, you should legally be able to walk into a Starbucks while not wearing pants, because technically it isn't hurting anyone, but you're okay with laws that prohibit indecent exposure.Wearing a mask isn't a statement that you're a sheep, or cowed by the left, and it sure as hell isn't anti-American, anti-nationalist or anti-anything else. it's just a tool that makes it so that it's a bit harder for us to infect one another. It slows the spread, even if it's not perfect. It's annoying, but it saves lives.I'm glad that most people seem to recognize this now, even if it took us seven months and eleven hundred or so White House lies to do so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578440/#p578440 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? hey everyoneSo I read all the topic and want to ask a question i'm honestly not getting the answer to. I tried to find a solution, an explanation... but it just goes over my head.Why, for God's sake, won't you wear a mask? IT's not disturbing, not for me, at least, and it it helps you protect the ones around you. it's a think many of you here said. it helps you protect people around you. why won't you refuse to do that?I've heard many people here in my country eating bullshit out of big bowls dirrectly with theyr hands and saying oh, but see, masks actually stop the processing of oxigen by your brain and you're breathing more carbon dioxide. sorry if the name was written wrongly, chemistry and english for me don't allways work together, and other examples like,look here, i've fainted after a hour wearing the mask, cause my brain didn't have enough oxigen. Others say this influences your sad thoughts, emotions and depression.I'm staying 7 hours a day with my mask on my face while going to school and i didn't dye. I didn't suddenly start to have suicidal thoughts, hate the government or believe that all of it is just corona conspiracy.Our government here is doing as much bullshit as other governments surely do. I'm not trying to attack anybody, but what I want to say is that other countries are doing poorly too. I can't say anything so complicated about trump or the right and left party, since i'm not that well wersed in political discussions, but from what i've read here, trump did a very bad job in refusing others around him wear masks and quickly removing his mask when he went back ot the white house. What to say more about that joyride...I was also sad to see how trump insulted us people with disabilities over the years. It might not affect me dirrectly, but i'm dreaming to move from this ountry one day to another where people llike me are more respected and accepted, not left to rot. sorry if i'm derailing from the topic subject.I hope someone will clear this up for me. this question bothers me for some time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578418/#p578418 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? hey everyoneSo I read all the topic and want to ask a question i'm honestly not getting the answer to. I tried to find a solution, an explanation... but it just goes over my head.Why, for God's sake, won't you wear a mask? IT's not disturbing, not for me, at least, and it it helps you protect the ones around you. it's a think many of you here said. it helps you protect people around you. why won't you refuse to do that?I've heard many people here in my country eating bullshit out of big bowls dirrectly with theyr hands and saying oh, but see, masks actually stop the processing of oxigen by your brain and you're breathing more carbon dioxide. sorry if the name was written wrongly, chemistry and english for me don't allways work together, and other examples like,look here, i've fainted after a hour wearing the mask, cause my brain didn't have enough oxigen. Others say this influences your sad thoughts, emotions and depression.I'm staying 7 hours a day with my mask on my face while going to school and i didn't dye. I didn't suddenly start to have suicidal thoughts, hate the government or believe that all of it is just corona conspiracy.Our government here is doing as much bullshit as other governments surely do. I'm not trying to attack anybody, but what I want to say is that other countries are doing poorly too. I can't say anything so complicated about trump or the right and left party, since i'm not that well wersed in political discussions, but from what i've read here, trump did a very bad job in refusing others around him wear masks and quickly removing his mask when he went back ot the white house. What to say more about that joyride...I was also sad to see how trump insulted us people with disabilities over the years. It might not affect me dirrectly, but i'm dremaing to move from this ountry one day to another where people llike me are more respected and accepted, not left to rot. sorry if i'm derailing from the topic subject.I hope someone will clear this up for me. this question bothers me for some time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578418/#p578418 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? No he's right, the audio is bad. I tried to clean it up, but you just can't cut out that atrocious noise without affecting the rest of the audio. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578313/#p578313 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? We do new flu vaccines every year. Covid vaccine having long-term effects is highly unlikely. Possible, certainly. It's always possible. But this isn't "We're doing it too fast" currently, it's "imagine if we actually got rid of medical bureaucracy, and made the FDA efficient" fast. Vaccines aren't the sort of thing that long term effects can hide in very well. Again, it's possible. Just unlikely. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578311/#p578311 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Thank you for getting it @30. I'll piggyback on your post a bit and add that, at this point, the phrase "we're all in this together" makes me want to fucking scream. Not only because it reminds me of that awful little ditty from High School Musical, but also because that's...kind of the problem. Bar remote/undiscovered tribes, covid has touched virtually everyone in some way. Rather than drawing comfort from this, I feel I want to withdraw into myself as much as possible. I can say, yeah, my partner dealt with covid and was hospitalized for it, ultimately recovered, but I'm literally seeking therapy because the experience was traumatizing for me, and someone can be like, hahaha, cool story bro, but my kid died and I lost everything I have and an now eating out of dumpsters to survive. And why should my potential therapist even take me seriously when they can say the same thing? Why should they entertain a single solitary second of my bitching when they should be using the time spent with me to help a doctor or nurse who's probably going to shoot themselves in the head a few years from now once burnout sets in and they can actually take a step back and assess the devastation they endured day in and day out?If we're all in this together, then it's simply because the internet exists, nothing more, nothing less. Characterizing this sort of disconnect as necessary is sound, but characterizing it as a minor inconvenience, I forget the exact wording used now, but it was something like that, is just flat out wrong. You know what is currently scaring the shit out of me? The current thing that eats at me and keeps me up at night, though who can tell what it will be in a week from now? The fact that post-covid complications may very well be as deadly as, say, the effects on the so-called radium girls, or mesothelioma. We have no idea how accelerated that timeline is, we just don't know how bad or persistent the lung damage that has already been recorded in patients is, and we won't know that for possibly decades. Also, I don't believe that a vaccine is a magic bullet in this case, either. I don't buy into any of the conspiracy theories that say it will be used to microchip the public or whatever (if you wanted to do that, you'd use a far more appealing vector such as, say, an implant that would allow you to interact with a self-driving vehicle and/or smart home) but it just hasn't been tested enough if it's available at the beginning of next year, never mind coinciding with the election. You could easily have long-term effects from that which could be just as bad as covid itself. Anyway, my bet is on the fact that whatever damage it causes is on an accelerated timeline, or, at the very least, makes you more vulnerable to infections you previously fought off with little or no issue. Even if that turns out to be totally wrong, one thing that can't be disputed is that anyone who is pregnant right now is probably setting their child up for a lifetime of mental health difficulties. It's a fact that stress on the mother while a fetus is in utero can be a strong contributing factor which causes some of the more severe forms of mental illness. Also, I apologize for that wording above--I know the mother didn't choose this--I just couldn't think of any other way to put it.So, yeah. After that FEELINGSDUMP, as the kids like to say nowadays, thereby invalidating the experience that would lead to such a violent release in the first place, I don't even remember what point I was trying to make anymore. I just know that, in one way or another, I'm increasingly understanding that we're all screwed. Not because we need to wear masks or keep physical distance, but because being in this together literally means nobody is safe, and that means that the pillars of one's community or whatever other structure you favor can't even be counted upon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578298/#p578298 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Nah, keep it going! Pass the popcorn and say cheese for the camera! lol Fact is that everyone wants to throw down a bit of kindling on the fire and make it bigger. Too few are honestly interested in being warmed by the heat and carrying on a productive discussion. so what's to do? Crank up the tunes, go with the flow and let the party begin! right? right? right! I know I'm right! I'm always right!Seriously, there are people here who are trying to have a well thought out discussion concerning issues that truly mean a lot to them. There are people who's only outlet is, at present, whether you like it or not, this very forum. There are people here who come with legitimate question, seeking answers or at least alternative opinions. Lets keep the sarcasm down on this topic in the spirit of decency, shall we? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578239/#p578239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? ugh, i stopped listening at 10 seconds. Turn off that loud fan noise bro! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578229/#p578229 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? That was well put indeed! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578207/#p578207 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? so, looking at this...two big conclusions. A. Most folks do not understand why good hygiene is important, so I will put things in very simple terms (you can always click on the links I will embed to satisfy your curiosity, and or research them yourself elsewhere, of course)1. This virus has many people who do not show any symptoms even though they may be infected. A mask as said before, will prevent the spread from you, to others more vulnerable to it. Of course if you do not want to really wear them, then use them only when necessary (when talking to someone that is not that far and in closed spaces with very little to no air flow like elevators) and also physically distance yourself which is what almost 100% of the world is doing to this date. The result? these are the most effective things to minimize the impact of this virus.2. Hand washing works, but antibacterial gel does too. See, this tiny virus (and some other viruses) that you canto even feel because of how small of a dose you need to become sick is, does have a grease, a fat, oily surrounding called an envelope. If it enters with this, intact, into your body where it can nourish and grow, then it will replicate fast, you will get it. But both things, the rubbing action with soap and water (same stuff you use to get rid of fat on your pans after cooking something by the way) and rubbing your hands using ethanol which is just alcohol (which almost all hand sanitizers or antibacterial gels or whatever other marketing sales term you want to use for it have as a main ingredient) can effectively destroy this fat envelope or layer, although its not the only capable substance and the virus falls apart, so even if you have some strains left then touch your face and whatnot, it totally lost the power to reassemble and attack, and this is a crude explanation on how we are waiting for a vaccine to arrive, if one ever does. So you can think about this as the destruction of the weakest link in the chain and its also a way to slow this thing down.3. Finally, even though it would be really great to do things like eating a banana just as you would a corn on a cob its just not going to be like that, anymore. Add all of this and how virtually nothing is really, truly known about the new virus yet its better to use what has worked for more than 2000 years before we were born, which are the techniques I described above.B. Arguing. I will just keep this short and say that no matter how much ranting you do, no matter how eloquently and elegantly you put your posts, no matter how much sarcasm is into that image, video, audio, meme you just shared, no opinion will ever be changed, so stop wasting your time fighting with someone you don't personally know, about ... something that will eventually pass. I would rather see constructive, amusing things, like comedians asking why it would be really annoying to ear masks as opposed to... "stop wearing masks because this is all a secret ploy from rapist government staff to cover up their nasties blah blah blah". By telling all of us how terribly manipulative all of this is, you also fell into the trap of having been successfully manipulated, without even realizing it yourself, so congratulations. Life is too short for that kind of silliness and we can make a difference constructively, one little step at a time with smaller, less noisy or less violent chitchat or actions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577976/#p577976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? so, looking at this...two big conclusions. A. Most folks do not understand why good hygiene is important, so I will put things in very simple terms (you can always click on the links I will embed to satisfy your curiosity, and or research them yourself elsewhere, of course)1. This virus has many people who do not show any symptoms even though they may be infected. A mask as said before, will prevent the spread from you, to others more vulnerable to it. Of course if you do not want to really wear them, then use them only when necessary (when talking to someone that is not that far and in closed spaces with very little to no air flow like elevators) and also physically distance yourself which is what almost 100% of the world is doing to this date. The result? these are the most effective things to minimize the impact of this virus.2. Hand washing works, but antibacterial gel does too. See, this tiny virus (and some other viruses) that you canto even feel because of how small of a dose you need to become sick is, does have a grease, a fat, oily surrounding called an envelope. If it enters with this, intact, into your body where it can nourish and grow, then it will replicate fast, you will get it. But both things, the rubbing action with soap and water (same stuff you use to get rid of fat on your pans after cooking something by the way) and rubbing your hands using ethanol which is just alcohol (which almost all hand sanitizers or antibacterial gels or whatever other marketing sales term you want to use for it have as a main ingredient) can effectively destroy this fat envelope or layer, although its not the only capable substance and the virus falls apart, so even if you have some strains left then touch your face and whatnot, it totally lost the power to reassemble and attack, and this is a crude explanation on how we are waiting for a vaccine to arrive, if one ever does. So you can think about this as the destruction of the weakest link in the chain and its also a way to slow this thing down.3. Finally, even though it would be really great to do things like eating a banana just as you would a corn on a cob its just not going to be like that, anymore. Add all of this and how virtually nothing is really, truly known about the new virus yet its better to use what has worked for more than 2000 years before we were born, which are the techniques I described above.B. Arguing. I will just keep this short and say that no matter how much ranting you do, no matter how eloquently and elegantly you put your posts, no matter how much sarcasm is into that image, video, audio, meme you just shared, no opinion will ever be changed, so stop wasting your time fighting with someone you don't personally know, about ... something that will eventually pass. I would rather see constructive, amusing things, like comedians asking why it would be really annoying to ear masks as opposed to... "stop wearing masks because this is all a secret ploy from rapist government staff to cover up their nasties blah blah blah". Life is too short for that kind of silliness and we can make a difference constructively, one little step at a time with smaller, less noisy or less violent chitchat or actions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577976/#p577976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? so, looking at this...two big conclusions. A. Most folks do not understand why good hygiene is important, so I will put things in very simple terms (you can always click on the links I will embed to satisfy your curiosity, and or research them yourself elsewhere, of course)1. This virus has many people who do not show any symptoms even though they may be infected. A mask as said before, will prevent the spread from you, to others more vulnerable to it. Of course if you do not want to really wear them, then use them only when necessary (when talking to someone that is not that far and in closed spaces with very little to no air flow like elevators) and also physically distance yourself which is what almost 100% of the world is doing to this date. The result? these are the most effective things to minimize the impact of this virus.2. Hand washing works, but antibacterial gel does too. See, this tiny virus (and some other viruses) that you canto even feel because of how small of a dose you need to become sick is, does have a grease, a fat, oily surrounding called an envelope. If it enters with this, intact, into your body where it can nourish and grow, then it will replicate fast, you will get it. But both things, the rubbing action with soap and water (same stuff you use to get rid of fat on your pans after cooking something by the way) and rubbing your hands using ethanol which is just alcohol (which almost all hand sanitizers or antibacterial gels or whatever other marketing sales term you want to use for it have as a main ingredient) effectively destroy that fat container and the virus falls apart, so even if you have some strains left then touch your face and whatnot, it totally lost the power to reassemble and attack, and this is a crude explanation on how we are waiting for a vaccine to arrive, if one ever does. So you can think about this as the destruction of the weakest link in the chain and its also a way to slow this thing down.3. Finally, even though it would be really great to do things like eating a banana just as you would a corn on a cob its just not going to be like that, anymore. Add all of this and how virtually nothing is really, truly known about the new virus yet its better to use what has worked for more than 2000 years before we were born, which are the techniques I described above.B. Arguing. I will just keep this short and say that no matter how much ranting you do, no matter how eloquently and elegantly you put your posts, no matter how much sarcasm is into that image, video, audio, meme you just shared, no opinion will ever be changed, so stop wasting your time fighting with someone you don't personally know, about ... something that will eventually pass. I would rather see constructive, amusing things, like comedians asking why it would be really annoying to ear masks as opposed to... "stop wearing masks because this is all a secret ploy from rapist government staff to cover up their nasties blah blah blah". Life is too short for that kind of silliness and we can make a difference constructively, one little step at a time with smaller, less noisy or less violent chitchat or actions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577976/#p577976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @ironcross32Because you aren't always a peace of shit, and you seem to mostly calm down for months at a time. Even when you're doing this kind of thing, you still aren't that bad in other areas.I was just hoping it would stick this time I guess... But it only took until the next disaster to set you off again.Allot of other people I've spoken to think this way about you as well. You make good points, you help people sometimes, and you can be funny and good to talk to. But then you get all bitter and pissed off at everything again, and it all goes out the window... It's just hard to not treat you like a reasonable person when you're being reasonable, just encase you randomly change moods again, and you don't make it any easier by coming back again and again and saying you're doing better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577962/#p577962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Uh. @1. We had the politics topic to contain the bickering of both sides. You should've just posted it there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577959/#p577959 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Well it's a good thing that "I think not" is a phrase overflowing with wit, depth, proof, evidence and rhetoric, isn't it? A more well-prepared response from you I've rarely seen.At this point, you are the moral equivalent of the dude who believes that dinosaurs didn't exist...except quite a bit worse. All the evidence is against you, but you're just gonna go on believing whatever suits your worldview because you can't stand to be wrong. The only difference between you and dinosaur-denier over there is this. Dinosaur deniers may be deluded fools, but their beliefs generally don't hurt people, and their related choices rarely cause harm. On the other hand, you're going to make a choice which makes you complicit in the oppression of your countrymen and the destruction of democracy in America. You are metaphorically setting fire to everything you claim to stand for, except this nebulous idea of freedom for its own sake, and you're too blinded by party loyalty to see it. You aren't just going to stand aside. You're actually going to support this. You claimed yourself that you're a piece of shit (not a personal attack, I'm turning your own words back on you), so you're deciding that if you're going to be a piece of shit, you're going to do your god-given duty and inflict that on others as well. I cannot express to you the level of selfishness this represents.And people think you have a voice in this community worth listening to when it comes to anything political?Yeah, I think not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577958/#p577958 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? yeah... I think not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577953/#p577953 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? It is, yeah. You're being lied to, daily, by a man who has been failing to represent your best interests ever since he got into office. You're deluding yourself into believing that a man who supports white supremacy, disagrees with science, and wants to suppress the vote by whichever means he can, a man who is doing everything he's able to throw sand in the gears of the American electoral process, somehow has a plan worth hearing, somehow has the qualities requisite to run a country. Your democracy is being slowly and gleefully burned at the stake. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty wrong.You're dying in the hundreds of thousands because someone who knew the virus was real lied to you about it, tried to represent it as a hoax, and set a bad example by refusing to take precautions. He galvanized you into complacency, and that complacency is ruining families, killing jobs, tanking the economy and eroding infrastructure. I'd say that's pretty wrong.Your trustworthiness as a nation is dropping by the day. Most countries who don't laugh in your face laugh at you behind your back, and it's almost all because of the man in the oval office and the sixty million or so cultists who have been brainwashed into following him. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty wrong.So congratulations, Ironcross. We agree on something. What's being done to you - the systematic erosion of your faith and trust as a country in your government and electoral system, the removal of your safety, the constant lies and fear and mistrust and political games- are wrong on so many levels I can scarcely credit it. Lest you think that I, as a leftist, am pleased by any of this, I'm not. There are two hundred and eighty-something million Americans who don't deserve a shred of the shit-show they're getting, but they're still going to drown in it. Your country is busting apart at the seams, and virtually nobody deserves that. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about this is that I feel like I'm watching your country turn itself inside out and commit virtual suicide as a nation and an ideology, all at the say-so of a boom-or-bust con-man who has no business running a casino, much less a country. I think what's being done to you and your countrymen is an unprecedented travesty, and I am sickened to my core every day that I watch it happen. When I urge folks to vote Biden, it's because I am convinced that without someone who isn't Trump, America is going to straight-up self-destruct; in fact, I wonder if the inevitable process has already begun. And look. I want capitalism and big untouchable corporations gone, I do, but I don't want three hundred million innocent or mostly innocent people to lose all their rights and fall in line with a dictatorial cult-leader in order for that ball to start rolling. That cost is too high. The fact that you consider it not only worth paying, but are actively in support of it, only validates what you said about yourself not so very long ago. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577949/#p577949 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? AssaultFreak, I hear you re: politicians that don't to a whole lot to alleviate suffering. Just to draw a line in the sand though: leftist politicians want to improve 5g infrastructure and the internet at large so that people who are on lockdown at home can still talk with mental health professionals. We are pushing things like crisis lines and the further training of more social workers to deal with things like domestic violence and substance abuse. We are trying to get a universal basic income so that absolutely nobody has to worry about starving. We have tried to make it so that landlords can't evict you due to Covid, and we're trying to make it so that homeless people are given support instead of being driven out of temporary encampments. We're trying to do all the things that would make the "little bit of unpleasantness" a bit more tolerable. This is generally what leftists do. We see the social inequity and imbalance, and we want to fix it.In a political sense, I've read Joe Biden's political platform, and he claims he wants to do many of these things. Now, Joe's a centrist; he won't go anywhere near as far to the left as I'd like, and most Americans counter-intuitively don't want him to anyway. I do find that suspect, by the way; most Americans are terrified of leftist ideology, but when leftists want to fix the systems that are causing so much misery in the first place, they're dunked on and mocked and generally dismissed. This is why we don't have much power. It's not because communism, according to "the big black book of communism" killed a hundred million people. It's not because socialism actually threatens the democratic process or any freedom worth a damn. It's because Americans think socialism, communism, Stalin, Hitler, Nazis, all in the same breath, basically. It's so reflexive that it's very hard to fight against.Tl.dr: Seriously, the leftists want to make this better for everyone by improving infrastructure to prioritize safety, ease of access, accessibility and availability over profits. If you want to blame any group for not getting shit done, blame the right. Also blame the centrists, who want to try and keep friends on both sides of the aisle and thus end up dancing far more than they should.The reality is simple. Joe Biden isn't going to fix everything. But the 65% or 40% or 5% he fixes will be greater than the 0% Trump fixes. It will, in point of fact, be greater than the 5% or 30% or 75% Trump ruins. His track record ought to speak for itself.My stance has always been, and will always be, this:When you're out hoing your garden, playing in the backyard with your children, or walking down the street to get your mail, by all means don't wear a mask if you don't want to. Maybe wash your hands when you go back inside, but don't freak out. There's no need to be terrified.But if you want to go pick up a pizza, wear a mask. If you're going into a supermarket to get groceries, wear a mask. If you're taking a nine-mile cab ride for a doctor's appointment, just wear your mask. It keeps other people safe, because you cannot be sure you aren't spreading the virus. A little caution - and that's what this is, caution, not fear - goes a long, long way. It's annoying as hell, but you can still earn a living in most cases, can still endure large freedoms, as long as you are willing to make a couple of small concessions. One of them is wearing a face covering of some kind.Oh, BTW, I firmly agree that better testing and contact tracing are absolutely essential in managing the spread and knowing who's sick and who's not, which areas are hot and which aren't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577946/#p577946 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? What's being done to us is wrong on any level really. But people are so scared that they refuse to see it. With no end in sight, it's a heavy fucking ask for people to just find a way to cope. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577947/#p577947 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? I will just come in to say that I think, from this thread and the others related to it, it sounds like both sides are just not willing to listen. Both are firmly convinced they're right and unwilling to listen unless they can be convinced otherwise with what they see as solid proof. Except there is no such thing as good enough proof to get past peoples' biases. Masks will never not be contraversial in the west, and like many others have said in other places off this forum, masks are now part of political ideology. Thank God for countries in Asia where mask culture is normal.. do I think they're overused? Yes. I wear masks as sparingly as I can, but I'm not an anti-masker. If it makes people comfortable, good for them. I think that the cleanliness and contact tracing exercised so well in Asia are much greater contributing factors to why their numbers are so low, compared to here. All I'm saying is that people should keep their masks debates and political debates separate...@Jade in post 28. I get what you're saying. But honestly, after six months, the "a litle unpleasantness is going to be worth it later" is likely why people left leaning get so much flack, specifically government officials who keep saying that like it's some sort of mantra. Yes, I get what their point is. But the problem? Noone is actually addressing the unpleasantness! Very, very few officials I know of have actually been vulnerable with the populus and acknowledged how hard it is in a way that isn't flowery political speak. I was ok with it for the first few months when things were seriously dire. But the same repetitions of "just be cool, be calm and be safe and it'll all get better eventually. We don't know when, but trust us!" after six months is just as bad as the person who is confided in by a friend who's just lost everything and says "that's ok. You'll bounce back. It sucks that you've lost everything but the best is yet to come. This will help you become a better person!" And if you ask me? This is why a lot of right leaning people get fed up. I'm not right leaning by any means, I'd say I'm fairly centrist in my views depending on the subject. But people will gravitate towards those who acknowledge how shitty things are rather than people who just tell them to suck it up and move on. But I am not politically wel studied or an expert in anything, so these are just my speculation and observations I've made. So take it with the amount of salt needed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577939/#p577939 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? 4 people tested pozativ for karona in my school alone so like. lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577935/#p577935 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Blue-Eyed Demon, I don't care how the media wants me to perceive someone. I take my cues from what people say and do, not from the media telling me what to think.When I hear that Trump denies knowing who Proud Boys were, I question it. I question it because the very night of the debate, Christopher Wallace named white supremacists and Proud Boys as partially responsible for the violence in America. I question it, as well, because Trump has a history of claiming he doesn't know someone when admitting that he does know them would get him into trouble. It's a classical distancing technique, and I have seen evidence that he has used this policy liberally. Trump said he'd condemn any group if asked; Wallace asked; Trump told them to "stand back and stand by". That's...not a condemnation. And I didn't need the media to tell me what to think. I came to the conclusion that Trump is in some way backing white supremacist groups, ostensibly because they're helping and supporting him.When Trump came down with Covid-19, I admit I had my doubts, but mostly I believed it. As a quick aside, it makes me sad that a party lies so often and so regularly that it's no longer possible to take them at face value when they make such a statement. Anyway, Trump knows by now that close proximity is one of the things to avoid if you're contagious. He knows that wearing a mask is something to do if you're contagious, so that you don't spread the virus as easily to other people. So what did he do? He went on a joyride to showboat for his supporters on Sunday, endangering the lives of everyone else in the car with him, and when he got back to the White House last night, he took off his mask almost immediately before posing for a photoshoot. Again, I don't need the media to tell me how to think. I'm perfectly capable of connecting the dots, and so are you.You keep trying to claim that maybe Trump knows stuff we don't, or has some sort of master plan. That desperate scrabbling sound is being made by the tips of your fingers as they prospect around the very bottom of the barrel.And let me end by demolishing another of your silly arguments.You claim that you can't support the group who "has something to gain" from all of this. Uh, dude? I don't know how to tell you this, but when two hundred and ten thousand Americans die, nobody wins. Regardless of how many deaths could have or should have been avoided - which is another discussion entirely - we are all, across the world, in this together. Mental health concerns are on the rise, and divorce numbers have risen slightly as well. Children doing school from home are missing out on valuable socialization. It's frustrating, sometimes maddening, sometimes scary to be trapped in your own home. If you think anyone, anyone at all, actively -wants this to happen, you are kidding yourself and I don't buy it for a hot second. Nobody wants this. The difference between the group you back and the one I favour is this. The group I favour wants to support and keep people safe; some unpleasantness now works out for everyone later. The group you back wants to lie, cheat, bully and intimidate their way into four more years of health system cuts, rights repeals, big-business interests, and totalitarian rule. The group I support has a straight-up plan to fix things. The group you support claims that the only news that's real, the only facts that are real, are the ones which support their agenda. And guess what? All your supposed research and study with "very smart people" means nothing. They converted you from a free-thinking individual with a conscience into someone who will support apologism for a dictator. Congratulations. Where does that so-called education actually get you?Oh, and one last quick point. I do happen to know some truckers who have gotten sick. But I can see your education and big brain working really hard for you in the way that you denigrate the profession with sweeping strokes about their hygiene and such. Way to show an even-handed look at the situation, bro. One of my family members happens to be a trucker, and I think I'll take his word over yours, thanks. He, after all, does the job. He is one link in a series of chains that keeps infrastructure running. He's on the road five days a week, delivering loads and picking them up. He's told me how security has improved. He tells me how hard it is to get sick when you rarely do more than stop, grab take-out food, and eat it in your truck. He tells me how he and most of the truckers he knows will willingly wear a mask any time they enter a building, and do their best to keep the inside of their truck cabs reasonably clean. So...yeah. My trucker family member is no friend of leftists, but I think I'll take his word over yours. URL: https://forum.audiog
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @25: Look, as I said before, maybe Trump is crazy for the fact that he took off his mask when he did. Maybe he is a raging psychopath. Maybe he kills puppies!!! No one knows. But so many people are so quick to just outright say he is wrong and that he knows nothing. Maybe he doesn't, but maybe he knows more than any of us. Look, I am not an outright supporter of Trump. I think he can be quite the clown at times, so don't get me mistaken there. But honestly, the democrats have pushed so hard to make americans think that he is more stupid than a box of rocks, which could be the truth, or it could be an entire well of lies. The last thing I will say, is that most of you seem to be completely willing to listen to the people and the side of this whole thing that has something to gain from it all. That is easily one of the most dangerous things you could ever do.And to those that think I don't do research, just because I don't put links in my posts or whatever it is, you guys really need to rethink your perception on things. Just because I don't put a link does not mean I don't do research. In fact, everything I have said here has been from time used to figure things out, through research, and through discussions with other, very smart, very logical people. I have taken time to gather things together. And I won't lie, for a long time I didn't really do a lot of research or do a lot of that stuff and really didn't know what side to be on. I honestly started to fall towards the side that the democrats were right. However, through research and through discussion, I have been able to clearly choose a side. And when I choose a side I stick to it no matter what. As angry as things have gotten in this forum, I have enjoyed debating with you all, and now only time will tell on who is right and who is wrong. But for now I say farewell to this thread. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577926/#p577926 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @22 I have no earthly idea what you're even talking about, though your maunderings are often amusing. You know exactly what I am. I'm no fallen angel seeking redemption, I'm a piece of shit, I've always been a piece of shit and I will always be a piece of shit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577924/#p577924 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Blue-Eyed Demon, it's on you to prove that Trump had a good reason for doing what he did. I feel like I'm repeating myself...but that's because I am. I asked this before, and you gleefully raced off in a new direction.I can't believe I'm having to say this, but things like gun violence, car accidents and other ways that people die in greater numbers than Covid-19 are...well, bro, they're not contagious. I've never gotten someone to get into a car accident by touching a surface and contaminating it with car-accident germs after I was in a minor fender-bender.The reasonpeople are flipping about Covid-19 is because it's fucking contagious. Do you seriously want to go on making arguments in bad faith? If so, I'll seriously go on stomping them.You can't claim agenda as the exclusive property of the left when you clearly have one yourself, by the way. It's clear you're right of center, and will imply and suggest anything in order to make the left look bad, even in the absence of credible evidence.Joe Biden has claimed that the corona vaccine will be "free for all Americans". That's a pretty unambiguous statement. Now, you can disbelieve that if you want to I suppose, but on what basis do you disbelieve?Also, do you think Trump is going to somehow force big pharma to give out a vaccine for free? If anyone is going to do what you're claiming the left will do, it's actually Trump. It's Trump who cares more about big business, after all. It's Trump who's trying to strip protections from people with pre-existing conditions (yeah, Covid's going to count for many of those people). It's Trump who is trying to kill the Affordable Care Act. This will make it harder and, in the end, more expensive for your average American to access health care they can afford. But the dude who paid no taxes in ten of the last fifteen years says that's okay. Just think about this.In all honesty, it is possible that whoever's in power, they'll let big pharma start gouging consumers. Okay, sure. So why exactly are you criticizing the left for this problem when absolutely anyone might fall afoul of it?See, your arguments sound cogent when all one does is gulp...but the problem is, I taste what I chew, metaphorically speaking. When I taste a lie, I call it for what it is. What I see here aren't necessarily lies, but they're clearly questions meant to prove that the left is somehow complicit in all this, when there is absolutely no evidence of it. You have a ton to prove, and no way to do it.Folks, my advice here is to just dismiss this the way we did to Accman at his worst.P.s.: Overuse of hand sanitizer can be a bad thing. No argument there. But modest use of hand sanitizer is actually especially effective against coronaviruses of all kinds because of the way they're built. Look it up. I don't overuse hand sanitizer, myself; I just don't let many people in my home, and I wash my hands regularly (not obsessively). I wear masks in public places because it's the right thing to do, and keeps everybody safe.Also, about masks, a point Liam made is a good one. Trump's real shame here isn't so much his -catching the virus. His shame is that he had it and knew about it and deliberately chose over and over to endanger those around him, while lying about it to the public. Trump is on the hook more for endangering other people than for catching the virus himself. But then, with two hundred and ten thousand dead, we should've already known that... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577921/#p577921 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Blue-Eyed Demon, it's on you to prove that Trump had a good reason for doing what I did. I feel like I'm repeating myself...but that's because I am. I asked this before, and you gleefully raced off in a new direction.I can't believe I'm having to say this, but things like gun violence, car accidents and other ways that people die in greater numbers than Covid-19 are...well, bro, they're not contagious. I've never gotten someone to get into a car accident by touching a surface and contaminating it with car-accident germs after I was in a minor fender-bender.The reasonpeople are flipping about Covid-19 is because it's fucking contagious. Do you seriously want to go on making arguments in bad faith? If so, I'll seriously go on stomping them.You can't claim agenda as the exclusive property of the left when you clearly have one yourself, by the way. It's clear you're right of center, and will imply and suggest anything in order to make the left look bad, even in the absence of credible evidence.Joe Biden has claimed that the corona vaccine will be "free for all Americans". That's a pretty unambiguous statement. Now, you can disbelieve that if you want to I suppose, but on what basis do you disbelieve?Also, do you think Trump is going to somehow force big pharma to give out a vaccine for free? If anyone is going to do what you're claiming the left will do, it's actually Trump. It's Trump who cares more about big business, after all. It's Trump who's trying to strip protections from people with pre-existing conditions (yeah, Covid's going to count for many of those people). It's Trump who is trying to kill the Affordable Care Act. This will make it harder and, in the end, more expensive for your average American to access health care they can afford. But the dude who paid no taxes in ten of the last fifteen years says that's okay. Just think about this.In all honesty, it is possible that whoever's in power, they'll let big pharma start gouging consumers. Okay, sure. So why exactly are you criticizing the left for this problem when absolutely anyone might fall afoul of it?See, your arguments sound cogent when all one does is gulp...but the problem is, I taste what I chew, metaphorically speaking. When I taste a lie, I call it for what it is. What I see here aren't necessarily lies, but they're clearly questions meant to prove that the left is somehow complicit in all this, when there is absolutely no evidence of it. You have a ton to prove, and no way to do it.Folks, my advice here is to just dismiss this the way we did to Accman at his worst.P.s.: Overuse of hand sanitizer can be a bad thing. No argument there. But modest use of hand sanitizer is actually especially effective against coronaviruses of all kinds because of the way they're built. Look it up. I don't overuse hand sanitizer, myself; I just don't let many people in my home, and I wash my hands regularly (not obsessively). I wear masks in public places because it's the right thing to do, and keeps everybody safe.Also, about masks, a point Liam made is a good one. Trump's real shame here isn't so much his -catching the virus. His shame is that he had it and knew about it and deliberately chose over and over to endanger those around him, while lying about it to the public. Trump is on the hook more for endangering other people than for catching the virus himself. But then, with two hundred and ten thousand dead, we should've already known that... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577921/#p577921 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? People are so pissed on both sides. And this is all because...because people said wear masks? I just don't understand. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577919/#p577919 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Ok so, eliminating those bacteria is really a minor thig. If it wern't, we would be seeing major issues with everyone using sanatizer. But even if it wasn't in the longterm, the benefits of the sanatizer outway dessimating a tiny portion of your bacteria colonies. Look at it this way, antibiotics kill all bacteria, at least alot of them, and are also toxic to the body to some extent, especially certain organs. But we still use them for life threatening infections.Why? Because the infection is a much greater threat than killing off all the bacteria, which grow back anyway. You seriously should get some extremely basic education before you go spouting out shit you read on the internet as it were gospil. Some critical thinking and reading and writing, and research classes wouldn't do any harm iether. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577920/#p577920 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @ironcross32This isn't even about your points, some of them were pretty good.But you're starting to sound like the crazy old guy who sits on street corners screaming, or the 30 something living in his parent's basement ranting about the shadow government on YOutube.I don't know how you let this happen to you, given that you already know how susceptible you are to spiraling into paranoia and anger like this, but it sucks to see.The way you constantly spout buzzwords and completely discount what others are saying makes it sound like you are directly parroting alarmist conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones. This isn't you man... Even at your worst it wasn't so bad before.It's like you've allowed all your problems in life to condense into this one point (liberals) and now you just keep obsessing over this me VS them outlook because you've run out of ideas on how to improve your situation and this is all you've got left.I don't understand how you can't see that if you truly believe all these things, you'd be much more effective at convincing others of the truth if you didn't sound like a raging lunatic while doing it and could at least act like you were considering the counterpoints.What a fucking shame that someone with a mind like you has been reduced to this. It's a pointless waste of talent.Pretend you don't care if you want, but I don't buy it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577917/#p577917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @ironcross32This isn't even about your points, some of them were pretty good.But you're starting to sound like the crazy old guy who sits on street corners screaming, or the 30 something living in his parent's basement ranting about the shadow government on YOutube.I don't know how you let this happen to you, given that you already know how susceptible you are to spiraling into paranoia and anger like this, but it sucks to see.The way you constantly spout buzzwords makes it sound like you are directly parroting alarmist conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones. This isn't you man... Even at your worst it wasn't so bad before.It's like you've allowed all your problems in life to condense into this one point (liberals) and now you just keep obsessing over this me VS them outlook because you've run out of ideas on how to improve your situation and this is all you've got left.I don't understand how you can't see that if you truly believe all these things, you'd be much more effective at convincing others of the truth if you didn't sound like a raging lunatic while doing it and could at least act like you were considering the counterpoints.What a fucking shame that someone with a mind like you has been reduced to this. It's a pointless waste of talent.Pretend you don't care if you want, but I don't buy it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577917/#p577917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @ironcross32This isn't even about your points, some of them were pretty good.But you're starting to sound like the crazy old guy who sits on street corners screaming, or the 30 something living in his parent's basement ranting about the shadow government on YOutube.I don't know how you let this happen to you, given that you already know how susceptible you are to spiraling into paranoia and anger like this, but it sucks to see.The way you constantly spout buzzwords makes it sound like you are directly parroting alarmist conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones. This isn't you man... Even at your worst it wasn't so bad before.It's like you've allowed all your problems in life to condense into this one point (liberals) and now you just keep obsessing over this me VS them outlook because you've run out of ideas on how to improve your situation.I don't understand how you can't see that if you truly believe all these things, you'd be much more effective at convincing others of the truth if you didn't sound like a raging lunatic while doing it and could at least act like you were considering the counterpoints.What a fucking shame that someone with a mind like you has been reduced to this. It's a pointless waste of tallent. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577917/#p577917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @19/20.https://www.verizonconnect.com/resource … ng-impact/https://www.netradyne.com/trucking-covid-19/https://www.natlawreview.com/article/co … g-industryFalse assumptions and assertions will never make you a favorable winner, anymore than sounding like you've got it all together truly makes you intelligent. Research, if you will. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577914/#p577914 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Another thing. @17 and @18: Yes. I am not saying that we shouldn't be washing our hands or anything like that. We should not just become cave men and live in the filth. I agree that there does need to be balance. But what we are being told to do and what we are doing right now is so out of balance that it is scary. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577908/#p577908 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Alright I will extend my case even further. Let's take a little look at an industry that should be getting absolutely mauled to death but has been surviving with few problems. Well, few directly regarding this discussion. . That industry is the trucking industry. The trucking industry is a moving industry. It is both an isolated, yet interactive industry, and it moves across the continent every single day. There is a warehouse that I will use as an example for this. They receive loads from the northeast, the south, from Canada, and from Mexico. These drivers come hundreds if not thousands of miles to this warehouse to drop off their loads. They are stopping at truck stops, they are stopping at the warehouse and interacting with the workers at the warehouse and the other drivers on a daily basis. They interact with so many people just to complete their jobs. When they get to the warehouse, they all use the same pen, and the same clipboard and the same form to sign in. Now, none of the guards, workers, or drivers who drop off there have gotten ill. Now, to add to this, I want you to understand, as a general whole, truck drivers are known to be unhealthy, loosely hygienic, and sometimes not to bright individuals. That doesn't mean everyone of course, but that is the general consensus, even from others in the industry. So, with all of this in mind, why haven't truck drivers depleted in numbers like crazy? Why haven't they been dropping like flies? In fact, since all of this started, there have been too many drivers compared to the number of loads being sent out. If you are still not starting to make the connection, then I am sorry, but you really just don't understand this whole thing logically. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577905/#p577905 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Of course you need bacteria on your hands. We know now that our bodies are made up of an entire colony of all sorts of life forms that we collectively call our microbiome. Again, it's all in finding the right balance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577904/#p577904 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Well here is the thing. You don't need all those bacteria on your hands. Your skin etc, gut, mouth will have billions, and sanatizing to reduce the chance of covid-19 is worth any risk, unles you have alergic reactions to certain types of cleaner like I did, and then you use soap. But you should absolutely be using something, and I find it repulsive and disgusting that people actually run out of the bathroom without washing their hands. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577901/#p577901 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Look, I will not disagree with you on the point that media does sometimes feed off of fear for ratings. I will not, however, pat you on the back for not putting on your mask and allowing people to be infected. Ah but I can't force you. I can't make you put on a mask so I tell ya what. Don't bother. You heard me, don't wear a mask and see what comes of it. As far as Trump joyriding he wanted to meet his supporters. Yes, that's what it's all about! Shaking hands, sneezing in faces, all of that to show them how he feels about his supporters! Still think he cares about the people? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577899/#p577899 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Right, because murder and car accidents are never shown on the news. The media never used those things pre-pandemic to boost their ratings. Even now, it's not 24-7 covid coverage. People were told to be mindful of how much media, social and otherwise, they consume for as long as always-on news coverage existed, most likely. So yeah, that argument is pretty dumb.As for sanitizing everything, I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The fact that we needed a global pandemic to remind us to wash our hands frequently and not cough out in the open is ridiculous. I guess a case could be made against using hand sanitizer to excess if covid was a bacterial infection, or hell, if a more deadly bacterial infection was the culprit behind all this destruction. But it isn't, and antibiotic resistance was a thing long before this, mainly due to doctors over-prescribing them to people who think they know everything because they looked their symptoms up on Web MD. Even if hand sanitizer ultimately does cause some form of that eventually, you kinda have to pick your poison here and decide which is worse.Edit:@13, you do bring up a good point in that if people have obsessive-compulsive tendencies before the pandemic, they've got to be magnified a billion fold by now, and that's not cool. But what can really be done about it? If people use it 50 times a day, that's a sign they need therapy, not a dose of common sense. But yeah, I honestly get your point, the media did a pretty good job on its own of fucking everyone on a more insidious level than the virus itself ever will. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577895/#p577895 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Right, because murder and car accidents are never shown on the news. The media never used those things pre-pandemic to boost their ratings. Even now, it's not 24-7 covid coverage. People were told to be mindful of how much media, social and otherwise, they consume for as long as always-on news coverage existed, most likely. So yeah, that argument is pretty dumb.As for sanitizing everything, I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The fact that we needed a global pandemic to remind us to wash our hands frequently and not cough out in the open is ridiculous. I guess a case could be made against using hand sanitizer to excess if covid was a bacterial infection, or hell, if a more deadly bacterial infection was the culprit behind all this destruction. But it isn't, and antibiotic resistance was a thing long before this, mainly due to doctors over-prescribing them to people who think they know everything because they looked their symptoms up on Web MD. Even if hand sanitizer ultimately does cause some form of that eventually, you kinda have to pick your poison here and decide which is worse. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577895/#p577895 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @jack:Don't you think there might have been a reason Trump did that besides being an absolute idiot? Are we seriously to the point where we can't even come up with the idea that he might actually have a good reason for it? Maybe he did just do it for the fun of it sure. But y'all don't even think about the possibility that there might be a good reason for it.And to go more into the sanitization part that I spoke about before, it is actually quite simple logic if you even understand that stuff a tiny tiny little bit. So let's do the math shall we and also get into a little biology along the way. Sanitizer, disinfectant, and cleaners all kill germs. Yes indeed they do. They destroy germs and bacteria at a very high rate these days. However, that being said, they do not discriminate against good or bad germs and bacteria. They kill both all the same. That is because the main goal of these cleaners and such is to purely, kill germs and bacteria. They do not aim for a specific type. Good, bad, they are all the same. They all die. That is danger part 1. We need the good bacteria to stay healthy. Because yeah, believe it or not there is bacteria that is good for us and healthy for us. Secondly, by using so much of these different disinfectants and sanitizers, we are allowing even the simplest of germs to start building immunity to them, just like how a virus can build immunity to a certain antibiotic over time. Once these germs can become immune to these cleaners, they can then mutate further, becoming a disease/virus that will blow covid-19 out of the water and make it look like it was just a mere case of the sniffles. Thirdly, by using these chemicals to "keep us safe", we are not allowing our immune systems to do what they were created to do... fight illnesses. We are not allowing our immune systems to fight anything because we are keeping germs away at every twist and turn because we are so petrified about corona. This will cause our immune systems to weaken collectively, more and more the longer this whole situation continues on for, and then that raises peoples' chances of illness and death considerably because now, their bodies cannot fight disease. And I don't want you to think that this is new information that is just coming out. This has been known for a long time now, and yet people just casually ignore it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577889/#p577889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Sanitization, for what purpose. See, I miss when doctors didn't roll over and show their bellies. I miss the days when doctors were real. Medicine is now for the short circuited left with overactive empathy and overactive hate. We shouldn't be using hand sanitizer every day. It's antibacterial, got that, anti... bacterial, not antiviral. Further, using antibacterials like they're going out of style is just going to bring the superbug closer than ever before. Hell, They've been talking about this for 30 years or so now, they've seen it coming and because people give into their fears and wash hands 50 times a day with antibacterial sanitizer, we're bringing this on ourselves. Use fucking soap and water like someone who hasn't lost their head to the leftist fear mongering hate filled agenda.We can't live our lives in a clean room either. That's going to lead to anything, bacterial or viral just kicking our asses. Guess what, the world is dirty, and we can find a balance between reasonably clean and not compulsively overdoing it.We're being destroyed by something far more dangerous than Covid-19, we're being destroyed by the leftist cancer. It's spreading and people are buying into the bullshit hook line and sinker. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577884/#p577884 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @BlueEyed Demonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMZyZOb … kAXVkhsAju URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577881/#p577881 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? @Blue-Eyed Demon: And yet. No links? Not one? I see how it is.Yes, it is true that countless people die every day. But car accidents and the like are inevitable and as long as there are cars and idiots behind the wheel, that will always be something to contend with, sadly. Even autonimous cars won't fully eradicate them, even if they made human driving illegal (they obviously won't). Where you lose me is in putting the virus in the same camp as inevitable causes of death.Yes, it is true that the drug companies are trying to make easy cash off of this, but do you see the republicans trying to stop that? No.Also, how can endless sanitation possibly lead to our end. It feels endless to you because, I don't know, maybe you haven't been sanitising enough. I don't have to tell you how many people, both pre-pandemic and now, walk out of the bathroom without even washing their hands. So to them it may feel endless, but for the rest of us it's completely normal.Furthermore, how could there be a good reason for Trump doing what he did, freaking joyriding outside the hospital, turning Walter Read into a freaking reality tv set. Why aen't the doctors and nurses who wheeled him out of that hospital, so much as disconnected him from the monitors, losing their licenses. What about those secret service people he flung into the sealed car for a joy ride. And all for a photo-op? For ratings? Taking off his mask outside the whitehouse right when there's a Covid outbreak in their midst? That's not strong. That is not overcoming the virus. It's a fucking cowardly coverup, and there's no two ways about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577872/#p577872 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? How many people die from car accidents every day? How many people die from murder every day? How many people die from simple little things every day. The answer is countless. Countless numbers of people have died from those things on a daily basis? Do those things get put on the daily news? No. Never. If you did that, people would be scared to get into their cars. If you did that, people would be afraid to even step out of their houses due to the fear of death. Not to mention, we don't even know how many of those positive covid counts or the death numbers are actually accurate. Actually we do, and the answer is, no, no they are not. The tests themselves are so unreliable it is almost dizzying. The numbers have been fudged and changed over and over and over again. They keep telling us to endlessly sanitize. They keep telling us to disinfect until all of the germs are gone. Well news flash people, that is going to end up being our deaths down the line and you don't even realize it. This stuff is not hard to figure out. It's just that no one actually takes the time to do so. And one last thing to keep in mind. At the end of the day, who does all of this favor? The medical field and the democratic party. How you may ask? Well let me tell you. Right now they are testing drugs to help fight the virus. They are creating a vaccine to help fight the virus. And when these things are released, the medical field is going to make billions of dollars off of it. The scientists are going to make billions of dollars off of these things. The medical field is not made to heal people. It is a business just like any other. At the end of the day the goal is to make money. "But the vaccine is going to be free." Yeah, maybe at first. But in what world do you honestly think that is going to be permanent. Easy answer, it's not going to be. They will eventually start charging for it. Because it will make them money. Now how does this all link to the democratic party you may ask. Well, think about it. What is the main goal of the democratic party in terms of healthcare? In most cases, it is universal healthcare. They want everyone to be under the same healthcare system. Why? To make sure everyone is covered? Sure, as a cover story. They want control over the peoples' money. Eventually they will start to raise rates so they can gain money and gain control. And guess what, they have everyone in the palm of their hand. If you have never heard of the great reset, I suggest you look it up. Take a nice long look at where the world might be headed. We could all be screwed, and you will never even know it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577860/#p577860 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Two challenges:1. How can you deny that America has a problem when approximately one in fifty people have gotten sick, and of those sick, approximately one in thirty-two are dead now? Is that a hoax? Is that "no big deal" to you?2. If Trump has some grand reason - as suggested by your "he has to have a reason" defense, then what is it? Rather than trying to suggest that democrats are trying to control you with fear - which is patently bullshit, by the way, but hey-ho, let's go - why not suggest to us what the greater reason really is? Can you do that? Because the burden of proof lies with you to demonstrate that you're right, not on us to demonstrate how we're not wrong. Over seven million positive cases and over two hundred and ten thousand dead kind of speak for themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577842/#p577842 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Uh. We're in pretty bad shape as it is. 20 dead people is no small potatoes. And this does not factor in all the people who have recovered and now have secondary illnesses we haven't even started figuring out yet. So far that has been a completely unquantifiable number.Just because a disease has a high mortality rate does not make it not dangerous. Example. When this first hit and we were breathing people on ventilators, we didn't know that the ventilators were actually causing secondary organ damage to patients. Also. I am no Trump fan, but Trump not wearing a mask didn't get him sick, his refusal to insist those around him wear masks is really what got him in the end. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577839/#p577839 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Honestly, I think that there is a reason, beyond idiocy that Trump did what he did. Problem is, everyone is so caught up in all of the BS that the democrats put on our TV screens that we all get encapsulated by the fear and buy everything they tell us. They control us with fear. Honestly, if this whole virus was as contagious and dangerous as they are saying it is and as they have been saying it is over these months, this country would be in a lot worse shape I will tell you that right now. To be honest, all of this sanitizing and disinfecting we are doing is leading us right into a trap that will make Corona look like it never even existed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577835/#p577835 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Honestly, I think that there is a reason, beyond idiocy that Trump did what he did. Problem is, everyone is so caught up in all of the BS that the democrats put on our TV screens that we all get encapsulated by the fear and buy everything they tell us. They control us with fear. Honestly, if this whole virus was as contagious and dangerous as they are saying it is and as they have been saying it is over these months, this country would be in a lot worse shape I will tell you that right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577835/#p577835 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Something to keep in mind about masks. Wearing one really will not keep you from getting sick. However, it will keep everyone else from getting sick.If everyone wears one then the chance of being able to spread anything is much lower. since everyone's got one on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577833/#p577833 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Yeah, and then he exited the hospital early and went for a little car ride, risking infecting every other passenger in the car. The idiocy is unbelievable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577831/#p577831 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? To be honest if I need to wear them I will.Ie if I use a bus and when that happens yeah I will.But so far I havn't needed to in a mall or anything.Saying that during any level over level1 in my country's lockdown cycle I have avoided supermarkets and some other places in levels 3 and above.I am at the stage that if I need to and I must then I will or if its say a bus or a train because these are vectors I will do that.There are some asian stores that say I will also.But thats still the way it is.Now, I may concidder carrying round a mask in case but really who knows.There are a lot more things to be fearfull of right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577829/#p577829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
Re: Still don't want to wear masks? I haven't. In fact, in the video I did talk about how things have gotten taken to far and people are overly afraid. I just put this out there because I think it's important. Donald Trump didn't have his mask and look what happened. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577822/#p577822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Still don't want to wear masks?
2020-10-06
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Re: Still don't want to wear masks? Yet another person who has bought into the fear and the ridiculousness of all of this URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577806/#p577806 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
