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extremely disturbing news this is not a troll, this is not a spam, nor a bid for attention though at first it may seem to be so. about an hour ago, ultrapower was hacked by someone, who, using some form of hacking technology was able to gain access to mason's ultrapower password. about 10 minutes later his skype account changed it's display name to this account has been hacked.shortly after that I logged into twitter to see if that had been got at too.it had.I initiated a dm (direct messaging) conversation with the hacker, in which he asked me if I wanted mason's password. I replied yes, just to see what he would do. he said ok, but he had to get them from a brute force hacking sql database. He then proceded to give other excuses before telling me he wanted to destroy the entire blind community.He then quoted the exact name of my computer my computer name before proceding to threaten me with a denial of service attack and retrieval of personally identifiable informati on. I am posting this here in the hope that someone can do something, no matter how small, to fight this hacker. I am telling the absolute truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! nat the gods or beings of which ever religion you choose strike me down if I am lying, which I am not. I hope this will be of use to someone. change your passwords, and be careful. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219778#p219778 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news thanks for the announcement. Now I think I won't be going on UltraPower for a while until the issue is resolved. Sam also has had problems with hackers messing with Survive the Wild and changing character stats, like health, energy, and hunger. I suspect this could be the same hacker. Sam has secured his server in the latest updates, making it harder for hackers to carry out attacks. However, I don't think UltraPower is secured the same way, so Mason may need to upgrade it. I've also noticed that people can be killed in one shot even in the safe zone, though I'm not sure if that's a hacking exploit, or weapon damage in the game itself.I'm personally getting tired of games being ruined by hackers. Great projects are often discontinued because hackers choose to make the developer's job that much more difficult. Aprone made Swamp a paid account to prevent this from happening. The other alternative is to secure servers to make hacking difficult , as I noted above. Again, thanks for the announcement. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219781#p219781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news as it turns out this was a prank staged by mason. there is no hacker, there is no exploit of information. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219784#p219784 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Worst prank I've ever heard of... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219803#p219803 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I'm afraid I agree with Alex, staging pranks of that level of seriousness really doesn't show a mature attitude, it's like someone setting off fire alarms for fun, particularly because of passed hacker troubles. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219822#p219822 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I got not much to say, except that it is a childish behaviour.Best regards, Haramir. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219823#p219823 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Hi,Not too much to say because I believe that it has already been said. For your computer's safety if you have ever heard of Hot spot shield, go and check it out, it might be worth, at least as long as this hacker is around. Hot spot shield can automatically disconnect your computer from the local network as soon as somebody else joins it, with the intention of saving your computer from hacking. It can also prevent other computers from gaining access to your data. This method, in some ways, is illegal because it could change your IP address and a lot of other things along with it, but in these cases, I don't really see any sign of illegality, because I'm just saving my data from being hacked or used.I hope you guys solve this problem soon. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219827#p219827 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Um, [[wow]]. I thought thatr was a prank. Mason, if you read this, hackers are the ones who should be social engineering people, not coders. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219826#p219826 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2015-06-13
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Re: extremely disturbing news Well afrim, as Devin said it wasn't a hacker. But that, though it was a clever joke, it took it... a bit... too far. I wasn't extremely scared myself... but it certainly earned a delete of Mason on my skype. I'll think about adding him back, but I'm in no hurry to do so. That was quite childish, and it didn't help to receive news of a hacker out for the blind community as a hole, especially on a day I was already feeling bad for other reasons. Anyways that's all I have to say on the matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219833#p219833 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Hello,This is definitely childish behaviour, and that prank has gone too far. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219850#p219850 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news aaron wrote:Hello,This is definitely childish behaviour, and that prank has gone too far.While I think Mason intended it to be nothing more than a joke, it definitely makes people think twice about playing online games. There have been many hacking attempts lately on Sam's server and we all know about Swamp being repeatedly hacked. So, this kind of prank doesn't help those who wish to play online multi-player games feel anymore comfortable. If I was new to any of these games, I probably wouldn't want to be playing them out of fear of being hacked. Since I know this was only a joke, I will continue playing UltraPower as usual. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219861#p219861 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I agree with you all, it was pretty childish. I'm not even sure what made me want to do it anyway. It was just spur of the moment thing. True, I probably shouldn't have done it, but what's done is done, I'm afraid. I won't do it again without warning next time, which there probably won't be one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219863#p219863 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news @Mason, I am glad you recognize this as childish. To be honest though not knowing why you do something I find a little worrying, especially if you are in charge of a game server sinse it's a responsable business and if I were playing a game or on a forum myself I'd not feel especially safe if the person in charge was prone to such capricious and random decisions, indeed I have left forums in the past for such reasons. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219870#p219870 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Erm, aren't we taking this a little far?I mean. As far as I know, soundworks only talked with Devin. There wasn't much published publicly...I mean, if he posted something here, then sure it would've been a prank in bad taste. But I don't know. I wouldn't want to not joke with close friends in the fear of me being called childish... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219882#p219882 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news he only talked to me, but his actions had further reaching consequences as the ultrapower server seemed to be gone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219886#p219886 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news What he do or say when talking to his close friends is entirely his business, but when it goes publicly to a forum like this, no, I don't think we've gone too far.Best regards, Haramir. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219926#p219926 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Well, as I recall, speeder was the one who notified of it to us I mean, I understand. He gets scared that masan's been hacked. Then he figures out it's a prank, so he has to post here. But still it wasn't a public prank. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=219955#p219955 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Mason pulled this off and it lasted for quite a fiew hours. Speeder posted about this while it was happening, and at that point he didn't know. Accept we now have more pressing issues, it could be mason with other's pranking us, but I know mason has access to my stw source code, and this morning someone called and was freeking scrolling threw it. Someone who uh, shouldn't have it. And they said mason's dropbox was hacked, that person gave it then that, then this, then this, than he got it, etc, I don't know, but this hole hacking crap is pissing me off. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220022#p220022 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I fail to see how hacking someone gives anyone any personal gain. Hacking is the type of thing that just shouldn't be done because A. It's highly illegal and B. what gain do you get from it? It ruins other peoples experiences and for what? So you can tell someone that you can take control of someone's PC? So can I, all I have to do is sit down at the person's PC and begin typing. And I didn't even have to hack. I see this situation as bloody ridiculous and I have one question for the hackers: again what are you gaining from this? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220024#p220024 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news @samtypy1, Unfortunately, when it comes to hacking, I have one thing to say: deal with it. It's apart of life, and no matter what you do, no one's going to listen to you. For all the hackers care, we're just impotent little idiots who shouldn't exist. They want to get rid of us, and the way they do that is to destroy our PCs. It's a good way to destroy someone. The hacker can just take over the PC and destroy the person via that.@ghost rider, the hackers get multiple things out of it: Enjoyment, thrill, and satisfaction. They love to destroy peoples machine for fun. They love the thrill of hacking and battling antiviruses and firewalls. Finally, they get satisfaction after the person is in tears, is crying, and is in jail for something they didn't do, yet they can't prove it because it was under their name. Hackers love this kind of thing. They love to hack people just because they can. To them, the law doesn't matter. Illegality doesn 't matter. Nothing matters but the world of infinitive "idiots" as they call us. And if we're not infinitive idiots, then we're people who the hackers just love to annihilate so they can get the satisfaction and do whatever they were trying to do. All they want to do when they hack is get someone out of their way. For example, take the swamp server. People were hacking the swamp server so they could get Aprone out of the way and do whatever they wanted to do. In short, hackers think they're gods and immortals, and that they can do whatever they want, just like bullies and cyber bullies think. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220028#p220028 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news It's a personal ego thing.It's basically so you can tell yourself "I hacked that server, am I not the smartest person who ever existed?"Some people do it to see if they can do it, and some do just to break systems. Some also do it to show people it can be done and force them to fix the holes, etc. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220032#p220032 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I'm not to mad about my source code being stollen, I just changed the server and the encryption keys so hell if I care, most of it is useless anyway, besides the fact that now people can clone stw, but i'd notise and I think they'd fail horibly. But it's sad that mason had a log of plain text passwords in his ultrapower folder when his damn dropbox got hacked. I have ideas about who might be doing this, but I know whey love how we are so confused, about how it's wierd, I think I know that, if my suspissions are correct. I won't start anything stupid by posting anything about it here but I have my suspissions about this mess. I'm not mad though hahaha ethin. But I say hell with it, the hackers dammage has been done, and in my opinian sitting here talking about it isn't gonna get us anyware. I just recommend changing the passwords, and well, that 's really all I can say for advice. I've scene that log file of mason's for a while but didn't say anything about it because it just sat there and I didn't think about it. But when mason's dropbox got hacked, I thought oh shit and was just sending people who's usernames matched the entries in the log and whare it came from just encase they had the same pass for everything. I've completely removed mason's access to both mine and his code that we shared, not because I hate mason but so the hacker can't get more out of it, and what's even more wierd is I couldn't get ahold of him at all today. Facetime, skype, everything failed horibly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220038#p220038 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news @Ghost writerWell, you think they're not gaining anything from it, but they may rather find it as an achievement, which they'd been working on for a long time, and when they do it, they feel extremely good. you won't believe me. Similar was the case when one of my friend, not blind, after a long and boring attempt, hacked the facebook of his girl friend and got extremely carried away. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220053#p220053 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I'll admit I'm totally confused by everything that's going on, here and in the UltraPower thread. First there's claims of a hacker getting a hold of everyone's passwords and the game's source code. Next it's claimed to only be a joke. It is even stated that there is no such file that contains everyone's passwords. Now Mason is saying that it was all true.soundworx wrote:OK, so here's the deal.I did in fact get hacked. Well, at least, that's what it looks like. The whole bgt scripts folder has been compromised. There was in fact a log file in there with passwords in it, but the only reason it was in there was because there were people forgetting their passwords and I was retrieving them. Yes, I am aware that this is not smart and that probably nobody will play UP again, but hey, who expects to get hacked. I will no longer be having my sourcecode in a dropbox folder. Do as you will.I have absolutely no idea what is going on anymore. Is this all a joke, was this all a joke... did it really happen and was just being covered up by the whole "joke" story? Which way is up?! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220106#p220106 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Well, It's like a movie that my father watched, it is called atack the net or something, how hwo the enemies ar hackers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220124#p220124 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Ok, heres the hole thing so far. The thing that was a prank was mason pretending to get into UP and saying that he wanted to kill the blind comunity, that was a complete prank, the hole Original UP hacking. Well, then 2 days later, bryan smart calls me up and has my source code in front of me, scrolling threw it with his speesh routed so I could hear it. Mason was the only other person who had access to such code. Bryan told me that someone hacked mason's dropbox account, which scemes to be true. Mason made a vial mistake with having all of his passwords the same. I look into it and not that many people knew about it, none actually, but mason was litterily asleep that hole day, I couldn't get ahold of things. The next day I finily touched base with him on skype. Even he didn't know he was hacked. I told him and showed him the chatlog. He investigated and found that it was true. He didn't know what log I was talking about, until I mensioned players.log, containi ng username=password for exactly 446 passwords. But we figured meh, we can only tell people to change passes and not way to much else. Well, then, mason suddenly scemes to block me. Mason, masonasons, This person has not shared their details with you. not selected 12 of 59 and he had no reason to. Couple hours later, I get a chat from someone else saying that mason was trying to get in contact with me because his other account got hacked. So I added that one, and we talked, and demised a plan to figure out who the dang hacker was. So, we made a system whare when you ran it, it asked for mason's password. If you guessed it right, then, boom! Your user name, and computer name was sent back to us. We don't like hacking and we didn't consider this a hack, we wanted to know who it was. Well, only one person got the password correct. ilim from spain. Well, then I go look at the IP that was logged into mason's skype, and got 62.57.198.219. I geolocated that IP, and I got badalona spain. Intresting. Right? Gilim pleeds inisent and he may be, but currently, that is the hole true story to stop some confusion. I hate this freeking drama! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220134#p220134 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Hi,I would not just record their user name and computer name. Perhaps recording their IP address, operating system, location, hardware configuration (if possible), anda ll other information you can retrieve. Then, send it in to the NSA. They'll take it from there. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220137#p220137 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news It was supposed to do IP, but that got broken URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220140#p220140 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Well well well, very intresting update. Yup, it was guillem. That sun of a mother... Well, remember how I got the IP logged into the masonasons skype account? Well intrestingly enough, the IP of the skype name guilevi2, which is guillems skype name, is the exact same. Nice shot there, guillem. Also, before I actually got his skype IP, he was sending me chats about how mason's security was shit. From Guillem, Although I'm sure it wouldn't have been hard to get Mason's password. I'm going to be very honest with you: His security is shit. I've confirmed it with another guy I know and it's easy as heck to get any info you really want if you're bored enough, sent on Monday, June 15, 2015 5:06:35 PM. Some of his other chats, I asked him what he had: From Guillem, I don't think I have anything else except for what he's given me himself. Apart from his password, that is. Although I haven't done anything with it that affects him apart from that script. I was pretty sure he wouldn't have put his source code in a server handled by a script like that, but I tried it anyway, don't ask., sent on Monday, June 15, 2015 5:16:50 PM. I don't believe it at all, the IP's match, no other explination needed. From Guillem, Lol well, I guess the one who did it was smart enough to figure out it was a bait before actually running it, sent on Monday, June 15, 2015 5:55:19 PM. Well guillem, apparently, you were the one, and were not smart enough. From Guillem, About the IP, I don't think that has anything to do with me. As far as I know my IP has nothing to do with that one except for the first field, and I am nowhere near Badalona anyways, sent on Monday, June 15, 2015 5:56:06 PM. Well I don't think that's true, Masonasons and guilevi2 matched 100 percent. I told him I wanted to be sure. He asked what I wanted, and I said this. From Sam Tupy, so i'm gonna send you a file, and when you run it it sends me your IP. It will show you as well, but it's just for me to be sure. Unless You know someone from that city who might be involved because someone from there was in mason's skype, sent on Monday, June 15, 2015 6:04:24 PM. And then, nothing sence. I geolocated his skype IP, and compared it to the other one, completely the same. Weather he pleeds guilty or not, can someone explain, if he does, how 2 IP's are the exact same and he wasn't the one who did it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220145#p220145 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Gosh! 446 passwords that is ridiculous URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220176#p220176 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Hello,I am the individual known as Guillem (btw, thanks for giving that out, I had no intention to) who Sam has been talking about for the last day. I don't know what this will exactly get me, but it surely will be nothing good from most of you. I believe all the information you need is in the following message I sent to Sam a minute ago:Message start:Sam, the fact that I didn't respond has nothing to do with any of this. I ended up going to bed, so I had no idea you even sent a message. yes, I did leave my computer on, I do that all the time. But if you really want to know what happened, then I will tell you. Yes, Mason's security is total and complete shit. Actually, I should say, it's nonexistant. I've had his password for half a god damn year, and have managed to get it from different systems about 3 times without him even noticing, thanks to the help of some other person whom I shall not mention. We never, ever used it for anything, and I am being 100% truthful here, believe it or not. I've told Mason himself a few times that he should implement security, and he didn't give a shit about it. Literally everything someone had to do to get a user's password was download a file from an http server and open it in notepad. All the passwords, including mine and even yours, were right there. Some of us were smart enough to use fake passwords because there was no way to trust Mason. I had absolutely no intention of using hihs password whatsoever, since I do not support this sort of stuff (yes, I have been hacked myself and it was my own fault, I know what it feels like). I had pretty much given up on Mason's security issue, though. I was never a fan of his games, but I never intended on causing them damage. But when I heard about the whole thing with Mason getting hacked for the first time, I admit, I found it a bit funny. I found it funny that someone had actually stumbled uppon Mason's securit y issue and used it to actually hack into Mason's account. Or so I thought. When after loads of yelling, public screams for help like the audiogames.net thread and two mass skype messages, he announced it had been nothing but a prank, was the last straw. I ahd no intention of causing damage to him or anyone involved with his life, but he wasn't going to learn from people yelling at him about his security. Maybe I was a bit too hyper, maybe I thought that woudl be a way to make him learn, but the point is, me and the other person did get into his twitter and his skype. No matter how hyper or whatever the heck i was, I took extra care not to do anything that would endanger him or anyone who got involved in the process, but I did take care to do enough so he noticed that his security couldn't hold up to much, if anything. I didn't see it as a hostile move to cause him trouble, but as a nudge for him to actually get off his butt and code actual security into hi s projects, because he is not the only one being affected by this. He is putting absolutely all of you in risk. All of you who play his games, have your passwords stored as plain text. Yes, I did have people ask me what his password was when I casually told someone that Mason's security was bad. And I think you will agree with me on the fact that, no matter how much I make fun of his security, I don't want to give personal information like that out. I didn't think it was safe enough in my hands, let alone in the hands of someone who wants it to, quote, give himself an infinite level on ultrapower and ban all the admins, unquote. All of the stuff that me and my friend did was not meant to cause any damage, again. Hell, I thought Mason would have noticed when I literally started having conversations with himself on his own timeline. That's pretty much the whole story. I know this will get me yelled at, because no matter how I thought of what I did, I'm sure ev ery one of you will just see it as a hack with no good intentions. But that's your choice. I know why I did what I did and that's enough for me. If Mason learns from this, I am happy, even if he hates my guts for the rest of his life. Oh, about your sourcecode going public, I have no idea how that happened. I gave absolutely nothing out, and I am 100% certain that other person didn't either. Right, that's all, I believe. Your move. Think what you will.Message end.For some of you this might be surprising, and for some of you who I have never met before, I know this is not a very good starting point. But like I said, think what you will. I did all that needed to be done and now it's not my business any more than it needs to be.Thank you. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220193#p220193 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news It took guts to come forward like that. At the very least, I think we can all appreciate that the mystery is solved and we have the story now. Assuming this is the whole story of course.I really can't tell how the rest of this conversation is going to go, so I'll just sit back and hopefully not have to moderate any type of flame war. People might be mad, people might get rude, but it's just as possible that people will be understanding... heck, maybe even supportive. No matter which side you end up on, keep it civil guys. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220208#p220208 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news *insert lots of angry rant here so aprone can moderate and has something to do here*That said, I guess you're like a grey hat hcker-you hack people's computer and then tell them how you hacked into their computers.Anyway, I don't care. If you don't have security it's inevitable that you're going to be hacked. Then again, you might be lying and just did it for fun.If you're not lying, I hope people can find who stole the sourcecode. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220210#p220210 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news last night, he was lying to me. But heres the thing. You don't use someones password to hack it, then say oh, I did it as a nudge. Truth is you don't hack it anyway. Thanks to that, the source went public, people were posting about you doing that, and I have no reason to believe it wasn't you. I still wonder who hacked the dropbox then if it wasn't you, but I think it was. You dang sure caused a lot of dammage though, like, a lot. First, who blocked half the contacts on mason's skype? Then oh, it's not dammage, setting mason's moodtext to his password and using it to lie to me? Sure guillem, I don't think those are the only reason's you did that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220211#p220211 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Guillem is not lying. He is an honest man. @guillem: While hacking technically leads to no good intention, I'm giving you credit here. You, unlike other hackers, had an intention other than unnecessary destruction. You did it to make a point, and if nothing else could tell him how at risk these games are without effective security measures, this did, or should've done it. So you might be, by some people's definition, a hacker, but I say you're an honest one. You did it with a valid intention. Usually most other hackers have a head with no brain and just do it for fun knowing it will get under peoples' skin. Yes, this caused some confusion and frustration, but everyone was right to get pissed off over it. Every hacker has a cover story, and usually the only way to fully disclose it is for the person doing it to tell everyone what they really mean to do. Really no other hacker does that, which is why I think you don't fall under the category of just bei ng a plain and simple hacker. We know you did it only to drive the point home that he, plain and simple, *needs* to implement full security. That said, until the security is implemented, I advise everyone to use hotspot shield until the issue is resolved. Thank you for your patience and understanding. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220212#p220212 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news A freaking maising.And not in a good way either.You're just like one of these phone freaks that hacked the bell system because they could. This isn't even a good idea to prove a point to somebody. From what you've posted here, you can actually be put in jail for a long time, no kidding. Having had experience with hackers myself, I know that its not funny and people are likely to report them.So good luck. In my opinion, this is morraly wrong on so many levels. What started as a prank has turned into something that is totally rediculous and you, guilevi, are the perpertrater. While you had mildly good intentions, the fact remains this is still wrong. the correct thing to do would have been to tell mason what, precisely, you would have done, how it would have been done and why you would do it. I have to admit, though, it took real guts to come forward and out yourself to an entire community. But there are better ways of going about this. I don't think what you've done is actually very fair to mason. Ok, his security is rubbish. So tell him and explain rather than say hahahahahhaahaha lets hack mason and show him how crap he is! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220217#p220217 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news @Kyle12, hacking Masons systems was the only way to get him to listen. we told him that has security was complete shit gave no result, so we had to take it to extra measures. Guillem cannot go to Jail because he had a complete, valid point he was trying to point out but could not. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220219#p220219 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news @ethin. That doesn't stop the way in which he did it being illegal. I understand proving a point was the only way to get him to listen, but I also understand that two wrongs do not make a right what so ever and that this is against a few laws, not just in the US, but in the UK and europe. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220220#p220220 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Coming forward about this was the only way to clear all the mess that this whole sequence of events created. I just thought it was right to do it because, even if it brought my reputation right down to hell, no-one would need to lie about anything anymore and everyone would know the true story from an irrefutable point of view.@kyle12 are you saying this just because you can? Honestly, reporting something like this, all between minors and with no intention of harm, would make no sense to me. I understand I may have been a bit too harsh. But going that far? I just don't know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220222#p220222 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Ok. if I were a moderator, I would have given the moderation message. Let me say this, though. Ethin and Kyle are both right and wrong in their own way. I know about the law. I am not sure how this would be handled in Spain or England, but, if Mason, ever desired to, he could press charges and lie. He could say that Guillem hacked into his pc and gave him a virus, or caused some sort of damage that really never occured, just because. He could turn this story inside out and mess it up. There are people who hack their own companies, only to test the securety. Guillem, from that standpoint was just proving the point that securety is vital, especially, if mason wants to make his game shareware. A true hacker, with no good intention, could easily get my credit card info, and everything else, if the game was shareware at the time of the hack. Now, think about this. I know Mason wouldn't lie and get guillem into trouble like that, but if that had have been someone else? In the late 80's and early to mid 90's, there was a hacker named Kevin Micknick. He was the most wanted hacker in the United States. You know why? He hacked people for fun. He didn't do it out of mean spirits, he didn't put anything on the devices he hacked. He took code and other files he needed from the computers he hacked. He was arrested twice. Now, he works as a securety consultant, hacking computers, just to test their securety. He gets paid for hacking. It all started from, guess what? A prank! Guillem, you did the right thing and said why you did the hack. You may say you're completely off the hook. That is now in the hands of Mason, sam, and everyone else who's passwords you reaped. If you were so desperate to have him get better securety, you could have put securety in, while you were involved with the hack. Now, everyone, I beg of you that what I said doesn't turn into a flame war like everything else I say does. I am only setting some f acts. This is the end of my rant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220224#p220224 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news [[wow]] guillem and ethin. Because of your hack, my source code is leaked, everyone knows mason's password, and I wonder now if ethin, was the other guy. I could say so many bad things right now about the both of you and it's taking all I have to hold back. Yeh, like hackings gonna make mason change his security. Well, it made him never use dropbox again for crap, you scared the hell out of him, took his shit, went into his skype, set his mood text, lied to me, made everyone think mason betraid them. Sure I didn't even know his passes were in plain text and that sort of pisses me off, mine were never in plain text and I always encrypted them, but still. That is about the only thing I can blaim mason for, that's it. And maybe having the same password so his security could have improvements, but going in and screwing him over like that was no help to him. If anything, it got him pissed off more than anything, and the fact that 2 game devs are immature enough to g o hacking into another game devs account is just stupid as hell. I know i'm being very harsh but that just ain't how it works, how immature do you gotta be to see that. It's to bad this situation wasn't completely turned completely around on both of you guys, it would suck to be you. You have envaded privicy, stollen source code which you will not admit too, and btw if ethin isn't that other guy, I'd have to guess brian smart has something to do with this because he showed the source code. I don't know what got into your brains. Ok, credit for admitting, But this situation has gotten me more angry than most. I thought you 2 at least had common sence. Deleting everyone from mason's skype and threatoning to publisize sourcecode, more proof that you probably had it, and my source code, I didn't wanna be in this mess, but when mason blocks me and when people are scrolling threw my crap, and when sam and mason is cleared, yeh I am gonna get in to these things. Ok I know I ranted very very harshly so I will stop now, but yeh, in short, not cool. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220231#p220231 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Ok, now. We don't want the mods to go putting down a moderation message. Sam, you have every tight to be angry about this, but, seriously. We need to take it down a notch. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220232#p220232 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news alright. I will give you a perspective that is way outside and way neutral on this and will be brief and somewhat harsh about it:First. A security breach? that is nothing. even sony had them and there is a site called has sony been hacked dot com, or something of the sort. happens to just about anyone that does not care, this including the bit on plaintext passwords.Second, how many times has it been repeated in here to keep private, melodramatic, personal discussions out of a forum? I see this one way too often in here everywhere now, and honestly, is what wants me to detract and leave the community, and fast. Unfortunately, audiogames.net is pretty much the only community that is still very active and dedicated to the subject. And I am sorry moderators, but I thinkk you do have excessive neutrality and very loose control from what i have been Reading on countless topics because remember, all of these forums are 100% public and just about anyone can read them. Sure, i have been away for years, but come on, that does not mean I would stop following what has been going on. We can of course debate this over any other medium that will not involve the forums at all.And thirdly, its time some of you get out of your couches, studios, rooms, houses and interact with real people, exercise, have a laugh, party a bit, study about whatever other topic out there, because life is just too short for you to 1. Try and try and tyr to get back into games you have been kicked out of, 2. Savotage everything around and about you (you had plenty of time to do that when you were younger), 3. Cry, or rant, or flame over spilled milk (a slang dictionary now would be good) In giving this third opinion, I felt it was already necessary because I feel that all of these things are seriously disrupting the entire blind gaming community, whether it be inside and outside of audio games. And if those things never stop, well, then the somewhat junk posts on a udio games never will either, and i am afraid this site will just be like any other regular, public, 4chan, IRC, whatever, forum out there. All because someone cannot behave like a propper, educated civilian in the internet. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220243#p220243 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news More than 1 person has suggested some sort of moderation is in order here, so I should at least post something.I haven't gone back through every post with a fine toothed comb, but while originally reading each one nothing jumped out at me as being in need of moderator action. Now don't get me wrong, as individuals each of the moderators may have differing opinions on what would and would not require action. If another mod wants to jump in because of something they read, I will not be bothered by that at all.There were a few times when things were said that could easily have exploded in the next post, but people have done a pretty good job of keeping their cool. Not everything is bunnies and unicorns here, but I also don't think I've seen any blatant harassment or foul language. Please do quote and correct me if I'm wrong. I may have gone over something and missed something horrible that was said. I apologiz e in advance if I have.Dhruv had all those angry rants earlier, but I'll let those slide for now. (post 32 if you don't get the joke)UltraLeetJ, I agree that at times things are not exactly locked down tight by the moderators, but I also see that as a good thing. We all know how that can be a bad situation, but on the flip side people aren't terrified to say anything because of how an over zealous moderator might interpret it. I've been on forums, and even games, where over policing did far more damage than freedom ever could. So while I think we need to police things that are getting out of hand, there is at least a silver lining to the times things go by unnoticed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220246#p220246 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Ok, let's put it this way. A hack, no matter the good intentions, will have at least a lil bit of dammage. Both Tyler and Sam have valid points that I will not dispute, and I don't blame anyone for getting pissed off, after all this was a pretty confusing situation as a whole. Sure, the hacking did dammage. Neither of y'all necessarily are deserving of the dammage either. But the point that better security is needed still stands. As telling him didn't work, more drastic measures had to be taken. Sometimes you gotta shake a can at someone to wake them up if things ain't right. All I am saying is hope this don't happen again. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220263#p220263 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Aprone, do you remember all those times people kept hacking swamp? Do you remember jhow you tried and tried to stop it? Emagine what damahe that hack would have done if that had have happened to you instead of mason? just think. Securety is escential if you want to keep your customers. Not only is securety vital, but confidentiallity is more so. Keeping passwords unincripted in a dropbox folder that your testers are in, is like going on vacation and leaving your door unlocked and putting a sign up that says, "my house is yours..." URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220265#p220265 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Techmaster, I completely agree with you. This was a horrible breach of security that may, or could have, affected a whole lot of people. If you bring this up as a reason for me to do something as a forum moderator, then I'm not sure I understand where you're going with it.I think we would need a dropbox moderator, or a skype moderator perhaps. Maybe an Ultra power game moderator.I can't punish anyone for anything they do outside of this forum. Even back when I spent day in and day out battling hackers on Swamp, I had no right to do anything to them on here. If it had been withing my rights, I'd have been on here tossing people out of audiogames.net, haha! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220271#p220271 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news he sees my point! yes, aprone. you're right. We can't do anything to them, because it wasn't a hack on the forum directly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220274#p220274 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I believe I understand all of your points, even if I don't share them. I am sure this will happen again, but it will not be anything of my doing. I did all I needed to do. Oh, and Sam, I am very sorry because this may piss some people off, but I have to say that if Mason is just sitting in his room crying about his sourcecode and not implementing security in and being generally pissed off at life, after what happened? Then he has a problem. I have done everything I could. Talking to Mason included. But if after this he keeps being stubborn, then I think nothing good will come of it. Now all of you ultrapower players know that all your passwords are plain text. Believe me or not, I have not looked at any other user information besides Mason's. But still this will put a lot of people at a higher level of alert, and some of the more radicalistic ones will stop playing. So right now, even thought this may just sound like an arrogant remark from a horrible person, I have to s ay that the one showing the most immaturity is Mason. Keyword most. I know what I did wasn't the best thing ever, morally. But Mason could have used it for his own good.End of rant. Sorry, I get way into this stuff. Lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220296#p220296 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Hi,While I wouldn't necisarily report this because that would make me as immature as some of the hackers, I am saying that other people will. Also, its not damage against a miner you have to be worryed about, it would be hacking computers with malicious intent. Now I know you didn't mean it this way, guilevi, but some people may see it this way. I'm not going to do anything. Just be careful in future.As for proving a point to mason, I'm not even sure you have. I haven't seen an ultra power update with encryption features, so. Nothing against anyone here, but I'm not really sure this worked. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220309#p220309 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news For the record, the industry standard way of doing this sort of thing is to report it to the developer, complete with a detailed description of the exploit and then wait some amount of time, then release a message explaining the danger of the exploit to the community without detailing how it's done, so that consumers can take their own security measures, which would in this case at a minimum mean making sure that your password in these games is not the same as one you use on any valuable accounts. Guilevi, this is not the procedure you appear to have followed and that is why you are catching some crap here. In future, I'd recommend following this approach. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220319#p220319 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news That is exactly the point I tried to maek in my last post, Kyle. I am not sure it worked, and it's quite sad. But I'll leave it up to him, and I hope you all will agree with me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220320#p220320 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Couldn't agree more. Being polight is good, but not everyone's gonna follow it, sadly. I have no idea what server provider he's using. But, if better security is in order, and his provider doesn't support it, I think, it's time, to make the game fully shareware. I'm sorry to everyone who likes free software and I know this may set people on edge, but if it's what has to happen, it's just, what has to happen! Don't expect to get any good outa running a low-cost possibly shitty server provider! If you are running on a server without an i s p then just program better security. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220329#p220329 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Couldn't agree more. Being polight is good, but not everyone's gonna follow it, sadly. I have no idea what server provider he's using. But, if better security is in order, and his provider doesn't support it, I think, it's time, to make the game fully shareware. I'm sorry to everyone who likes free software and I know this may set people on edge, but if it's what has to happen, it's just, what has to happen! Don't expect to get any good outa running a low-cost possibly shitty server provider! If you are running on a server without an i s p then just program better security. And then how bout this. The password you use to log in, it's not a password, it'd be your serial number. And the registration system will be online. And it will check how many people are using the license. And we will know who's a customer and who's not. And for the people that just don't wanna pay for games, I hate to say this but, too frick in bad. If this is what has to be done for security, then this is! what will be done. I'm sorry but security hurts the true customers more than the any people who will possibly be doing the hacking, and I, for one, won't stand for that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220329#p220329 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Couldn't agree more. Being polight is good, but not everyone's gonna follow it, sadly. I have no idea what server provider he's using. But, if better security is in order, and his provider doesn't support it, I think, it's time, to make the game fully shareware. I'm sorry to everyone who likes free software and I know this may set people on edge, but if it's what has to happen, it's just, what has to happen! Don't expect to get any good outa running a low-cost possibly shitty server provider! If you are running on a server without an i s p then just program better security. And then how bout this. The password you use to log in, it's not a password, it'd be your serial number. And the registration system will be online. And it will check how many people are using the license. And we will know who's a customer and who's not. And for the people that just don't wanna pay for games, I hate to say this but, too frick in bad. If this is what has to be done for security, then this is! what will be done. I'm sorry but bad security hurts the true customers more than the people who will possibly be doing the hacking, and I, for one, won't stand for that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220329#p220329 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Couldn't agree more. Being polight is good, but not everyone's gonna follow it, sadly. I have no idea what server provider he's using. But, if better security is in order, and his provider doesn't support it, I think, it's time, to make the game fully shareware. I'm sorry to everyone who plays free software and simply can't afford it, I understand. And I'm not even the one making this decision, I'm just pointing it out. I know this may set people on edge, but if it's what has to happen, it's just, what has to happen! Don't expect to get any good outa running a low-cost possibly shitty server provider! If you are running on a server without an i s p then just program better security. And then how bout this. The password you use to log in, it's not a password, it'd be your serial number. And the registration system will be online. And it will check how many people are using the license. And we will know who's a customer and who's not. And for the people that just don't wanna pay for games, I hate to say this but, too frickin bad. If this is what has to be done for security, then this is! what will be done. I'm sorry but bad security hurts the true customers more than the people who will possibly be doing the hacking, and I, for one, won't stand for that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220329#p220329 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Heh.Some technical points here.As far as I know, on a linux vps even if it's $5.00, they give you full control on your instance. So they don't decide what security you have, you do.I would bedt a lot that windows server have the same amount of control, so really it's in your own hands. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220332#p220332 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news That's what I figured. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220333#p220333 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Heh.Some technical points here.As far as I know, on a linux vps even if it's $5.00, they give you full control on your instance. So they don't decide what security you have, you do.I would bedt a lot that windows server have the same amount of control, so really it's in your own hands.Edit: it's not possible to force someone to do something. It's ethically moral that he implement security right now, but if he doesn't, well don't use the passwords you use on other places. That's kind of the first rule of passwords and that is why password managers are built for anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220332#p220332 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Heh.Some technical points here.As far as I know, on a linux vps even if it's $5.00, they give you full control on your instance. So they don't decide what security you have, you do.I would bet a lot that windows server have the same amount of control, so really it's in your own hands.Edit: it's not possible to force someone to do something. It's ethically moral that he implement security right now, but if he doesn't, well don't use the passwords you use on other places. That's kind of the first rule of passwords and that is why password managers are built for anyway.Edit 2:Here's a way to crack online checking. I kind of thought about this in 3 seconds, and i'm not even a hacker at all.1. get your friend to buy the game.2. instal wireshark, a packet analyzer, on his computer.3. depending on if the server just sends a verified packet, it's incredibly easy to do then. Otherwi se you might have to construct packets from scratch.3.1. If it's a "verified account" packet, just send that to the game after decompiling it, and reconstructing it on your computer. You might have to set up a dummy server for this.3.2. If it's a "verified ", just put your serial number in there.4. As stated before, do a man in the middle thing. Construct a server, put it in whatever port the game connects the actual server. You use that server as a middleware between the game and the real server. If the verification is clientside, you just use the middleware server to make the game believe that you're verified. If it's serverside though you probably would have to do identity theft and steal other people's serial numbers and stuff, but it can be done.The moral of the story is, nothing is completely secure.Now for this password thing.There is a thing, basically everyone who keeps pas swords ever uses it.What you do is get a password from user and make a hash. Store that hash in the database, or in a plane text file, whatever.Then when a user tries to log in, you create a new hash with the password the user gives. Then you do a comparity check.If both hashes are the same, you log them in, and ta da.You can get this information in 4 seconds of googling. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220332#p220332 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Sam, really? You think I was the other who hacked your server? Let me tell you, good sir, that my IP starts with 74.207, and ends in 162.234. Effectly, it's 74.207.162.234. Of course, I move around, so my IP's always changing, but still, dude? Are you that stupid? I do not hack people unless I am forced to. Hell, I don't even have the tools to do so! Not any more, at least. And, for the record, I have never hacked STW or uP at all. Don't even say that I did, because then you are completely insane and saying that I should consider you so. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220337#p220337 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
2015-06-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news I never heard of Ultrapower, and I'm surprised that hackers are very skilled in mathematics to work at breaking codes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220339#p220339 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Hacking rarely if ever requires mathematics.I mean, maybe when you're compiling your own hacks from scratch and stuff. But most of it is social engineering, and script kittism. What I have to do to hack a game is scan for vulnerabilities, and then just type execute this hack. The actual hacks are made by people far smarter than I could ever be. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220341#p220341 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Hi,There are actually people employed to do this stuff (the so called white-hat hackers), and they get paid huge amounts of money to break security for companies. Indeed, I thought about doing this myself, but decided I'd rather program the security rather than break it. :d But anyway, that's a bit off topic. If you really want security, string hash functions, as well as string_to_hex and hex_to_string would do it. Also, there are the encode and decode functions, which use base64, and I'm pritty sure you could import a dll that does even more secure like things. I could even make a class that does this! Its honestly not that difficult and all it would require is an extra half hour of coding. Seriously. Code security. Until you do, I will never, in my life, play or use anything you make, and I'm pritty sure a few people might agree. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220380#p220380 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news I personally agree here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220384#p220384 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Friends, look at post 11 onword in the topic "an apology" in general game discussion and this entire thing is solved! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220388#p220388 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
2015-06-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : themadviolinist via Audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news I'll add as a closing remark here that you should simply assume that your information could be hacked on anything from a game server to your bank. Given that banks and credit card merchants will generally cover your losses, this may not be a serious as it sounds, but it does suggest that you should never duplicate passswords, choose passwords that bear no relation to any easily obtainable information about you and (if you are old enough to do so) enroll in a credit monitoring service to watch for anomalous transactions. It is uncumbent upon developers to do their best to use good security practices. It is equally incumbent on users to realize that these will never be sufficient in the face of a determined effort to undermine security and act with the appropriate level of paranoia. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220575#p220575 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Hi,Themadviolinist, I agree completely. I am extremely parranoied about my security to the point I never use the same password twice. I encrypt any sensative information I might have on a drive, because anything can be hacked at absolutely any time, including a computer. Its amaising how many people don't think about this, in fact, I asked someone what kind of security they use once and they actually asked me what security was. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220597#p220597 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news To be honest, anyone shouldn't have a computer if they don't know what security is. It's just too much of a frisk if they don't know what security is, the internet is gonna hit people like that hard. Look, hex your passwords, guys. There's a free text-hex converter on levtech that you can use to hex any text you want, then remember it's hex value URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220605#p220605 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news @Ethin, I doubt you know what you're talking about when you said "It had to be done."It didn't have to be done. It was completely and 100% your choice to hack. Not Mason's, not your mother's, mind you she'd probably like to know what secret activities you've been up to on the computer. It was completely a choice you can make yourself.Nothing makes it right. Yes, we all know Mason's security is complete and absolute bullshit, but did you see me saying that "hacking him was the only way?"No. I didn't. I hope you don't take this as flaming because it's simply speaking the truth, but if you do, it's not really my problem. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220609#p220609 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
2015-06-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : severestormsteve1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news The thing is, Dgleks is right. Just because you don't have good security, doesn't make it right to hack, put yourself on the other end of that spectrum. If you have poor security, it's not an excuse for that. However if you are hit by the run of the mill hack attack, well... guess you should've thought to up your security. As for my security methods, I'll not disclose them because I don't want to give hackers clews as to how to access sensitive information. But while it is important to be aware and take preventative measures against hackers, I myself am not paranoid of such an attack. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220618#p220618 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Ahh, again? More vitriol? As Dark said in another topic, this issue is just gettin way outa hand. I think it's time we just let this topic sink to the bottom until Dark closes it. Either it gets closed, or we could just ignore it and it will go deep down into the realms of page 6 or 7. We gotta stop throwing vitriol here. The points have been made, now all y'all are doin here is reiterating it. It's enough, ok? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220620#p220620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news No, we shouldn't.*sighs* This is why most of the blind community is fucked up. You know what happened if you went out in the real world and said what people have said in this topic? I'll tell you what, we'd get our asses handed to us, some people on this thread at least would. People like Steve, Aprone and I who have valid points, not so much.In the real world, you can't simply say, "Let's just forget about it. People have expressed their annoyance and we don't need to discuss it further."Guess what that's gonna do? It's gonna get people to talk about it more and more. You can't simply walk out of your house, do and/or say something childish, and then attempt to back your case up by saying "It had to be done. It was the only way."No, unfortunately life doesn't work like that. This comunity, and many others, have to learn that. It's the first step to understanding what you can and can not do and/or say.Once people say shit like this, they have to live with the fact that someone's gonna call them out on it. If they don't like that, simple. That logout button is brightly lit for you to happily trigger. Or, don't post shit like this at all. Better yet, don't do it in the first place.Thanks!-Dgleks-Dglexsoft URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220701#p220701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
2015-06-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : severestormsteve1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news Indeed. And requesting that we not post to this topic anymore is not morally correct, by the forum's standards. While it is true that flaming probably has gone on in this topic, (I couldn't be bothered to read such useless junk), it does not mean that no further discussion should or could be done here the moderators would've closed this topic, and still could if things stayed out of hand. However, everyone, myself includesd, has the right to add their two sents so long as it is not personally attacking to anyone, and I do not believe anything has been that way over the last several days. And should you be bothered by a simple security discussion, you are not required to put focus on this topic and press the enter or space bar. My overall point? This topic will die out when all matters of discussion and opinion that need to be discussed have been discussed. And if that means my post is the last post, then so be it. But if it's not, it obviously means t here are things still to be discussed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220708#p220708 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Maybe it was the hacker who wrote the message and not him. And I agree with this it brings to light these issues and for one don't use dropbox it is not open information your storing. I would recommend using syncthing or mycloud. As for the people with games written in bgt don't keep your code in a single code file like Sam. Because it sounds to me like he his keeping his code in a single file. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220711#p220711 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news @dgleks, stop blaming me for hacking anything. You know I didn't hack anything that involved mason, or helped him hack anything. So don't even think about blaming me. That shows that you, too, do not ahve your facts correct. While I might ahve been a little blut when I said it was the only way, it was the only way at the time. Mason wouldn't listen to us about security, so we couldn't think of any other way to get him to listen. But I was never, ever involved, even though I use the word 'we'. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220752#p220752 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Let me ask you this Ethin. Did I ever, in my post, say the words, "You were in volved with the actual hacking"? Please answer "Yes or "No." URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220792#p220792 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
2015-06-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : severestormsteve1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news Dgleks wrote:@Ethin, I doubt you know what you're talking about when you said "It had to be done."It didn't have to be done. It was completely and 100% your choice to hack. Not Mason's, not your mother's, mind you she'd probably like to know what secret activities you've been up to on the computer. It was completely a choice you can make yourself.Nothing makes it right. Yes, we all know Mason's security is complete and absolute bullshit, but did you see me saying that "hacking him was the only way?"No. I didn't. I hope you don't take this as flaming because it's simply speaking the truth, but if you do, it's not really my problem.Yes, Dgleks, you put the following sentence: "It was completely your choice to hack". I don't know if you meant to put that in the post you could've meant to put &quo t;their" or something... but that's just waht I found in the post. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220810#p220810 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Yes, it was their choice. There's always a choice, but any other choice woulda led to Mason's security not being fixed. Maybe. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220811#p220811 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news But anyway, yes, there are some points that people feel need to be driven home. I understand. And still, while some of these posts have been slight slam-dunks on Guillem and Ethin, but we've all remained at least close to civil here. All I'm saying, don't heat this up too much, we don't want another flame war here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220812#p220812 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news True Steve But Ethin is trying to say that I blaimed him and said he was part of it, so he's twisting my words around. If he didn't even wanna be brought up in the first place, then maybe he shouldn't have posted here and made it sound like he was part of the situation. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220823#p220823 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news I never made it sound like I was apart of the situation at all. I was just trying to reinforce Guillems points. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220887#p220887 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news I never made it sound like I was apart of the situation at all. I was just trying to reinforce Guillems points.Also, Dgleks, I will reference your other post. do not involve my mother in this. Do not involve any other family of mine in this. HOw would you like it if I said those exact words that you said on that post? Sure, you'd deny your feelings; you always do. However, involving my mother in this is just going to piss me off. MMy mother has nothing to worry about, since I have not done anything that should concern her. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220887#p220887 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
2015-06-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : severestormsteve1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news OK... sure... whatever. First of all Ethin no one is dragging your mother into an online audio game hacking scandal. Second off, as Jack said there's no need to start up a flame war again. Ethin your post sseemed a bit on the personal side, DGleks's post might've been a bit on the offensive side but if he believe you twisted his words around, it wouldn't be considered flaming to say so. But let's not let this misunderstanding turn into another flame war... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220900#p220900 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news I'm trying not to, but when people say things that are offensive, it shows that he could care less about what he means, and that he jsut says things because he knows he can. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220913#p220913 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news This topic should quite honestly just be closed. This hole thing with mason has been solved. Guillem got what he wanted for mason to have better security, we all got what we wanted, mason's passwords are encrypted, everythings changed. It all worked out in the end. Sure people might still have bad feelings about certain people, Same with me but keeping this toppic in the top ten doesn't really help. I say we just forget about this hole mess besides the lessons we learned from it and just move on. Just my opinian. This topic is just full of complete drama, nd nothing good. Why not let it just fall way back down deep into the archives lol. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220931#p220931 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news LOL Ethin you said, "We had no other choice." "We", includes you. Read your posts over and over before you comment with useless retorts. I'm not dragging your mother into anything. Mind you, she would probably love to find out what you're up to online these days no?-Dgleks URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220935#p220935 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Y'all, it'll fall when it falls. If you're so against this topic, then skip it. Or if you must, configure your screen reader's speech to say "blank" instead of the name of this topic. Now come on y'all! This constant "we gotta forget this Oh my gosh this topic is bad really bad bad topic no bad topic" kind of mentality is what keeps discussion from happening! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220961#p220961 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Absolutely right Devin and Steve the Severe Storm. And even Sam, who was angry at first, of course, says this topic should be closed, not will Dglex please stop spewing vitriol and Ethan, just try not to get caught into it. We all have different viewpoints on this but this most of this community I'm sure has settled down on this. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220969#p220969 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: extremely disturbing news
Re: extremely disturbing news Fine, dgleks. Think what you want. But do not ever mention my mother in any of our discussions; she does not concern you. You are not my mentor, you are not my controller/parent/guardian/friend/... you get the picture. So shove off. I'm tired of your vitriol comments. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=220975#p220975 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: extremely disturbing news Moderation! For Dglex's comments in posts 64, 67, and 80, which (irrispective of the rights and wrongs of the situation), definitely get into the personal (indeed not to mention an attack on the community as a hole), he has been banned from the forum for three months, sinse this is by no means the first occasion Dglex has been warned of such behaviour. @Ethin, your responses to Dglex and to others here have been getting somewhat personal, although I do recognize the provocation, however consider this a warning. I will also add that whatever a person's lack of security arrangements, no, hacking their machine shows no respect for their personal integrity or privacy. Just the same way you would not prove a person has a faulty lock by burgling their house, hacking a person's machine is not the way to make a point and anyone found guilty of such will be in trouble whatever their motivations might be, not the least because as this hu ge fiasco proves, it just creates bad feelings.So, this topic is now being closed and I hope that this particular matter is as well sinse to be honest it's just caussed a huge! heap of trouble and flaming, especially to all those not involved.I suggest if anyone wants to warn Mason or anyone else of security holes in their system they do it in a more conventional way next time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=221021#p221021 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
