Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modding the Squeezebox
95bcwh;181380 Wrote: > LOL...I wonder, what would it take for people to accept the fact that > there is NO consensus in this hobby?? > > When you look for a wife, do you have to find "consensus" among people > that your wife is the prettiest in the world? :) LOL no, but you may wish to consider the variety of supported interfaces, the capability for future upgrades, height, width depth and noise floor, options for remote control etc. Balanced operation is generally desirable, as is good imaging and wide dynamic range. Low jitter is a must of course. If this is your first wife, then WAF is not an issue. I recommend an extended home trial after studying the specs and test reviews. When comparing alternative models, a DBT is usually very difficult to organise... :0) -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32739 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lossless Downloads
johann;181314 Wrote: > I'm not sure how you know it's 16 bit in any of the cases.wmadec.exe Wrote: > > D:\Purchased Music>wmadec.exe -help > wmadec.exe: illegal option -- e > wmadec [-dqhw] [ -b bits_per_sample ] [ -r sample_rate ] > [ -n num_channels ] [ -o outputfile ] [input] > -dAdd debugging output. > -qSuppresses program output. > -hPrint help message. > -b n Bits per sample of output. Valid values are 8 or 16 > (default) > -r n Sample rate of output. Default is 44100. > -n n Number of channels of output. Default is 2 > -o filename Write output to specified filename. Default is stdout. > -wAdd wave headers > -l bytes length of decoded output in bytes Because for -b it says "Valid values are 8 or 16" I assume it doesn't handle 24 bits. -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modding the Squeezebox
P Floding;181325 Wrote: > There is no general concensus on what sounds good and what sounds like > sh*t. > > LOL...I wonder, what would it take for people to accept the fact that there is NO consensus in this hobby?? When you look for a wife, do you have to find "consensus" among people that your wife is the prettiest in the world? :) -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32739 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
P Floding;181364 Wrote: > No, there won't. There will be a peak of opposite polarity. Yes, you're right. Edit coming up. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
sonofcolin;180663 Wrote: > Bel Canto e.one DAC3 is a very impressive DAC to my ears (but not > cheap). I use it with USB from itunes/powerbook and SB3 (Bolder mod) > and is by far the best digital I have ever heard in my system. I have the Bel Canto DAC 2 which sounds good with my unmodded SB3 until, that is I compare with my Audio Synthesis CD Transport through same. With the CD transport while the sound very similar the CD transport is somehow less coarse in midrange (Piano, Vocals, Guitar etc) and gives the music more space and better soundstaging. Since the audio synthesis uses its own modified SP/Dif output to presumably clean up the clocking and reduce jitter I suspect that this is the key difference so logically would expect the Boulder or SB+ to be more like the CD transport. -- adrianh1960 adrianh1960's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5421 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
Mark Lanctot;181359 Wrote: > Well, where there's a peak, there will be a trough when you reverse the > phase. No, there won't. There will be a peak of opposite polarity. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
P Floding;181357 Wrote: > That sounds wrong to my scientific ears. Without researching the subject > closer, I admit. Well, where there's a peak, there will be a trough when you reverse the phase. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
Mark Lanctot;181355 Wrote: > Good point - reversing the phase will cause constructive and destructive > zones to trade places. That sounds wrong to my scientific ears. Without researching the subject closer, I admit. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
Anne;181352 Wrote: > You didnt reverse the phase on the sub by mistake ? Good point - reversing the phase will cause constructive and destructive zones to trade places. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
Put your sub in your listening position, thencrawl around and listen for the best response, thats where you put the sub. (ups, already mentioned, sorry.) You didnt reverse the phase on the sub by mistake ? -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
Mark Lanctot wrote: > Bass frequency sound waves are big, on the order of several feet. They > strongly interact with each other - if a peak hits a trough, they will > cancel each other out. If a peak hits a peak, they will reinforce each > other, producing overblown, boomy bass. To reinforce what Mark says, the speed of sound is roughly 1000 feet per second, the low E string on a bass guitar is ~~ 41 HZ. Simple arithmetic shows that the wavelength of a low E note is 1000/41 ~= 20 feet. So bass notes, without even getting into organ pedal tones, are really long. And when the wavelength is the same as a dimension of your room, or even a multiple of the dimension, it is very bad. The low E string on a standard guitar is ~ 82 HZ, which is about 12 feet. Up half an octave, and you are right at the 8 foot ceiling height of millions of rooms all over America -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
P Floding;181329 Wrote: > Have you read up on the subject? > Perhaps "large room" has something to do with this problem? > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=subwoofer+placement That first link refutes my advice, so best take a look at it before placing the sub. However I can't say I agree with their advice regarding placement always in the corner. Most of the time that leads to boomy bass for me. But I find it gets much better if I move the sub out from the corner a bit - even 6" is an improvement. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
chiefersone;181318 Wrote: > I'm looking at achieving the most/best subwoofer response from an older > Difinitive 1500 subwoofer through an older Adcom GTP600 > tuner/preamplifier. My SB is attached to the Adcom of course... I have > a large hard wood spacious room and I can't get the response from the > sub that I could in my downstairs room that was carpeted and hooked > through a low end Denon A/V receiver. The subwoofer should be putting > out more than enough bass for any application. I don't understand Have you read up on the subject? Perhaps "large room" has something to do with this problem? http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=subwoofer+placement -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
Subwoofer placement is crucial. Bass frequency sound waves are big, on the order of several feet. They strongly interact with each other - if a peak hits a trough, they will cancel each other out. If a peak hits a peak, they will reinforce each other, producing overblown, boomy bass. The bass you hear from a sub is a combination of direct sound and reflected sound. Depending on your sitting position, you could be in a zone of destructive interference (cancelled bass) for several critical frequencies. Since the wavelength is different, the zones of constructive and destructive interference move around for differerent frequencies. Here's something simple you can do - place the sub in your listening position and start listening to bassy material. Make sure no one's around because the next step is embarassing...pretend you're a sub! Move around with your ear in the same position as the driver. Investigate along walls and corners. You will find that the sound changes, you'll get boominess and cancellations as you move along. Settle on the best spot, where there's little boominess but no cancellation either - you'll have to judge. Then move the sub to that position. You can also investigate the Inguz plugin. However it's best to get placement right first, then use things like Inguz to go that extra (small) step. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modding the Squeezebox
slimkid;180921 Wrote: > I'm not asking for more details. I'm asking for the details that would > quantify and/or qualify the findings. > > And yes, you right, no one here has to deliver anything. Just like the > priest doesn't actually have to prove that god really exists. > > However, this is a public forum - the place where people exchange > ideas, opinions, findings etc. Value of anybody's statement is directly > proportional to the amount and quality of facts stated. So, I'm just > suggesting that such details are included in the argument, that would > actualy help others see for themselves. Do you really think mumbo-jumbo about how things sound will amount to credibility, and even proof? The hifi community don't even have a reasonable handle on why some systems sound good wheras others sound boring. There is no general concensus on what sounds good and what sounds like sh*t. You simply have to take each person's statement as his/her personal opinion. The same goes for any magazine reviewer -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32739 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??
EFP;181076 Wrote: > solipsism aside.. > what makes you assume I believe in creationism? > is there no third possibility, that humans have been here the whole > time alongside apes, for millions of years? > there is no fossil evidence that supports a monkey was my uncle. > > what really happened is aliens came to earth and settled atlantis and > mixed their dna with apes. the missing link is technology. > > it is obvious that people who consider themselves "Scientists" > can reveal themselves to be just as emotionally invested in an idea as > "Religious" people at the other end of the spectrum > > i did find that funny about Mr. Heston hosting that.. > damn dirty apes > > anyways.. sorry to drive this thread so far off topic > and sorry if the internet filter blurred out my sarcasm.. LOL. So thaaat is what really happened... -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] subwoofer reponse
I'm looking at achieving the most/best subwoofer response from an older Difinitive 1500 subwoofer through an older Adcom GTP600 tuner/preamplifier. My SB is attached to the Adcom of course... I have a large hard wood spacious room and I can't get the response from the sub that I could in my downstairs room that was carpeted and hooked through a low end Denon A/V receiver. The subwoofer should be putting out more than enough bass for any application. I don't understand -- chiefersone chiefersone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32851 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lossless Downloads
jmourik;181154 Wrote: > When you use the wma -> wav decode (wmadec) it will be 16 bits, not 24. > Which is why I used truckfighters method, using wmal2pcm.exe, then wav > -> flac... I had slimserver setup to to wma -> flac and wma -> wav, both worked too. I'm not sure how you know it's 16 bit in any of the cases. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lossless Downloads
seanadams;181147 Wrote: > It sounds like these files are not really 88.2 khz. What is the size of > the WAV file in bytes, and how long is the track in seconds? They are for sure, one of your support guys have one from me. His name is is Anoop, I think. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lossless Downloads
pfarrell;181192 Wrote: > I tried to see what selection they had, and got this: > > We're sorry, only Microsoft Internet Explorer is supported. > > so they clearly don't want my money. Should Read: We're sorry, it's much easier for us to scrutinize files on your hard drive and insert rootkits through Internet Explorer. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lossless Downloads
MusicDownloads.com uses DRM ... -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) -> 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) -> 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) -> 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) -> 'B&W 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
Ron Olsen;181176 Wrote: > Dunno, Ben; I bet the single biggest improvement was getting those > exceptional B&W 803d's! You would think so, but it didn't happen that way. I was running Energy C6's and they had always sounded like crap; muddy, boomy, etc. Started hanging out on the various forums and learning when I realized my 40 year old house didn't have very good wiring. If I turned up the volume the lights would dim. The old Energy's started to sound pretty good. That's when I got the SB and shortly after that I discovered that one tweeter had been caved in either by movers or kids. Thats when I started shopping for speakers and found the 803D online used. Got a good deal, they look new, no audible defects, etc. Picked up the amp and Dac and later got the Preamp. Can't imagine how crappy this would all sound with my old flimsy overtaxed household wiring. Now, having said all that, I'm also not convinced that this is everyone's problem. My house was a product of the late 60's, early 70's tract housing boom. Every house in my neighborhood is the same and they were all built quick and cheap. The power to the LR ran into the DR and part of the Kit. This was powering the sound system too. So, YMMV. Cheers! -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) -> 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) -> 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) -> 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) -> 'B&W 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
