Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Phil, Thanks for that. I might see if I can demo a DAC (with optical connection) at home. Am I right to think the X-DAC v3 uses a power supply, rather than an IEC? -- chobbney chobbney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Phil Leigh;246777 Wrote: The SB certainly goes down as deep as any CD player as far as bass extension goes. I definitely don't agree with this. However flat the SB3 measures, it sounds bass light on real music to me. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
I think you should consider the Transporter or SB+ rather than spending fairly large sums on external DACs and PSUs. IMV, you are quite likely to end up spending a grand, without actually achieving what's possible for that amount of money. I've heard the SB+ against a fairly inexpensive Creek CDP, and IMO, the SB+ was much better. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Patrick Dixon;246853 Wrote: I definitely don't agree with this. However flat the SB3 measures, it sounds bass light on real music to me. The biggest factors in bass response are the speaker response and room-modes. It doesn't make sense to try to correct these by using a source with a different bass response. What we want is sources which are accurate, including a flat FR, and then we can deal with the problems of each speaker and room on a case-by-case basis (change speaker, move rooms, improve room treatment and finally EQ). Otherwise you end up with a source tailored to one speaker / room and that is a small market. However, I agree with you about external DACs. I've decided to avoid S/PDIF and sidestep a whole world of debate. If I ever upgrade from an SB3 it will be an SBn/SB+/Transporter. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
darrenyeats;246867 Wrote: The biggest factors in bass response are the speaker response and room-modes. It doesn't make sense to try to correct these by using a source with a different bass response. What we want is sources which are accurate, including a flat FR, and then we can deal with the problems of each speaker and room on a case-by-case basis (change speaker, move rooms, improve room treatment and finally EQ). Otherwise you end up with a source tailored to one speaker / room and that is a small market. Sure - but that's not my point. Music is a combination of many frequencies all occurring at the same time, whereas a frequency sweep just does one frequency at a time. Hence you can have equipment that measures flat with a frequency sweep, but actually isn't with real music. This seems to be more obvious at the bass end, where the power supply simply runs out of steam, and the effect is not unlike putting a bigger/smaller power amplifier in the system. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Patrick Dixon;246868 Wrote: Music is a combination of many frequencies all occurring at the same time, whereas a frequency sweep just does one frequency at a time. Hence you can have equipment that measures flat with a frequency sweep, but actually isn't with real music. Isn't it strange that all those mathematicians, physicists, and engineers have been going around using Fourier analysis for the last 150 years? Gee, I guess they were too stupid to realize that sounds are a combination of many frequencies all occurring at the same time, and that invalidates everything they were doing! What a revelation! Sorry Patrick, but that just ain't the way it works. In fact, as most of us learned in high school, any sound can be decomposed into a sum of pure tones, which add *linearly*, period, end of story. If the frequency response of an amp and speakers is flat, so is the response to music. (We could talk about distortion, but that's not what you said.) Now, I don't mind if you don't understand that - I don't really care at all, actually. But when you go around spreading false information in order to hawk your products, that kind of gets under my skin. Have a nice day. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Patrick Dixon;246878 Wrote: But measuring equipment using single frequencies, doesn't actually measure the frequency response as it applies to music. A (bandlimited if you like) impulse response would be more appropriate. There you go again - more nonsense. For a linear system the impulse response contains -exactly the same information- as the complex frequency response. Why do you think every real speaker and audio component manufacturer in the world uses frequency response? I think you need to stop misrepresenting what other people say. I didn't misrepresent it. You just said the same thing again. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 through iTunes help
One reason I have both foramts is to use the m4a files on my ipod. But I do not really care whether I use the FLAC or iTunes library for Slim. I was running into challenges trying to set the music directory up without using iTunes. I am not a Mac guy by definition, but wanted to start playing a little and since the music files are all on nas I kept on getting the OOOSSS error aboutt he directory not working -- rhodyavphile rhodyavphile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
opaqueice;246876 Wrote: In fact, as most of us learned in high school, any sound can be decomposed into a sum of pure tones, which add *linearly*, period, end of story. Hmm, I think that's what I said ... opaqueice;246876 Wrote: If the frequency response of an amp and speakers is flat, so is the response to music. But measuring equipment using single frequencies, doesn't actually measure the frequency response as it applies to music. A (bandlimited if you like) impulse response would be more appropriate. opaqueice;246876 Wrote: But when you go around spreading false information in order to hawk your products, that kind of gets under my skin. I think you need to stop misrepresenting what other people say. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
opaqueice wrote: Patrick Dixon;246878 Wrote: But measuring equipment using single frequencies, doesn't actually measure the frequency response as it applies to music. A (bandlimited if you like) impulse response would be more appropriate. There you go again - more nonsense. For a linear system the impulse response contains -exactly the same information- as the complex frequency response. Why do you think every real speaker and audio component manufacturer in the world uses frequency response? I think you need to stop misrepresenting what other people say. I didn't misrepresent it. You just said the same thing again. sigh There you go, living in perfect theory land again. For a linear system - yes, you're right. But real world systems are not linear, and an under-powered PSU can often cause problems at low-frequencies. Which is all Patrick said. Try reading what's been said more carefully, and move on up into the real world. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Robin Bowes;246890 Wrote: But real world systems are not linear, and an under-powered PSU can often cause problems at low-frequencies. Which is all Patrick said. That doesn't sound anything at all like what Patrick said. But since it's actually concrete, let's address it. So you think the stock SB3 maxes out its power supply when playing bass-heavy music, and that can cause distortion. Odd, because a full-scale pure tone should draw MORE power than any music signal. Not only that, but (modulo variations in input and output impedance) the power is independent of frequency. (Not that it matters, since you could simply play a sweep to check.) Equally odd that SD/Logitech wouldn't think to test their PS and make sure it's sufficient! They must be real morons, huh? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Patrick Dixon;246852 Wrote: I think you should consider the Transporter or SB+ rather than spending fairly large sums on external DACs and PSUs. IMV, you are quite likely to end up spending a grand, without actually achieving what's possible for that amount of money. I've heard the SB+ against a fairly inexpensive Creek CDP (~£600?), and IMO, the SB+ was much better. What's an SB+? -- chobbney chobbney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
chobbney;246892 Wrote: What's an SB+? It's a rather expensive mod for the SB3 done and sold by... you guessed it, Patrick Dixon. So when you read comments like this, you can be absolutely certain they're unbiased: Patrick Dixon;246852 Wrote: I think you should consider the Transporter or SB+ rather than spending fairly large sums on external DACs and PSUs. ... I've heard the SB+ against a fairly inexpensive Creek CDP (~£600?), and IMO, the SB+ was much better. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
amcluesent;246671 Wrote: In the Squeezecentre (sic) nightly, the TP firmware is now version 33. I flashed my TP (but still with slimserver 6.x). How do you do that on the TP? For the SB I used the mike galusha's squeezebox firmware selector tool, is there something similar available for the TP? I have extracted FW 33 from the latest 7.0 nightly. -- Veggen Veggen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
Skunk;246678 Wrote: In the meantime, I'd surmise that the visual stimulation of a new interface is what led to the perceived improvement in sound. The re-naming may have been a factor as well, although people in the UK would probably notice a _decrease_ in SQ due to the misspelling. Skunk, I am neither a DBT'er nor a devout subjectivist, so I'm not sure to whom your comment is directed. I am still interested, however, in whether someone from Logitech / Slim can tell us whether any changes have occurred in v.83 which were targeted toward affecting the output stream. Unless you can tell me otherwise, I have not been able to find that level of design disclosure for the FW (which would either confirm or deny) anywhere on the website . So I'm not sure if your statement of perceived improvement can be taken for granted. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting Articles in The Absolute Sound
pfarrell;246629 Wrote: And they are nearly all guys. Look at the ads, they have beautiful women who will love you once you buy this thing, that wire, or some other amp. Are you talking about beer ads? -- rdb001 rdb001's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40707 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 through iTunes help
If Apple lossless is chosen for a Mac, should one or more stream formats be deselected for optimal playback fidelity? -- rdb001 rdb001's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Patrick Dixon;246853 Wrote: I definitely don't agree with this. However flat the SB3 measures, it sounds bass light on real music to me. Patrick - you've rather lost me there...if it measures flat...then it is flat - surely? Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Some of the above posts are classic myth creation. Just to satisfy my curiosity, how does the SB output a reduced bass response when used in my context. I use the SB into an external dac via the optical connector? Mike. -- mudlark SB3CyrusDACXPreXvsNAP140+260AKEFiQ7, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Gusty Gibbon server, linkstation for storage. DIY SB3 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeCentre7 mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 through iTunes help
seemed to run into an issue with 24/96 files, either m4a My experience (with Windows) is 24/96 AAC caused the server-side transcoder to crash out. The (long)workaround was to use Quicktime Pro to export the files as 24/96 WAV, then lossless compress to 24/96 FLAC. These were fine on the slimserver/TP and SB3 (with the SB's usual way of handling 96Khz of course) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone around Manchester/Stockport with a good low-noise power supply?
Quite. Mike. -- mudlark SB3CyrusDACXPreXvsNAP140+260AKEFiQ7, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Gusty Gibbon server, linkstation for storage. DIY SB3 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeCentre7 mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
I just checked with engineering and AFAWK there's nothing in the latest firmware that would have effected the sound. The update was mainly to improve syncing between players. Cheers, Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 through iTunes help
I have no issues with 24/96 FLAC, that I am creating through Audacity from 24/96 AIFF files. The issue I am having is when I use iTunes none of my hogher res files play, irrelevant of whether they are AIFF or m4a... As an aside, I managed to get the music folder to recognoze the nas volume through the mini, but I would still like to get the itunes stuff to work properly... -- rhodyavphile rhodyavphile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
Urrgghhh. Must...hold...myself back... I give up (the thread title bugged me too much to begin with). It's affect not effect. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
mvalera;246929 Wrote: I just checked with engineering and AFAWK there's nothing in the latest firmware that would have affected the sound. The update was mainly to improve syncing between players. Huh - how odd. There must be SOME explanation for the improved sound quality heard by so many. Maybe when you compiled the code for the final firmware update there was a Clever Little Clock in the room? That could reduce the firmware jitter. http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina41.htm -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 through iTunes help
Do you have your mini set to output 24/96? If not, go to: Applications - Utilities - Audio MIDI Setup and you'll find the settings for the digital output. rhodyavphile;246820 Wrote: I have recently purchased a Mac Mini to serve as my slim server and have seemed to run into an issue with 24/96 files, either m4a or AIFF. First question is, do I need to use Apple formats for iTunes usage? Secondly, if so is the intel base Mac Mini just incapable of what I am trying to do? I can play the AIFF and m4a files through iTunes to my Lexicon through the Mini's digital out, but it only shows 44.1 input. I do have duplicate libraries in both Apple Lossless and FLAC and the music is stored on network storage... Any thougts are appreciated... -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
opaqueice;246970 Wrote: Huh - how odd. There must be SOME explanation for the improved sound quality heard by so many. It's AudioCircle. You'll never in your life see a bigger bunch of +---+ |Filename: lemmings.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3806| +---+ -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
Lol, I'm glad I always keep a flotation device with me. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
Mine sounded better when I got the spelling to how it should be. +---+ |Filename: snpshot.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3809| +---+ -- mudlark SB3CyrusDACXPreXvsNAP140+260AKEFiQ7, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Gusty Gibbon server, linkstation for storage. DIY SB3 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeCentre7 mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
Phil Leigh;246921 Wrote: Aren't there published revision notes for the firmware? (or is that a secret?) Phil, I tried looking around but could not find anything like that. I may have missed it, though. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
JJZolx;246972 Wrote: It's AudioCircle. You'll never in your life see a bigger bunch of That doesn't look right at all - there's one with a flotation device! If you think audio circle is bad, check out audio asylum some day... it's aptly named. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
opaqueice;247024 Wrote: That doesn't look right at all - there's one with a flotation device! If you think audio circle is bad, check out audio asylum some day... it's aptly named. The regulars at Audio Asylum are heads and shoulders above those at AudioCircle. AC is comprised of far too many audiophile wannabes and posers. I have no problem with real audiophiles, but they're a dying breed. People who love the hobby, can actually hear subtle differences and don't mind telling you so, and who also don't mind telling the ABX idiots and objectivists to go take a flying leap. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
JJZolx;247025 Wrote: ...who also don't mind telling the ABX idiots and objectivists to go take a flying leap. Thank you. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which budget constrained DAC for SB3?
I don't think I have audiophile ears, but I'm able to distinguish $2-3k amps or speakers from $500-$1k ones. So when audiophiles say there is a huge difference, I assume ok, there may be a slightly audible difference. :) I recently got a Zhaolu D3, and tried A-B comparison with the internal DAC of my SB3. (SB3-glass toslink-Zhaolu D3-MAC ultra silver RCA interlink vs. SB3-blue jeans RCA interlink / both to my integrated tube amp and Triangle Comete speakers) Zhaolu seems to provide slightly clearer details and better imaging. But, what makes a strickly fair comparison difficult is the difference in their analog output levels. The output vrms of Zhaolu D3 seems higher than SB3 (2.1 vrms). The analog output level of Musiland MD-10 is 3 vrms and certainly higher than SB3. It may bring some illusion. I think Zhaolu D3 or Musiland MD-10 may be a better idea than a $250 cable to improve the sound quality of SB3, but the actual improvement seems to be subtle. BTW, does anybody know what's the analog output level of Zhaolu D3? -- smarco smarco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39892 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which budget constrained DAC for SB3?
smarco wrote: I don't think I have audiophile ears, but I'm able to distinguish $2-3k amps or speakers from $500-$1k ones. So when audiophiles say there is a huge difference, I assume ok, there may be a slightly audible difference. :) Give that man a cigar. Zhaolu seems to provide slightly clearer details and better imaging. But, what makes a strickly fair comparison difficult is the difference in their analog output levels. Louder signals means louder music, which always, *always* sounds better to humans. To test, you first have to equalize sound levels. Get at least a radio shack sound meter. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
JJZolx;247025 Wrote: I have no problem with real audiophiles, but they're a dying breed. True - they're mostly well into their retirements. People who love the hobby, can actually hear subtle differences and don't mind telling you so, and who also don't mind telling the ABX idiots and objectivists to go take a flying leap. I don't think they love the hobby so much as the status they think it confers. Nor do I think their hearing is any better than average - if anything, it's worse. What really bothers me about audiophiles is how they proselytize. It's as if their system isn't worth anything unless they can convince others how great it is. The result is a lot of misleading claims, some straight out lies, and a lot of wasted money on the part of innocent newcomers. All that said, there is something charming about such singular insanity, and AA is the best place to see it on full display. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is connected to your Transporter?
Just got my rack setup complete about two weeks ago. Here is what I'm planning: Transporter - Crestron CNX-PAD8a - AudioControl Avalon - Gallo Reference 3.1 with SubAmp I'm not sure if the PAD8a will introduce and sound issues, but it is there so I can also send the signal to other zones around the house. -- patrija patrija's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is connected to your Transporter?
TP - NHT Xd 2.2 -- Ken Rahaim Ken Rahaim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9526 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking for a small balanced mono amplifier...
Thanks -- they look very interesting. A little more powerful than perhaps I need and a little more expensive than I had hoped, but definitely one to go on the audition list. They even have a 30-day return policy. muski -- muski SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Transporter via XLR-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
