Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291545 Wrote: Unfortunately, wife is allergic to music. Have you considered a new wife? Or at the very least a large dose of antihistamines? :P -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
funkstar;291615 Wrote: Have you considered a new wife? Or at the very least a large dose of antihistamines? :P LOL a new one wouldnt hurt. Prolly time for an upgrade? Preferably one with a seperate power supply? -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291623 Wrote: Preferably one with a seperate power supply? There is inuendo there somewhere, but for the life of me I can't think what it is :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter
By the way, how big of a room do you have the 703s in? Could you have to much speaker for the size room they are in or not enough furniture/rugs/wall treatments to control excess upper and mid-bass reflections? Last thoughts on the Tranporter, could you take it and an SB3 to your local HiFi shop with a laptop? The entire room is about 24'x12' but only half is used for a listening/tv area the other area is using for dining. It's possible that I don't have enough furniture...I'm a bachelor :) I also thought about visiting my dealer as he's pretty good about letting me play with his stuff but the truth is I'm pretty happy with my setup the way it is. I left the Transporter playing all night yesterday and all day today while I'm at work. I don't believe in the concept of burn in but it doesn't hurt to try. -- george_k george_k's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2519 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46271 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. old Audiolab gain/sensitivity
Hi, Currently I have my TP connected via RCA to an Audiolab 8000S in pre/power mode which again is connected to an Audiolab 8000P and everything is bi-amped to my speakers. (I know, it's not true bi-amping, and although I at the time thought it was beneficial, I don't really know anymore) I've decided I want to have a go at eliminating the 8000S and running the TP directly via RCA to the 8000P. One problem is I don't know the gain and sensitivity of the 8000P. The Audiolabs are from the original series produced in the 90's. The official data for the newer series are here: http://www.audiolab.co.uk/model.php?id=3# Does anybody know if the data for the old ones are the same? I tried google but it isn't always clear whether its the new or old ones being refered to. And I don't want to blow up anything. Also I had a look at http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp and although I probably could understand it, I would be glad if anyone could just tell the attenuation setting I need to use on the TP :) Thanks for your answers. Bjørn -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46329 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity
Reminds me of Michael J Fox in Back To The Future ... -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. old Audiolab gain/sensitivity
bhaagensen;291675 Wrote: I've decided I want to have a go at eliminating the 8000S and running the TP directly via RCA to the 8000P. One problem is I don't know the gain and sensitivity of the 8000P. Does anybody know if the data for the old ones are the same? I tried google but it isn't always clear whether its the new or old ones being refered to. And I don't want to blow up anything. Can't help you with the 8000P data you're looking for, but it's not actually necessary to know it. 1. Connect the TP directly to the 8000P. 2. Before powering up the 8000P, turn the volume right down on the TP. 3. Now switch on the 8000P, and start playing something. 4. Gradually increase the volume on the TP until you achieve the loudest playback you're ever likely to want. (If you get to full volume and it's not loud enough, you need an active preamp). 5. Note the dB attenuation reported on the TP's display. This is the amount of attenuation you need. 6. Power everything down, open up the TP and set the internal attenuation accordingly. Provided you make sure you start with the volume right down, you'll be fine. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46329 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. old Audiolab gain/sensitivity
Thanks for you reply. Sound like a good idea. But I don't know how well it would work. Assuming the amps specs are: Input for full rated power: 1.0 V rms Gain: 29.0 dB at 1 kHz Rated output power: 100 W per channel into rated load impedance (8?), 150 W into 4? I believe I would need to attenuate -6dB to get line level matching. Using only the TP builtin attenuation I really can not get very close to this, either -10dB or 0dB. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46329 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291545 Wrote: Unfortunately, wife is allergic to music. You have upgraded your equipment. Now maybe it is time to upgrade the wife, or at the very least get a mistress that loves music! All joking aside, at least the wife lets you enjoy your hobby and even allows the buying of new stuff. Most of us cant have everything, so at least having a better half that allows us to enjoy our hobby is more then half the battle. After all these years my better half finally understands the difference between a boom box and good stereo understanding why something that just produces sound is not the same as a system attempting to produce music as it was actually recorded. I think over time good music reproduction grows on everybody and they begin to realize a boom box for what it is, a substitute of convenience or last resort! -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Duet + DAC versus Transporter
Jesper Pedersen;289409 Wrote: Hi' I have decent high-end Hi-Fi equipment, D-Link DNS-323 NAS and abot 10.000 FLAC files. I have two questions, that I would like to get some views on based on your experiences. (1) What option will give the best sound result for 2.000 $: * New Duet with external DAC * SB3 with external DAC * Transporter (2)I have read many nice things about Benchmark 1 DAC. But are there other better alternatives in the stipulated price range in your views? Thanks for your input and advices. If you can spring for a few more hundred dollars a Duet or SB3 would sound great with a Bel Canto e.One DAC3 D/A processor. I really enjoy my Transporter, but if I were going to get a DAC for the Duet or SB3 and could afford a Transporter, I would get the Bel Canto e.One DAC3. To noticeably out perform that combo, I think you would have to spend two to three times as much on a better DAC. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46064 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291339 Wrote: Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast it 24/7. Some Naim head who seems to be in the know told me to buy a pair 20W/8 Ohm resister and connect the two ends to the +ve and -ve of both the left and right channel and play music on it 24/7 I'm perplexed why you asked this here. The Naim forums seem the obvious place to ask. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. old Audiolab gain/sensitivity
bhaagensen;291738 Wrote: Thanks for you reply. Sound like a good idea. But I don't know how well it would work. Assuming the amps specs are: Input for full rated power: 1.0 V rms Gain: 29.0 dB at 1 kHz Rated output power: 100 W per channel into rated load impedance (8?), 150 W into 4? I believe I would need to attenuate -6dB to get line level matching. Using only the TP builtin attenuation I really can not get very close to this, either -10dB or 0dB. But how do you know what proportion of the 8000P's potential power delivery is actually needed in your system: ie. driving your speakers in your room, listening to your music at the sort of levels you prefer? Quick answer: it's almost impossible to know. Trying to work it out with calculations will take longer than just hooking the things up to see how loud you want to go and what attenuation is required. Once you have that info to hand, you can make some informed decisions about how to proceed. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46329 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. old Audiolab gain/sensitivity
cliveb;291759 Wrote: Trying to work it out with calculations will take longer than just hooking the things up to see how loud you want to go and what attenuation is required. Once you have that info to hand, you can make some informed decisions about how to proceed. That makes sense (again). I'll try and ask more later if things doesn't work out properly. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46329 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity
At least he moved the air conditioner condenser when he put the horns thru the patio door opening. -- MeridianMan MeridianMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2894 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] output inpedance of the TP
What is the output inpedance of the TP? Just trying to figure out how well it would mate with a Mcintosh MC402. regards, David -- wireless200 wireless200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] output inpedance of the TP
100ohms, from http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
Using firmware 40 depends on your specific situation I ran it for a month, and had only one, unrepeatable glitch. But then I'm not using all the options, the volume control isn't used, and I only rarely use the digital inputs as I have another DAC which I use for other digital sources. Most of the problems seem to center around these two functions. -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] output inpedance of the TP
Hmmm, that's interesting... the TP has a 100 ohm output impedance and the McIntosh has a 10k ohm input impedance (20k ohm balanced). What does this mean as far as sound quality. Matching impedances result in maximum power transfer so this doesn't bode so well, does it? I don't know exactly. -- wireless200 wireless200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What happened to the links?
Anybody know what happened to these links: http://www.slimdevices.com/temp/noise_floor.gif and http://www.slimdevices.com/temp/transporter_vs_benchmark.gif -- wireless200 wireless200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bi- and vertical-amping
Does anyone know of a good but simple article on this topic? Something in layman terms that doesn't require a dictionary and a bottle of Ibuprofen to get through it? Thanks. Pictures would be nice. :) -- SadieKate SadieKate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16805 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46354 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bi- and vertical-amping
SadieKate wrote: Does anyone know of a good but simple article on this topic? Bi-amping usually means putting an electronic crossover after the preamp. It splits the signals (stereo) into a high-frequency path and a low frequncy path, which are then sent to separate amps, and on to the speakers directly to the woofer and tweeter connections. To do this, you need speakers that can have their internal connection and crossover be bypassed. In theory, amplifying the treble in one amp, and the bass in another, will reduce distortion and make the load on each amp easier. You run separate speaker cables, so the audio signals don't have any chance to interfere. So you have one preamp, the electronic crossover, two power amps, two sets of speaker cables. I suppose you could extend this to three or four amps, if your speakers have that many connections, and your budget is sufficiently large. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] output inpedance of the TP
wireless200;291846 Wrote: Hmmm, that's interesting... the TP has a 100 ohm output impedance and the McIntosh has a 10k ohm input impedance (20k ohm balanced). What does this mean as far as sound quality. Matching impedances result in maximum power transfer so this doesn't bode so well, does it? I don't know exactly. You are fine here - you want maximum voltage (not power) transfer in line-level audio, so making sure the load input impedance is at least 10 times the source output impedance is the guideline here when using unbalanced connections. I believe it is the same when using balanced connections - anyone know otherwise? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bi- and vertical-amping
pfarrell;291869 Wrote: I suppose you could extend this to three or four amps, if your speakers have that many connections, and your budget is sufficiently large. Mine are quad-amped :). But you don't need an external crossover to bi-amp. It's not clear what the benefits will be, but if you have a pair of speakers with two pairs of binding posts you can disconnect the bridge between them and then use one two-channel amp to power the woofers and one to power the tweeters (horizontal bi-amping) or one amp per speaker (vertical bi-amping). This is horizontal bi-amping: http://www.rogershifi.com/images/tips-biamp.gif and this is vertical (the crossover here could be replaced with just a Y splitter cable): http://avforum.no/forum/attachments/hoyttalere/4385d1110469944-kan-noen-forklare-meg-biamping-tegning-bi-amping.jpg -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46354 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bi- and vertical-amping
opaqueice wrote: But you don't need an external crossover to bi-amp. It's not clear what the benefits will be, but if you have a pair of speakers with two pairs of binding posts you can disconnect the bridge between them and then use one two-channel amp to power the woofers and one to power the tweeters (horizontal bi-amping) I don't see any reason to do bi-tri amping without the external crossover. You'd be sending the whole signal to each amp, and on to the tweeter or woofer. What's the tweeter going to do with a 50Hz signal? In theory, it takes much less power to drive tweeters, so you could have a 20 watt amp for the highs and a 400 watt amp for the woofer. Mostly, I think this is really a way to prove that you have too much money. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bi- and vertical-amping
pfarrell;291878 Wrote: I don't see any reason to do bi-tri amping without the external crossover. You'd be sending the whole signal to each amp, and on to the tweeter or woofer. What's the tweeter going to do with a 50Hz signal? It won't see a 50Hz signal, because the (passive) crossover in the speaker will filter it out. But I agree that the benefits of this are not obvious, at least so long as the amps are not clipping. Mostly, I think this is really a way to prove that you have too much money. You might just have another amp lying around and want to try it. In my case I'm using a relatively inexpensive 12 channel distribution amp fed by an active crossover custom designed for these speakers. The amp plus crossover costs much less than many audiophile 2-channel amps. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46354 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bi- and vertical-amping
opaqueice wrote: It won't see a 50Hz signal, because the (passive) crossover in the speaker will filter it out. But I agree that the benefits of this are not obvious, at least so long as the amps are not clipping. OK, I'm missing something here. You remove the jumper on the speaker between the woofer and tweeter, bypassing the internal crossover in the speaker. Where is the (passive) crossover??? If you happen to have a spare amp or 12, sure, try it. Otherwise, this is just a way to make dealers rich -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] output inpedance of the TP
wireless200;291846 Wrote: Matching impedances result in maximum power transfer so this doesn't bode so well, does it? That's wrong - below radio frequencies, you want a low source impedance and a high load impedance. 100R into 10K is a good (and typical) arrangement for audio. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
