Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Signal Ground
To avoid ground loops Naim leave the signal ground floating on their pre and power amps on the assumption that a Naim CD player will be used. This does tie signal ground to the true ground provided via the power socket. As the Transporter does the same, then no problems are anticipated. I've just bought new Naim Pre /Power amps, and intend to use the Transporter as the only source, so wanted to be sure. Thr Transporter's great by the way! Thanks! -- DaveBk DaveBk... Transporter, Naim NAC112/NAP150, Monitor Audio Silver RS8's DaveBk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19277 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52412 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
opaqueice;338672 Wrote: > Try bringing an iphone near any powered-on stereo system (or computer > speakers, or telephone for that matter). You'll here this annoying dit > dit ditdit noise when the iphone is downloading data. > > Not exactly the same thing we were talking about, but it shows it's > certainly possible. yeah, imagine what it's doing to your brain every time you use the phone ;-) microwave cooking = power x timesetting and it's on the same freq as the phone... so when you call a lot you'll cook until well done. Now your body is supposed to keep up by repairing cells or replacing them or whatever but I think I know that this doesn't happen with braincells... you loose their content anyway. are we screwed or not? cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
Nonreality;338652 Wrote: > So what do you hear when you get noise from AC. Try bringing an iphone near any powered-on stereo system (or computer speakers, or telephone for that matter). You'll here this annoying dit dit ditdit noise when the iphone is downloading data. Not exactly the same thing we were talking about, but it shows it's certainly possible. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
DeVerm;338529 Wrote: > Oh yeah I believe that in a flash and I already wrote a couple times > that I can't even hear differences between 16/44 and, let's say, > 192kBps mp3! However, I'm afraid that many audiophiles don't consider > themselves just "consumers of recorded audio". The last sentence in > that report (differences audible at very loud volume setting) will add > to their conclusion and they will buy high-def whenever they can get > it. The test included many audiophiles. No winners. And the differences were audible even at high volume on only a very few discs - most SACDs had a noise floor above -96dB. As others have said, hi-rez had its chance and failed miserably. I'm not holding my breath for it to come back. > Now follow me here: They stopped developing analog techniques and all > but stopped distributing analog media (some vinyl still, but it's > content probably went through digital somewhere in the line and vinyl > is inferior anyway). If they would have developed analog techniques > (mostly at the consumer side as studio was pretty good already) to the > same level that they did for digital, incl. a better distribution > medium, analog could have been on par or probably better than digital. I follow you, I'm not sure I agree, but even if that's true, so what? Digital is far superior to analogue in many ways that have nothing to do with audio quality per se (like reproduction, storage, ability to transcode, etc.). So if analogue could equal digital in SQ, it would still be pretty useless. And since digital appears to be good enough, even if analogue had better resolution in some sense, it would -still- be useless. > The deep dark part you detected is that analog recording does provide > better accuracy by nature, without the need for fiddling, while for > digital it is an approximation by nature and they need fiddling to make > it good. That's just not true. Part of what Shannon showed is that noisy analogue channels with limited bandwidth have a calculable - and finite - information content, -just like digital-. A digital stream that exceeds capacity that can carry more information per unit time, and hence can be a more accurate representation of a physical sound. There is absolutely nothing inherent in digital that makes it less accurate than analogue. > Well, it's mine too! What's your favorite? Me: Bowmore 18yr old, > Tallisker and Lagavullin at a good 3rd place. I have 22 different ones, > most bought at the actual distilleries in Scotland! > > cheers mate, > Nick. My all-time favorite was a cask strength Caol Isla (Gordon and MacPhail's, maybe?) I bought once in London. Sadly it's long gone, but I currently have around 15 bottles - so I lose :-). Probably my all-around everyday favorite is Talisker, but I love both Bowmore and Lagavulin as well. I've never been to Scotland (or Islay even better) to tour the distilleries, but some day for sure... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
Phil Leigh;338588 Wrote: > I have a dual-trace 66 meg scope... > I'll have a look on the net. Scan through the timebase-settings so that you get up to at least 10 MHz. It's been at least 10 years since I used a scope... sold mine when we moved aboard ;-( Also, HAM shops will sell RF-blocking filters for AC feeds that are bothered with RF. They might only cost a couple of bucks... ciao! Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
Nonreality;338652 Wrote: > So what do you hear when you get noise from AC. I do run filters but > didn't notice any sound difference but my plasma display improved > enough to be noticeable. It got rid of the occasional blocks that > happen on screen changes. Any sound quality that I may have perceived > could be written off as imagination or wishful thinking. If you "see" a lot of junk on your AC, the next step would be to open up the audio-kit and "see" if that junk makes it beyond the PSU. If it does, measures like on-line UPS would not be a waste because guessing what happens beyond the PSU is almost impossible. If it's really bad, you could detect it by "seeing" it on the speaker-feeds with all the kit switched on but playback paused. If you don't "see" it on the speaker-feeds: that doesn't mean the noise does not distort music when it's playing. So, the next step would be encoding a flac (can't use mp3 because audiophiles don't use mp3;-) with a 1 kHz test-tone, playing it while "looking" at the speakerfeed. Repeat with more sample-freqs between 20Hz and 20kHz to make sure. When all is clean, the problem isn't audible but it could still hurt the kit itself. I'm so glad I live on a boat ;-) BTW: you don't sound like you're in your teens anymore so what does it matter for you? your ears are dead meat already, just like mine :) ciao! Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
DeVerm;338529 Wrote: > > > > Well, it's mine too! What's your favorite? Me: Bowmore 18yr old, > Tallisker and Lagavullin at a good 3rd place. I have 22 different ones, > most bought at the actual distilleries in Scotland! > > cheers mate, > Nick.How can you have 22 types on hand? I get up to 2 and for some reason they are not there anymore? Not good for guests but it seems if they are good they seem to walk away. I gave up on having a nice bar because they just don't seem to stay around. :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
Themis;338570 Wrote: > Sure I can : > > False fact #1: An amplifier with 0.1% THD @ 1KHz "sounds worse" or "is > not as accurate" or whatever else than another amplifier which has > 0.005% [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both amplifiers having the same S/N ratio and the > same > frequency response. > > False fact #2: A 1$ worth audio cable has no audible coloration in > sound. > > False fact #3: A DAC with 95dB S/N ratio "sounds worse" or "is not as > accurate" or whatever else than another DAC having a S/N ratio of > 110dB. Frequency response and THD being the same. > > Pseudo-scientists can be anything : diy-hobbyists, electronic > engineers, sellers, hifi critics.. . Not all of people of these > categories are such. The problem is that hifi is not a science and (as > such) it has no universal rules. The pseudo-scientists simplify truth > and are ready to throw to everybody's face their partial truth > disguised into a scientific, unquestionable, fact. Isn't it in how the science is used rather than if it's accurate? I mean the facts are right but the claims and conclusions are wrong. The science is there but it can be twisted to make people believe that something matters when in fact it doesn't. Like for example an amp with .2% THD @ 1KHz must be so much worse than than an amp with .005% THD @ 1KHz Way lower distortion, it's got to blow the other one away. It just makes sense. :) Unless you happen to know that the human ear can't hear distortion below (I think)1% you might fall prey to this kind of thinking. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
DeVerm;338540 Wrote: > I agree with SuperQ that a true-sine, on-line ups is the best solution. > > DCtoDaylight: that -is- a 1-box, easy to put in, solution. > > Nonreality: I wouldn't hear it as I live on a boat and almost always > have to make my own AC. Right now we are in a marina and we have > shore-power. However, we feed that through an isolation transformer for > safety aboard (boat is in salt water...) and the transformer acts as LP > filter. > > I'm not trolling, the on-line ups is a way better and cheaper thing to > buy than those crazy power-cords because it actually will provide clean > power, regardless of the question if you need any of it or not. It's > probably cheaper than "audiophile-rated" conditioners too, which > improve nothing over a well designed PSU inside your audio-kit. All > that these cords and conditioners can do is reduce risk from lightning > damage and all of the rest they can do is already done in the PSU's > inside good kit (but they falsely claim more). The UPS can isolate you > 100% from the grid. > > After reading some pages on wikipedia, I understand that the definition > of audiophile has changed over the years. They are now considered > non-technical, which makes me understand many postings in this forum > better. Within the group of audiophiles must be a minority who are > actually technical like me and obviously SuperQ. > > I'm also a HAM. I know that when I operate my HAM radio I will cause > distortion with my neighbours audio as they will be able to hear me > from their speakers even with all their audio-kit turned off! My RF > will also travel into the AC grid and affect people's audio a bit > further away. So yes, some people can have a use for clean power > because HAM's live ashore too and there's more sources for AC pollution > which can give audible results. I also think that most people in the > group that buy the conditioners and cables are not having any problems > at all and just destroy some $$$ they have. Makes me smile ;-) > > ciao! > Verm. So what do you hear when you get noise from AC. I do run filters but didn't notice any sound difference but my plasma display improved enough to be noticeable. It got rid of the occasional blocks that happen on screen changes. Any sound quality that I may have perceived could be written off as imagination or wishful thinking. It's a monsterpower (yeah I know not a popular name) but it was almost half off and seems to be very well made and provides nice protection and a clean way to plug everything in. It has various vidio and audio filters and like I said the video surprised me in that I actually noticed the improvement. But does what you see on your oscilloscope really translate into sound defects? How much does noise in power translate into noise in sound? I've heard both sides, a ton and very little unless you live in a very bad area. The main reason I bought the monsterpower was for surge and lightning protection, the other stuff was a bonus. I didn't trust the strips and after reading up on it, it seemed to be a nice unit the size of a small amp. Your idea of running all battery I guess might help someone with very high end equipment but I guess the question is where is the point that you will see the benefit? At least you are reccommending something that is useful and will work for sure instead of the magic cables and such. I just wonder how much the power in a good area affects the sound. Oh sorry about the troll thing, was thinking you were talking about a different idea, my mistake. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Signal Ground
All the grounds in the system (input/earth, chassis, PCB) tie together at one point near the power connector. This is standard practice for audio equipment and generally required for compliance with safety and EMI law. I'm not sure what you're saying about the Naim's requirement, but I've heard a couple strange issues before which were unique to NAIM. Some people use "cheater plugs" to lift a device's ground reference but it's not safe for you or your equipment. It's better to find the root of the issue. Have you encountered an actual problem or are you anticipating one? Can you tell us what the requirement says, verbatim? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52412 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Signal Ground
Does anyone know whether the unbalanced RCA connectors on the Transporter have their signal ground directly connected to chassis ground? I use Naim amps wich expect a single 'real' ground connection at the source end. Thanks -- DaveBk DaveBk... Transporter, Naim NAC112/NAP150, Monitor Audio Silver RS8's DaveBk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19277 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52412 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
@DeVerm Transcoding workaround mp3 flc * * [madplay] --output=wave:- --replay-gain=audiophile --attenuate=-0 --very-quiet --bit-depth=24 $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 --endian big --sign signed --channels 2 --bps 24 --sample-rate 44100 - Madplay get at http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
EnochLight;338417 Wrote: > Nothing like a healthy dose of sarcasm to start the morning off, eh? > You're in an audiophile forum - you think it's shocking that I would > recommend a proper archival format as opposed to a lossy one? He > stated he ripped his CD's so I assumed he still owned them. Oh and - > get off your attitude, "Nonreality." > > > > Well gee that's funny because part of my original advice was "make sure > the RCA input on your 90's Sony system isn't PHONO, as this could cause > a bit of a problem"... which turned out (gasp!) to be his problem. > > *rolls eyes* > > You're welcome. You were not talking about archival at that point in the post so don't pretend you were. It was your first comment to fix the sound problem or were you just throwing it out there to get something going? You'll also notice I said "you have to watch some of the advise" the key word is "some". You want credit for guessing the actual problem, Great Job! I mean it. You may have also not noticed that the post was not to you but to my friend Ralphpnj, who has played the attitude thing with me and so I was playing back with him from a past discussion. He would have known what I was talking about I believe and noticed the attitude was a bit of a jab at one of his posts to me in the past. Trust me, my ribs are sore from him. :) But hey, Thanks for the eye roll, the "gasp" and the lecture, it's been great! -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Phil Leigh;338581 Wrote: > Anyway, forget about SACD - let's enjoy the fact we can now get 24//88.2 > downloads - that might be a future to look forward to. I thought that we had just established that 16/44 was good enough?! SACD was (again) just an example, your 24/88 download is just the same: better than you need/can hear. Maybe even up-sampled from lower rate master just like they did with SACD, DVD-Audio or any other high-def thing out there... I really don't see the difference... surely you need new and expensive kit in the studio too compared to what you needed for 16/44... I think I will not try to understand it anymore and start with the single malts early today ;-) cheers, Verm. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Phil Leigh;338581 Wrote: > Anyway, forget about SACD - let's enjoy the fact we can now get 24//88.2 > downloads - that might be a future to look forward to.That's my philosophy, > too. I totally agree. :) -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
I have a dual-trace 66 meg scope... I'll have a look on the net. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
Phil Leigh;338567 Wrote: > Well, can these UPS's deliver 3.25 kW of continuous power? I might try > one that could... I actually owned a 48 kW version that would just fit into the room... I see many that would fit your requirements on Amazon, just search it for UPS and make sure you look at on-line (not line-interactive) versions. Searching for on-line got me only a small subset of what's there. However, be sure you need one before spending the $$$... have someone check-out your AC feed like an electronics hobyist or HAM who has an oscilloscope or spectrum analyzer. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Themis;338578 Wrote: > No, SACD was not better, it was simply much cheaper to the consumer. > First DVD/SACD combos offered the quality of CD players worth 10 times > the price.. But we couldn't stream audio like we do with SB/TP... And > thus, online sellers couldn't sell online SACD music. I bet it's MP3 > that killed SACD. ;) As I recall it died before streaming was a popular consumer pastime - but I know what you mean. Anyway, forget about SACD - let's enjoy the fact we can now get 24//88.2 downloads - that might be a future to look forward to. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
pfarrell;338572 Wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > > SACD is basically dead outside a few niche areas - and by definition > > this means it is dead as a mainstream format. Why? - because it just > > wasn't THAT much better than decent modern 16/44.1. > > And many were not any better because they were just made from DAT > masters at 16/48kHz > > SACD's DRM was evil, but also contributing was the requirement that > all > studios replace all of their digital gear with DSD stuff. Even my > small > studio had $10,000 worth of PCM digital stuff. The change over was > insanely expensive. If SACD had become mass market, it change over > would > have been painful and perhaps kill many small studios. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Good point, Pat. I feel your pain. I got out just before that became an issue for me. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Phil Leigh;338565 Wrote: > SACD is basically dead outside a few niche areas - and by definition > this means it is dead as a mainstream format. Why? - because it just > wasn't THAT much better than decent modern 16/44.1.No, SACD was not better, > it was simply much cheaper to the consumer. First DVD/SACD combos offered the quality of CD players worth 10 times the price.. But we couldn't stream audio like we do with SB/TP... And thus, online sellers couldn't sell online SACD music. I bet it's MP3 that killed SACD. ;) -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
honestguv;338218 Wrote: > I am curious about these pseudo-scientists and inaccurate facts. Could > you please post an example or two. > > Are pseudo-scientists loonies that are unrelated to scientists?Sure I can : False fact #1: An amplifier with 0.1% THD @ 1KHz "sounds worse" or "is not as accurate" or whatever else than another amplifier which has 0.005% [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both amplifiers having the same S/N ratio and the same frequency response. False fact #2: A 1$ worth audio cable has no audible coloration in sound. False fact #3: A DAC with 95dB S/N ratio "sounds worse" or "is not as accurate" or whatever else than another DAC having a S/N ratio of 110dB. Frequency response and THD being the same. Pseudo-scientists can be anything : diy-hobbyists, electronic engineers, sellers, hifi critics.. . Not all of people of these categories are such. The problem is that hifi is not a science and (as such) it has no universal rules. The pseudo-scientists simplify truth and are ready to throw to anybody's face their partial -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Phil Leigh wrote: > SACD is basically dead outside a few niche areas - and by definition > this means it is dead as a mainstream format. Why? - because it just > wasn't THAT much better than decent modern 16/44.1. And many were not any better because they were just made from DAT masters at 16/48kHz SACD's DRM was evil, but also contributing was the requirement that all studios replace all of their digital gear with DSD stuff. Even my small studio had $10,000 worth of PCM digital stuff. The change over was insanely expensive. If SACD had become mass market, it change over would have been painful and perhaps kill many small studios. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
Well, can these UPS's deliver 3.25 kW of continuous power? I might try one that could... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
(Chortle) thinks quietly of all the digital gear in studios since mid-80's (Eventide, Lexicon etc etc) before the tracks got anywhere near vinyl oops sorry I meant CD... Yes early CD's and players were generally rubbish. Now they are both much better. SACD is basically dead outside a few niche areas - and by definition this means it is dead as a mainstream format. Why? - because it just wasn't THAT much better than decent modern 16/44.1. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
DeVerm;338529 Wrote: > ain't no stopping it anymore as they will reach critical mass after > which it'll become more popular quickly. Not a chance. SACD had it's day already and died, RIP. The industry was pursuing its own interests (trying to introduce a unnecessary DRMed format) and the public has voted with their wallets. I'm glad the man on the street has one out over the audiophiles. DeVerm;338529 Wrote: > The deep dark part you detected is that analog recording does provide > better accuracy by nature, without the need for fiddling, while for > digital it is an approximation by nature and they need fiddling to make > it good. IMHO, much of the decision to start big on digital was about > earning more $$$ because everything had to be replaced at both the > professional and consumer sides and quality was much less part of that > decision as, in fact, quality when down for some time to come (AAD > sounded so much better than ADD/DDD, remember?). > I don't agree with this. 16/44 is good enough not because it is as good as higher rez digital formats but because it is good enough full stop. As has been clarified elsewhere digital and analog are both approximations -in their own ways-. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
I agree with SuperQ that a true-sine, on-line ups is the best solution. DCtoDaylight: that -is- a 1-box, easy to put in, solution. Nonreality: I wouldn't hear it as I live on a boat and almost always have to make my own AC. Right now we are in a marina and we have shore-power. However, we feed that through an isolation transformer for safety aboard (boat is in salt water...) and the transformer acts as LP filter. I'm not trolling, the on-line ups is a way better and cheaper thing to buy than those crazy power-cords because it actually will provide clean power, regardless of the question if you need any of it or not. It's probably cheaper than "audiophile-rated" conditioners too, which improve nothing over a well designed PSU inside your audio-kit. All that these cords and conditioners can do is reduce risk from lightning damage and all of the rest they can do is already done in the PSU's inside good kit (but they falsely claim more). The UPS can isolate you 100% from the grid. After reading some pages on wikipedia, I understand that the definition of audiophile has changed over the years. They are now considered non-technical, which makes me understand many postings in this forum better. Within the group of audiophiles must be a minority who are actually technical like me and obviously SuperQ. I'm also a HAM. I know that when I operate my HAM radio I will cause distortion with my neighbours audio as they will be able to hear me from their speakers even with all their audio-kit turned off! My RF will also travel into the AC grid and affect people's audio a bit further away. So yes, some people can have a use for clean power because HAM's live ashore too and there's more sources for AC pollution which can give audible results. I also think that most people in the group that buy the conditioners and cables are not having any problems at all and just destroy some $$$ they have. Makes me smile ;-) ciao! Verm. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
opaqueice;338303 Wrote: > http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=14195 > > So, based on the above (plus more than a century of scientific data on > psychoacoustics and the physics of audio) I think we can very > confidently conclude that 16/44 is good enough as a medium for > consumers of recorded audio. Oh yeah I believe that in a flash and I already wrote a couple times that I can't even hear differences between 16/44 and, let's say, 192kBps mp3! However, I'm afraid that many audiophiles don't consider themselves just "consumers of recorded audio". The last sentence in that report (differences audible at very loud volume setting) will add to their conclusion and they will buy high-def whenever they can get it. I think many are doing that already. I read some pro's condemn CD but give their thumbs up to SACD (probably got some $$$ from philips/sony ;-) so here you go, ain't no stopping it anymore as they will reach critical mass after which it'll become more popular quickly. opaqueice;338303 Wrote: > Now you seem to be claiming that there is some deep dark problem due to > aliasing or something that afflicts all digital recording. Without > more details I can't address that, but I can say I don't buy it :-). No, the aliasing problem was solved when they started oversampling and doing the anti-alias filtering in the digital domain. (the filter for the initial AD conversion is far enough above the 20 kHz so that it's imperfection is of no consequence below 20 kHz). They put digital in a higher gear to overcome the problems. Now follow me here: They stopped developing analog techniques and all but stopped distributing analog media (some vinyl still, but it's content probably went through digital somewhere in the line and vinyl is inferior anyway). If they would have developed analog techniques (mostly at the consumer side as studio was pretty good already) to the same level that they did for digital, incl. a better distribution medium, analog could have been on par or probably better than digital. The deep dark part you detected is that analog recording does provide better accuracy by nature, without the need for fiddling, while for digital it is an approximation by nature and they need fiddling to make it good. IMHO, much of the decision to start big on digital was about earning more $$$ because everything had to be replaced at both the professional and consumer sides and quality was much less part of that decision as, in fact, quality when down for some time to come (AAD sounded so much better than ADD/DDD, remember?). That said, I'm happy with digital as it is today, it's not why I made that analog/digital remark; it was in the context of people rejecting 320-mp3's because they sound inferior to 16/44 flac, which, imho is totally stupid because much more quality is lost by compromises made elsewhere... which they -do accept without question-. The analog/digital was my example but I should probably have used speaker-flaws instead. opaqueice;338303 Wrote: > Completely impossible. You must be hallucinating - I recommend > immediate medication (single malt is my personal favorite). Well, it's mine too! What's your favorate? Me: Bowmore 18yr old, Tallisker and Lagavullin at a good 3rd place. I have 22 different ones, most bought at the actual distelleries in Scotland! cheers mate, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Sikhar, NonReality, Hold on, hold on... as we're on SB forums we can imply that the people in this thread claiming to hear the difference between 320-mp3 and flac are listening on SB in which case things start to make sense to me and the people with those claims might be right after all! (did I just say that?) What I mean: what's the difference between a 256 and a 320 mp3? That difference might be unnoticable on SB because the errors of bug-id 6231 are more severe and mask the differences in mp3 bitrate. If so, the difference is back to 256-mp3 vs flac which at least is more believable. I still can't hear it but that doesn't mean someone else can't! Maybe bugid 6231 masks any improvements over 192 kBps mp3 or even lower??!! I'll eat that. So, after reading about the bug I would propose that someone who claims to hear the difference between flac and 320-mp3 takes that 320-mp3 and transcodes it back to flac and compares the two flac's, eliminating the mp3 decode bug in SB. If that changes his test-result, bugid 6231 was the culprit, if it doesn't change the result I still have a very hard time believing him ;-) For now, this bug complicates the matter enough that I would say that I stand corrected: I can believe some people hear the difference --when played on SB--. tjeezzz I can't live with the knowledge something is missing when I listen to my mp3's so how do I do SC transcoding on the fly? Re-rip to flac, here's EAC but... where's my CD collection??? (in boxes 7000 km away!!) oh... about the bug... surely Logitec can spend the $$$ to outsource this problem and have some geek-company write an optimal mp3 decoder. I my high-days I was hired for stuff like that for even lesser problems by way smaller companies... (and I charged the sh*t out of them ;-) now, let's play some mp3's while searching for mp3>flac transcoders... cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
opaqueice;338448 Wrote: > Amazing, isn't it? > > I suspect it's because cables are among the highest margin items they > sell. Don't you mean "Peddle"? -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, NAD C370, Thiel 2.3 Home Office: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, two VSM-1 Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
Nonreality;338354 Wrote: > I thought we were talking about cables not cars? ;) Amazing, isn't it? I suspect it's because cables are among the highest margin items they sell. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital loop with FW 62
Yup. Here all the options are on that page. If you have any other device (e.g. another SB3 or SBR), make sure the transporter is chosen in the left drop down. The digital loop options are obviously only shown for the transporter. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
swhite58;335500 Wrote: > Regarding your second question about pwered speakers, a lot of people on > this forum recommend the Audioengine 5 > > http://www.audioengineusa.com/ > > I can't comment as I haven't heard them. I can't find anyone in this > city who stocks them. > > Shane Second on the Audioengine 5's. I've got a pair wired directly to one of my Duet receivers and they sound outstanding! Excellent customer support (had a blown amp issue in the original pair) as well. Pete -- grrman Daily Gearhead grrman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16052 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
Nonreality;338375 Wrote: > This for a shelf system. Yeah that is the first thing you do. Get rid > of everything you have not knowing what rate that is was ripped at or > if he even has the albums. It's got to be those damn mp3's doesn't it. > Tell me Ralph, why didn't get your hackles up about troll comments? It > fit's your criteria. Instead you just shine it on and agree in a not so > subtle way. Nothing like a healthy dose of sarcasm to start the morning off, eh? You're in an audiophile forum - you think it's shocking that I would recommend a proper archival format as opposed to a lossy one? He stated he ripped his CD's so I assumed he still owned them. Oh and - get off your attitude, "Nonreality." Nonreality;338378 Wrote: > So it wasn't the mp3's that crappify any system was it. I hope you > didn't get rid of them off the advise you got here. Flac is the way to > go but nothing wrong with mp3's if they sound good to you. You really > have to watch some of the advise you get here... Well gee that's funny because part of my original advice was "make sure the RCA input on your 90's Sony system isn't PHONO, as this could cause a bit of a problem"... which turned out (gasp!) to be his problem. *rolls eyes* You're welcome. -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital loop with FW 62
Strange, I only have the volume and crossfade submenu in Audio.. Are you sure the setting must be there? -- Holland Holland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19849 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
sikahr;338379 Wrote: > Beleive what You want to belive. > > On my side, I can hear on my headphones SB generated noise on quiet > parts when listening mp3 on SB. When using transcoding that noise is > gone. > > That noise is about -60 dB. > > > cheers, NenadWas anything I said not true? The thread was not about mp3's on > the SB. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Beleive what You want to belive. On my side, I can hear on my headphones SB generated noise on quiet parts when listening mp3 on SB. When using transcoding that noise is gone. That noise is maybe -60 dB. cheers, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
rksingla;335463 Wrote: > I spent two days trying everything i could think of, and you all solved > my problem in like two minutes. I had been using the Phono input not > knowing that the amp treated that differently from othere input. I > switched to the Video input and it now sounds great. So it wasn't the mp3's that crappify any system was it. I hope you didn't get rid of them off the advise you got here. Flac is the way to go but nothing wrong with mp3's if they sound good to you. You really have to watch some of the advise you get here. The main reason to go with Flac in the future is that it is lossless and you can have a perfect archive of your music to make copies or convert to the new encoders of the futures. Not because they sound better than crappy mp3's. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for improving sound from SqueezeBox Duet
ralphpnj;335755 Wrote: > I'm guessing that the "old Sony Shelf system" is more likely from the > 1980's since back then phono inputs where still quite common. I had and > still have a very nice Sony mini-system from around the same era but I > don't remember if it has a phono input. I also think that adding the > Duet is a perfect way for the OP to "update" this still very usable > system. And if the OP listens to the advice about ripping to FLAC > rather than mp3 then the music will be "ready" for any future system > upgrades.The advice was to "To improve sound quality, for one I'd throw out > that lossy-MP3-ripped collection and re-rip it in a lossless format (such as FLAC). Part of your sound could stem from the fact that MP3 - no matter what bit rate - tends to compress and "craptize" any audio!" This for a shelf system. Yeah that is the first thing you do. Get rid of everything you have not knowing what rate that is was ripped at or if he even has the albums. It's got to be those damn mp3's doesn't it. Tell me Ralph, why didn't get your hackles up about troll comments? It fit's your criteria. Instead you just shine it on and agree in a not so subtle way. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital loop with FW 62
Go to Setting => tab page Player and choose Audio from the drop down menu. There you will find the relevant options (Effects loop input and Effects loop clock mode). Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
sikahr;338342 Wrote: > I didn't read this whole thread, but I want to say: > > Please don't draw any conclusions about mp3 quality based on experience > with slimdevices because slimdevices mp3 decoder have flaws/limitations > > ( http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6231 ). > > cheers, > Nenad You know I did back you before, that it should be corrected, but to say it's flawed to the point that it would cause you to judge mp3's over the sb badly is just a farce. You had to increase the volume to such levels to even hear the flaw that to say what you now say is, like I say a farce. I'm sorry that you seem to notice it with everything you hear but not a single person has said that it makes listening to mp3's over the SB a bad thing. It has nothing to do with the content of this thread. It wasn't about how mp3's sound on the SB but about how they sound on any system. You just couldn't resist getting this in again could you? -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
You have to be kidding here, right? This is something you actually hear and interferes with you music enjoyment? Yeah and I've been called a troll. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
opaqueice;338305 Wrote: > There are lots of potential problems: high pressure sales tactics, > false advertising, bait and switch, etc. etc. Many common practices in > cables selling at least verge on some of those. Whether they actually > cross the line is not for me to decide, but as I said I wouldn't be > surprised if there's a regulatory crackdown at some point. I thought we were talking about cables not cars? ;) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
I didn't read this whole thread, but I want to say: Please don't draw any conclusions about mp3 quality based on experience with slimdevices because slimdevices mp3 decoder have flaws/limitations ( http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6231 ). cheers, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
Is there any diff between the DAC on the SB2 and the SB3? I've got an SB2. -- GreenMan My computer -> SB2-> Krell KAV-300i -> pair of Thiel CS2 -> my ears -> my brain GreenMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1173 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
