Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Served music sounds better?
bhr1439;377475 Wrote: opaqueice;377328 Wrote: Highly unlikely. I have two cheap DVD-ROM drives in an old desktop, and they both read unscratched CDs with zero errors, at about 5-10X real time speed with zero error correction (other than what's built in to the redbook standard) or re-reading. How do you know? --Steve Accuraterip -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Served music sounds better?
DCtoDaylight;377469 Wrote: That's the reason that data CD's have an extra layer of data error detection built in. All CD discs (including audio discs .cda) use the cross-interleaved Reed-Solomon code (CIRC). They all have a third of data more. This allows CD player to read up to 2.5mm scratches without errors, that is -without -using the in-built interpolation algorithm. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW Lossless article
This is a nice article on Lossless v Optical Disc by BW: http://www.bowers-wilkins.co.uk/display.aspx?infid=3534terid=3537 I have seen lots of posts about some quite niche recording companies offering high quality FLAC files, what does everyone think is the main reason why the bigger recording companies have not started doing the same? It's great to have so many serious audiophiles on this forum using Squeezebox/FLAC to play music, does that mean that many of us have stopped investing in CD players altogether, or is the general consensus that for now Lossless file playing using SBs is mainly for convenience rather than serious playing? Would love to hear your views! Steve. -- swarduk swarduk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24bit/96kHz
ronaldg;377518 Wrote: Can you stream 24b/96kHz flac to the Duet and use an external DAC to play the file in full res? An alternative answer: you can stream 24/96 as 24/48 to the Duet+DAC and it will sound identical to the native 24/96 stream into the DAC... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57413 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW Lossless article
swarduk;377602 Wrote: This is a nice article on Lossless v Optical Disc by BW: http://www.bowers-wilkins.co.uk/display.aspx?infid=3534terid=3537 I have seen lots of posts about some quite niche recording companies offering high quality FLAC files, what does everyone think is the main reason why the bigger recording companies have not started doing the same? It's great to have so many serious audiophiles on this forum using Squeezebox/FLAC to play music, does that mean that many of us have stopped investing in CD players altogether, or is the general consensus that for now Lossless file playing using SBs is mainly for convenience rather than serious playing? Would love to hear your views! Steve. The world is divided on this point right now. However, things seem to be moving slowly but inexorably towards HD replay and away from cd spinners. The initial driver was usability/convenience (free you music) but now we are entering the area of improved sound quality. As far as high-end is concerned, we are maybe 2-3 years from the tipping point IMO. Some big players are preparing to drop their CD spinners... but the cost of HD solutions is still too high to make this a mass market proposition. When a single box HD unit is available from (say) NAD or Arcam at $1,000 or less the tipping point will be upon us. HD replay is probably where blu-ray was 12 months ago.. ? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Selling My Transporter
Hi, I'm looking to sell my transporter and the rest of my system including Bel Canto Ref 1000's and Dynaudio Focus 140 speakers. Any interest before I post on ebay. Cheers -- mushroomboy mushroomboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Selling My Transporter
mushroomboy wrote: Hi, I'm looking to sell my transporter and the rest of my system including Bel Canto Ref 1000's and Dynaudio Focus 140 speakers. Any interest before I post on ebay. Probably a good idea to say where you are and what sort of price you're looking for. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Selling My Transporter
Sorry for being a bit vague, just wanted to see if there was much interst out there. I'm based in Bristol, UK. Transporter (Silver) £900 Bel Canto Ref100s £1800 Dynaudio Focus 140s £800 + Dynaudio Stand 4s £150 All are boxed and in mint condition, happy to post for reasonable PP or buyers can collect. J -- mushroomboy mushroomboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Served music sounds better?
bhr1439;377315 Wrote: Hi, I'm the original poster on this thread. Thanks for the thoughtful comments, everyone. First off, I appreciate Phil Leigh's insights; he pointed out two potential mechanisms that could potentially generate an audible difference, reminding me that that both paths start with the optical disc. That is path A: optical disc -- Nakamachi CD player optical pickup subsystem -- decoding and error correction (single pass)-- synchronous bitstreams -- S/PDIF waveform encoding -- TacT 2.1S processor -- Mark Levinson 360S DAC path B: optical disc -- computer CD-ROM drive optical pickup subystem -- decoding and error correction (with optical drive retry, if needed) -- harddrive -- S/PDIF waveform encoding -- TacT 2.1S processor -- Mark Levinson 360S DAC Path B will likely generate the more accurate data, as it can retry reading bad data, wheras it's typical for a CD player to press on regardless and use tricks such as interpolation to bridge over known bad data. Different data means different audio, and it's reasonable to think that more accurate data will correspond to a more appealing aural impression. As a previous poster suggested, recording and comparing S/PDIF data should be able to confirm or reject the hypothesis path B data being a more reliable representation of the music. What I would expect to see is rock solid repeatability in the S/PDIF stream originating in the server, and run-to-run variability in the datastream originating from the CD player. Now, if only I had an S/PDIF recorder... Another point Phil makes is that path A has potential for a noisier S/PDIF signal, due to EMI from the CD player's electromechanical components. Noisier S/PDIF signal can result in increased jitter in the recovered data clock, and increased DAC clock jitter is known to make for a less pleasing aural experience. JezA strongly suggests that I try taking my TacT processor out of the path and seeing if that makes a difference. That's a reasonable troubleshooting experiment, and I will try that as opportunity permits. I don't expect a difference, though. That's because I'm using the Tact processor in digital-in / digital-out mode and there never is any D/A conversion occurring inside the box. True, there is clock recovery happening as part of the conversion from S/PDIF waveform back to digital data stream for processing, but I do not expect that jitter is affecting the integrity of the bit stream content (i.e., I do not expect misclocking of data and changed data words -- this would be HIGHLY audible as impulsive pops in the audio when it is converted to analog downstream). Also, the Mark Levinson 360S employs a FIFO buffer and locally generated clock that obviates the S/PDIF waveform (generated at the output of the TacT) as a source of clock jitter. So, no smoking gun yet that confirms or refute my impression, but at least there's a plausible (to me) hypothesis on what's going on. --Steve Steve - as a small aside the high-quality ASRC chips in the TACT are indeed doing a D-A-D process internally in order to change the sample rate and bit depth in realtime to 24-bit/184kHz for the internal DRC process. You can find in-depth discussions of the mechanics and implications of these chips elsewhere (Google). This is basically where the jitter-sensitivity comes in; even though it seems to be an entirely digital process...it isn't. Changing the TACT PSU and using adequate 1.5m spdif cables (the length is important) all help. But this is off-topic. The issue I thought we were discussing can be restated as Do transports sound different - and why could the SB transport be better than a CD mech?. The TACT is a red herring in this discussion!. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Served music sounds better?
bhr1439;377475 Wrote: How do you know? --Steve As Themis says, accuraterip - a program that computes a checksum from the file you ripped and compares it to the results that thousands of others have gotten. The odds of an accidental match are essentially zero. By the way, what DCtoDaylight said is also relevant - not every disc rips perfectly, even when new. But it's only on at most 1 in 20 new discs that I have a problem - and even then, it tends to be localized to one or two specific locations on a few tracks. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24bit/96kHz
Phil Leigh;377617 Wrote: An alternative answer: you can stream 24/96 as 24/48 to the Duet+DAC and it will sound identical to the native 24/96 stream into the DAC... How would one stream a 24/96 as 24/48? Is there a setting within SC? Thanks for the info. Ron -- ronaldg ronaldg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12713 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57413 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Selling My Transporter
mushroomboy;377674 Wrote: I'm based in Bristol, UK. Transporter (Silver) £900 Superfi are selling new for £1000 http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/search.doSearch.cfm?search=transporter -- Labarum Brian Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German Tower Loudspeakers. FLAC through Foobar, XP and ASIO Squeezebox 3 Classic Virgin Cable Box No FM reception for Quad tuner - but both digital radio sources are better Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Served music sounds better?
Themis;377561 Wrote: All CD discs (including audio discs .cda) use the cross-interleaved Reed-Solomon code (CIRC). They all have a third of data more. This allows CD player to read up to 2.5mm scratches without errors, that is -without -using the in-built interpolation algorithm. Correct, but data CD's have another layer of error detection, which further reduces the data capacity by another 15%. Audio CD's have 2352 databytes per sector, while CDROMs have 2048. The section on Data Structure on Wiki covers this in detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD#Storage_capacity_and_playing_time As Opaqueice says, poorly made disc's are not an overwhelming problem, I encounter fewer than he does, but they do exist. Also the problems appear to be poor metalization or pressing, so have a much larger defect area's than a 2.5 mm scratch. Tools like EAC and AccurateRip allow me to verify that I've got bit perfect rips. Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
Or just incompetent hacks? Tasked with covering the expanding audiophile music server sector, they each reveal an alarming cluelessness. These old dogs can't seem to learn a new trick, except for the one being pulled on the readers of their columns. Apple fanboy Steven Stone can't get his mind around the idea that RIPPING a CD is not the same as BURNING a CD: The Music Vault allows you to burn CDs directly into a music library. No, that wasn't a typo, because he repeats the gaffe a few sentences later: ...the Music Vault offers a clever way to burn, store, and access your entire digital music library. He seems oblivious to the fact that such devices have been around for at least 9 years and there's nothing especially clever about ripping a CD. Nor does he pick up on the idea that this $1500 Music Vault is nothing but a $500 PC in a different case. (Note to Steven: the term burn refers to the use of a (insert Dr Evil voice) la-ser. A small la-ser burns tiny pits into the substrate layer of a blank disc. Hard drives are magnetic recording devices and no burning is involved in storage or retrieval.) Stone reveals his Apple bias in another piece about Channel D Software: The limitations to the software are that it only works on a Mac (grin)... Why does he think software unusable on 90% of computer systems is something to grin about? Idiot. Robert Harley then shows that mastery of 2nd grade math continues to elude him. In a discussion of the PS Audio Perfect Wave transport he says, The transport has 64GB of RAM on-board, enough to store 4 minutes of music. Very close, Robert. You only missed by a factor of 1000. The correct number was 64MB. The $2000 Perfect Wave seems to be little more than an ordinary DVD-ROM drive, plus a small LCD touchscreen interface. It has no storage of its own, requiring a NAS for local storage. You will also need to connect the Perfect Wave to the internet if you want your files to include any meta-data. Still, PS Audio will offer a ripping service in which you can mail them your CD collection and they will mail you back a hard drive full of ripped files...essentially making the Perfect Wave transport obsolete. Nice. I'm still waiting for one of these nifty new music servers to offer something that a $300 PC can't do. I guess it'll be a long wait. Slim Devices' philosophy of separating the audio playback hardware from the cheap commodity PC hardware continues to be the more elegant, practical, and economical solution. Meanwhile, the audio industry plods into the computer age, continually repackaging variations on the 1999 ARQ1 while Famous Audio Journalists steadfastly fail to notice the scam. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
I think the WAF would be embarrassingly low for a device that had a chassis large enough to contain 64GB of RAM. Of course, that would be a small price to pay to have enough capacity for 4,000 minutes of music on the device. -- whoosh *Server*: Ubuntu 8.04 Server on old assorted hardware, now running SC 7.3.2 - 24422 *Main Audio*: SB Duet Audio Research LS2B mkII Audio Research VT100 mkII Soliloquy 5.3 *Work Audio*: SB Duet Jolida SJ801 NHT Super Zero's http://www.last.fm/user/megamucho whoosh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
Pale Blue Ego;377760 Wrote: Meanwhile, the audio industry plods into the computer age, continually repackaging variations on the 1999 ARQ1 while Famous Audio Journalists steadfastly fail to notice the scam. ... Or sells some obscur docks with an embedded USBSPDIF transformer for the price of a well-made CD player, and the same journalists acclaim it as fantastic... -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Served music sounds better?
DCtoDaylight;377727 Wrote: As Opaqueice says, poorly made disc's are not an overwhelming problem, I encounter fewer than he does, but they do exist. Also the problems appear to be poor metalization or pressing, so have a much larger defect area's than a 2.5 mm scratch. Tools like EAC and AccurateRip allow me to verify that I've got bit perfect rips. I agree with that. I had probably misunderstood your initial statement, then. I apologize. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
whoosh;32 Wrote: I think the WAF would be embarrassingly low for a device that had a chassis large enough to contain 64GB of RAM. Of course, that would be a small price to pay to have enough capacity for 4,000 minutes of music on the device. Well the computers I use at work have 64GB of RAM, and a couple have 128GB! They're not that big, but they're very noisy! Getting rid of the heat requires lots of air flow -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Explain this, please.
At the risk of being declared the fool on the hill, I have some questions/statements. To my ears in my rigg (with external dac): 1. Squeezecenter on Nas (Synology 107+128) sounds a lot better than on puter with XP. 2. Flac's streamed as wav sounds better then native streaming. 3. Squeezecenter 7.3.1 sounds wierd compaired with 7.2.1. 4. SPDIF sound better then Toslink. Help me, please, I really don't believe in this kind of shit but to my ears it makes a huge difference. Probably I'm imagining the whole thing or have a psykotic disease or something but it's driving me mad as I can't find any way to explain it to my self. And by the way, a happy new year to all of you out there. Cheers / Stefan -- itz itz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22488 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Explain this, please.
What did you do for controls, Stefan? Unless you controlled for level and experienced all of this double blind, it is likely that you are experiencing placebo effect on some of these, particularly those changes where the squeezebox or transporter is doing the final retiming and conversion. Bits are bits. If you keep the Squeezebox fed and are feeding it the same format, it should not care where the bits came from. After all, the BBC makes it all the way to you from the UK with a second of latency and maybe 0.1 second of latency jitter. Squeezecenter can buffer it and spool it to Squeezebox which has yet another jitter buffer. Squeezebox reconstructs and retimes the sample stream. All the jitter in the world (well until the buffer runs dry :) never reaches your ear, just that introduced by the Squeezebox itself. With this understanding, moving your music library from an internal disk to a NAS should have no effect on the sound coming out of the Squeezebox or Transporter. Some of the other changes such as SPDIF to TOSLink may. SPDIF is notorious for its jitter. But again, we are filling a buffer and regenerating the timing. I can see a difference resulting if the jitter is so bad that a bit is lost every now and again. This would cause actual errors or dropouts in the sample stream. The way around this is to use forward error correction by using Hamming coding or one of the newer forward error correcting techniques like those used in disk drives. Even if a bit is lost every now and again, the bit-stream can be recovered. I don't really know the details of SPDIF, only that it dates back to the beginnings of digital audio production equipment and is obsolescent. Bit jitter should not have a big effect on playback as long as all of the bits can be recovered correctly off the SPDIF waveform. The bit stream can always be buffered and retimed. The last device to buffer and retime the bit stream determines the pitch accuracy and sample jitter. What happens along the way is not seen unless the pipeline goes dry. Sample jitter is interesting. From my introduction to digital signal processing in college, jitter (non-uniform sampling in geek speak) introduces noise in the reconstructed audio. A classmate did his masters thesis on the subject deriving the effects of nonuniform sampling. My recollection is that he concluded that the noise was Gaussian for the sample jitter distribution that he examined. This would show up as a raised noise floor in the playback. It would be hard to notice a tiny amount of jitter on most program material. FLAC and Apple Lossless do give you back the original bits. Folks have verified this. I ripped an CD to one of each, loaded into Audacity, and played the tracks. I couldn't hear a difference. There can be a difference if you are not normalizing the levels or you are using different play back level management schemes. These can cause the levels to differ enough to fool you. I demonstrated placebo effect to myself some years ago. I bought some Nordost cables (the modest ones) to replace some way too long monster cable that came with my trusty DQ-10's in the early days of Monster. The difference was dramatic after the change. The next day, things were back to normal. I expected a change and, by Jove, I heard one. I'm not so quick to form opinions about a change after that experience. Interestingly, the woofer surrounds failed and I never noticed. I had a local pro audio shop renew the surrounds and the DQ-10s are still going strong at 30 years young. It has been 13 years so I've forgotten what prompted me to take the front panels off to look. My rig: SB3, Conrad Johnson PV-1, Gas Ampzilla, Dhalquist DQ-10s. Computer audio: Presonus 1394 and Monsoon Audio planar desktop speakers. -- dlhamby dlhamby's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Explain this, please.
itz;377810 Wrote: At the risk of being declared the fool on the hill, I have some questions/statements. To my ears in my rigg (with external dac): 1. Squeezecenter on Nas (Synology 107+128) sounds a lot better than on puter with XP. 2. Flac's streamed as wav sounds better then native streaming. 3. Squeezecenter 7.3.1 sounds wierd compaired with 7.2.1. 4. SPDIF sound better then Toslink. Help me, please, I really don't believe in this kind of shit but to my ears it makes a huge difference. Probably I'm imagining the whole thing or have a psykotic disease or something but it's driving me mad as I can't find any way to explain it to my self. And by the way, a happy new year to all of you out there. Cheers / Stefan Firstly you're brand new to this forum and secondly you've got a shopping list of statements to kick off a big argument. Whether you realise it or not, people are going to think that combination means you're a troll. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Explain this, please.
Yeah ! Happy new year to you, too, Stephan. ;) (giving troll lessons for free) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
When it comes to reviewing and writing about music servers Stereophile is light years ahead of The Absolute Sound. At least the writers at Stereophile know the difference between ripping and burning and some of them even know what meta-data is! But as sad as TAS's coverage on music servers may be, it is still way better than the trash that comes out of your average computer publication since at least TAS is concerned with sound quality. However, TAS completely misses the boat when it comes to price versus performance versus sound quality issues which, as all of us Slim Devices fan boys know, is where the SqueezeBox clearly leads the field. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Explain this, please.
darrenyeats;377848 Wrote: Hi Stefan, Firstly you're brand new to this forum and secondly you've got a shopping list of statements to kick off a big argument. Whether you realise it or not, people are going to think that combination means you're a troll. Darren It's proper 'Happy New Year' trolling though, don'cha think? :) Quality first post, I reckon :D -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, dCS Purcell, Ack Dac, Audion Quattro, Welborne DRD 300Bs, Lowther Big Fun Horns with PM6As adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57449 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NEW RULES: RE:Behavior in this discussion area
pfarrell;357558 Wrote: Nonreality wrote: What set this off? Just some examples so we know what heated stuff is? I must have missed something. Wake up, and see recent postings. There was more than a little nasty stuff. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ I don't visit as much as I used to and may have missed a bit of the flaming... but is the above an example of what we are NOT supposed to do?? -- kphinney SB3 (x2) and Transporter Rotel RCD-1070 CIAudio VDA-2 w/ VAC-1 PS JoLida 102B Omega Grand 6's AKG K501 kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Channel Islands Audio D-500?
I thoroughly enjoy my CI DAC. Great customer support too. -- kphinney SB3 (x2) and Transporter Rotel RCD-1070 CIAudio VDA-2 w/ VAC-1 PS JoLida 102B Omega Grand 6's AKG K501 kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dummy Guide to Digital HiFi
pablolie;360411 Wrote: I was asked by a number of people to put together a Dummy Guide to digital music, and also happen to know the people that publish the official series. I am interested to see if this very knowledgable forum has a few people willing to collaboratively put this together and co-author it, since the collective knowledge here is quite amazing (and superior to mine in many areas). If there are replies to this, I shall put together a collaborative work environment (webex connect if that works for everybody) and tell people how to access it in this very thread. I'd rate Skunk's posts as some of the most helpful in this forum. He can explain hi-fi fi-tech to a dolt like me, so if he's got the time I'd take advantage of him. Heck, I may even buy the book. -- kphinney SB3 (x2) and Transporter Rotel RCD-1070 CIAudio VDA-2 w/ VAC-1 PS JoLida 102B Omega Grand 6's AKG K501 kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
ralphpnj wrote: However, TAS completely misses the boat when it comes to price versus performance versus sound quality issues No, you miss the point, TAS thinks more expensive sounds better. They love cables that cost five figures and speakers that cost six. What I don't understand is why they don't have expensive cigars and single malt scotch to go with their favored products. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NEW RULES: RE:Behavior in this discussion area
kphinney;377855 Wrote: but is the above an example of what we are NOT supposed to do?? Sorry, in review, it was an example of being rude. Happy New Year, I'll try to do better -- pfarrell Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html pfarrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW Lossless article
Let me preface this by saying that I enjoy listening to music. In any forum except one dedicated to Audiphilia, that may seem to be a simple but telling statement. Here, it may sound as flat as one of those new knock-off Mullard tubes pushing a ripped speaker. The point the article is attempting to make (and I have no disagreement with their facts) is that data streams can, or will be able to, deliver more bits than a CD and more bits = more resolution. More resolution = better hi-fi. I'm fine with this too, but we've lived thru it before and I play with it all of the time: SACD vs. vinyl. About 30% of all topics on this forum say something akin to you need to listen and find what works best for you... or the like. 120% more data flowing form the ether-regions of the world thru my system and into my ears may _not_ equate to even a 1% increase in subjective quality reaching my ear/brain. A prime example may come from my own switch (or downgrade as some may say) from BW 704's with a 300w Rotel amp to my little Omega Grande full-range fostex speakers and a 25/25 watt tube amp. Nothing against BW - they gave me the foot up into hi-fi and away from the low end audio equipment I grew up with. Where I believe the BW philosophy will have a big hold is with the sub-audiophile crowd; imagine all of the masses having access to uncompressed 24/96 or greater. To quote the article: But the format#8217;s #8216;lo-fi#8217; image is somewhat ironic because digital music actually holds the promise of the highest quality of all, by making it possible to reproduce in the home environment a level of quality that is currently restricted to the very best recording studios. Music compression formats such as MP3 were first used simply because the maximum speed offered by dial-up modems in the early 1990#8217;s made downloading CD-quality digital music impractical. Fifteen years later, in spite of the widespread availability of hi-speed broadband connections, most digital music is still offered with compression, simply because the average user favours convenience over absolute quality. But this does not mean that digital music has to be supplied in a compressed format. Good job BW. I really do hope all audio manufactures - hardware, software, and recording artists alike -- pick up on this sooner rather than later. Oh, and for those who still don't trust downloaded music and want a copy on vinyl or CD... well, I gave up my fax machine and filing cabinet in leu of PDF's and a backup hard drive. My life is easier and much cleaner and I can find what I'm looking for. -- kphinney SB3 (x2) and Transporter Rotel RCD-1070 CIAudio VDA-2 w/ VAC-1 PS JoLida 102B Omega Grand 6's AKG K501 kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Channel Islands Audio D-500?
kphinney;377858 Wrote: I thoroughly enjoy my CI DAC. Great customer support too. Would you recommend the CI DAC for the Duet? Do you know anyone with that set-up? cheers -- KJaX KJaX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24bit/96kHz
As of 7.3 the server will transcode files which have too high a bitrate down to whatever the player can handle. As of 7.3.1 (IIRC) it will do it without switching to mp3 :) -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57413 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24bit/96kHz
Phil Leigh;377617 Wrote: An alternative answer: you can stream 24/96 as 24/48 to the Duet+DAC and it will sound identical to the native 24/96 stream into the DAC... Feeding the transporter directly into Meridian's Active 24/96 DSP-6000's speakers I beg to differ. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57413 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24bit/96kHz
This topic comes up quite a bit, I've noticed. And we see higher resolution music coming out a bit more too, from stores like Linn Music. Any idea when there will be a Duet2 that can at least pass through up to 196Khz? -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57413 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW Lossless article
swarduk;377602 Wrote: mainly for convenience rather than serious playing?For both, really... After I started using my Sb2 I haven't used my cd transport anymore. It's just way too convenient, and the sound quality is the same. And by now my ears are bad enough that I can't hear the difference between the SB2 into a decent DAC and a Wadia transport anyway. Good for me I guess :-) Of course I still buy CDs, but all I do with them is rip and store in the closet. So they are sort of my backup. If stores like Linn Music had more music I like I'd be buying there a lot more... Having said that, I do think there's still a problem for this to become mainstream. I recently got a Duet for my bedroom, but my wife still prefers just turning on the radio to listen to PBS, even though it's in the Favorites on the Duet. But it's still too techie I guess. And then sometimes it doesn't quite work, or it takes a while to connect to Squeezenetwork, or things like that. It's still not as easy as turning on that radio. I can deal with that, because I just think it's cool. But most people can't... Yet... -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
