Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
MichaelJ;617321 Wrote: When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind:it may be the beginning of knowledge but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the state of science. William Thompson, Lord Kelvin. Checkout my Touch Thread. Phil measured and proved it!! -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I had a look again into Playback.lua -the file where I lock the VC to 100%. If you look at the code and the mod, I'd 100% support all those folks saying that there can't (or better shouldn't) be any difference. You hand over the same value to a function decode. If you take the last value of the gain coefficients or if you apply a fixed value. The result should be 100% the same. That looks really trivial. Though this has been a known fact. My question would be what role the fade-in/fade-out function plays. That's probably the only function that manipulates the volume. In my case is turned off though. BTW. Q to any of the designers following the this thread: Is there a way to change prefs (e.g. logging) from commandline on the Touch. Where are the prefs and logs stored on the Touch? One more Q: Is the gain value array (consists of 100 fixed values per VC step) kept on the Touch only, or are these arrays also kept and communicated by each and every client? (Please excuse my limited lua knowledge. I'm just getting myself a bit deeper into it.) Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Phil Leigh;617410 Wrote: Can't comment on the V-DAC, but I have just received an MF M1... and it sounds preferable to me to my modded X-DACv3. Phil,just curious. If you don't think MF has good clock implementation and your X-DACv3 required modding, why did you purchase an MF M1? Or is it just for auditioning? So the MF M1 is clearly superior to your modded X-DACv3 - good to know as it is also less expensive. Sounds like it's a good DAC for the price. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
firedog;617428 Wrote:
Phil,just curious. If you don't think MF has good clock implementation
and your X-DACv3 required modding, why did you purchase an MF M1? Or is
it just for auditioning?
So the MF M1 is clearly superior to your modded X-DACv3 - good to know
as it is also less expensive. Sounds like it's a good DAC for the
price.
Too early to say yet how good the M1 is - I've only managed 2 hours
listening.
I am in discussions regarding having the M1 modded, but I'm in no
hurry.
I think that MF DO have reasonable clocks - but not GREAT clocks, and I
believe that great clocks are needed (and great, clean supplies for
those clocks). MF have good circuit designs IMO, but they are let down
by some less than stellar choices of components - they are built down
to a price point.
However, the basics are very good - the choke-filtered power supplies
generally only need diodes changing to hexfreds or schottkys.
Caps and analogue stage opamps tend to be cooking rather
gourmet...
If you want to know why I got the M1... it's black, not silver and the
rest of my system is black/maple and we've redecorated and...
{this is getting embarasing}
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103
- full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5),
Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber
8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables
Stax4070+SRM7/II phones
Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
magiccarpetride;617285 Wrote: Do yourself a huge favor now that you have the Touch -- apply ALL Soundcheck's mods (including ttvol100). You won't believe your ears! It'll make the Touch sound five times better (at least:) After doing that free and easy upgrade, if you have some extra cash, go for the liner PSU. I've already looked at the software mod ideas from Soundcheck - and even suggested one of my own which he liked. He commented on finding the right balance between streaming native PCM to the SBT in order to minimise the processing overhead on the Touch - but if you do this with large 24 bit files the balance may be tipped because the wireless decryption will consume more resources. Wired connectivity is better but you still have ground connections between the two devices to be concerned about (and you will need your NAS box or whatever on the same hi-fi shelf). My suggestion was to setup a separate point to point wireless connection to the server without wireless encryption eliminating the decryption overheads and the physical connection between the two. The jury is out (for me at least) when it comes to upgrading the power supply at all - especially considering the disproportionate costs involved. I say this because apparently there are switched power units 'inside' the Touch which then get carefully regulated, so what's the point when you can never completely get rid of this switched mode operation because it's wrapped in the case?! It's like when I emailed Arcam about a suggested power supply upgrade to their switched mode supply for the rDac (when I was considering an rDac) - they commented that they have engineered in massive amounts of power supply rejection into the rDac to the point at which we could not tell the difference between a reference on bench scientific power supply and the carefully chosen switch mode supplied with the rDac. So chaps - if you have an rDac - don't bother spending money on a fancy replacement outboard power supply. -- stop-spinning stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
stop-spinning;617432 Wrote: I've already looked at the software mod ideas from Soundcheck - and even suggested one of my own which he liked. He commented on finding the right balance between streaming native PCM to the SBT in order to minimise the processing overhead on the Touch - but if you do this with large 24 bit files the balance may be tipped because the wireless decryption will consume more resources. Wired connectivity is better but you still have ground connections between the two devices to be concerned about (and you will need your NAS box or whatever on the same hi-fi shelf). My suggestion was to setup a separate point to point wireless connection to the server without wireless encryption eliminating the decryption overheads and the physical connection between the two. The jury is out (for me at least) when it comes to upgrading the power supply at all - especially considering the disproportionate costs involved. I say this because apparently there are switched power units 'inside' the Touch which then get carefully regulated, so what's the point when you can never completely get rid of this switched mode operation because it's wrapped in the case?! It's like when I emailed Arcam about a suggested power supply upgrade to their switched mode supply for the rDac (when I was considering an rDac) - they commented that they have engineered in massive amounts of power supply rejection into the rDac to the point at which we could not tell the difference between a reference on bench scientific power supply and the carefully chosen switch mode supplied with the rDac. So chaps - if you have an rDac - don't bother spending money on a fancy replacement outboard power supply. As I've said many times, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with SMPS technology for audio when done PROPERLY - several top high-end manufacturers use it. The problems start when they aren't done properly... Both linear and battery supplies have their own issues. It's not about the technology per se, it's about the implementation in all cases. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;617424 Wrote: BTW. Q to any of the designers following the this thread: Is there a way to change prefs (e.g. logging) from commandline on the Touch. Where are the prefs and logs stored on the Touch? Log is written to /var/log/messages You can change log levels via the menu: Settings-Advanced Settings-Log 'audio.decode' is the channel that writes gain-values to the log. Looking into the 'LogSettingsApplet' (which provides the menu to change log-levels) the log config is saved to System:getUserDir() .. /logconf.lua You should be able to find that file by just searching for it. One more Q: Is the gain value array (consists of 100 fixed values per VC step) kept on the Touch only, or are these arrays also kept and communicated by each and every client? Guess the server has the same curve saved, because via cometd (the protocol used to communicate that a players volume should be changed) you set values between 0-99 (that's also the range/resolution of the volume slider of the Touch) SlimProto (the protocol that communicates the effective volume to each players) uses the range 0-65536 to transmit volume values (based on the volume curve). On the Touch the 0-65536 values are reverted back to the 0-99 scale, just to convert them again (using the same volume curve) back to 0-65536 (which is the range the audio hardware expects). The code looks like someone planned to convert one volume-curve to another, but that never happened. Anyway - my code review of all these conversion cannot spot any flaw (as can also be seen/proved in the log files of my Squeezebox). -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.x) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do things sound the way they do?
ralphpnj;617269 Wrote: There is a good deal of similarity between the adoration people have for Stad and Amati violins and the adoration people have for Clapton and, by extension, for his guitars. Just as it can be easily shown that a Stad or an Amati sound no different to the vast majority of listeners, it can be easily shown that Clapton is no better a guitar player than scores of other guitarists. So why all this insane Clapton-philia? Disclaimer: Obviously I'm not much of Clapton fan although I do like and enjoy some of his work. I don't disagree on Clapton. I of course grew up with his work, and I'm quite fond of Cream, the Blind Faith album, and Derek the Dominos. And of course all these bands had many other talents in them other than Clapton. In terms of 1960s era guitar players, I am extremely impressed with Jeff Beck, including much of his newer stuff. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do things sound the way they do?
michaelj;617345 Wrote: it saddens one to think that somewhere out there is a tiny village without its idiot. pmsl! -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
Spent the afternoon installing CAT6 cable running from music room to study (Music server). My WAP works using either of the two cable runs I've connected, however, my Transporter tells me there's no ethernet link. I'm guessing it doesn't support CAT6, right? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
I don't have a Transporter to test, but I'm pretty sure that anything that works with cat5 or cat5e should work with cat6. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
Problem solved - I hadn't seated the connector properly when plugging into Transporter. No more Ethernet over power - objective achieved. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24-96 problem.......Help
What's so hard to understand? Mario is using the Squeezebox Touch's internal server with a 500GB USB disk full of WAV files, and encounters rebuffering issues when playing the first track of a 24/96 album. -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86266 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24-96 problem.......Help
sebp...Yes ''rebuffering issues when playing the first track of a 24/96 album'' Why.?? when will it be solved? Thanks ;) -- pantapei pantapei's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44817 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86266 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
audiomuze;617511 Wrote: PROBLEM SOLVED - I HADN'T SEATED THE CONNECTOR PROPERLY WHEN PLUGGING INTO TRANSPORTER. No more Ethernet over power - objective achieved. Plugging it in does help ;) -- Stratmangler There is no element of personal attack in my response. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24-96 problem.......Help
I can't tell for sure, Mario, since I don't own a Touch any more. I believe I've read somewhere your problem *may* have something to do with some database performance issue for which a fix has already been included in the 7.5.4 beta. If you feel brave enough, you may give the 7.5.4 latest nightly a test. If you don't, best thing to do would be to give your local Logitech support a phone call. I have no idea when the final 7.5.4 version will be released, however. Good luck. Sébastien -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86266 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24-96 problem.......Help
Sébastien... Thanks :) -- pantapei pantapei's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44817 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86266 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24-96 problem.......Help
sebp;617549 Wrote: I believe I've read somewhere your problem *may* have something to do with some database performance issue for which a fix has already been included in the 7.5.4 beta. Found the thread : it's 'there' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=605938postcount=12). -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86266 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
All, Just a reminder that room modes lead to overemphasis or underemphasis of certain frequencies at certain locations in the room. Changing the position of your loudspeakers can mix up the reinforcement and cancellation effects from standing waves so that variations throughout the room are less stark. Once you've done that, experiment with the position of the general seating area to find a place where the bass response is most even. You might be surprised about what you can achieve. Then, once this is done, that's the time to use DSP if you want more. With optimal positioning and even with DSP, the room modes will still have a higher RT60 (longer reverb) than other frequencies. Bass treatments of some kind are usually a good idea to even out the RT60 in the bass. Don't get me wrong, my opinion is that DSP is a valid solution many times, at least when it comes to bass. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
I have a 25ft run of cat7. Works great. The only difference between the old cat5 and cat6 and 7 is the shielding. Greater bandwidth is possible with the better shielding. Not needed with the audio files we are working with. Why not do it though! I only paid about $10 for my cable. -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub slave amp, JPS labs power cords, Silver audio interconnect, Audioquest Granite speaker cable. earwaxer9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Lousy sounding CD's has been a fact of life for me as a 60's, 70's rocker. I can give numerous examples from the Stones to Genesis. Thin recordings lacking in depth. No 'meat on the bones'. I'm not sure if the LP's sounded better (in the time). I think they did. Due to several factors. Large efficient speakers (horns and 12, or 15 inch woofers) with tube amps was one factor. Not there now. Not a problem, just need to adapt. One blessing is disguise. It makes it easy for me to hear differences in the tweaks. Good tweaks will flesh out the bones. One album I really like - Sticky Fingers - The Rolling Stones. Nasty sounding CD, that is much more listenable now. I can say I even enjoy it loud. I know, I should be a classical fan. Believe me I have tried! I do like The Planets. Of course, what self respecting burn out doesn't like that piece! -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub slave amp, JPS labs power cords, Silver audio interconnect, Audioquest Granite speaker cable. earwaxer9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do things sound the way they do?
garym;617451 Wrote: I don't disagree on Clapton. I of course grew up with his work, and I'm quite fond of Cream, the Blind Faith album, and Derek the Dominos. And of course all these bands had many other talents in them other than Clapton. In terms of 1960s era guitar players, I am extremely impressed with Jeff Beck, including much of his newer stuff. edit: and to get back on track, I could instead say that I think Jeff Beck, is massively, unbelievably, earth-shatteringly better than most of his peers. The difference is almost as significant as when I change out a 3 foot audio cable for a 3.5 foot cable. ;-) I find that Jeff Beck sounds best with 1/2 meter long interconnects and 4 meter speaker cable. Using shorter cables makes Beck sound choppy and longer length cables make him sound overly rich. The sad part is that Clapton needs 1 meter interconnects and 3 meter speaker cables to sound best, therefore I tend to listen mostly to jazz, which luckily all sounds good with 1 meter interconnects and 5 meter speaker cables. Nothing ruins a good listening session like having to change cables and wires with each recording. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24-96 problem.......Help
With the fimware fab4_7.5.4_r9302.bin i resolve the problem Great Sébastien :) -- pantapei pantapei's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44817 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86266 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
F**k - Cat6e is a pain in the nuts to strip back and terminate. Now there's all that additional foil screen to deal with - that's gonna cost in installation time, and no-one's gonna be prepared to pay for the extra work involved ! -- Stratmangler There is no element of personal attack in my response. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do things sound the way they do?
I'll chime in about the difference of the images on a Mac(or any machine). Many decoders suffer from rounding errors or simply wrong implementations of a standard. Many jpeg decoders sacrifice accurate decoding for the sake of speed. The image might not be align correctly on the monitors pixels due to the browsers own logic. So the difference between Safari and Firefox(all undefined versions as well btw!): -non ISO compliant jpeg decoder -pixels not aligned on screen. This could be caused by the browser not putting the image in a nice spot. It could be caused by the rendering engine with its code deliberately rounding things to increase speed or to keep the maths sane. -other image tampering for whatever purpose the browser developers do. -any or all of the above could be deliberate or unknown bugs. The only thing that is known for sure is that it has nothing at all to do with a digital to analog conversion. It is purely different maths used in the two browsers. One said 7x7 = 49 the other said 7x7=49.1 or whatever. For what its worth I know nothing about violins but I would say the varnish is a very small piece to the overall reason for why one violin might sound better than the next. It might help a tiny bit but much bigger and realistic wins could be found elsewhere. -- bits bits's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Transporter compatible with CAT6 cabling?
earwaxer9;617571 Wrote: Why not do it though! I only paid about $10 for my cable. Why do it? The ethernet port on your transporter is only capable of 100mbit/sec, standard cat5 was capable of that over a 100m run. Would you replace the perfectly capable and fine power lead on your kettle for $10? -- bits bits's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86292 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q
Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound quality. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q
Can I respectfully keep my hand down depending upon the circumstances? :) Are we comparing cruddy thin gauge wire with a high quality much thicker stranded gauge wire, or a $1000 set with unobtainium coated connects versus a $2000 set with solid unobtainium connectors? Low grade thin gauge versus good quality thick gauge, yeah, you should hear a difference if your system is up to it. Where it gets hazy is when you start spending hundreds or thousands of $$$. Like so much in Hi-Fi, it is all about diminishing returns,, -- vrette 2 - SB Touch, 1 - SB Classic 2/3. vrette's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q
vrette;617582 Wrote: Can I respectfully keep my hand down depending upon the circumstances? :) Are we comparing cruddy thin gauge wire with a high quality much thicker stranded gauge wire, or a $1000 set with unobtainium coated connects versus a $2000 set with solid unobtainium connectors? Low grade thin gauge versus good quality thick gauge, yeah, you should hear a difference if your system is up to it. Where it gets hazy is when you start spending hundreds or thousands of $$$. Like so much in Hi-Fi, it is all about diminishing returns,, Stranding only helps when it's Litz. But even then the effect on audio frequency range is minimal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q
vrette;617582 Wrote: Can I respectfully keep my hand down depending upon the circumstances? :) Are we comparing cruddy thin gauge wire with a high quality much thicker stranded gauge wire, or a $1000 set with unobtainium coated connects versus a $2000 set with solid unobtainium connectors? Low grade thin gauge versus good quality thick gauge, yeah, you should hear a difference if your system is up to it. Where it gets hazy is when you start spending hundreds or thousands of $$$. Like so much in Hi-Fi, it is all about diminishing returns,, Yes thats the q speaker cables can make difference if they are technically unsuitable for that particular speaker :) so what kind of cable to wich speaker ? If you have low impedance planar speakers or similar. If inductance and resitance is very low it's ok, but you dont need to much $ to fix that, keep them short and thick. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q
SuperQ;617587 Wrote: Stranding only helps when it's Litz. But even then the effect on audio frequency range is minimal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire Interesting, but not really my point. My point: a high grade, thicker gauge wire is going to perform better, and thus sound better, than some thin gauge zip wire that you buy at Radio Shack. Anything more than that is probably a waste of money. It all has to do with the ability of the wire to carry the electrical signal AND current. Putting a skinny ass wire between a big ass amp and watt hungry speakers is like trying to wire your house with 24 gauge wire. The wire will not be able to handle the current and amperage, Cheap and thin speaker wire will inhibit the ability of your amp to drive your speakers properly. -- vrette (2) SB Touch, (1) SB3, Cambridge Audio 840AV2, 340T, DacMagic, BW 683, HSU VFT2-MK3, Logitech Harmony 880, SB Server - Asus E35M1-M PRO, Win 7 64 bit, and a bunch of other stuff... vrette's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q
Resist the temptation, don't feed the troll. Don't now if the trollscore goes this low, but I would rate it 0/10 -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
