Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
DRC Meridian style is doing things only below 300Hz and also take good care of the time domain. Rome nodes often resonate longer then the typical decay time of your room, so the DRC is not only compensate the level but the decay. When I did my setup I made several filters I can switch on or of with different target decay times one with the " right time" and some even tighter to use with very boomy recordings . And I can turn it off on the fly or listen to the different filters . And I also get nice waterfall plots :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Phil Leigh;690920 Wrote: > Or you could just use one sub AND drc... measures pretty flat in my > roomand sounds great too! I bet it does sound great. It's certainly beyond my expertise to try to argue that multiple subs without drc are better than one with (although I would bet that Geddes would make this argument). Of course, nothing is stopping anyone from treating their room, using multisubs AND doing drc all at once (except, time, motivation, money, and space ;) ). My experience with drc is that it isn't actually all that easy to do well, and takes a fair amount of commitment to get right. I would bet that getting 3 cheapish subs is easier for most people (I'm only using 2 now, but will add another sub or two at some point). -- totoro sb3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690891 Wrote: > I use the internal DAC of my digital amp, the Onkyo A-5VL, which > produces very good SQ, especially in relation to it's comparably low > price: > http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/a-5vl-34677.html Ok what was the statistic for your test ? How many trails per person and was what their result. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
JohnSwenson;690949 Wrote: > Klaus has grouped a bunch of changes together, some of which require a > reboot and some which do not. It should be possible to run the ones > which do not require a reeboot under Triode's framework. > > John S. Very few don't require a reboot. Yes you can change processes on the fly but this often leads to different results (from nothing to major audio artefacts like clicking) which don't occur with the same settings after a reboot (and process priorities set in boot order). A few processes re-prioritisations also sound immediately different as the buffer depletes, then the server/client renegotiate a connection up to a minute later and end up sounding very different to when they are first applied and the buffer is depleting. The few processes that do have an effect without reboot (almost never immediately - they seem to fade in) can be tested now (blind ABd even) with terminal macros. I spent my xmas break doing just that. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Thanks Chris for your explanations :) -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil how do you plan to use the XO audiolense functions? If I understand the thing, you would need a multichanel computer soundcard/dac (a computer) AFTER the Touch in the same maner as I use DCX2496 for crossover functions. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
thanks -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil Leigh;690952 Wrote: > I think the differences made by the mic and ADC are probably in the > final 5-10% range so I wouldn't worry too much. Which version of > AudioLense are you using? - I need to pony-up for the latest version of > XO, but that's quite an investment. My friend Curt tells me it is worth > it though... that will be my next upgrade, probably in the summer. > > regards > Phil I'm on Audiolense 2.0. As usual, please go ahead and tell us how it sounds with XO ;-) -- Quad Audio Room: Touch -> DacMagic -> Quad 77/707 -> Magneplanar 1.7 Living Room: Duet -> X-DACv3 -> Exposure 3010 S2 -> Rowen Absolute MONO -> Quad 21L Sleeping Room: Radio Quad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;690924 Wrote: > When recording sweeps for measurements with Audiolense, where do you > connect your PC to your system? Is it recommended to use the DAC as > external soundcard and a digital recorder (like Olympus LS or Tascam > Zoom) as audio input, both connected to the PC with USB? I have read > that not using a duplex soundcard can degrade quality of the > measurements, but is it still the case if using good quality DAC and > recorder? > The advantage of measurements with Inguz by playing sweeps from the > Touch was to correct the whole chain including the Touch. Is it not > possible with Audiolense? You do not need to include the Touch in the chain. 99%+ of what needs to be corrected is the speakers and the room. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Jeff Flowerday;690925 Wrote: > If using the dac in the touch, I have to assume the best results would > be having the touch play the sweep tones somehow someway. > > If you are using an external dac, I think plugging the computer via > toslink or spdif to the dac and playing the sweep tones with the > computer would be sufficient. It's actually not that critical - the analogue frequency response of the Touch is flat +/-0.5dB. It's really the speakers and the room that is being corrected for. I take the digital output from my Tascam usb audio interface into my DAC. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;690924 Wrote: > When recording sweeps for measurements with Audiolense, where do you > connect your PC to your system? Is it recommended to use the DAC as > external soundcard and a digital recorder (like Olympus LS or Tascam > Zoom) as audio input, both connected to the PC with USB? I have read > that not using a duplex soundcard can degrade quality of the > measurements, but is it still the case if using good quality DAC and > recorder? > The advantage of measurements with Inguz by playing sweeps from the > Touch was to correct the whole chain including the Touch. Is it not > possible with Audiolense? You are right it is not possible to use Touch to play the Audiolense signals! There is a touch plug-in called Waveout which permits that but it doesnt work if Inguz is installed, they are incompatible! Im using a Maudio external Firewire card. I send spdif signal to the dac and record it with the Maudio card. Yes Touch is not in the measured chain but it still gives very good results with Audiolense. What is important is that the speakers are equidistant from the mike (Audiolense gives you the delay between channels and this delay has to be very small, something like 0.02ms) Ideally to get the best results from DRC the room has to be acoustically treated and speaker at least roughly time aligned (if actively crossed). The results are spectacular! DRC corrects amplitude, phase and time alignment although only for the measured position. Chris PS duplex card is not a must but the signal must be generated by the analysing software (Audiolense) in order to build the impulse response. Theoretically Audiolense can accept imported files but I didn't succeed to make it work, i.e. to record trough Touch with Audacity for example. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Quad;690944 Wrote: > Mee too, I'm messing around with TT and PCM streaming. But I'm > completely aware that those small changes I hear might very well be > placebo and voodoo. If support for these kind of things would cease, I > would not think over my Squeezebox solution. On the other hand - after > my experiences of today - if Inguz would disappear, I would have to > take into account direct PC audio with foobar or JRMC. They both > support convolvers as well. So yes, this is certainly game changing. > > I already regret that I have not opted for the Earthworks microphone > and the Tascam 144MKII with a digital out. Like this I could be sure to > be on the high-end side. At the moment there is still room for > improvment (at least in my head). The analogue outs of the 122MKII with > ASIO don't sound that bad though... And the result of the mesurement is > stunning. Audiolense really does the right thing and it does it right. I think the differences made by the mic and ADC are probably in the final 5-10% range so I wouldn't worry too much. Which version of AudioLense are you using? - I need to pony-up for the latest version of XO, but that's quite an investment. My friend Curt tells me it is worth it though... that will be my next upgrade, probably in the summer. regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690872 Wrote: > I didn't say anything like that. Read again! That's one of the problems > in this forum btw. Some people seem to read hastily and answer to > posts, without understanding them, or they turn around statements > anyway they want, just to make them fit their own bill... Sorry for taking it the wrong way. But in response to Octavist's suggestion that people try out triode's ABX, 'you responded' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=690607#post690607) only wrt the TT mods, which was never part of Octavist's suggestion. So yes, "some people" seem to read too hastily -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690874 Wrote: > As I already said: The only TT-mod that works without rebooting is "tt > -k", which by itself doesen't make a big difference. But for me it's > not so important anymore to make more tests, because my friends and > myself (five people) did a blind-test and all five were able to > identify the Touch with the TT-mods (accuracy was above 95%). And all > the five of us concluded, that the Touch sounds better with > Soundcheck's mods. Why sould I do more tests, since I'm very happy with > my modded Touch? Klaus did a very good job indeed! Klaus has grouped a bunch of changes together, some of which require a reboot and some which do not. It should be possible to run the ones which do not require a reeboot under Triode's framework. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil Leigh;690922 Wrote: > Glad to have been of help. > > No idea what these folks messing with the TT mods are hearing in their > systems but I hear similar stuff to you when using DRC. Would you agree > that it is a serious - possibly game changing improvement? I realise > this is a rather leading question :-) Mee too, I'm messing around with TT and PCM streaming. But I'm completely aware that those small changes I hear might very well be placebo and voodoo. If support for these kind of things would cease, I would not think over my Squeezebox solution. On the other hand - after my experiences of today - if Inguz would disappear, I would have to take into account direct PC audio with foobar or JRMC. They both support convolvers as well. So yes, this is certainly game changing. I already regret that I have not opted for the Earthworks microphone and the Tascam 144MKII with a digital out. Like this I could be sure to be on the high-end side. At the moment there is still room for improvment (at least in my head). The analogue outs of the 122MKII with ASIO don't sound that bad though... -- Quad Audio Room: Touch -> DacMagic -> Quad 77/707 -> Magneplanar 1.7 Living Room: Duet -> X-DACv3 -> Exposure 3010 S2 -> Rowen Absolute MONO -> Quad 21L Sleeping Room: Radio Quad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690874 Wrote: > As I already said: The only TT-mod that works without rebooting is "tt > -k", which by itself doesen't make a big difference. But for me it's > not so important anymore to make more tests, because my friends and > myself (five people) did a blind-test and all five were able to > identify the Touch with the TT-mods (accuracy was above 95%). And all > the five of us concluded, that the Touch sounds better with > Soundcheck's mods. Why sould I do more tests, since I'm very happy with > my modded Touch? Klaus did a very good job indeed! I am very happy to accept that the Soundcheck mods create an improvement - I'm interested in why and how we can improve further The app is intended to help discover this and see if any further mods could be beneficial. I am interested in results from people who have a system which shows the differece between mods to see what their results for test 2 are. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Jeff Flowerday;690925 Wrote: > If using the dac in the touch, I have to assume the best results would > be having the touch play the sweep tones somehow someway. > > If you are using an external dac, I think plugging the computer via > toslink or spdif to the dac and playing the sweep tones with the > computer would be sufficient. My desktop is two floors above my hifi and my professional laptop has no sound out except for headphones. But I have an asynchronous USB DAC... that's the reason of my questions. Otherwise how can you play the sweeps through the Touch except by using Inguz... but then how to import in Audiolense? -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;690924 Wrote: > When recording sweeps for measurements with Audiolense, where do you > connect your PC to your system? Is it recommended to use the DAC as > external soundcard and a digital recorder (like Olympus LS or Tascam > Zoom) as audio input, both connected to the PC with USB? I have read > that not using a duplex soundcard can degrade quality of the > measurements, but is it still the case if using good quality DAC and > recorder? > The advantage of measurements with Inguz by playing sweeps from the > Touch was to correct the whole chain including the Touch. Is it not > possible with Audiolense? If using the dac in the touch, I have to assume the best results would be having the touch play the sweep tones somehow someway. If you are using an external dac, I think plugging the computer via toslink or spdif to the dac and playing the sweep tones with the computer would be sufficient. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Richard Reid;690843 Wrote: > Hi > > I am now the happy owner of a Squeezebox Touch and invested in an Audio > GD 3.1 DAC to hopefully get my hifi sounding pretty sweet. Unfortunately > no instructions come with the Audio GD DAC and I am wondering what the > best connection for sound quality would be from the Touch to the DAC. > There is the option of a toslink optical connection, rca conection or > coaxial digital connection (SPDIF I think ??). > > Does anyone have any recomendations on the best audio connection and > cable type for this setup ? The DAC came with an optical cable which I > have read is a bit average in quality. I have also read a few brief > comments stating that optical connections are not the best option for > audio. Any advice ? > > In regard to the connection from the Touch to my NAD analogue amp - is > there much difference in sound between rca cables ? What is a resonable > set worth ? > > Thanks > Richard IME Phil's advice is very good. I tried both digital and Toslink and in my system Toslink is clearly superior. The Toslink I use is a glass cable made by Lifatec ($60.00), which gives me excellent results. Among the moderately priced digital cables I tried, one made by Emotiva came at least close to the Toslink, but did not match it in terms of soundstage clarity and openness as well as noise suppression. Enjoy your Touch -- and the music! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
When recording sweeps for measurements with Audiolense, where do you connect your PC to your system? Is it recommended to use the DAC as external soundcard and a digital recorder (like Olympus LS or Tascam Zoom) as audio input, both connected to the PC with USB? I have read that not using a duplex soundcard can degrade quality of the measurements, but is it still the case if using good quality DAC and recorder? The advantage of measurements with Inguz by playing sweeps from the Touch was to correct the whole chain including the Touch. Is it not possible with Audiolense? -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Quad;690917 Wrote: > I successfully applied my first room correction file with > Audiolense/Inguz. All the room modes are gone. Bass sounds tight as > never before and strings sound silky. All this without changing the > overall character of the soundstage. > > I bought a Behringer ECM8000 with a calibration file together with a > microphone stand and XLR cable. A Tascam US-122MKII works as phantom > pre amp. My target curve is the B&K house curve. > > A very very big thank you to Phil Leigh! I wouldn't have had the nerve > to try this out without your findings and postings. Glad to have been of help. No idea what these folks messing with the TT mods are hearing in their systems but I hear similar stuff to you when using DRC. Would you agree that it is a serious - possibly game changing improvement? I realise this is a rather leading question :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
evdplancke;690903 Wrote: > Thanks for your very interesting post. So we can conclude from there: > 1) there is a benefit of using 48khz instead of 44,1khz because of the > reconstruction filter > 2) fanatics of NOS DAC will benefit from hires even up to 384khz > because the higher the fs, the flatter the sin x/x lowpass in audible > frequency band... > > Then what about a NOS DAC without output filtering (using ear natural > lowpass filtering): this would get rid of pre-ringing filtering > artefacts. Combined with ultra hires, wouldn't it be close to the > perfect sound? 1) IME Only very few people can hear the small difference between 44.1 and 48. I used to be able to 15 years ago when DAT machines were popular but I can't anymore. Even then it was a tiny tiny difference on my top end Sony and I couldn't in all honesty say it was really down to the filtering. It might just have been a better DAC. 2) All of the NOS DAC's I've heard sound uniformly dreadful in the upper mid and top end to me YMMVof course. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Or you could just use one sub AND drc... measures pretty flat in my roomand sounds great too! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
I successfully applied my first room correction file with Audiolense/Inguz. All the room modes are gone. Bass sounds tight as never before and strings sound silky. All this without changing the overall character of the soundstage. I bought a Behringer ECM8000 with a calibration file together with a microphone stand and XLR cable. A Tascam US-122MKII works as phantom pre amp. My target curve is the B&K house curve. A very very big thank you to Phil Leigh! I wouldn't have had the nerve to try this out without your findings and postings. -- Quad Audio Room: Touch -> DAC Magic -> Quad77/707 -> Magneplanar 1.7 Living Room: Duet -> Musical Fidelity X-DACv3 -> Exposure 3010 S2 -> Rowen Absolute MONO -> Quad 21L Sleeping Room: Radio Quad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
darrenyeats;690770 Wrote: > Would you care to explain? I appreciate your enthusiasm but what you > wrote is, well, logically not true without some basic qualifications. > Darren I think it is true in small rooms (where small rooms means rooms in any normal consumer sized space). The idea isn't to produce more bass, per se, but to distribute the sources so that they each excite different room modes. If done properly, this has been shown to result in enough cancellation that some/most of the room modes are smoothed out substantially. My understanding of this is that this is in fact always the case, but that you need either 3 well placed subs, or 4 or more placed pretty much anywhere. There are actually some papers on this (I think one by Toole or maybe Keele, and a white paper by Earl Geddes). -- totoro sb3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
evdplancke;690903 Wrote: > Thanks for your very interesting post. So we can conclude from there: > 1) there is a benefit of using 48khz instead of 44,1khz because of the > reconstruction filter > 2) fanatics of NOS DAC will benefit from hires even up to 384khz > because the higher the fs, the flatter the sin x/x lowpass in audible > frequency band... > > Then what about a NOS DAC without output filtering (using ear natural > lowpass filtering): this would get rid of pre-ringing filtering > artefacts. Combined with ultra hires, wouldn't it be close to the > perfect sound? To 1) there is still this theoretical filterproblem that even in real-world isn´t. It is only a problem for many because it is there theoretical. Can you hear the different filters acting around 20kHz? To 2) i never listened to a NOS DAC and many seem to love it while others find even the best NOS DAC sounds horrible. The music it spits out without sinc filter is indeed horrible to measure and for sure will benefit of higher sampling frequencies most. Now this is a case to wonder, even when the output is technicaly speaking pretty less precise it still may be sounding fantastic to some. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
Thanks for your very interesting post. So we can conclude from there: 1) there is a benefit of using 48khz instead of 44,1khz because of the reconstruction filter 2) fanatics of NOS DAC will benefit from hires even up to 384khz because the higher the fs, the flatter the sin x/x lowpass in audible frequency band... Then what about a NOS DAC without output filtering (using ear natural lowpass filtering): this would get rid of pre-ringing filtering artefacts. Combined with ultra hires, wouldn't it be close to the perfect sound? -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;690890 Wrote: > which DAC? (sorry for all the questions) I use the internal DAC of my digital amp, the Onkyo A-5VL, which produces very good SQ, especially in relation zo it's comparably low price: http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/a-5vl-34677.html -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690886 Wrote: > No, digital out (coax) and sometimes optical on my second system. which DAC? (sorry for all the questions) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;690881 Wrote: > Are you using the analogue outputs? No, digital out (coax) and sometimes optical on my second system. -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690874 Wrote: > As I already said: The only TT-mod that works without rebooting is "tt > -k", which by itself doesen't make a big difference. But for me it's > not so important anymore to make more tests, because my friends and > myself (five people) did a blind-test and all five were able to > identify the Touch with the TT-mods (accuracy was above 95%). And all > the five of us concluded, that the Touch sounds better with > Soundcheck's mods. Why sould I do more tests, since I'm very happy with > my modded Touch? Klaus did a very good job indeed! Are you using the analogue outputs? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Triode;690632 Wrote: > I think some of the TT mods can be made to work with the approach in the > blind tester, others which require a reboot can't easily though I am > willing to consider extending the app so state it persits across > reboots. However I do think its a valuable way to understand changes > whether its a batch of them or individually. The included test set > does also make a change which I would be interested in people's > observation of... As I already said: The only TT-mod that works without rebooting is "tt -k", which by itself doesen't make a big difference. But for me it's not so important anymore to make more tests, because my friends and myself (five people) did a blind-test and all five were able to identify the Touch with the TT-mods (accuracy was above 95%). And all the five of us concluded, that the Touch sounds better with Soundcheck's mods. Why sould I do more tests, since I'm very happy with my modded Touch? Klaus did a very good job indeed! -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
aubuti;690849 Wrote: > I don't think Triode, or anyone else, ever said that they tested TT-mods > (although it may be possible to incorporate some in the future). But are > you saying that the only mods that could possibly make a difference or > be of any interest are those in TT? That there isn't anything else out > there that could make a difference? Wow. I didn't say anything like that. Read again! -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Stratmangler;690867 Wrote: > Looks like a case of synchronised typing, Phil :D > > Chris :) Hee Hee! :-) Great minds etc... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Phil Leigh;690863 Wrote: > Hmmm... > 1) do not believe everything you read > 2) optical connections are/were used extensively in recording > studios... > 3) the usual and correct advice is to ignore dogma and try both the > coax (s/pdif) and toslink(optical) IN YOUR SYSTEM. The usual result of > this is that they both sound the same. A much rarer result is that one > will be preferable to you. > 4) Ignoring anything advertised in Hi-FI+ (aka "Modern Herpetology"), > the very best toslink cables cost £50-£60. The most expensive coax > cable can cost thousands. You will note I did not say "best coax"... > Perfectly good coax (e.g. Blue jeans) starts at circa £20... > Phil Looks like a case of synchronised typing, Phil :D Chris :) -- Stratmangler There is no element of personal attack in my response. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Richard Reid;690843 Wrote: > Hi > > I am now the happy owner of a Squeezebox Touch and invested in an Audio > GD 3.1 DAC to hopefully get my hifi sounding pretty sweet. Unfortunately > no instructions come with the Audio GD DAC and I am wondering what the > best connection for sound quality would be from the Touch to the DAC. > There is the option of a toslink optical connection, rca conection or > coaxial digital connection (SPDIF I think ??). > > Does anyone have any recomendations on the best audio connection and > cable type for this setup ? The DAC came with an optical cable which I > have read is a bit average in quality. I have also read a few brief > comments stating that optical connections are not the best option for > audio. Any advice ? > > In regard to the connection from the Touch to my NAD analogue amp - is > there much difference in sound between rca cables ? What is a resonable > set worth ? > > Thanks > Richard Instead of accepting that the optical cable is average on someone else's say so why not try it for yourself? You might be surprised. As far as analogue interconnects go it depends on how much you like parting with your money. I make my own using shielded dual core cable, and connect the screen at the source end only. Costs me around £20 in parts. A number of members here use Blue Jeans cables. Chris :) -- Stratmangler There is no element of personal attack in my response. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
aubuti;690849 Wrote: > I don't think Triode, or anyone else, ever said that they tested TT-mods > (although it may be possible to incorporate some in the future). But are > you saying that the only mods that could possibly make a difference or > be of any interest are those in TT? That there isn't anything else out > there that could make a difference? Wow. I read it as Soundman saying that the TT mods cannot be tested because they require a restart - nothing more. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Hmmm... 1) do not believe everything you read 2) optical connections are/were used extensively in recording studios... 3) the usual and correct advice is to ignore dogma and try both the coax (s/pdif) and toslink(optical) IN YOUR SYSTEM. The usual result of this is that they both sound the same. A much rarer result is that one will be preferable to you. 4) Ignoring anything advertised in Hi-FI+ (aka "Modern Herpetology"), the very best toslink cables cost £50-£60. The most expensive coax cable can cost thousands. You will note I did not say "best coax"... Perfectly good coax (e.g. Blue jeans) starts at circa £20... Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Triode is working on new USB drivers and probably some underlying stuff in also or the OS or whatever, he may have something he want to test there :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not > possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which > really makes the difference. I don't think Triode, or anyone else, ever said that they tested TT-mods (although it may be possible to incorporate some in the future). But are you saying that the only mods that could possibly make a difference or be of any interest are those in TT? That there isn't anything else out there that could make a difference? Wow. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
sckramer;690765 Wrote: > nah, these are easy mods worth a try (even the hardware), read a little, > then it takes only 10mins -- this thread sure makes it out to be a house > of cards though! doesn't it interest you guys though, seeing whether or not changes like this make any difference? it does me immensely. it is a form of education/ear training. -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Hi I am now the happy owner of a Squeezebox Touch and invested in an Audio GD 3.1 DAC to hopefully get my hifi sounding pretty sweet. Unfortunately no instructions come with the Audio GD DAC and I am wondering what the best connection for sound quality would be from the Touch to the DAC. There is the option of a toslink optical connection, rca conection or coaxial digital connection (SPDIF I think ??). Does anyone have any recomendations on the best audio connection and cable type for this setup ? The DAC came with an optical cable which I have read is a bit average in quality. I have also read a few brief comments stating that optical connections are not the best option for audio. Any advice ? In regard to the connection from the Touch to my NAD analogue amp - is there much difference in sound between rca cables ? What is a resonable set worth ? Thanks Richard -- Richard Reid Richard Reid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53871 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
