Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Andy, I agree. I did notice the noise floor(I think I may have mentioned this earlier) of the TP being marginally better than my SB3. Again it was very minimal. This along with maybe a bit of better instrument seperation, was about rhe only differences I could hear. In reality, its pretty amazing what the little $300 SB can do! Who knows someday, I may try another TP in my system as it evolves and becomes even more revealing. Thanks guys for letting me be honest about my findings. Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Transporter no longer available. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I am a poor salesman I guess:) I wantd to be honest and in fact in the right system, I dont doubt that the TP may be a step up from the SB3. Again, my opinion and YMMV. It was a lot of money for me to spend and unfortunately it has to go. I am sure it will find a happy home soon! -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I have dropped the price once again if anyones interested. $1385 plus fees...price negotiable somewhat:) Thanks! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
m1abrams;392574 Wrote: > I think because he said he purchased it second hand. It arrived new to me from a friend who receives Logitech products at a discount. This is the reason why I was better off selling it out right versus returning it. Sorry for the confusion guys. Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
agentsmith;392500 Wrote: > I am interested in getting one as a spare. THinkg about it... > > By the way, why cant the original poster return it? I thought there is > a 3 weeks trial/ Agentsmith, PM sent -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Dave, Probably a valid point, but I did spend quite a few hours listening back and forth and to me the price difference between the two was the main deciding factor. Sure, I "may" of heard differences the longer i listened to the TP in my system, but to me the money can be spent other places which will net me a larger improvement. Again, personal preferences and YMMV. I cant believe no ones interested in a practically brand new TP for just over $1400:) -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Update: I have lowered the price of my Transporter to $1450 plus S&H fees if anyone is interested? Again, it is brand new, and arrived only a week ago. I used it maybe 2-3 hours and it went back in the original box/wrapping. Thank! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
agentsmith;390099 Wrote: > Sorry I did not read thru the whole thread. So you did not think it > made enough of a difference. > > Like I said, A/B test of source component is always inconclusive for > me. But I guess if you are content with what you already had than good > for you. It just was not a noticebale enough improvement for me in my setup to justify the cost difference between the SB3 & TP. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
tcutting;390087 Wrote: > If you got it new from Logitech, don't you have a 30 day trial? I actually received it from a friend who got it discounted through his work. Sorry for the confusion. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Forgot to post this: Transporter for sale link on audiogon: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlconv&1238023969&/Logitech/Slim-Devices-transpor -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Gazjam;389933 Wrote: > Wow! > > And thats using the SB3s own internal Dac... > Good to know my SB3 through a my DAC is a viable hifi source. > > > Good luck with the sale Brandon! > Shame your going to take a hit on what you paid for it though... Thanks! Maybe someone with a more revealing setup or better ears will appreciate this neat piece of equipment:) If money was not an object, i would have kept it, but the money can now go for a different upgrade elsewhere. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
well here are my thoughts after the TP arrived. I hooked the TP up to my 2ch proceed preamp via the analog connections just as i had my current SB3 connected to utilize their internal DACS. I then level matched the Sb & TP so my wife and I would not be fooled by which is better/worse based on how loud one might be. We both listened to dozens of differenent tracks and we both switched the input back/forth between the two. To be perfectly honest, I struggled to notice a difference. I believe the TP had a quieter noise floor and maybe a bit warmer/natural sound but again very very minimal differences. I realized that day how well the SB3 performs considering its cost compared to the TP. therefore I am selling the TP and keeping the SB. Its Brand new, silver, and was only used for less than a few hours. All oringinal packaging & etc are included. I would like to get around $1550 plus shipping costs & etc for it. Thanks, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Phil Leigh;385763 Wrote: > Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that there HAS to be a > straight line correlation between cost and quality, Keep an open mind! You are right. That is why I and i alone need to make the decision on what improvment(if any) the transporter will make in my setup. You guys have all been very helpful and level headed. Its too easy to get carried away in this hobby:) -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
darrenyeats;385743 Wrote: > Ah Themis, I was waiting for your post. :) > > How something sounds, or whether it sounds different at all, can be > debated endlessly and often it is around here. :) Where Slim Devices > score IMO is that they back it up at each price point with -measurable- > performance which makes them one of the Good Guys in my book. > Darren Good to know, thanks! If there is some measureable difference(in a good way), I will be very happy /impressed. To me the SB3 does sound good, but its tough to believe for $300, there is not room for improvement. Now, I hope to get the darn thing sometime end of next week so I can hear it:) -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bludragon;385573 Wrote: > DACs definately do not sound the same, and the transporter should be > significantlty better than what you currently have. However, you > should be aware that the differences between DACs can actually be quite > subtle and something you tend to notice more over a period of time > rather than something that jumps out at you immediatly. If there is a > striking difference, then it is likely that one of them is doing > something wrong. In my opinion though, a better source is definatly > worth persuing, as although the differences can be much more subtle > than something like a change in speakers, over time they seem to be > just as, if not more important, in creating an enjoyable sound. This makes sense. I would not expect to hear a sizeable difference but more subtle over time as you have mentioned. I am content with nearly every other chain of my system, this is one last area I want to try. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Interesting thoughts. I would have thought some of the replies would have been the opposite. Truly I do hope to notice a difference (hopefully improvement) when the transporter arrives. I just was more intimidated by all the folks who feel strongly that DAC's are all the same. Any more thoughts from either side of the fence:) Enjoy your weekend! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Hello all, I have been very happy with my current SB3 since i got it in the fall. I fell upon an opportunity to pick up a reasonably priced Transporter to replace the SB3. My situation is this, I read and read that one group of people believe a better DAC will be noticeable in a mid-upper level system, while others believe a DAC is a DAC, they all do the same and sound the same. I plan to test both while there in my setup but i am seeking some opinions. As a reference point my setup is this: Ascend Sierras for main speakers Proceed Amp3 for fronts Proceed Preamp Oppo 980 SB3 The oppo & SB3 DAC's are in use due to the analog preamp. So ultimately I am wondering will the Transporter be an improvement over the DAC's in each of my current pieces being it can use its own for streaming files & other digital inputs. I just wanted to hear some thoughts before it arrives. Thanks guys! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
i know this is not the appropriate location for this question, but since i have the thread going I will ask it here. I will be most likely buying the SB3 very soon and already downloaded the squeezecenter software last night to try out. It found all my music & etc just fine. I thought I had read somewhere that it will find Windows media player 11 playlists? I have spent a lot of time organizing this playlist with album art, tags, & etc. Is it possible to use this exsistng playlist for the SB or do I need to create a new compatible one. I know it recognizes Itunes playlists, but I only have playlists on the ipod itself not on the pc. Thanks again guys, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
pablolie, I do plan on auditioning a deperate DAC in mysystem some time down the road. For now, I am really just looking to get the best analog performance from a streamer that i can for my price point. The xbox 360 just sounds to dull and lifeless in comparison to the same tracks from a CD. I am hoping to snag a SB3 to try out and see what improvements i can gain in that regard. I also don't have to turn the darn Tv on just to start media center & pick a playlist:) For the money & convenience the SB3 looks to be the best choice so far. Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
Bob, Thanks for the clarification between the 2 units. So are the "audiophiles" saying the SB3 is better than the SBR or vice versa? As for the oppo 980, I love it so far. I came from owning the 970 also. I have used it for both SACD, DVD-A, and CD's. The osund is very good and the DAC's do a great job considering its price point. I will be using it for Multi ch music via HDMI to my yamaha 2600 receiver and its analog outs into my 2 ch pre-amp. I think the differences between these oppos and higher end CD players would be very small and difficult to hear. You have to pay alot in order to get that last few percent of sonic bliss, probably:) Later, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
Malor, Thanks for the help. I figured that the conversion from 44.1 to 48khz was the downfall for the xbox. Its funny you mention that "it sounds like someone through a towel over the speakers" because thats how i felt when I compared the 360 to my CD player. I had mentioned the sound was "dull" in my first post and you also feel the same way. What is the difference between the classic & new SB? The site only shows the classic now anyway with burr brown DACS as you mentioned. Has the newer unit took a step down in any way? I may try to score a deal on a used one to save a few bucks too:) Thanks! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
I am thinking based on the design of the Squeezebox, it should exceed the 360 in terms of audio performance. In general, how does streaming lossless files across the SB3 using its analog outs compare to playing the same tracks on a CD using something comparable to my oppo? I truly feel the xbox is to blame in my current setup. The CD sounds so much fuller & crip in comparison. I am very intersted in the SB3 and will probably pick one up very soon. Also, I have read many people mod the different units for improved SQ, would it make more sense to mod the SB or buy a sepearte DAC and run its digital output into that instead? Thanks again, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog sound Xbox 360 vs SB3?
Hello, I am new to this forum and have a question for you seasoned squeezebox users out there:) I am putting togther a 2 ch system in my home consisting of ascend sierra speakers, proceed amp3, proceed pre-amp, an oppo 980 DVD player & currently my xbox 360 for streaming. The music I listen to varies from mediocre quality MP3's to WMA lossless files. I really enjoy very accurate clean sounding gear and last night I begain A/Bing my oppo with a CD versus the Xbox playing the same track in WMA lossless form. What I noticed was that the xbox sounded very dull in comparison, not as much clarity or punch, and less bass. I beleive the 360 re-samples all muisc from 44.1 to 48khz. I imagine this and the quality of the 360's DAC's are the culprit. I am looking for thoughts on how much of an improvement replacing the 360 with a SB3 will add? I do require using the analog outs of the SB3 because its going directly into the proceed 2 ch pre-amp(no seperate DAC). Thanks in advance! Take care, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47401 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
