Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread sc53

To follow up, I sold my Ayre CD player for $1700 and picked up a Classe
CDP .5 for $600 on Audiogon. I have always liked Classe gear but have
never heard this model player. Hoping it will serve as a good backup
both as transport and CD player if needed. It will play out of my
Electrocompaniet DAC and BAT preamp--hoping for good sound.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread slimkid

JJZolx;314462 Wrote: 
 ...  There are a lot of wonderful advantages to PC based music systems,
 but browsing and selecting something to listen to from a large music
 library is _not_ one of them.  For this reason alone, I'd be tempted to
 hang on to a really good CD player instead of selling it...

It is really amazing how different approach we all can take on common
issues. :) If I was to write the prior paragraph it would read
something like this:

...  There are a lot of wonderful advantages to PC based music systems,
but browsing and selecting something to listen to from a large music
library _is the best_ one of them.  For this reason alone, _I got into
the SB world, packed up all of my CDs into a storage and never looked
back_ ...

:) 

K


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread Phil Leigh

slimkid;315157 Wrote: 
 It is really amazing how different approach we all can take on common
 issues. :) If I was to write the prior paragraph it would read
 something like this:
 
 ...  There are a lot of wonderful advantages to PC based music systems,
 but browsing and selecting something to listen to from a large music
 library _is the best_ one of them.  For this reason alone, _I got into
 the SB world, packed up all of my CDs into a storage and never looked
 back_ ...
 
 :) 
 
 K


what he said ... + random or thematic mixes are really, really hard!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread bludragon

I got my SB and once I had all my cds online found I never used my cdp
any more.  I sold it and bought a DAC and have never looked back.  (Had
to buy the DAC as the SB on its own just didn't sounds as good as my
cdp).

One extra benefit of the DAC was that I can use it with TV and DVD's
(DVD player becomes my backup cdp).

For those who like to browse physical CD's, there's nothing stopping
you from doing that, then having the SB play the one you pick.  I know
the feeling of not knowing what to put on, but for me, browsing through
my music folder seems to do the trick...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread mr_bill

sc53;315147 Wrote: 
 To follow up, I sold my Ayre CD player for $1700 and picked up a Classe
 CDP .5 for $600 on Audiogon. I have always liked Classe gear but have
 never heard this model player. Hoping it will serve as a good backup
 both as transport and CD player if needed. It will play out of my
 Electrocompaniet DAC and BAT preamp--hoping for good sound.

Do you like the sound of the SB3 and Dac combo better than the Ayre
CX7?
The Ayre CX 7e is a very highly regarded CD player.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread pfarrell

I never had anything in the class of the Ayre CD, I did have a high end
Pioneer player, and many others. As soon as I got my first SqueezeBox,
I was converted.

There is nothing about physical CDs that appeal to me. For the four or
five years since I started drinking Sean's Koolaide, I touch a CD only
to rip it to flac, or to load into my car's jukebox for road trips.

I've never used the normal remotes, for years I used fishbone on a
laptop as the sole control. Then I got a Controller.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread sc53

Mr Bill--to answer your question, the SB3 and Electrocompaniet DAC are
not _better_than my Ayre, but in my room, with my associated equipment,
through my ears, and given MY listening/sound preferences, I could not
tell the difference. I also owned a Linn Unidisk and also sold that as
overkill since on CDs the SB3/Electro combo sounded the same to me. I'm
sure if I were an audio reviewer I would have heard lots of
differences, but since I'm just a regular 55-yr-old female layperson, I
have to say the SB3/Electro combo matched any CD player I've had in my
system (Marantz SA-1, Linn Unidisk 2.1, Ayre CX-7e, Arcam FMJ CD-33).
As I said, I hope I don't regret my decision to part with the Ayre down
the road. But I suppose I can always find another one via Audiogon,
where the price has dropped quite a bit on these players from about 2-3
months ago (then they were selling for $1900-2000; now it's $1750 tops).
If you are curious about a top notch CD player, try the Ayre. Incredible
player and a bargain at $1700. If you are a gifted audiophile, I'm
sure you will hear differences from SB/DAC or Transporter! I am
ordinary, not gifted at all.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-26 Thread chinablues

My CD player was on its last legs a couple of years back.  Not buying a
new one helped in my mental justification for buying a Transporter.  In
case of Transporter failure (I had a power supply chip go down) or when
my wife wants to play a CD, we just stick it in the DVD player. Like
some others here, and unlike some others here, I don't miss the CD
boxes at all.

Dan


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread andynormancx

JJZolx;314462 Wrote: 
 
 (An aside:  During the week of going back to CDs I was reminded once
 again of how much nicer it is to browse through a wall full of actual
 CDs instead of using one of the Squeeze interfaces.  There are a lot of
 wonderful advantages to PC based music systems, but browsing and
 selecting something to listen to from a large music library is _not_
 one of them.  For this reason alone, I'd be tempted to hang on to a
 really good CD player instead of selling it.  If you haven't played CDs
 recently, you should try shutting down the SqueezeCenter server and
 going back to CDs for a week or two.  You might be surprised to find
 that your listening habits, even (dare I say it) your satisfaction
 level, may be different.)
Nothing that a bar code scanner + database + a quick bit of code
couldn't fix ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread JJZolx

andynormancx;314517 Wrote: 
 Nothing that a bar code scanner + database + a quick bit of code
 couldn't fix ;)

Not hardly.  You're talking the opposite.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread andynormancx

JJZolx;314531 Wrote: 
 Not hardly.  You're talking the opposite.
Huh ? What I suggested would allow you to browse your music collection
the way you you like to, by looking through your CDs, but play it back
quickly and easily via your SB.

- browse CDs
- choose CD
- wave CD at barcode scanner
- chosen album starts playing on SB

The best of both worlds. Anyway, it was a flippant, humorous comment
not really intended to be taken seriously*...


* though no doubt some geek out there has already implemented it ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread TheLastMan

JJZolx;314462 Wrote: 
 ...I was reminded once again of how much nicer it is to browse through a
 wall full of actual CDs instead of using one of the Squeeze
 interfaces...

What a strange idea.  For me, storage and browsing is the main problem
with CDs, they take up wall space that we don't have and wouldn't want
to cover in CDs anyway.  Personally, I find them a pain to browse
through - squinting at the tiny writing on the spine.  Getting them in
and out of the case is a fiddle and getting the booklet in and out
threatens to destroy the booklet and/or case which would eventually
disintegrate of its own accord anyway. I am still in the process of
ripping my CD collection (only 50 to go...) and so am constantly
reminded how much I -hate- CDs!

The CD was such a backward step from vinyl LPs which are a joy to
handle by comparison and actually take up less wall space than CDs if
you have a large collection.  I find it *much* easier than either CDs
or LPs to browse through my server based music collection using the
Duet controller.  And we can save the wall space for art, photographs
or books.

I always browse using the music folder option and am very careful to
save my CDs as \genre\band(or composer)\album\track.flac.  That makes
it a doddle to find whatever I want.  If I want to randomly browse I
just do that using the albums option on the controller which
obviously mixes up classical, jazz, rock and pop in alphabetical order
by album name - which is totally random!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread bigfool1956

When my network is down I play vinyl...

I'll get me coat!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread cliveb

TheLastMan;314539 Wrote: 
 What a strange idea.  For me, storage and browsing is the main problem
 with CDs, they take up wall space that we don't have and wouldn't want
 to cover in CDs anyway.  Personally, I find them a pain to browse
 through - squinting at the tiny writing on the spine.
I'm with JJZolx on this. Having a wall full of CD spines allows for a
browsing mode that simply isn't available via the SB remote, Controller
or web interface. It happens when you feel like listening to some music,
but haven't a clue what. So you walk up to your wall of CD spines and
let the eyes just flit around at random, until you happen to come
across something you feel like hearing. No linear browsing method gives
quite the same experience.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread Pale Blue Ego

cliveb;314562 Wrote: 
 I'm with JJZolx on this.

I'd be willing to take those annoying Squeezeboxes off your hands,
clive and JJZ, so you can get back to where you once belonged.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread cliveb

Pale Blue Ego;314586 Wrote: 
 I'd be willing to take those annoying Squeezeboxes off your hands, clive
 and JJZ, so you can get back to where you once belonged.
Acknowledging one small disadvantage in running a Squeezebox based
system doesn't mean I don't appreciate the multitude of advantages it
brings. As it happens, I sold my (very expensive) CD player back in
2005 after embracing the Slim Devices approach. Over the intervening
years I've learned to live without being able to browse my music that
way. But that doesn't alter the fact that it *is* a browsing mode that
is sometimes useful and has been lost.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread sc53

The idea of browsing my CD shelves is exactly why I don't want to give
up a CD player altogether! I love doing that. I still miss the old-time
record store where you could go in and flip through LPs in various
genres for hours on end, sneezing from the dust. Later I browsed for
CDs in the same manner in record stores. It's getting harder and harder
to find places to do this anymore, I order most of my CDs from Amazon
and vinyl from Music Direct or Acoustic Sounds and the only browsing I
do is online. Not the same. Like some of you, if my network goes down I
have my 2000 LPs to listen to on my Linn LP12, and I still have FM
tuners as well--plus my trusty old Nakamichi CR-7A tape deck and all
those mix tapes I made in the 70s and 80s! I guess I just like to have
a lot of options, but I don't want to see a $3000 CD player not getting
that much use so I thought I'd downgrade and save some $$$. Still it'll
be very hard to part with the Ayre, it is a wonderful player even at
twice the price.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread Rodney_Gold

The point is : now that you have ripped all your Cd's and gone the SB/TP
route  are you actually going to load one up and spin it.
I have ended up with a closet full of equipment I no longer use but
have been loathe to selleventually it loses all value and I can't
bear to dump it or sell it for peanutsmy meshugas
I would sell the Ayre , get the best price you can cos if you have gone
the SB/TP route , you are obviously convinced that this is the future of
music and your Ayre will just devalue in time and you are really only
keeping it as a what if thingy.
You could always buy a cheap DVD player for the times you network goes
down or indeed as a transport into a decent dac.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread Themis

I owe a Cambridge player (640C) and i find that :
- its transport is pretty good, as good as my SB3. It replaces my SB
whenever i service the network/computers and it drives well enough my
dac. In my case, whatever differences may exist between the two of
them, they mainly come from he digital cable, not the players.
- i prefer my external dac, but the 640 is good enough for a few days
(in case my dac fails).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread mswlogo

Themis;314643 Wrote: 
 I owe a Cambridge player (640C) and i find that :
 - its transport is pretty good, as good as my SB3. It replaces my SB
 whenever i service the network/computers and it drives well enough my
 dac. In my case, whatever differences may exist between the two of
 them, they mainly come from he digital cable, not the players.
 - i prefer my external dac, but the 640 is good enough for a few days
 (in case my dac fails).

I dumped my Meridian 598 player and never looked back.

I do have a Sony Play Station 3 that can play CD's.

Find something that can serve another purpose. A computer with SPDIF
out also works.

The only time I ever need one is if a guest comes over with CD's.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread mr_bill

JJZolx;314462 Wrote: 
 I'd definitely recommend having a CD player on hand for the times when
 your SqueezeCenter server, or your network isn't available for whatever
 reason.  Or even just for when someone comes by with a CD that you want
 to play on your stereo without having to rip it first.  I lost my
 server's boot disk early last week, so I was without my SqueezeCenter
 server until the weekend when I had the chance to rebuild it.  During
 that time it was back to good old CDs and FM.
 
 If you're going to be playing it through an outboard DAC, and if it's
 only occasionally used, then I wouldn't worry too much about the merits
 of the CDP as a transport.
 
 (An aside:  During the week of going back to CDs I was reminded once
 again of how much nicer it is to browse through a wall full of actual
 CDs instead of using one of the Squeeze interfaces.  There are a lot of
 wonderful advantages to PC based music systems, but browsing and
 selecting something to listen to from a large music library is _not_
 one of them.  For this reason alone, I'd be tempted to hang on to a
 really good CD player instead of selling it.  If you haven't played CDs
 recently, you should try shutting down the SqueezeCenter server and
 going back to CDs for a week or two.  You might be surprised to find
 that your listening habits, even (dare I say it) your satisfaction
 level, may be different.)


As a longer term squeezecenter user too, I'm with you.  I really don't
like scrolling through my collection - it just seems to wierd and I
have never gotten used to it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-24 Thread TiredLegs

sc53;314362 Wrote: 
 Is there any inexpensive player I could buy to use as a backup if my
 network is down, that won't be horribly inadequate given what I am used
 to listening to?
For a low budget option, I'd suggest a used Marantz CD63 SE or CD67 SE.
They've got digital outputs, and they sound halfway decent from their
analog jacks if your DAC happens to be temporarily out of commission.
They come up on eBay every now and then for under a hundred bucks.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread sc53

Hi, after a year or so with my 3 SB3's running quite reliably at home on
both PC and Mac, I have decided to part with my precious and wonderful
Ayre CD player (the CX-7e). I use the SB3's with DACs and cannot
identify the differences when the music is from the Ayre or from the
SB3 into an Electrocompaniet ECD-1 or a Benchmark DAC-1. So I have
decided to part with the Ayre--but I feel I need an emergency backup to
use in case of network meltdown, modem  failure or whatever. Is there
any inexpensive player I could buy to use as a backup if my network is
down, that won't be horribly inadequate given what I am used to
listening to? I was thinking of the Oppo but have never heard it;
similarly thought of the cambridge player but again never heard it. Any
thoughts?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Leigh

sc53;314362 Wrote: 
 Hi, after a year or so with my 3 SB3's running quite reliably at home on
 both PC and Mac, I have decided to part with my precious and wonderful
 Ayre CD player (the CX-7e). I use the SB3's with DACs and cannot
 identify the differences when the music is from the Ayre or from the
 SB3 into an Electrocompaniet ECD-1 or a Benchmark DAC-1. So I have
 decided to part with the Ayre--but I feel I need an emergency backup to
 use in case of network meltdown, modem  failure or whatever. Is there
 any inexpensive player I could buy to use as a backup if my network is
 down, that won't be horribly inadequate given what I am used to
 listening to? I was thinking of the Oppo but have never heard it;
 similarly thought of the cambridge player but again never heard it. Any
 thoughts?

If you are running it into your DAC(s), pretty much anything will do...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread SuperQ

If you're going into an outboard DAC, it doesn't really matter.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote:
If you are running it into your DAC(s), pretty much anything will do...


SuperQ wrote:
 If you're going into an outboard DAC, it doesn't really matter.

What, you two guys don't believe that the CD transport is important? How
can you claim to be audiophiles?

Next you will claim that bits are bits and that there is no such thing
as a digital cable.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread nicholasg

sc53;314362 Wrote: 
 Hi, after a year or so with my 3 SB3's running quite reliably at home on
 both PC and Mac, I have decided to part with my precious and wonderful
 Ayre CD player (the CX-7e). I use the SB3's with DACs and cannot
 identify the differences when the music is from the Ayre or from the
 SB3 into an Electrocompaniet ECD-1 or a Benchmark DAC-1. So I have
 decided to part with the Ayre--but I feel I need an emergency backup to
 use in case of network meltdown, modem  failure or whatever. Is there
 any inexpensive player I could buy to use as a backup if my network is
 down, that won't be horribly inadequate given what I am used to
 listening to? I was thinking of the Oppo but have never heard it;
 similarly thought of the cambridge player but again never heard it. Any
 thoughts?


I would not recommend an Oppo. When playing the first track on a CD
I've found my receiver (Denon 3806) takes around a second to sync up
and you lose that music. This does not happen with my Panasonic Blu-Ray
disc player or my Cyrus CD player used as a transport. On another forum
(avsforum.com) this was acknowledged as a design feature of the Oppo
(DV-981HD).

I've always read great things about the Ayre CD player - its incredible
that SB3 + DAC1 can sound as good.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

nicholasg;31 Wrote: 
 I would not recommend an Oppo. When playing the first track on a CD I've
 found my receiver (Denon 3806) takes around a second to sync up and
 you lose that music. This does not happen with my Panasonic Blu-Ray
 disc player or my Cyrus CD player used as a transport. On another forum
 (avsforum.com) this was acknowledged as a design feature of the Oppo
 (DV-981HD).
 
 I've always read great things about the Ayre CD player - its incredible
 that SB3 + DAC1 can sound as good.I've got the older 971 and don't have any 
 problems.  Very good player
for the money.  You probably weren't using the new Denon cable.  Might
want to look into that.  :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread JJZolx

I'd definitely recommend having a CD player on hand for the times when
your SqueezeCenter server, or your network isn't available for whatever
reason.  Or even just for when someone comes by with a CD that you want
to play on your stereo without having to rip it first.

If you're going to be playing through an outboard DAC, and if it's only
occasionally used, then I wouldn't worry too much about the merits of
the CDP as a transport.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] About to sell my CD player--will SB3 be enough??

2008-06-23 Thread nicholasg

Nonreality;314461 Wrote: 
 I've got the older 971 and don't have any problems.  Very good player
 for the money.  You probably weren't using the new Denon cable.  Might
 want to look into that.  :)

That must be it :-)

I did try optical and coax and had the same issue (as did someothers on
AVSFORUM). You only notice the issue if the music on the first track on
the CD starts at zero seconds. I also think they are not very well
build and look cheap.


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