Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
Due to Wordpress having issues with copying of quotes have moved the blog to http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
My SB Touch has out of memory errors with these settings. The SB touch freezes and needs a soft reboot. No errors since I commented out this line : echo 2147483646 /proc/sys/net/core/optmem_max Pilru's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
SBGK, whats wrong with a bit of vetting? If you want this stuff to be respected it has to endure public scrutiny. I wont be hateful, hell ill even try it and test it blind, in a very scientific manner and have some others do it as well. so cmon... TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
Here are my thoughts on how to improve the sound of the Touch beyond TT3.0 and EDO. They have mainly been well received by people who have tried them, think the only issues have been where people have had to decode on the Touch rather than the server. They were derived mainly from hunches, trial and error and reading linux optimisation blogs. If there are any people that know more about Linux and Alsa then maybe they can come up with better settings. http://wp.me/p2qUAF-4 cheers SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
ralphpnj wrote: otherwise why would the audiophile have its collective panties in a knot over asynchronous USB? Beats me, I've always suspected that to be a bit misdirected. Assuming jitter of this magnitude actually does affect sound quality, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find USB DACs that fared worse in that respect than many of the traditional DACs or for that matter the DACs built into the Squeezeboxes. Somehow it is assumed that because it's asynchronous it will by definition perform better. However, my question this time wasn't directed at the alleged impact of jitter, merely how the OP verified that the mods affected and more importantly improved jitter. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
Archimago wrote: Even without bringing out the 'measure' word, I'd like to know how the OP KNOWS the mods affect jitter at all? Lacking measurements, I'll settle for anything that corroborates the claims regarding jitter. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
alfista wrote: By what method have the jitter been measured and how much did it improve? Archimago wrote: Even without bringing out the 'measure' word, I'd like to know how the OP KNOWS the mods affect jitter at all? I've tried all these years and have never been convinced I've actually 'heard' jitter... alfista wrote: Lacking measurements, I'll settle for anything that corroborates the claims regarding jitter. But gentlemen the effects of and sound of jitter has to exist and be a very BIG problem otherwise why would the audiophile have its collective panties in a knot over asynchronous USB? ;) :) ;) :) Current state of the art audiophile approved computer music playback system: Apple MAC mini: $600 - $800 Apple approved external hard drive: $130 USB cable (MAC mini to external hard drive): $200 External DAC with asynchronous usb input: $600 - $6000 USB cable (MAC mini to external DAC): $200 Additional software to ensure a bit perfect digital audio data stream: $700 Total cost: $2430 - $8030 Lower cost semi-audiophile approved alternative: El-cheapo desktop computer: $300 External hard drive: $80 Generic USB cable (computer to external hard drive): $10 Squeezebox Touch: $300 External DAC without asynchronous usb input: $400 - $6000 Digital coax cable (Touch to DAC): $20 Music server software to ensure a bit perfect digital audio data stream: included with Squeezebox Touch Total cost:$1110 - $6710 Notes: 1) Both systems assume that there is a working ethernet/Wi-fi router available. 2) Touch system only audiophile approved for background listening to low bit rate internet audio streams. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
SBGK wrote: It requires about 6 file changes and maybe a bit of experimentation and depends on peoples setup, if people got into trouble with them then there would be a lot of negative comments if they were publicly available. With people having to contact me first then there is a self selection element that means they are interested in improving the sound and are also confifent in making the changes Nothing quite like limiting trials to a self-selected group predisposed to favor the results. Very efficient! And, the feedback snippets quoted in your message (but not repeated above) are great examples of the classic audiophile style of hypebolic writing. But, it helps remind me that, as a human, I am far and away the biggest variable in my system. I can experience similar changes in sound quality just by getting up from my seat, walking around to do a few things around the house or eating a meal, and them coming back to start listening again. One gets all the benefit of dramatic changes with none of the hassle! ;-) mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
Just back from a couple of weeks with my new Linn set up, for a laugh... SBGK, you asked back then, does Linn Klimax DS play Spotify. Nope. It portrays it, perfectly, and for that matter all my other music sources too, thanks for asking. I really couldn't have friends / family around for supper and get them too close to open electrical sources housed in tin-foil and tupperware for fear of health and safety... As far as references for your mods - well, one of them would have been from an american mate who rides carpets when not shooting the breeze, the other, who knows? And frankly who cares? Best investment you can make with the SB approach is a comfy pillow, forget these mods and the idiots offering them and just enjoy the music for what it is. (Or save your time chasing shadows and just invest in a decent DAC / AMP / Speakers / Listening room). pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
By what method have the jitter been measured and how much did it improve? alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
alfista wrote: By what method have the jitter been measured and how much did it improve? Even without bringing out the 'measure' word, I'd like to know how the OP KNOWS the mods affect jitter at all? I've tried all these years and have never been convinced I've actually 'heard' jitter... Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
TheOctavist wrote: why dont you just post them publicly? well, I am offering them to people who pm me as they were still in development, that development is now at an end, so I may make them available via a blog. It requires about 6 file changes and maybe a bit of experimentation and depends on peoples setup, if people got into trouble with them then there would be a lot of negative comments if they were publicly available. With people having to contact me first then there is a self selection element that means they are interested in improving the sound and are also confifent in making the changes. Here is some feedback - no negative feedback so far Hi Just to let you know that I have been listening with your latest settings and buffertime=9. Absolutely superb sound. Still a tad on the dark side, but with lots of detail, nuances, and complexity. Plenty of sparkle, too, when on the record. Sound stage is expansive and three-dimensional. And the acid test: the medley from Mingus' The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, 18 minutes of dissonance which I was actually able to enjoy, for a change. I could say it's the most analog sound so far from the SBT, except analog was never this open and clear in my system. Great job! Thank you very much for sharing these settings. and My quick take is that these latest settings are a bit of an improvement. The clarity, smoothness, and detail are still there, but everything seems to be notched up just a hair better. One of my favorite test tracks is on the Stereophile Test CD #3---by Airto Moira and the Gods of Jazz--titled Never Mind. Just piano, drum kit, and bass. But, goodness, did that just sound amazing. SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
Well, so far so good. The world seems to be divided into 2 types of people, those who have tried the settings and like them and those who haven't tried them. Think I will call them diode settings as once you hear them there is no going back (see what I did there). SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
why dont you just post them publicly? TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
My low jitter mods have been trialled by members on this site with some success, I can now take on a few more installs, if you want to know how good the Touch could sound then just PM me for details. As the TT3.0 thread has been closed down here is the link to Soundchecks blog. http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/touch-toolbox-30.html SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
SBGK wrote: My low jitter mods have been trialled by members on this site with some success, I can now take on a few more installs, if you want to know how good the Touch could sound then just PM me for details. As the TT3.0 thread has been closed down here is the link to Soundchecks blog. http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/touch-toolbox-30.html Run away faster ! If your ears/goo can detect jitter in any modern DAC, you are George Malley and you would already have been bagged by the CIA pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
