Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;624155 Wrote: Sooner than you might think, I've just checked in updated 7.6 firmware (v86) that should fix this problem. :) I tried 7.6-32271, fw 86, the bug is still not fixed. The same Spanish Harlem at 24/96 still chokes the Transporter. -- Kuro Kuro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Latest nightly (32263) has fw86, now all is great! -- jwverheij jwverheij's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45506 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
callesoroe;624001 Wrote: I had problems with exactly that track earlier. Convert the file to waw and the back to FLAC with max compression level 5. Then it work without popping noises. actually, I think you can go from FLAC to FLAC (compression 5) in either foobar2000 or dbpa and it will do the WAV conversion behind the scenes. A bit easier in terms of steps -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Note that the current 7.6 TP firmware (85) does not have the fix for this bug, please try 7.5. New 7.6 firmware will be available soon. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Sooner than you might think, I've just checked in updated 7.6 firmware (v86) that should fix this problem. :) -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I just upgraded to Squeezebox Server version 7.6, build 32248. After restarting my server and Transporter, I still get firmware version 85. The manual upgrade of the firmware (press-and-hold the brightness button) also just re-installs version 85. How do I get version 86 on my Transporter? -- jwverheij jwverheij's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45506 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I think you´ll have to wait for 32258 -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;610642 Wrote: If you are having popping on the current 7.5.3/firmware 82, please send me a file that causes it. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Large_File_Upload I can reconfirm that the popping noise problem is not solved with firmware 85 in 7.6.0-32229 nightly build. The song to test is from this album: https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetailvalbum_code=HD090368032362 Just try the very first one Spanish Harlem. The popping noise occurs at about the 55 secs point. I found that turning off the VU meter (blank display on the right side) will prevent the popping. So it is definitely the CPU running out of juice trying to decode 24/96 FLAC file. Once it is decoded, I can seek back and forth and no popping sound is heard. -- Kuro Kuro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Kuro;623926 Wrote: I can reconfirm that the popping noise problem is not solved with firmware 85 in 7.6.0-32229 nightly build. The song to test is from this album: https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetailvalbum_code=HD090368032362 Just try the very first one Spanish Harlem. The popping noise occurs at about the 55 secs point. I found that turning off the VU meter (blank display on the right side) will prevent the popping. So it is definitely the CPU running out of juice trying to decode 24/96 FLAC file. Once it is decoded, I can seek back and forth and no popping sound is heard. I had problems with exactly that track earlier. Convert the file to waw and the back to FLAC with max compression level 5. Then it work without popping noises. -- callesoroe Callesoroe SB-duet, Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
dizzysnakepilot;613200 Wrote: I have no idea what that is! Sounds painful. :) I was able to reencode one of the Koln flacs and now it will play. Weird. xlinx reset: remove power to transporter, point remote at transporter hold down the 1 key, while holding 1 key, restore power to transporter until you see screen tell you that it is doing a reset. very easy!! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
garym;612545 Wrote: have you tried a xilinx reset? I have no idea what that is! Sounds painful. :) I was able to reencode one of the Koln flacs and now it will play. Weird. -- dizzysnakepilot dizzysnakepilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32043 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
dizzysnakepilot;612467 Wrote: Different symptom, but when I upgraded my Transporter firmware to fix a problem where the Transporter asked to upgrade firmware everytime I switched between streaming and the local server, the Koln concert files won't play anymore at all. Haven't resolved yet. (Incidentally, a loss-less recording of Liszt was linked earlier in the responses- I'll put it to the test playing the same piece on my Steinway) have you tried a xilinx reset? -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Different symptom, but when I upgraded my Transporter firmware to fix a problem where the Transporter asked to upgrade firmware everytime I switched between streaming and the local server, the Koln concert files won't play anymore at all. Haven't resolved yet. -- dizzysnakepilot dizzysnakepilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32043 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I have pops with 7.5.1/80. I never noticed it until I move houses so I figure it was related to my new home possible due to wireless signal strength of 50%. I would have thought wireless would cause skips not pops so I decided to look at firmware. I recent updated the server to 7.5.3 and installed firmware 85 from the nightly builds and still get pops... I'm going to drop back to 82 incase I'm pushing the compatibility of firmware/server too much... For me the pops are on everything from FLAC to internet radio... I may drop back to an even earlier version just to see what happens. Any advice is greatly appreciated. -- spc337 1x Transporter - 1x Boom - QNAP TS439 Pro (2 x 2TB Hitachi RAID1) - SSOTS 3.15 (QPKG) - Squeezecenter 7.3.3 spc337's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14315 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
spc337;610622 Wrote: I have pops with 7.5.1/80. I never noticed it until I move houses so I figure it was related to my new home possible due to wireless signal strength of 50%. I would have thought wireless would cause skips not pops so I decided to look at firmware. I recent updated the server to 7.5.3 and installed firmware 85 from the nightly builds and still get pops... I'm going to drop back to 82 incase I'm pushing the compatibility of firmware/server too much... For me the pops are on everything from FLAC to internet radio... I may drop back to an even earlier version just to see what happens. Any advice is greatly appreciated. If you are getting pops on internet radio, that's a totally different problem to the one decribed in this thread... Can you recheck ALL of your cables/connections? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
If you are having popping on the current 7.5.3/firmware 82, please send me a file that causes it. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Large_File_Upload -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Phil Leigh;610635 Wrote: If you are getting pops on internet radio, that's a totally different problem to the one decribed in this thread... Can you recheck ALL of your cables/connections? Yea - I've stripped everything down several times think it could be a connection issue but no luck. Hence I started thinking about the wireless and the firmware. -- spc337 1x Transporter - 1x Boom - QNAP TS439 Pro (2 x 2TB Hitachi RAID1) - SSOTS 3.15 (QPKG) - Squeezecenter 7.3.3 spc337's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14315 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
ntang;601850 Wrote: You had no pops with the 81 that comes as part of 7.5.2?? I had pops with the original FW 81. -- Meridion Songs: 16'169 - Albums: 1'337 - Artists: 916 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I am also experiencing this on 96/24 FLAC tracks. Eg: Lucia from the HDTrack sampler Weird thing is it does not happen if I convert the same file to ALAC 96/24 (using XLD for MAC). Wonder why -- ntang Transporter, SB3, Duet playing ALAC through Mcintosh preamp, amp and Musical Fidelity gear... ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
ntang;601594 Wrote: I am also experiencing this on 96/24 FLAC tracks. Eg: Lucia from the HDTrack sampler Weird thing is it does not happen if I convert the same file to ALAC 96/24 (using XLD for MAC). Wonder why Lower compression rate the sbs server transcode your alac to flac but at compression tate -0 to save some cpu . Normally you use -5 when ripping some uses the hardest possibel compression -8 -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
That would explain it! I have just downgraded to 7.5.1 with Firmware 80 and all the annoying pops are gone Mnyb;601596 Wrote: Lower compression rate the sbs server transcode your alac to flac but at compression tate -0 to save some cpu . Normally you use -5 when ripping some uses the hardest possibel compression -8 -- ntang Transporter, SB3, Duet playing ALAC through Mcintosh preamp, amp and Musical Fidelity gear... ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
ntang;601598 Wrote: That would explain it! I have just downgraded to 7.5.1 with Firmware 80 and all the annoying pops are gone I did not understand - did you try new FW 86? -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
ntang;601616 Wrote: No I had the problem with 81 on 7.5.2. I first tried 80 (7.5.1) which reduced the pops considerably but i could still detect them on some tracks... Then I tried 82 which is part of 7.5.3 (nightly i think). They have also made a customised 81 with a patch (which you can use with 7.5.2 if you dont want to use the latest nightly) Now all is ok so, there is no issue with new FW Andy posted, right? -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
No I had the problem with 81 on 7.5.2. I first tried 80 (7.5.1) which reduced the pops considerably but i could still detect them on some tracks... Then I tried 82 which is part of 7.5.3 (nightly i think). They have also made a customised 81 with a patch (which you can use with 7.5.2 if you dont want to use the latest nightly) Now all is ok michael123;601615 Wrote: I did not understand - did you try new FW 86? -- ntang Transporter, SB3, Duet playing ALAC through Mcintosh preamp, amp and Musical Fidelity gear... ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
No problem that I can tell wrt the pops anyway. Note that I did not try 86 which is part of the 7.6.x version...yes? I am on 7.5.3 with 82 now and all is well michael123;601619 Wrote: so, there is no issue with new FW Andy posted, right? -- ntang Transporter, SB3, Duet playing ALAC through Mcintosh preamp, amp and Musical Fidelity gear... ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Tested a FLAC file with long texts (both displays scrolling) yesterday. Had to figure out firts, how to upgrade... Pops with old FW, no problems anymore with FW 81! Many thanks! -- Meridion Songs: 16'169 - Albums: 1'337 - Artists: 916 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
You had no pops with the 81 that comes as part of 7.5.2?? Meridion;601739 Wrote: Tested a FLAC file with long texts (both displays scrolling) yesterday. Had to figure out firts, how to upgrade... Pops with old FW, no problems anymore with FW 81! Many thanks! -- ntang Transporter, SB3, Duet playing ALAC through Mcintosh preamp, amp and Musical Fidelity gear... ntang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I want to tell that todays squeezeboxserver_7.6.0~31716_all.deb has already the fixed firmware included. -- Wombat Transporter - RG142 - Avantgarde based monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
..and Windows? -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
michael123;601438 Wrote: ..and Windows? The same, of cause. All firmwares for 31716 should be the same. -- Wombat Transporter - RG142 - Avantgarde based monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I copied new fw to C:\Program Files (x86)\Squeezebox\server\Firmware but cannot invoke update. I get instead: Cannot dl fw from internet. What am I doing wrong? -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600619 Wrote: 7.6 will be a bit later I think. Why? It is a beta anyway.. This bug prevents me to use a more recent build of 7.6.. -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Um, just run the manual firmware as explained above. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Ok, I've retested both Koln and Raven studio masters compressed -8, scrolling on and VU meters on. No pops/ clicks. I think the problem's been resolved. Thx again to Andy. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
It is my understanding that CPU load is highly dependent on the visualizer in use. Andy, what visualizer results in highest probability of audio dropout? -- sbjaerum sbjaerum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Wombat;600140 Wrote: Thanks for doing so! If i remember right there never were complaints about 24/96 at -8 until someone listened The Raven by Rebecca Pidgeon. This one could be a real stress test.Both Koln Concert and Raven studio masters compressed at -8 play back without any clicks/ pops, even with the VU meters going. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Is the fix already inside the recent build? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;600566 Wrote: Both Koln Concert and Raven studio masters compressed at -8 play back without any clicks/ pops, even with the VU meters going. But is the VU meters the most CPU intensive visualizer? -- sbjaerum sbjaerum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
sbjaerum;600571 Wrote: But is the VU meters the most CPU intensive visualizer? Without them, Transporter would not be a Transporter anymore.. -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
sbjaerum;600571 Wrote: But is the VU meters the most CPU intensive visualizer? Transporter would not be a Transporter anymore without VU meters.. -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I don't know which is the most CPU-intensive vis, try them all. I would say the spectrum analyzer or analog VU are probably the heaviest. Feedback is great so far though, thanks guys! -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600577 Wrote: I don't know which is the most CPU-intensive vis, try them all. I would say the spectrum analyzer or analog VU are probably the heaviest. Feedback is great so far though, thanks guys! We appreciate having you here with us! Please let us know when you get this into the build.. -- michael123 please fix bug 15209 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15209 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
It'll be in the build on Monday. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600580 Wrote: It'll be in the build on Monday.Will it be FW86 on 7.6 or will a manual firmware update be required? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I guess I meant 7.5.3 (firmware 82). 7.6 will be a bit later I think. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600577 Wrote: I don't know which is the most CPU-intensive vis, try them all. I would say the spectrum analyzer or analog VU are probably the heaviest. Feedback is great so far though, thanks guys! As I understand, the latest changes involve scrolling. So to stress-test, one might want to set scrolling to some obscurely high (fast) values. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
To test, you want to have scrolling enabled, play a song with long enough text to cause scrolling, and run the vis. I wouldn't change the scrolling values, if you push them too high you are going to run into problems, the default is 30fps and looks pretty good. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600663 Wrote: I wouldn't change the scrolling values, if you push them too high you are going to run into problems, the default is 30fps and looks pretty good. Right. I suppose one could consider limiting the allowed range [on the settings page] to disallow insane values? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
andyg;600663 Wrote: To test, you want to have scrolling enabled, play a song with long enough text to cause scrolling, and run the vis. I wouldn't change the scrolling values, if you push them too high you are going to run into problems, the default is 30fps and looks pretty good.Hmm, I'd better retest, scrolling's enabled but I doubt any would've happened during either Koln or Raven. Will set display string to something that will def scroll, retest revert. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;600135 Wrote: I'll recode the koln concert to -8 and revert. 12 mins into part a re-encoded -8 and not a pop nor a click, so if my settings as shown above are ensuring no transcode to wav, then all's good. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Just listening to I Robot 24/192 DVD-A rip. Sure, it's being transcoded vix sox, but no clicks/ pops during playback. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Stevie Nicks - Bella Donna 24/96 also fine. Andy, I think the problem's solved. Thx very much, truly appreciated. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
You all are talking about flac? If so at standard compression or -8? Is there a chance everything at -8 can be played? -- Wombat Transporter - RG142 - Avantgarde based monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I'll recode the koln concert to -8 and revert. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;600135 Wrote: I'll recode the koln concert to -8 and revert. Thanks for doing so! If i remember right there never were complaints about 24/96 at -8 until someone listened The Raven by Rebecca Pidgeon. This one could be a real stress test. -- Wombat Transporter - RG142 - Avantgarde based monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Wombat;600140 Wrote: If i remember right there never were complaints about 24/96 at -8 until someone listened The Raven by Rebecca Pidgeon. This one could be a real stress test.may have that also, will have a look. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;599441 Wrote: ok, i've filed a bug report, please '*_vote*_' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16760) for it. -- callesoroe Callesoroe SB-duet, Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Hmmm, apart from overwriting the existing fw85 with the attached file - what is the procedure for actually invoking the update on the TP? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Press and hold the brightness button on the front panel or remote. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Note (to self) - updating requires reading the firemware which requires permission to do so :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Please remember to revert SBS to playing FLAC natively before testing the beta firmware and reporting the results. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Ok, I'm 22 mins into koln concert pt1 and not a single click or pop. I think this has solved it (fw 85) - assuming of course I've correctly turned off FLACPCM decoding. What are others finding? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Heard (more or less) a couple of movements from Mahler's 3rd (from hdtracks), and all seems fine so far (they used to exhibit the problem). Will try some more. Again, this is through external DAC. (Anyhow, thanks to Andy for looking into this so fast - and while one can discuss testing procedures and the likes forever - this gives me a impression that some at Logitech still care for the nutcase audiophile TP-crowd). -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I've tried every file that was giving me trouble before and I cannot reproduce the popping noises. I can't say I've ever received service like this from any company, anywhere. To identify an issue and have it addressed so quickly speaks volumes about the way this team was put together. I realize that much has changed since the days of Slim Devices, but I have to say it's been a great 2011. To have both the Transporter resurrected as the Transporter SE (even if it's temporary, it's nice that they are available) and have a code issue addressed so quickly and efficiently is more than I could have hoped for. Thanks very much Andy for finding a resolution. I appreciate the dedication. -- Celeritas Transporter - Classe' CP-47.5 - Classe' CA-201 - Martin Logan SL3 Celeritas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Is anyone at Logitech onto this, it's bloody annoying when trying to appreciate one's music? Has a bug been filed? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;599409 Wrote: Is anyone at Logitech onto this, it's bloody annoying when trying to appreciate one's music? A vivid reminder why I always hated listening to vinyl. Has a bug been filed? Not to my knowledge , I don't have a TP so i can not have the bug (and therefore not report it) . Complaining in this tread won't accomplish a thing, a real bug report must be started a developer assigned to the bug and some suitable test track sent to Logitech, possibly the Köln Concert with Keit Jarret in 24/96 from HD-tracks. Work around by sending everything as pcm untill further notice... -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Mnyb;599414 Wrote: Not to my knowledge , I don't have a TP so i can not have the bug (and therefore not report it) . Complaining in this tread won't accomplish a thing, a real bug report must be started a developer assigned to the bug and some suitable test track sent to Logitechwasn't complaining, was asking whether or not a bug has been filed yet and/or whether the dev's were dealing with it. Mnyb;599414 Wrote: possibly the Köln Concert with Keit Jarret in 24/96 from HD-tracks. that's exactly what I've been trying to listen to. Mnyb;599414 Wrote: Work around by sending everything as pcm untill further notice...Workaround...they've rendered the Transporter defective! -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;599418 Wrote: wasn't complaining, was asking whether or not a bug has been filed yet and/or whether the dev's were dealing with it. that's exactly what I've been trying to listen to. Workaround...they've rendered the Transporter defective! Yes :) I also asked for the bug nr earlier in the tread nobody replied... But post keeps comming in this tread... So it was not directed at anyone particular , but just an observation that the many sufferers if this bug should do something together to make something happen. And yes they broke the product, says something unprintable about the testing around these products ? Also makes you seriously wonder what else don't work as supposed (or is subly broken at a low level like the mp3 decoder is). Does Logitech themselves test that the product performs to spec and that outputs are bitperfect after each software mod ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Ok, I've filed a bug report, please vote for it. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
voted -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
mnyb;599453 Wrote: voted -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
voted for bug -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Migth be more comfortable to record the digital output with audio diff maker. and compare to the original. Or use other kinds of measurements too. Anyone would probably go slowly insane running the same tune 272 times :confused: even if it is a good one . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I've been working with support on ticket 101225-001163 and have provided some files to test with. I've tried to upload them to the site Andy recommended, but have not been successful. I've attached links to the files on the Logitech Support Site. One is an excerpt from the Koln Concert and the other is a portion of Looking for a Home from Blue Coast Records. Both exhibit the popping and are at the lowest compression level (0). These were created with dBpoweramp Music Converter. Andy, hopefully you have access to these. If not, I will try the anonymous FTP from a different internet connection this evening. http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/1018935/1293908164 http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/1018936/1293908164 -- Celeritas Transporter - Classe' CP-47.5 - Classe' CA-201 - Martin Logan SL3 Celeritas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I'll try later this was a good incitement to get the Koln Concert in a better master . I'll try make rar file off the whole album as you get it from HD-tracks , before i retagg it fixes things migth give you insigth on what they sell to us. Migth take a while HD tracks is slooow. downloading this among other stuff. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
OK, I tested with that 24/96 Listz track, and I hear the problem. It only occurs during scrolling, so a workaround for now is to disable scrolling. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I was able to successfully upload the Keith Jarret and Keith Greeninger tracks to hybridized.org. The Keith Jarrett is the worst offender. Even with scrolling turned off, I get pops and clicks. -- Celeritas Transporter - Classe' CP-47.5 - Classe' CA-201 - Martin Logan SL3 Celeritas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Thanks for the test tracks. I've attached new builds of fw81 and fw85 to bug 16760, this has a very small change in it but it appears to fix the problem for me! Please test it and let me know what you think. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I'm also getting this. My observations concur with others - in particular: - Only on high-res files 24/88-96 - Disabling all scrolling minimize problem - I only noticed since fw85 (but could have been there before) - I haven't looked into details - encoding/wav/server/etc - I'm running through external DAC via BNC. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Turning off scrolling and all screensavers does minimize the noises. Unfortunately, it does not eliminate them entirely. I don't know the firmware code, but I am a programmer by trade. The code may still be computing the values necessary to scroll, even when scrolling on the display is turned off. I also found no effect when turning off the VU meter on the secondary display. Again, the values needed may be getting computed, but not displayed in any way. -- Celeritas Transporter - Classe' CP-47.5 - Classe' CA-201 - Martin Logan SL3 Celeritas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
anyone have a quick link to fw 84? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
audiomuze;597551 Wrote: anyone have a quick link to fw 84? I placed firmware 84 on rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/439588213/Firmware_84.zip If anyone at Slimdevices has a problem with it please tell me and i´ll delete asap. -- Wombat Transporter - RG142 - Avantgarde based monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Wombat;597117 Wrote: Since Logitech took over Slimdevices i wondered how long it takes that no one takes care about it anymore. Logitech should produce mice, that´s what i belief they are good at. If anyone told me to buy a 1599 product of Logitech back then i´d asked him what the hell he is smoking. Hard words in such a peasefull time, sorry. Enjoy your holidays :) I think (hope) they still care about it - after all, the Logitech site now shows a new Transporter SE item... -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
NewBuyer;597645 Wrote: I think (hope) they still care about it - after all, the Logitech site now shows a new Transporter SE item... Surprise :) -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Transporter SE looks very similar to a transporter. But that is not nececasarily bad ,maybe thy changed some outdated parts custom ordered some new display's and made a new batch... They are still in demand why stop making em :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Mnyb;597651 Wrote: Transporter SE looks very similar to a transporter. But that is not nececasarily bad ,maybe thy changed some outdated parts custom ordered some new display's and made a new batch... They are still in demand why stop making em :) Exactly same unit, just cheaper with new remote. I agree that's good for current owners (like me). -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Sad :( Who asked for that scrolling for Transporter? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Since mysqueezebox.com installs FW 81 automatically, how can I downgrade to FW 80 without reloading FW 81 every time I switch to mysqueezebox.com (when suspending my NAS)? -- Meridion Songs: 16'169 - Albums: 1'337 - Artists: 916 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
What happens if you turn off client-side scrolling? (settings - player - display: Do Not Scroll ?) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
The big change to firmware 81 was moving the scrolling of text to the player, so it could account for greater CPU usage. Apparently the Transporter is borderline when playing 96kHz Flac, so any small change could push it over the top. I'm not sure whether the scrolling changes should affect it if you're using the Music Information Screensaver, but maybe the plugin doesn't play nice with the new approach to scrolling. Try disabling the plugin first. If that doesn't help you might then go to the Transporter's display settings (using the web interface) and change the scrolling rate. Increase the scroll pixels to 7 and decrease the scroll rate (by increasing the value) to 0.15. I think those were the old defaults. In any case, adjust the scroll rate until the speed looks correct. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
JJZolx;596994 Wrote: The big change to firmware 81 was moving the scrolling of text to the player, so it could account for greater CPU usage. Why on Earth did they do that? Stealing CPU cycles from a non-upgradable player in order to perform a task that could be done by the server (which can be upgraded to cope with the task if necessary) just seems daft. Didn't Logitech understand the concept behind a Slim Device when they bought the company? -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
cliveb;597010 Wrote: Why on Earth did they do that? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=588751#post588751 -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Also when scrollling or moving through the menu while playing 96kHz/24b FLACs I heard crackling sounds with new firmware 51... -- Meridion Songs: 16'169 - Albums: 1'337 - Artists: 916 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Celeritas;596731 Wrote: After upgrading to 7.5.2 today I started noticing static pops in high-res tracks (FLAC compression level 0 files that played fine yesterday) and while the player changed tracks. I used to hear a similar pop when the DAC would go from 44.1/16 to 96/24, but this was now while music was playing. I began to wonder if it was the new firmware version 81. I updated my transporter.version file and installed firmware version 85. Same problem. I downgraded the firmware to 80 (still using 7.5.2 server) and the pops went away. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm sure I won't be able to use firmware 80 forever. Things I tried before downgrading: Reinstall firmware (hold brightness) Reprogrammed xilink (hold 1 while plugging in) Factory reset (hold + while plugging in) Only downgrading the firmware helped. Thank you for the information. I was about to upgrade but I definately will not do it now. I will wait for this bug to be fixed. -- callesoroe Callesoroe SB-duet, Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
callesoroe;597083 Wrote: Thank you for the information. I was about to upgrade but I definately will not do it now. I will wait for this bug to be fixed. Speaking of has anyone filed an actual bug yet in bugzilla ? Otherwise it will never be fixed . Easiest fix must be to reverse this change for transporter but keep it for SB3/2 Boom . The amount of logged on transporter users must be ridiculously low compared to other players can't make a dent in the mysqueezebox.com system ? That means keeping the scrolling code in SBS/mysb.com but only use it for transporters. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
JJZolx;597013 Wrote: cliveb;597010 Wrote: Why on Earth did they do that? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=588751#post588751 Ah, right - to reduce load on MySB. Now I understand. (I don't use MySB, so this never occured to me). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
cliveb;597010 Wrote: Why on Earth did they do that? Stealing CPU cycles from a non-upgradable player in order to perform a task that could be done by the server (which can be upgraded to cope with the task if necessary) just seems daft. Didn't Logitech understand the concept behind a Slim Device when they bought the company? Yes! Smooth scrolling is very important for audiophiles :) I need a telescope to see anything on my Transporter, not to say Touch On the topic of firmware, I am running 3-month old beta with #84 and do not have anything close to popping noises. Maybe I am lucky -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I noticed the same issue a few nights back playing Diana Krall - Quiet Nights 24/96, and was baffled as it'd never occurred prior. Please advise whether the bug's been filed so I can vote for it. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Since Logitech took over Slimdevices i wondered how long it takes that no one takes care about it anymore. Logitech should produce mice, that´s what i belief they are good at. If anyone told me to buy a 1599 product of Logitech back then i´d asked him what the hell he is smoking. Hard words in such a peasefull time, sorry. Enjoy your holidays :) -- Wombat Transporter - RG142 - Avantgarde based monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Had the same issue with popping/clicking sounds on the transporter on firmware 85. No problems at all with 84 before that, and the issue went away when I reverted to 84 from 85. Did not make a difference Ethernet or Wifi - as it shouldn't given that CPU limitations are the cause. Thanks again all! Yeang -- ychng ychng's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40871 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
