Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
Not wipe out, but Revue could strengthen SB line provided it runs SBS on board. Acting as a server would allow Logitech to controls the HW running SBS for the first time and would simplify usage model. Technically it's feasible and many customers would love to control SBS from the TV ...this wouldn't not prevent current usage model from LAN, Wi-Fi, IR For sure Revue can also act as a player provided it's audio format support is extended toward SB standards: FLAC, AIFF, WAV...etc -- your momo your momo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8095 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
Phil Leigh;630410 Wrote: > Also I don't want anything Apple in the house until such time as their > USP becomes solely a blend of functionality, price and styling, rather > than proprietary BS. Isn't it amazing that so few people actually see through Apple's very sharp marketing and the absolutely fawning media coverage over anything "i" to get at the heart of the beast. How much longer before Apple decides that flac support would be a good thing? Phil Leigh;630410 Wrote: > The Revue looks cool for video. I might get one for video (but it needs > some more features) but there may be better competitors - I haven't > researched this. It will not be part of my audio system. As I stated earlier, I have a WD Live Plus (can be had for less than $100) which I use for streaming video, both from an attached hard drive and via the Internet (primarily Netflix) and it works great. Worth being on your short list should you decide to the streaming video route. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
Google TV looks to be dead already.. It is not a "killer", but rather a suicide.. -- michael123 Please fix http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16814 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
JezA;613028 Wrote: > FLAC has to be converted to PCM somewhere,either on your NAS or on your > squeezebox, so the power gets used whichever. > > You might only want to use your Harmony remote - many people will > prefer an iPhone/Touch/Android solution .. > > It's early days for the Revue yet, and indeed for Apple TV - but I > think they will be the future. Hopefully not. No phone I can buy today or in the immediately foreseeable future will do what my Harmony One remote can do. Also I don't want anything Apple in the house until such time as their USP becomes solely a blend of functionality, price and styling, rather than proprietary BS. The Revue looks cool for video. I might get one for video (but it needs some more features) but there may be better competitors - I haven't researched this. It will not be part of my audio system. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
ralphpnj;613580 Wrote: > Apparently there seems to be lots of confusion about what UPnP means and > I count myself among those who are confused. > > From what I can gather a UPnP device is either a client or a server. In > the case of the Squeezebox devices, the Squeezebox is a client and the > computer running SBS is the server. The main difference between the > Squeezebox devices and many other UPnP devices is that while the > Squeezebox device is a client because it's ability to communicate with > SBS one has the ability to control the device using a remote. I've > never seen a clear explanation of exactly how other UPnP are > controlled. Again my understanding is that many of these devices are > controlled via software on the server and in the case of music the most > common software used to control the device is iTunes and that must be > controlled at the server. > > If I have anything wrong please feel free to correct and educate me > since I'm often puzzled as to why these very "dumb" UPnP clients are > being so highly touted. > > For point of reference I have a WD Live Plus box connected to my HDTV > which I use to stream movies. While the device can play music files it > does not have a good way to find what music is on the server and > whatever method it uses is nowhere near as good or as useful as SBS. > And one does need the TV to be on to select music. UPnP is neither a client nor a server, but a technology. It is used to enable the discovery of services and devices without the need for user configuration. Unfortuately - a probably the cause of the confusion - the term UPnP seems to becoming heavily associated with media servers that employ the technology as the name of the product. DLNA employs UPnP to advertise services as does the Microsoft equivalent (forget the name cos they keep changing it - used to be Windows Media Connect). Those servers could provide similar functionality as SBS, but in practice tend to be quite dumb - simply advertising the media available and then relying on the client to do the "work" - kind of the opposite to SBS. Therein lies the biggest drawback with such servers as the clients are not always compatible with the media and/or server, despite any claimed certification. -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
JezA;612984 Wrote: > Who's going to buy a squeezebox when the Logitech Revue does so much > more?? Streams music and video and gets you online, HDMI and USB > outputs, remote apps .. Allows you to use many different music and/or > video servers .. I don't think the Revue is going to be a SqueezeBox killer for many reasons, including those previously spelled out in this thread. Furthermore, I'd bet the Revue won't even be around for long as Revue sales are 70% below expectations and GoogleTV (the platform for the Revue) is stumbling quite badly. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384652,00.asp I'd bet they will stop Revue production within the next year. How committed Logitech is to the SqueezeBox line I cannot say. I was hoping Revue sales would help SqueezeBox/SBS/MySB.com investment and development by Logitech with Revue integration into these areas. But with such poor sales I don't see the Revue helping the SqueezeBox arena. :( -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
Apparently there seems to be lots of confusion about what UPnP means and I count myself among those who are confused. >From what I can gather a UPnP device is either a client or a server. In the case of the Squeezebox devices, the Squeezebox is a client and the computer running SBS is the server. The main difference between the Squeezebox devices and many other UPnP devices is that while the Squeezebox device is a client because it's ability to communicate with SBS one has the ability to control the device using a remote. I've never seen a clear explanation of exactly how other UPnP are controlled. Again my understanding is that many of these devices are controlled via software on the server and in the case of music the most common software used to control the device is iTunes and that must be controlled at the server. If I have anything wrong please feel free to correct and educate me since I'm often puzzled as to why these very "dumb" UPnP clients are being so highly touted. For point of reference I have a WD Live Plus box connected to my HDTV which I use to stream movies. While the device can play music files it does not have a good way to find what music is on the server and whatever method it uses is nowhere near as good or as useful as SBS. And one does need the TV to be on to select music. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
JezA;613028 Wrote: > FLAC has to be converted to PCM somewhere,either on your NAS or on your > squeezebox, so the power gets used whichever. > > You might only want to use your Harmony remote - many people will > prefer an iPhone/Touch/Android solution .. > > It's early days for the Revue yet, and indeed for Apple TV - but I > think they will be the future. Transcoding on the server side use more bandwidth to and that's not a good thing on WiFi. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
The revue IMHO is no competition to the SB. It requires a TV and a set-top box if I understand correctly. And than there is that huge keyboard. It just doesn't fit my audio requirements. -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
FLAC has to be converted to PCM somewhere,either on your NAS or on your squeezebox, so the power gets used whichever. You might only want to use your Harmony remote - many people will prefer an iPhone/Touch/Android solution .. It's early days for the Revue yet, and indeed for Apple TV - but I think they will be the future. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
JezA;612991 Wrote: > You don't have to have your tv on with the Revue either. > > Many UPnP servers will transcode FLAC to whatever you ask them to, so > that shouldn't be an issue. How do I browse my music without a display? iPhone is not an option for me as I don't want more than one remote (I use a Harmony). Transcoding use more power on my server. Don't get me wrong, I think the Revue looks like nice piece of hw but I don't think it could replace a SB. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
You don't have to have your tv on with the Revue either. Not sure that FLAC is unsupported; if it is, many UPnP servers will transcode to whatever you ask them to. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Logitech Revue Google TV wipe out Squeezebox?
I prefer not to have my TV on then listening o music. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
