Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Il 17/03/24 19:10, Pellegrino Prevete ha scritto: Sending again as Gmail SPF policy denied my previous message > Forwarded Message >> tallero [1] added the following comment to libisl25-static [2]: >> >> If Marcello Meszaros were a good maintainer >> he wouldn't need me to tell him each time for what packages >> my static depends are written for and he would go >> check himself. >> >> Actually he's capable of going check and lie, as with Banshee. >> >> As usual, I urge people to either make him stop making me lose so much >> time after his useless deletion requests. >> >> Many packages can't currently bu upgraded becausu Muflone disabled >> my mobile account. >> >> The attacks I've received from these two individuals are shameful >> to say the least and I'm starting to think they should >> be asked to go away. >> >> [1]https://aur.archlinux.org/account/tallero/ >> [2]https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/libisl25-static/ @tallero / @trucolo / Pellegrino Prevete your first account was suspended for disrespecting the AUR rules and decisions. Before suspending your trucolo account I asked you to read the Arch Linux code of conduct but unfortunately it seems you have not any intention to respect any rules. Therefore I'm going to delete this your latest comment and give you the final warning before banning you definitively from the AUR, in all of your accounts. Regards I can't see how suspending my mobile account can help me maintain my packages and do my work and not being detrimental to everybody. I see actions being taken irresponsably by people on high scranes. I consider this whole behaviour completely unacceptable: "if you want to refer to what i could have meant, please go check pag.4369 of third edition of the Zibaldone." Your packages maintenance is not a concern. Your first account was suspended because you direspect the rules and you still continue to disrespect the code of conduct [1] I linked you before by writing ad-personam messages attacking MarsSeed and writing others offensive comments and git commit messages. Unfortunately the suspension has not stopped you in acting in a bad way and therefore I gave you a last warning. If you'll continue to write offensive messages in AUR your accounts will be permanently banned. It's up to you to change this behavior or to stop it immediately as it's not tolerated [1] https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/ -- Muflone
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Il 17/03/24 19:10, Pellegrino Prevete ha scritto: >> Sending again as Gmail SPF policy denied my previous message >> >> > Forwarded Message >> >> tallero [1] added the following comment to libisl25-static [2]: >> >> >> >> If Marcello Meszaros were a good maintainer >> >> he wouldn't need me to tell him each time for what packages >> >> my static depends are written for and he would go >> >> check himself. >> >> >> >> Actually he's capable of going check and lie, as with Banshee. >> >> >> >> As usual, I urge people to either make him stop making me lose so much >> >> time after his useless deletion requests. >> >> >> >> Many packages can't currently bu upgraded becausu Muflone disabled >> >> my mobile account. >> >> >> >> The attacks I've received from these two individuals are shameful >> >> to say the least and I'm starting to think they should >> >> be asked to go away. >> >> >> >> [1]https://aur.archlinux.org/account/tallero/ >> >> [2]https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/libisl25-static/ >> >> @tallero / @trucolo / Pellegrino Prevete your first account was suspended for disrespecting the AUR rules and decisions. >> >> Before suspending your trucolo account I asked you to read the Arch Linux code of conduct but unfortunately it seems you have not any intention to respect any rules. >> >> Therefore I'm going to delete this your latest comment and give you the final warning before banning you definitively from the AUR, in all of your accounts. >> >> Regards > > I can't see how suspending my mobile account can help me maintain my packages and do my work and [...] Dear Muflone, because of that suspension I can't send code signed with my larger set of keys to the aur without adding those same keys to my main account, which I won't do. How after finally getting in touch directly on the mailing list to address your statement about an implied difference between a flash game and a nes rom should make you think disabling my account is gonna be more effective than addressing that statement and not creating issues for everybody is currently a mystery to me. At this point I am gonna wonder if the reason you disabled my mobile account is you have thought I can lose time managing sockpuppets and not simply following best practices. About my aur comments I do not see anything wrong with them, my packages are routinely sent for deletion instead of having their dependencies fixed and packages are deleted in such a way to slowly get down whole stacks seemingly on purpose. I do not receive any replies about these observations anywhere, I am instead reprehended on here for having reported in the comments the kind of pressures I receive. I hope we can talk in good terms from now on. Pellegrino
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): Original Message > tallero [1] added the following comment to python2-rpm [2]: > > I am obliged to obverve I am receiving yet another request for deletion > motivated with 'i am lazy to package the missing dependency which is > required to run this today, so i am requesting deletion and keeping ignoring > the critics i am being moved, which are that i do disrupt the service for > others > by requesting deletions on things which are working up until i record > it is so and hassillating the maintainer sending request packets while he is > attacked by the other person who's making so we send this maintainer out'.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Please kindly also remove Pellegrino's defamatory and disrespectful comment against myself and @Muflone from the following AUR page: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnome-sound-recorder-git
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Dear Muflone, because of that suspension I can't send code signed with my larger set of keys to the aur without adding those same keys to my main account, which I won't do. How after finally getting in touch directly on the mailing list to address your statement about an implied difference between a flash game and a nes rom should make you think disabling my account is gonna be more effective than addressing that statement and not creating issues for everybody is currently a mystery to me. I explained in many places the AUR is not the place where to upload ROM launchers, they are mere data files to use with an emulator and they don't need at all a system package, they won't received updates, and they would probably have legal issues, regardless if you get them from archive.org. ROM files are simple data files to use with an emulator, they don't require packages, nor pacman to manage them, considered also the fact such games are abandoned since more then 20 years and they will never receive any updates. Your account were suspended because you deliberately ignored the package concerns and you uploaded the package for the second time. It was deleted for the 2nd time and you uploaded the package for the third time, without even asking for an appeal, you simply ignored the package deletion. For this only reason you were suspended, not for the low quality packaging. It's sad to see you continue to ignore the main reason for your suspension. About my aur comments I do not see anything wrong with them, I read in a lot of places (AUR comments, mailing list comments, git commit comments, twitter) messages from you directed to MarsSeed or me, the latest was on the https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/libisl25-static for which you just received your last warning before a definitive ban from AUR in all of your accounts. Moving the discussion on your packages, or your inability to manage or update them, it's only a waste of time, you won't be able to maintain them if your accounts will be baned, so your only concern must be to solve the point for which you were suspended. I do not receive any replies about these observations anywhere, I am instead reprehended on here for having reported in the comments the kind of pressures I receive. Your packaging skills and your packages quality are not the reasons for your suspension. The only reason for your suspension is you not respecting the rules and the decisions. Stop wasting the time in moving the discussion in different arguments, you were suspended for multiple re-uploads after being warned and you were warned again for calling people. I repeat, it's up to you to behave well with only a single account. If you'll continue to write messages about people on the AUR, whoever will be, also the tallero account will be banned and the packages will be freed and given to someone else. Stop writing messages about people, about who is destructing the AUR in your opinion, whoever is "NU UAPP E CARTON" I'm actually ignoring you calling me a bully and insulting me on twitter/X, this is not the reason for you being suspended, it won't move the main point at all. First solve the main point and later we'll talk about the rest. regards -- Muflone
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...] Dear arch users, it's months now i keep receiving harrassments from Marcello in requests and comments. I have been thinking for quite some months to start livestreaming aur work sessions so everybody can witness the issues I am having with Marcello. I have already published one it which I update a package and make apparent the issues deriving from the suspension of my mobile account for the reason you see above, that is that Muflone consider roms not software products which depend on an application which supports them and had to suspend instead of, again, having this discussion we're having now in front of everybody here, in the place where I asked him to move, in the comments.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Dear arch users, it's months now i keep receiving harrassments from Marcello in requests and comments. I have been thinking for quite some months to start livestreaming aur work sessions so everybody can witness the issues I am having with Marcello. I have already published one it which I update a package and make apparent the issues deriving from the suspension of my mobile account for the reason you see above, that is that Muflone consider roms not software products which depend on an application which supports them and had to suspend instead of, again, having this discussion we're having now in front of everybody here, in the place where I asked him to move, in the comments. Dear arch users, it's months now i keep receiving harrassments from Marcello in requests and comments. I have been thinking for quite some months to start livestreaming aur work sessions so everybody can witness the issues I am having with him. I have already published one it which I update a package and make apparent the issues deriving from the suspension of my mobile account for the reason you see above in this thread, that is that Muflone consider roms not software products which depend on applications which supports handling them and had to suspend my account instead of, again, having this discussion we're having here now in front of everybody here, the place where I asked him to move our discussion from the comments. Comments you can't read because they get lost when pages are deleted. As you can also understand from Marcello's previous comment, he complains i do not reply to emails thread and me that he does not reply to aurweb comments. I find this whole matter surreal. In general he does not sends code and he just stands there pointing a gun to an old package whenever I'm doing anything, I receive machine gun out of dates and get insulted routinely. Really I have started recording work sessions to just give external people an idea of what he considers 'polite' to do. Pellegrino
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos – > Dear Muflone, > > because of that suspension I can't send code signed with my larger set of keys to the aur without adding those same keys to my main account, which I won't do. > How after finally getting in touch directly on the mailing list to address your statement about an implied difference between a flash game and a nes rom should make you think disabling my account is gonna be more effective than addressing that statement and not creating issues for everybody is currently a mystery to me. I explained in many places the AUR is not the place where to upload ROM launchers, they are mere data files to use with an emulator and they don't need at all a system package, they won't received updates, and they would probably have legal issues, regardless if you get them from archive.org. ROM files are simple data files to use with an emulator, they don't require packages, nor pacman to manage them, considered also the fact such games are abandoned since more then 20 years and they will never receive any updates. Your account were suspended because you deliberately ignored the package concerns and you uploaded the package for the second time. It was deleted for the 2nd time and you uploaded the package for the third time, without even asking for an appeal, you simply ignored the package deletion. For this only reason you were suspended, not for the low quality packaging. It's sad to see you continue to ignore the main reason for your suspension. > About my aur comments I do not see anything wrong with them, I read in a lot of places (AUR comments, mailing list comments, git commit comments, twitter) messages from you directed to MarsSeed or me, the latest was on the https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/libisl25-static for which you just received your last warning before a definitive ban from AUR in all of your accounts. Moving the discussion on your packages, or your inability to manage or update them, it's only a waste of time, you won't be able to maintain them if your accounts will be baned, so your only concern must be to solve the point for which you were suspended. [...] Dear Muflone, this single-handled statement: "Moving the discussion on your packages, or your inability to manage or update them, it's only a waste of time, you won't be able to maintain them if your accounts will be baned, so your only concern must be to solve the point for which you were suspended." leaves me so sad by itself i am speechless and I urge somebody else with proven basic understanding of human behaviour to intervene in this thread.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...] This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Il 17/03/24 21:38, Pellegrino Prevete ha scritto: Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...] This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on. Do you have received some insults from anyone? Could you please send me the details about that? -- Fabio Castelli aka Muflone
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on. He deletes packages in such a way he can always file a next request saying 'this package is not a depends of anything and its old production software (as if it were a good reason to hide working software or killing whole stacks because of minor adjustments)'. He just filed yet another request, this time for a package I updated recently, python2-backports.csv. needed to build something he deleted or was deleted from extra and destined to republished on the aur. This is the just the tip of the iceberg of his passive aggressive behaviour.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
On 17 March 2024 21:38:21 GMT+01:00, Pellegrino Prevete wrote: >> Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR >> pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant >> email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary >> incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...] > >This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge >dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the >main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and >kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at >time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my >own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public >build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this >sharade on. > "This individual" has a name and deserves to be called by that. It is btw Marcell, with double L in the end and no "O". None of what Pellegrino states about me is true. I was always respectful to him and I only sent legitimate requests. The "huge dependency trees" were broken when Python2 was dropped from the repos in Nov 2021. Then Pellegrino took ownership of many AUR Python2 packages and did nothing on most of them for 2 years, while he changed or newly uploaded some but in a broken state, then again he disappeared from AUR for 9 more months. To this day, after 3 years, Pellegrino's packages like python2-urllib3 / python2-requests / python2-pip are unbuildable due to several breakages in the dependency chain. @Muflone I imploren you, please make him stop this tirade and attack.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
>Do you have received some insults from anyone? Could you please send me the >details about that? Just these huge walls of text on the public mailing list stating vague untruths about me and assertions without evidence that I attacked him...
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Pellegrino, please kindly stop this uncivilized behavior and hysteria.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Pellegrino, please kindly stop this uncivilized behavior and hysteria. You just sent another ten requests and you routinely send for deletion packages you made me upgrade hours earlier. You are completely insane.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
On 17 March 2024 22:08:10 GMT+01:00, Pellegrino Prevete wrote about me: > >You are completely insane. @Muflone and other PM's, is this acceptable language against someone in the Arch/AUR community?
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
On 17 March 2024 21:38:21 GMT+01:00, Pellegrino Prevete wrote: >> Pellegrino continues to post more defamatory than relevant comments on AUR pages in response to deletion requests instead of replying to the relevant email thread (e.g. for python2-rpm - PRQ#57945 - which is binary incompatible with current librpm.so in repo, and also unused on AUR): [...] > >This individual who has even the courage of replying has broken huge dependency trees in front of me without any shame because of one liners in the main packages, has ignored my private communications on logistic issues and kept insulting me, has sent me packets of 10-20 out dates notifications at time, has seized hardware packages for my machine, has seized packages of my own software, has kept ignoring all my hints to check my centralized public build and changes log and schedule to work together instead of keeping this sharade on. > "This individual" has a name and deserves to be called by that. It is btw Marcell, with double L in the end and no "O". None of what Pellegrino states about me is true. I was always respectful to him and I only sent legitimate requests. The "huge dependency trees" were broken when Python2 was dropped from the repos in Nov 2021. Then Pellegrino took ownership of many AUR Python2 packages and did nothing on most of them for 2 years, while he changed or newly uploaded some but in a broken state, then again he disappeared from AUR for 9 more months. To this day, after 3 years, Pellegrino's packages like python2-urllib3 / python2-requests / python2-pip are unbuildable due to several breakages in the dependency chain. @Muflone I imploren you, please make him stop this tirade and attack. It's months I am requesting the arch team a continuous integration tool for aur i have ended up writing myself just to force him to at least show me what exactly are the issues he complains. To read him write 'his absense from the aur' as if i didn't even privately described him the personal issues i was having is intolerable. Like imagine breaking a leg and have Marcell knowing that and keep ignoring it in public. Imagine complaining with somebody he calls you your name in his language to ease things after an year and a half knowing him. Users of this aur who have interacted with me over those 9 months or so who would read such statements of him would horrify knowing he knows more or less the same things they know yet he is even mentioning them. What a surreal individual.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
@Muflone and other PM's, is this acceptable language against someone in the Arch/AUR community? I must stress this was an hyperbole and I don't certainly think you're crazy and I hope this can be sorted out somehow.
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Ey, Something you might want to work on is differentiating between the contexts of emails and chats. I see that you have Telegram configured as your email client, so you may not realize that. Many people, including me, try to contain everything we have to say in a single message instead of treating the medium like the rapid-fire pace and short lengths of instant messaging. Emails are also usually expected to be a lot more cordial, although that doesn't mean you can't be casual. -- Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
Hey, Can we please wrap this up? I don't care if Tallero gets permanently suspended or not. We've all seen this discussion before just 2 months ago and it lasted for over two weeks and 39 emails.[1] Could we either just ban Tallero for clear violation of the code of conduct or move the discussion elsewhere? Kind regards, Levitating [1]: https://lists.archlinux.org/hyperkitty/list/aur-general@lists.archlinux.org/thread/GOOJIO56E2GGTBPF4FHTYXSUKPBJ3BIQ/
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:56:17 +0100 "Rein Fernhout (Levitating)" said: > Hey, > > Can we please wrap this up? I don't care if Tallero gets permanently > suspended or not. We've all seen this discussion before just 2 months ago > and it lasted for over two weeks and 39 emails.[1] Could we either just > ban Tallero for clear violation of the code of conduct or move the > discussion elsewhere? +1 - Wrap it up. I've tried to figure out what was going on... I couldn't. Talk of insulting messages never got me to any (following what sparse links were provided), probably because they were all deleted by the time I looked. Also the email threads essentially amount to instant message bickering that provide little signal to noise. In future, it'd be nice to quote and collect the offending messages and context somewhere for people to look at and evaluate. Perhaps hold off on deletion of "evidence" until matters are finally settled? -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
You can check out Prevete's Twitter account. Cheers, Aᴀʀᴏɴ > On Mar 18, 2024, at 7:01 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:56:17 +0100 "Rein Fernhout (Levitating)" > said: > >> Hey, >> >> Can we please wrap this up? I don't care if Tallero gets permanently >> suspended or not. We've all seen this discussion before just 2 months ago >> and it lasted for over two weeks and 39 emails.[1] Could we either just >> ban Tallero for clear violation of the code of conduct or move the >> discussion elsewhere? > > +1 - Wrap it up. > > I've tried to figure out what was going on... I couldn't. Talk of insulting > messages never got me to any (following what sparse links were provided), > probably because they were all deleted by the time I looked. Also the email > threads essentially amount to instant message bickering that provide little > signal to noise. > > In future, it'd be nice to quote and collect the offending messages and > context > somewhere for people to look at and evaluate. Perhaps hold off on deletion of > "evidence" until matters are finally settled? > > -- > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com >
Re: (suspension of Pellegrino Prevete) - was: removal of yuzu from the official repos
On 3/17/24 20:05, Muflone wrote: It's up to you to change this behavior or to stop it immediately as it's not tolerated [1] https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/ As this mail thread has derailed without progressing with the topic in a constructive manner I have decided to add the involved accounts (marsseed & pellegrinoprevete) to the moderation queue for this mailing list. This thread is hereby considered closed for other people as well. Please refrain from answering to it (on the list) or otherwise we'll have to put additional moderation in place. The AUR moderation team is aware of the situation on the AUR and will act accordingly, as muflone has pointed out in his answers earlier in the thread. It's sad to see that this has gone so far and I hope we can ensure a better environment for everybody in the future! Cheers, gromit -- Arch Linux Package Maintainer & DevOps Team OpenPGP_0x93B11DAA4C197E3D.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
