Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Lumpy Paterson]

Good one thx Bernard

Cheers

Lumpy
0487 531 265

On 23 Feb 2017, at 3:05 PM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. 
mailto:ec...@internode.on.net>> wrote:

Please try tshir...@internode.on.net.

Kind regards

Bernard


On 23 Feb 2017, at 5:28 pm, Lumpy Paterson 
mailto:lu...@lpcontracting.com.au>> wrote:

Can someone give me a contact No for Tim Shirley please.

Cheers

Mark

On 23 Feb 2017, at 2:55 PM, Mark Newton 
mailto:new...@atdot.dotat.org>> wrote:

On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jim Staniforth 
mailto:staniforth...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Seems to me that Trig transponders are the easiest to install and keep 
certified. I've installed two TT21s and the current TT22, also a couple of 
Becker 4401s. Removed a Garmin and a couple of Terra(ble)s.

What are you using as a position source to get ADS-B out of the Trigs?

- mark


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Class 2 Medical Reform CASA - submissions due 30 March 17

[Peter Champness]

Do we (ie GFA) have any data on accidents due to medical incapacitation,
which a medical examination might have detected?   I can think of one
incident which may have been related to dehydration hence not related to
medical certification.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jo Pocklington 
wrote:

> 23 Feb 17 : CASA Briefing Newsletter - More comments needed on the future
> of medicals
>
> Time is running down on the chance to have a say on the future of pilot
> medical certification. CASA needs comments from people across the aviation
> community on a comprehensive medical discussion paper. While some people
> have already sent submissions, many more are needed. The paper sets out a
> range of medical certification issues and puts forward a number of options.
> These options range from continuing existing medical requirements to
> developing a new medical certificate for the sport and recreational
> sectors. They also include re-assessing risk tolerances, streamlining
> certification practices, aligning sport and recreational standards and
> mitigating the risks of any changes through operational restrictions. The
> discussion paper looks at a range of other relevant issues such as CASA’s
> approach to aviation medicine, the approach to medical certification in
> four other nations, pilot incapacitation in Australia, accidents and risks,
> psychiatric conditions and the protection of third parties. The discussion
> paper makes it clear CASA’s operational objective is to strive to let as
> many people continue to fly as safely as possible. However, CASA is aware
> there is a perception from some elements of the pilot community that CASA
> can take an overly rigorous approach in terms of testing and contesting
> opinions from other doctors.  Comment on the medical discussion paper
>  by 30
> March 2017.
>
>
>
> Regarding Class 2 Medical reform, AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August
> 2016 which you may wish to support (2 page summary CASA discussion paper
> and AOPO recommendation attached).  Possibilities include addressing each
> of the 6 options put forward by CASA, or simply stating that "*the AOPO
> proposal dated 23 August 2016 regarding Class 2 Medical reform is supported
> by me*".  Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au by 30 March 17 and should
> include in the subject line:  'AvMed discussion paper'.
>
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Future Aviation Pty. Ltd.]

Please try tshir...@internode.on.net .

Kind regards

Bernard 


> On 23 Feb 2017, at 5:28 pm, Lumpy Paterson  wrote:
> 
> Can someone give me a contact No for Tim Shirley please.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark 
> 
>> On 23 Feb 2017, at 2:55 PM, Mark Newton  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jim Staniforth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems to me that Trig transponders are the easiest to install and keep 
>>> certified. I've installed two TT21s and the current TT22, also a couple of 
>>> Becker 4401s. Removed a Garmin and a couple of Terra(ble)s.
>> 
>> What are you using as a position source to get ADS-B out of the Trigs?
>> 
>> - mark
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Lumpy Paterson]

Can someone give me a contact No for Tim Shirley please.

Cheers

Mark 

> On 23 Feb 2017, at 2:55 PM, Mark Newton  wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jim Staniforth  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to me that Trig transponders are the easiest to install and keep 
>> certified. I've installed two TT21s and the current TT22, also a couple of 
>> Becker 4401s. Removed a Garmin and a couple of Terra(ble)s.
> 
> What are you using as a position source to get ADS-B out of the Trigs?
> 
>  - mark
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Mark Newton]

On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Jim Staniforth  wrote:
> 
>  Seems to me that Trig transponders are the easiest to install and keep 
> certified. I've installed two TT21s and the current TT22, also a couple of 
> Becker 4401s. Removed a Garmin and a couple of Terra(ble)s.

What are you using as a position source to get ADS-B out of the Trigs?

  - mark


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Class 2 Medical Reform CASA - submissions due 30 March 17

[Mike Borgelt]

According to Australian Flying

http://www.australianflying.com.au/latest/aviation-community-goes-quiet-on-medical-feedback

They have had as few as 10 submissions so far.

Maybe everyone in Australian aviation is just sick of  CASA and their 
obtuse, cloth eared approach to aviation regulation?


Mike




At 12:15 PM 2/23/2017, you wrote:



23 Feb 17 : CASA Briefing Newsletter - More comments needed on the 
future of medicals




Time is running down on the chance to have a say on the future of 
pilot medical certification. CASA needs comments from people across 
the aviation community on a comprehensive medical discussion paper. 
While some people have already sent submissions, many more are 
needed. The paper sets out a range of medical certification issues 
and puts forward a number of options. These options range from 
continuing existing medical requirements to developing a new medical 
certificate for the sport and recreational sectors. They also 
include re-assessing risk tolerances, streamlining certification 
practices, aligning sport and recreational standards and mitigating 
the risks of any changes through operational restrictions. The 
discussion paper looks at a range of other relevant issues such as 
CASA's approach to aviation medicine, the approach to medical 
certification in four other nations, pilot incapacitation in 
Australia, accidents and risks, psychiatric conditions and the 
protection of third parties. The discussion paper makes it clear 
CASA's operational objective is to strive to let as many people 
continue to fly as safely as possible. However, CASA is aware there 
is a perception from some elements of the pilot community that CASA 
can take an overly rigorous approach in terms of testing and 
contesting opinions from other doctors.  Comment on the 
medical 
discussion paper by 30 March 2017.


Regarding Class 2 Medical reform, AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 
August 2016 which you may wish to support (2 page summary CASA 
discussion paper and AOPO recommendation attached).  Possibilities 
include addressing each of the 6 options put forward by CASA, or 
simply stating that "the AOPO proposal dated 23 August 2016 
regarding Class 2 Medical reform is supported by me".  Submissions 
to avmed...@casa.gov.au by 30 March 17 
and should include in the subject line:  'AvMed discussion paper'.




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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Jim Staniforth]

It's all good stuff to have.
  Flying in the USA with PowerFLARMs since they were introduced, it's a 
laugh that some airliners are not ADS-B equipped while an increasing 
number of single engine aircraft are. This is most noticeable while 
flying out of Jean, 21NM from Las Vegas McCarran.
  The PF Core connected to a flight computer will provide audible 
warnings of conflicting FLARM, Mode S and ADS-B traffic, according to 
your preference.
  Transponders are nice for clearances as well as ATC awareness. In USA 
the transponder also permits Class B overflight without talking to ATC.
  Seems to me that Trig transponders are the easiest to install and keep 
certified. I've installed two TT21s and the current TT22, also a couple 
of Becker 4401s. Removed a Garmin and a couple of Terra(ble)s.

Jim


-- Original Message --
From: "DMcD" 
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 


Sent: 2/22/2017 2:06:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

3. Even when a considerable amount of VFR aircraft are converted to 
mode-S, most of them still won’t be broadcasting ADS-B.



I’m now so visible that I feel like I’m naked when I’m flying


I was thinking of installing a Power FLARM or the TRX-1090 which
appears to do the same job if you already have a FLARM and display but
the fact that 90% of GA and RA-Aus aircraft would still be invisible
made it not seem worthwhile at this stage.

There's a CASA graph around somewhere and it shows that while IFR
aircraft are mostly fitted with this type of instrumentation, hardly
anyone else is.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Mike Borgelt]

The under the panel cover area can get to 80+ deg C.

In Australia a long time ago an interior plastics 
manufacturer was proud of the 85 deg C resistant 
plastic he was proposing for the interiors of Holdens and Falcons.

No good, they had to go to 105 deg C.

Rule of thumb for electronics: Mean time between 
failures halves for every 10 deg C temperature rise.
Having said that the exposure time is likely a 
few hundred hours a year and the rest of the time 
the temperature is more benign in the trailer or hangar.


However DO cut that vent hole in the panel cover 
and use a canopy cover when the glider is parked 
in the sun. You really don't want to get into a 60+ degree cockpit do you?


Mike










At 09:24 PM 2/22/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0087_01D28D5A.7ECD9120"
Content-Language: en-au

Richard,
My (non- technical), guess is that you are 100% right.

In this country even the under-deck area can get 
very hot, maybe  50 – 60 degree C . Both 
Borgelt and McPhee – from om time immemorial 
–have  been advising pilots to cut a vent hole 
in the instrument shroud to help minimize this 
problem. To my mind a total no-brainer. I do 
this mod  as a matter of course, and have never 
had a instrument failure issue from this  problem source.


Quite obviously if the plastic cases of above 
deck units have melted, then the temperature 
required  to do this must be MUCH higher than 
what I have quote above. If you expect your 
electronics to still function under these 
extremes then all  I can say here is “Barley 
Charley”: You need to return to La-la land!


Cheers,
Gary

From: Aus-soaring 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley

Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 8:24 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

its not just OzFlarm. I have seen just about 
every manufacturer product across my repair desk on the last 2 years.


I would not have expected as many failures of 
older units either, but they are failing and 
reducing in performance. This is why we invested 
in expensive RF test equipment to measure Tx and 
Rx performance and characteristics so we can be sure.


From the visual state of units, it looks like 
top of deck mounted units are failing more that 
under deck, with the small sample size I could 
be wrong, but it gets very hot on the deck. i 
have had units back where the plastic case has melted!




On 22 Feb 2017, at 8:12 PM, Peter Champness 
<plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:

What is wrong with AusFlarm?

It is all solid stae electronics.  Why are they 
all failing?  10 year life span is pathetic.


I am not planning to reinvest intil a better 
alternative comes along.  I have a Flarm., That is all.


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Justin Couch 
<jus...@vlc.com.au> wrote:
With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing 
up daisies, and more likely to follow soon, it's 
time for us to get some new ones. We fly at 
Camden, so lots and lots of random air traffic 
about - some IFR, lots of RAAUS types etc. Thus, 
PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a 
reasonable thing for us to contemplate.  What's 
the general thoughts on where that is going and 
adoption rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded 
their mandatory requirements for it, and 
something happened here in Oz around it too, but my google-fu is weak.


If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, 
then the horizon of the adoption of ADS-B is the 
interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[DMcD]

>>3. Even when a considerable amount of VFR aircraft are converted to mode-S, 
>>most of them still won’t be broadcasting ADS-B.

>>I’m now so visible that I feel like I’m naked when I’m flying

I was thinking of installing a Power FLARM or the TRX-1090 which
appears to do the same job if you already have a FLARM and display but
the fact that 90% of GA and RA-Aus aircraft would still be invisible
made it not seem worthwhile at this stage.

There's a CASA graph around somewhere and it shows that while IFR
aircraft are mostly fitted with this type of instrumentation, hardly
anyone else is.

D
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Richard Frawley]

a lot of the early flarms had the LEDS built in. putting the unit on top of the 
deck was an easy install and clear to eye. In europe less an issue with egg 
frying days. not so here. 

with miniOz, mouse, powerflarm, etc they all require a remote visual display 
which due to the small size can be fitted to the panel. the main units should 
all be hidden away in nice shaded, ventilated areas as suggested.



> On 23 Feb 2017, at 12:07 AM, Al Borowski  wrote:
> 
>> On 22/02/2017, Peter Champness  wrote:
>> What is wrong with AusFlarm?
>> 
>> It is all solid stae electronics.  Why are they all failing?
> 
> I've never looked at one in my life, but unfortunately "solid state"
> doesn't mean eternal life. Component values drift as time goes on,
> which plays havoc on any precision analogue circuitry. Capacitors dry
> out, messing with the power supply. Sometimes environmental
> contamination causes problems. Sulphur can attack surface mount
> resistors and make them gradually fail open-circuit. Circuit board
> traces can get hairline cracks and heavy components can vibrate their
> way off the board.
> 
> You can also get really weird phenomena where 2 conducting surfaces
> (think a crimp and a pin) rub ever so slightly against each other and
> build up a thin, non-conductive layer. This layer then instantly
> breaks the moment anyone pulls the surface apart to inspect, leaving
> the repairman scratching his head.
> 
> A lot of this stuff doesn't show up until after the design has been
> exposed to the world for years. It is much easier to keep electronics
> running in an air-conditioned room than in an industrial or
> aeronautical environment. Additionally Apple etc probably has a much
> larger budget for reliability testing than the developer of the
> powerFlarm.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Al Borowski]

On 22/02/2017, Peter Champness  wrote:
> What is wrong with AusFlarm?
>
> It is all solid stae electronics.  Why are they all failing?

I've never looked at one in my life, but unfortunately "solid state"
doesn't mean eternal life. Component values drift as time goes on,
which plays havoc on any precision analogue circuitry. Capacitors dry
out, messing with the power supply. Sometimes environmental
contamination causes problems. Sulphur can attack surface mount
resistors and make them gradually fail open-circuit. Circuit board
traces can get hairline cracks and heavy components can vibrate their
way off the board.

You can also get really weird phenomena where 2 conducting surfaces
(think a crimp and a pin) rub ever so slightly against each other and
build up a thin, non-conductive layer. This layer then instantly
breaks the moment anyone pulls the surface apart to inspect, leaving
the repairman scratching his head.

A lot of this stuff doesn't show up until after the design has been
exposed to the world for years. It is much easier to keep electronics
running in an air-conditioned room than in an industrial or
aeronautical environment. Additionally Apple etc probably has a much
larger budget for reliability testing than the developer of the
powerFlarm.

Cheers,

Al
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Mark Newton]

On 22 Feb 2017, at 7:32 PM, Justin Couch  wrote:
> If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the 
> adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.


As of the current date:

Any new aircraft placed on the Australian register which expects to fly in 
class E or class C airspace or in any class of airspace above 10,000' must have 
a mode-S transponder. 

(There are exemptions for aircraft which don’t have an electrical system 
capable of continuously powering a transponder. Given the power requirements of 
modern kit, it’s debatable whether a glider still qualifies for the exemption, 
but CASA are happy to let it slide for now)

Any new transponder fitted to an Australian aircraft which is intended to 
operate in class E or class C airspace must be mode-S.

Any aircraft which is flying IFR in any airspace must have a mode-S transponder 
which broadcasts ADS-B, unless they’re being used for private flight only, in 
which case there’s an extension. The extension came so late that much of the 
Australian IFR fleet was very likely converted over to ADS-B already before it 
was issued.

At the current time, it is still lawful to fit a mode-C transponder to aircraft 
which will never fly in class E or class C (e.g., aircraft that spend their 
whole lives in class G with the odd occasional foray into class D airports). 

I believe it’s foolish to fit new mode-C installations even in that case, 
though: Mode-S transponders with built-in digital altitude encoders which sip 
hardly any power are cheap, and mode-C transponders are getting harder and 
harder to find.

You’re only allowed to make ADS-B broadcasts with your mode-S transponder if 
you have a GNSS position source which meets the applicable TSOs. That adds 
considerably to the price of ADS-B unless you already have something like a 
Garmin GNS430W (unlikely in a glider) or if you’ve found a cheap transponder 
with a TSO GNSS hockey-puck built in (Garmin does one, but it isn’t 
attractively cheap IMHO)

So, to summarize:

1. For all intents and purposes, mode C probably won’t be fitted to aircraft 
anymore.

2. As existing mode-C devices in VFR aircraft develop faults, it’ll be cheaper 
to replace them with mode-S than to repair them.

3. Even when a considerable amount of VFR aircraft are converted to mode-S, 
most of them still won’t be broadcasting ADS-B.

4. Almost all IFR-capable aircraft will already be broadcasting ADS-B as of the 
beginning of this month.

I went through all this late last year: Had a Trig TT21 installed in the RV-6 
last month, connected up to the Garmin GNS430W navigator that I already owned, 
broadcasting ADS-B. I’m now so visible that I feel like I’m naked when I’m 
flying :-)

Cheers,

  - mark


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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

[Gary Stevenson]

Ross,

I am surprised at your naivety. We all know that the stork brings these 
children, and that farmers have nothing  to do with it!

 

And then the next game (in many instances), is  ... drum roll 
.Family Feud.

 

G

 

From: Ross McLean [mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 9:31 PM
To: 'Bruce Taylor'; 'Tom & Kerrie Claffey'; 'Gary Stevenson'; 'JOHN DAVID 
STYLES'; 'Tim Shirley - IT Admin'
Cc: 'Beryl Hartley'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 
'Gliding Australia Forum'; 'Ray Stewart'
Subject: RE: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

Isn't that why Farmers have children?

 

_
 

 Ross McLean

 Mobile:   + 61 488 270 105

Telephone:   + 61 7 4325 4771

 

From: Bruce Taylor [mailto:brucetaylo...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 4:39 PM
To: 'Tom & Kerrie Claffey'; 'Gary Stevenson'; 'JOHN DAVID STYLES'; 'Tim Shirley 
- IT Admin'
Cc: 'Beryl Hartley'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 
'Gliding Australia Forum'; 'Ray Stewart'; 'Ross McLean'
Subject: RE: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

I’m in the same boat as Tom, and I get on with my employer really well! Would 
love to come to Horsham (GP and Horsham week) and the two-seat comps, but time 
away from home and work through the last year has been very heavy. I just need 
to figure out how to retire!

 

BT

 

From: Tom & Kerrie Claffey [mailto:tom.ker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:19 PM
To: Gary Stevenson; JOHN DAVID STYLES; Tim Shirley - IT Admin
Cc: Beryl Hartley; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 
Gliding Australia Forum; Ray Stewart; Ross McLean
Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

I will certainly try to get to Horsham for the GP next year, unfortunately I 
barely made it to Benalla with leave from work! (I was always going one way or 
another) The two seat comp also would be great, however not retired yet, too 
many comps, not enough time. :(

Tom

...

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 14:07, Gary Stevenson  wrote:

Hi Tim & All,

Thank you all for your considered responses.

 

I agree with Tim that the Horsham SGP event was a success, and also his comment 
that “the result was positive for the organising club, and for the town of 
Horsham. I cannot comment on “for the GFA”, but I will take Tim’s word on this. 
There is no doubt that the racing was fine, and the race to the line (and 
honours), on the last day was a nail biter.

 

Depending on weather (as always), Horsham can be a great site to fly out of. 

 

I too hope we can get a full field for the 2018 SGP next January .. and 
even if you do not have an 18 m super ship, you can still fly in the Horsham 
Week Competition – believed to be the longest continuous running competition  
in the world. You do not have to remember dates here.

It ALWAYS starts on the first Saturday in February, regardless of the actual 
date. There is no practice day: The first Saturday is contest day 1. In my 
experience this has never caused any problems. [This is something that 
organisers of other contests might think about trying.]  Over the years 500k 
plus tasks have been flown  regularly, and  on occasion even by the Club Class.

 

Regards,

Gary

 

 

From: Tim Shirley - IT Admin [mailto:it_ad...@glidingaustralia.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 12:30 PM
To: JOHN DAVID STYLES
Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Ross McLean; Gary 
Stevenson; Ray Stewart; Gliding Australia Forum; Beryl Hartley


Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

 

Hi all,

 

As the Contest Director of the SGP Qualifying Round in Horsham, I need to 
correct several claims made in the previous email.

 

The SGP at Horsham was widely promoted to eligible pilots both in Australia and 
overseas, both by the organisation itself and by the SGP organisation in Europe.

 

The SGP is not an event intended for wide-ranging participation - it is an 
international sailplane Grand Prix event intended to attract elite pilots from 
Australia and overseas.  It is not a handicapped event, and so it makes sense 
only for pilots with top of the line 18 metre gliders to attend.  Only 20 
competitors are permitted.

 

There were 14 entries out of a possible 20.  6 of those pilots went on to 
compete in the WGC - two from the US, two from NZ and two from Australia. The 
remainder were Australian pilots with top of the line gliders and good 
experience levels.  It was a top class field of elite pilots.

 

The competition was hard fought and close, and on the podium we had a pilot 
from each of the countries who attended.

 

It is notable that the SGP Champion Geoff Brown was not a WGC competitor, but 
still beat every one of the WGC competito

Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Gary Stevenson]

Richard,

My (non- technical), guess is that you are 100% right.

 

In this country even the under-deck area can get very hot, maybe  50 – 60 
degree C . Both Borgelt and McPhee – from time immemorial –have  been advising 
pilots to cut a vent hole in the instrument shroud to help minimize this 
problem. To my mind a total no-brainer. I do this mod  as a matter of course, 
and have never had a instrument failure issue from this  problem source.

 

Quite obviously if the plastic cases of above deck units have melted, then the 
temperature required  to do this must be MUCH higher than what I have quote 
above. If you expect your electronics to still function under these extremes 
then all  I can say here is “Barley Charley”: You need to return to La-la land!

 

Cheers,

Gary

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of 
Richard Frawley
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 8:24 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

 

its not just OzFlarm. I have seen just about every manufacturer product across 
my repair desk on the last 2 years. 

 

I would not have expected as many failures of older units either, but they are 
failing and reducing in performance. This is why we invested in expensive RF 
test equipment to measure Tx and Rx performance and characteristics so we can 
be sure.

 

>From the visual state of units, it looks like top of deck mounted units are 
>failing more that under deck, with the small sample size I could be wrong, but 
>it gets very hot on the deck. i have had units back where the plastic case has 
>melted!

 

 


On 22 Feb 2017, at 8:12 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:

What is wrong with AusFlarm?

 

It is all solid stae electronics.  Why are they all failing?  10 year life span 
is pathetic.

 

I am not planning to reinvest intil a better alternative comes along.  I have a 
Flarm., That is all.

 

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Justin Couch  wrote:

With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing up daisies, and more likely to 
follow soon, it's time for us to get some new ones. We fly at Camden, so lots 
and lots of random air traffic about - some IFR, lots of RAAUS types etc. Thus, 
PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a reasonable thing for us to 
contemplate.  What's the general thoughts on where that is going and adoption 
rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded their mandatory requirements for it, and 
something happened here in Oz around it too, but my google-fu is weak.

If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the 
adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

[Ross McLean]

Isn't that why Farmers have children?

 

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 Ross McLean

 Mobile:   + 61 488 270 105

Telephone:   + 61 7 4325 4771

 

From: Bruce Taylor [mailto:brucetaylo...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 4:39 PM
To: 'Tom & Kerrie Claffey'; 'Gary Stevenson'; 'JOHN DAVID STYLES'; 'Tim Shirley 
- IT Admin'
Cc: 'Beryl Hartley'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 
'Gliding Australia Forum'; 'Ray Stewart'; 'Ross McLean'
Subject: RE: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

I’m in the same boat as Tom, and I get on with my employer really well! Would 
love to come to Horsham (GP and Horsham week) and the two-seat comps, but time 
away from home and work through the last year has been very heavy. I just need 
to figure out how to retire!

 

BT

 

From: Tom & Kerrie Claffey [mailto:tom.ker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:19 PM
To: Gary Stevenson; JOHN DAVID STYLES; Tim Shirley - IT Admin
Cc: Beryl Hartley; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 
Gliding Australia Forum; Ray Stewart; Ross McLean
Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

I will certainly try to get to Horsham for the GP next year, unfortunately I 
barely made it to Benalla with leave from work! (I was always going one way or 
another) The two seat comp also would be great, however not retired yet, too 
many comps, not enough time. :(

Tom

...

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 14:07, Gary Stevenson  wrote:

Hi Tim & All,

Thank you all for your considered responses.

 

I agree with Tim that the Horsham SGP event was a success, and also his comment 
that “the result was positive for the organising club, and for the town of 
Horsham. I cannot comment on “for the GFA”, but I will take Tim’s word on this. 
There is no doubt that the racing was fine, and the race to the line (and 
honours), on the last day was a nail biter.

 

Depending on weather (as always), Horsham can be a great site to fly out of. 

 

I too hope we can get a full field for the 2018 SGP next January .. and 
even if you do not have an 18 m super ship, you can still fly in the Horsham 
Week Competition – believed to be the longest continuous running competition  
in the world. You do not have to remember dates here.

It ALWAYS starts on the first Saturday in February, regardless of the actual 
date. There is no practice day: The first Saturday is contest day 1. In my 
experience this has never caused any problems. [This is something that 
organisers of other contests might think about trying.]  Over the years 500k 
plus tasks have been flown  regularly, and  on occasion even by the Club Class.

 

Regards,

Gary

 

 

From: Tim Shirley - IT Admin [mailto:it_ad...@glidingaustralia.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 12:30 PM
To: JOHN DAVID STYLES
Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Ross McLean; Gary 
Stevenson; Ray Stewart; Gliding Australia Forum; Beryl Hartley


Subject: Re: [gfaforum] Congratulations to the Two Seat Championship Winners

 

 

Hi all,

 

As the Contest Director of the SGP Qualifying Round in Horsham, I need to 
correct several claims made in the previous email.

 

The SGP at Horsham was widely promoted to eligible pilots both in Australia and 
overseas, both by the organisation itself and by the SGP organisation in Europe.

 

The SGP is not an event intended for wide-ranging participation - it is an 
international sailplane Grand Prix event intended to attract elite pilots from 
Australia and overseas.  It is not a handicapped event, and so it makes sense 
only for pilots with top of the line 18 metre gliders to attend.  Only 20 
competitors are permitted.

 

There were 14 entries out of a possible 20.  6 of those pilots went on to 
compete in the WGC - two from the US, two from NZ and two from Australia. The 
remainder were Australian pilots with top of the line gliders and good 
experience levels.  It was a top class field of elite pilots.

 

The competition was hard fought and close, and on the podium we had a pilot 
from each of the countries who attended.

 

It is notable that the SGP Champion Geoff Brown was not a WGC competitor, but 
still beat every one of the WGC competitors who had every right to expect that 
they would walk off with it.

 

The promotion both before and during the event was handled very well by the 
local organisation and by Sean Young the GFA webmaster.  More can always be 
done, of course.

 

Everyone knew that the SGP was on.  The top overseas pilots had the WGC to 
consider, and many could not attend for logistical reasons.  Their gliders were 
in containers, the pilots could not afford the extra time.  We had several 
apologies from overseas pilots for these reasons, and also from two of the 
Australian WGC team who could not get the necessary time from work.  I was 
expecting m

Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Richard Frawley]

its not just OzFlarm. I have seen just about every manufacturer product across 
my repair desk on the last 2 years. 

I would not have expected as many failures of older units either, but they are 
failing and reducing in performance. This is why we invested in expensive RF 
test equipment to measure Tx and Rx performance and characteristics so we can 
be sure.

From the visual state of units, it looks like top of deck mounted units are 
failing more that under deck, with the small sample size I could be wrong, but 
it gets very hot on the deck. i have had units back where the plastic case has 
melted!



> On 22 Feb 2017, at 8:12 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
> 
> What is wrong with AusFlarm?
> 
> It is all solid stae electronics.  Why are they all failing?  10 year life 
> span is pathetic.
> 
> I am not planning to reinvest intil a better alternative comes along.  I have 
> a Flarm., That is all.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Justin Couch  wrote:
>> With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing up daisies, and more likely 
>> to follow soon, it's time for us to get some new ones. We fly at Camden, so 
>> lots and lots of random air traffic about - some IFR, lots of RAAUS types 
>> etc. Thus, PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a reasonable thing for us 
>> to contemplate.  What's the general thoughts on where that is going and 
>> adoption rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded their mandatory requirements 
>> for it, and something happened here in Oz around it too, but my google-fu is 
>> weak.
>> 
>> If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the 
>> adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/justincouch/
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>> ---
>> "Look through the lens, and the light breaks down into many lights.
>>  Turn it or move it, and a new set of arrangements appears... is it
>>  a single light or many lights, lights that one must know how to
>>  distinguish, recognise and appreciate? Is it one light with many
>>  frames or one frame for many lights?"  -Subcomandante Marcos
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Peter Champness]

What is wrong with AusFlarm?

It is all solid stae electronics.  Why are they all failing?  10 year life
span is pathetic.

I am not planning to reinvest intil a better alternative comes along.  I
have a Flarm., That is all.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Justin Couch  wrote:

> With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing up daisies, and more
> likely to follow soon, it's time for us to get some new ones. We fly at
> Camden, so lots and lots of random air traffic about - some IFR, lots of
> RAAUS types etc. Thus, PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a reasonable
> thing for us to contemplate.  What's the general thoughts on where that is
> going and adoption rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded their mandatory
> requirements for it, and something happened here in Oz around it too, but
> my google-fu is weak.
>
> If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the
> adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.
>
> --
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> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/justincouch/
> G+   WetMorgoth
> ---
> "Look through the lens, and the light breaks down into many lights.
>  Turn it or move it, and a new set of arrangements appears... is it
>  a single light or many lights, lights that one must know how to
>  distinguish, recognise and appreciate? Is it one light with many
>  frames or one frame for many lights?"  -Subcomandante Marcos
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Re: [Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Richard Frawley]

what i can say having used a Powerflarm for 3+ years, is that ADSB range is up 
to 100klm. 

Several times out west, it let me see regional traffic on descent. i was never 
in danger but nice to be alerted to a 300kph+ missile.

Will we see it in light IFR or VFR GA in Oz and if so when, anyone got an 
update on that, my knowledge is 14 months old.



> On 22 Feb 2017, at 7:32 PM, Justin Couch  wrote:
> 
> With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing up daisies, and more likely 
> to follow soon, it's time for us to get some new ones. We fly at Camden, so 
> lots and lots of random air traffic about - some IFR, lots of RAAUS types 
> etc. Thus, PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a reasonable thing for us 
> to contemplate.  What's the general thoughts on where that is going and 
> adoption rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded their mandatory requirements 
> for it, and something happened here in Oz around it too, but my google-fu is 
> weak.
> 
> If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the 
> adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.
> 
> -- 
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> ---
> "Look through the lens, and the light breaks down into many lights.
> Turn it or move it, and a new set of arrangements appears... is it
> a single light or many lights, lights that one must know how to
> distinguish, recognise and appreciate? Is it one light with many
> frames or one frame for many lights?"  -Subcomandante Marcos
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[Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

[Justin Couch]

With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing up daisies, and more 
likely to follow soon, it's time for us to get some new ones. We fly at 
Camden, so lots and lots of random air traffic about - some IFR, lots of 
RAAUS types etc. Thus, PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a 
reasonable thing for us to contemplate.  What's the general thoughts on 
where that is going and adoption rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded 
their mandatory requirements for it, and something happened here in Oz 
around it too, but my google-fu is weak.


If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the 
adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.


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