Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
Yeah Number 4. “Make the enemy live up to its own 
book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter 
gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill 
them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.


Alinsky's Rules for radicals.

Mike



At 01:39 PM 3/28/2017, you wrote:

I completely understand this.

But his advice to hold CASA’s feet to the fire 
about adherence to their own principles remains a good one.


  - mark

On Mar 28, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Mike Borgelt 
<mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
wrote:


Jonathan Aleck is the problem at CASA, not any 
kind of solution. Has been for a long time. His 
nickname is "the witchdoctor". Skidmore managed 
to tell a porkie at a Senate hearing into the 
Jabiru engine debacle. I wonder why? Left soon after



Mike

At 01:04 PM 3/28/2017, you wrote:
I had a 1:1 meeting with Jonathan Aleck this 
morning, on the subject of their newly touted 
“Regulatory Philosophy.”


Aleck wrote the policy document, and says he’s quite proud of it:
https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/standard-page/our-regulatory-philosophy 



(the meeting arose because I challenged 
CASA’s stakeholder engagement people 
about how item 8, “Just culture,” 
applied to CASA’s actions in relation to 
Fadlalla and Civil Aviation Safety Authority 
[2015] AATA 331 (15 May 2015), in which a two 
judge Administrative Appeals Tribunal 
systematically eviscerated CASA for 
enforcement overreach, bad-faith heavy 
handedness, and outright fabricating 
allegations against a student pilot in an 
attempt to get his license cancelled after a 
mistake in his flight planning caused him to 
arrive at Jandakot 3 minutes after last light. 
If you have an hour to spare, have a read of 
the 107 paragraph decision, and marvel at how 
a judge can so comprehensively dismantle an 
out of control regulator: 
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2015/331.html 
)


Aleck's intention is that for each action CASA 
takes, whether it’s enforcement, 
regulatory drafting, or policymaking, the 
person within CASA who is implementing the 
action should be able to explain how it is 
consistent with the ten points laid out in the 
statement on their website. His staff are 
running internal training across the country for CASA employees.


His expectation is that where that can’t 
or doesn’t happen, people like us will — and should — demand better.


I don’t think it’s possible to 
defend the AVMed status quo against those ten 
principles. Specifically, class 2 medicals for 
private pilots offend items 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 
and 9; and since the UK and US liberalized 
their private medicals, there’s probably 
an argument to be had about item 4 too.


Have at it. Two days left.

  - mark

On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Mike Borgelt 
< 
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:


Excellent. So send in your comments to CASA 
and also print out and send by snail mail to the Minister.


Make a pile of paper on his mail room desk. More impressive than emails.

Here are his contact details: 
http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/contact.aspx


Mike




At 11:02 AM 3/28/2017, you wrote:

I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.

I too recently did my Class 2 medical.

I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC 
requirements restrict to single engine ops, 
less than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 
10,000’ AMSL. He agrees that 
there is there is no science behind this.


At least in the US the proposed Class 
2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, Night.


I know that many DAMEs also want change.

Regards

Michael



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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mark Newton 
I completely understand this.

But his advice to hold CASA’s feet to the fire about adherence to their own 
principles remains a good one.

  - mark

On Mar 28, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Mike Borgelt  
wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Aleck is the problem at CASA, not any kind of solution. Has been for 
> a long time. His nickname is "the witchdoctor". Skidmore managed to tell a 
> porkie at a Senate hearing into the Jabiru engine debacle. I wonder why? Left 
> soon after
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> At 01:04 PM 3/28/2017, you wrote:
>> I had a 1:1 meeting with Jonathan Aleck this morning, on the subject of 
>> their newly touted “Regulatory Philosophy.”
>> 
>> Aleck wrote the policy document, and says he’s quite proud of it:
>> https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/standard-page/our-regulatory-philosophy 
>>  
>> 
>> (the meeting arose because I challenged CASA’s stakeholder engagement 
>> people about how item 8, “Just culture,” applied to CASA’s actions in 
>> relation to Fadlalla and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2015] AATA 331 (15 
>> May 2015), in which a two judge Administrative Appeals Tribunal 
>> systematically eviscerated CASA for enforcement overreach, bad-faith heavy 
>> handedness, and outright fabricating allegations against a student pilot in 
>> an attempt to get his license cancelled after a mistake in his flight 
>> planning caused him to arrive at Jandakot 3 minutes after last light. If you 
>> have an hour to spare, have a read of the 107 paragraph decision, and marvel 
>> at how a judge can so comprehensively dismantle an out of control regulator: 
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2015/331.html 
>>  
>> )
>> 
>> Aleck's intention is that for each action CASA takes, whether it’s 
>> enforcement, regulatory drafting, or policymaking, the person within CASA 
>> who is implementing the action should be able to explain how it is 
>> consistent with the ten points laid out in the statement on their website. 
>> His staff are running internal training across the country for CASA 
>> employees. 
>> 
>> His expectation is that where that can’t or doesn’t happen, people like 
>> us will — and should — demand better. 
>> 
>> I don’t think it’s possible to defend the AVMed status quo against those 
>> ten principles. Specifically, class 2 medicals for private pilots offend 
>> items 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9; and since the UK and US liberalized their 
>> private medicals, there’s probably an argument to be had about item 4 too.
>> 
>> Have at it. Two days left.
>> 
>>   - mark
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Mike Borgelt < 
>>> mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excellent. So send in your comments to CASA and also print out and send by 
>>> snail mail to the Minister.
>>> 
>>> Make a pile of paper on his mail room desk. More impressive than emails.
>>> 
>>> Here are his contact details: 
>>> http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/contact.aspx 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:02 AM 3/28/2017, you wrote:
 I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.
 
 I too recently did my Class 2 medical.
 
 I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC requirements restrict to single 
 engine ops, less than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 10,000’ 
 AMSL. He agrees that there is there is no science behind this.
 
 At least in the US the proposed Class 2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, 
 Night.
 
 I know that many DAMEs also want change.
 
 Regards
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
Jonathan Aleck is the problem at CASA, not any 
kind of solution. Has been for a long time. His 
nickname is "the witchdoctor". Skidmore managed 
to tell a porkie at a Senate hearing into the 
Jabiru engine debacle. I wonder why? Left soon after



Mike

At 01:04 PM 3/28/2017, you wrote:
I had a 1:1 meeting with Jonathan Aleck this 
morning, on the subject of their newly touted “Regulatory Philosophy.”


Aleck wrote the policy document, and says he’s quite proud of it:
https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/standard-page/our-regulatory-philosophy

(the meeting arose because I challenged CASA’s 
stakeholder engagement people about how item 8, 
“Just culture,” applied to CASA’s actions 
in relation to Fadlalla and Civil Aviation 
Safety Authority [2015] AATA 331 (15 May 2015), 
in which a two judge Administrative Appeals 
Tribunal systematically eviscerated CASA for 
enforcement overreach, bad-faith heavy 
handedness, and outright fabricating allegations 
against a student pilot in an attempt to get his 
license cancelled after a mistake in his flight 
planning caused him to arrive at Jandakot 3 
minutes after last light. If you have an hour to 
spare, have a read of the 107 paragraph 
decision, and marvel at how a judge can so 
comprehensively dismantle an out of control 
regulator: 
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2015/331.html 
)


Aleck's intention is that for each action CASA 
takes, whether it’s enforcement, regulatory 
drafting, or policymaking, the person within 
CASA who is implementing the action should be 
able to explain how it is consistent with the 
ten points laid out in the statement on their 
website. His staff are running internal training 
across the country for CASA employees.


His expectation is that where that can’t or 
doesn’t happen, people like us will — and should — demand better.


I don’t think it’s possible to defend the 
AVMed status quo against those ten principles. 
Specifically, class 2 medicals for private 
pilots offend items 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9; and 
since the UK and US liberalized their private 
medicals, there’s probably an argument to be had about item 4 too.


Have at it. Two days left.

  - mark

On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Mike Borgelt 
<mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
wrote:


Excellent. So send in your comments to CASA and 
also print out and send by snail mail to the Minister.


Make a pile of paper on his mail room desk. More impressive than emails.

Here are his contact details: 
http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/contact.aspx


Mike




At 11:02 AM 3/28/2017, you wrote:

I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.

I too recently did my Class 2 medical.

I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC 
requirements restrict to single engine ops, 
less than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 
10,000’ AMSL. He agrees that there is there is no science behind this.


At least in the US the proposed Class 
2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, Night.


I know that many DAMEs also want change.

Regards

Michael



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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mark Newton 
I had a 1:1 meeting with Jonathan Aleck this morning, on the subject of their 
newly touted “Regulatory Philosophy.”

Aleck wrote the policy document, and says he’s quite proud of it:
https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/standard-page/our-regulatory-philosophy 


(the meeting arose because I challenged CASA’s stakeholder engagement people 
about how item 8, “Just culture,” applied to CASA’s actions in relation to 
Fadlalla and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2015] AATA 331 (15 May 2015), in 
which a two judge Administrative Appeals Tribunal systematically eviscerated 
CASA for enforcement overreach, bad-faith heavy handedness, and outright 
fabricating allegations against a student pilot in an attempt to get his 
license cancelled after a mistake in his flight planning caused him to arrive 
at Jandakot 3 minutes after last light. If you have an hour to spare, have a 
read of the 107 paragraph decision, and marvel at how a judge can so 
comprehensively dismantle an out of control regulator: 
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2015/331.html 
 )

Aleck's intention is that for each action CASA takes, whether it’s enforcement, 
regulatory drafting, or policymaking, the person within CASA who is 
implementing the action should be able to explain how it is consistent with the 
ten points laid out in the statement on their website. His staff are running 
internal training across the country for CASA employees. 

His expectation is that where that can’t or doesn’t happen, people like us will 
— and should — demand better. 

I don’t think it’s possible to defend the AVMed status quo against those ten 
principles. Specifically, class 2 medicals for private pilots offend items 2, 
3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9; and since the UK and US liberalized their private 
medicals, there’s probably an argument to be had about item 4 too.

Have at it. Two days left.

  - mark

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Mike Borgelt  
> wrote:
> 
> Excellent. So send in your comments to CASA and also print out and send by 
> snail mail to the Minister.
> 
> Make a pile of paper on his mail room desk. More impressive than emails.
> 
> Here are his contact details: 
> http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/contact.aspx 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:02 AM 3/28/2017, you wrote:
>> I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.
>> 
>> I too recently did my Class 2 medical.
>> 
>> I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC requirements restrict to single 
>> engine ops, less than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 10,000’ AMSL. He 
>> agrees that there is there is no science behind this.
>> 
>> At least in the US the proposed Class 2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, Night.
>> 
>> I know that many DAMEs also want change.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
Excellent. So send in your comments to CASA and 
also print out and send by snail mail to the Minister.


Make a pile of paper on his mail room desk. More impressive than emails.

Here are his contact details: 
http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/contact.aspx


Mike




At 11:02 AM 3/28/2017, you wrote:

I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.

I too recently did my Class 2 medical.

I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC 
requirements restrict to single engine ops, less 
than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 
10,000’ AMSL. He agrees that there is there is no science behind this.


At least in the US the proposed Class 2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, Night.

I know that many DAMEs also want change.

Regards

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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Jo Pocklington 
Regarding the RAMPC restriction on carrying passengers, which states:  "An 
eligible person holding an RAMPC must not operate an aircraft with more than 1 
passenger on board, and that 1 passenger (if carried) must be a qualifying 
passenger. This is a defined term meaning a passenger who, before boarding an 
aircraft has been told by the eligible person that he or she holds a current 
(RAMPC) that is of a lower medical standard than a class 1 or class 2 medical 
certificate normally required which imposes conditions, all of which are and 
will be complied with for the flight."

 

This is nonsense.  RAMPC pilots are totally lacking known medical issues. The 
CASA assumption is that because a GP - and not a CASA appointed AvMed doctor 
sitting in Canberra, who has not examined the pilot - signs off the 
certificate, then it must be lacking in some sort of rigour, or medical 
authenticity.

 

Given the medical standard requested by CASA/AvMed, the RAMPC is not of a lower 
medical standard than a Class 2 and should have no additional operational 
restrictions over a CASA Class 2 Medical Certificate - regards Jo

 

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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

 

I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.

I too recently did my Class 2 medical.

I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC requirements restrict to single engine 
ops, less than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 10,000’ AMSL. He agrees that 
there is there is no science behind this.

At least in the US the proposed Class 2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, Night.

I know that many DAMEs also want change.

Regards

Michael

 

 

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Texler, Michael 
I support the AOPA proposal and the US treatment of Class 2 medicals.

I too recently did my Class 2 medical.

I discussed with the DAME how the RAMPC requirements restrict to single engine 
ops, less than 1,500kg, only 1 pax, and ops below 10,000’ AMSL. He agrees that 
there is there is no science behind this.

At least in the US the proposed Class 2  allows multi engine ops, IFR, Night.

I know that many DAMEs also want change.

Regards

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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
The wind direction at Hamilton island just 
changed by 180 degrees to WNW/NW . This would 
mean it is the other side of the eye. Unless the met tower just got taken out.


Mike


At 10:25 AM 3/28/2017, you wrote:

It looks like the ICON model on Ventusky is the 
most accurate for position. Hamilton Is. had a 
gust to 125Kts a short time ago. Was pretty close to the eye wall at the time.


https://www.mpimet.mpg.de/en/science/models/icon/

Graham

On 27/03/2017 8:44 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:

Mike,
All good logical  theoretical stuff. Perhaps 
funding is an impediment to doing what you 
suggest re data collection?  I seem to recall 
seeing some rather gripping video on this – Maybe from NCAR?


However, would it be true to say, that all the 
models are accurate enough to predict that the 
people who live on the Queensland coast in the 
Mackay/Townsville belt are in “for a bit of a blow”?


In the real world, the actuality is that these 
people are preparing for a major disaster! 
Lives will probably be lost, and there will be 
major property loss for sure, regardless of the 
exact track of the epicentre, or the eventual 
“category” that is assigned to “Cyclone Debbie” – currently Cat 4.


Who on this forum, remembers Cyclone Yasi, from 
2011?   Just 6 years ago. If you choose to 
live in the tropics, you might give some 
thought to the cyclone risk, that you will 
encounter, possibly sooner, rather than later. Risk vs. reward.


Gary

From: Aus-soaring 
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On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 9:51 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

Yes, it is clearly a Tropical Cyclone but only 
12 hours or so before landfall the 3 models are 
still not saying the same things and the 
maximum wind speeds for tomorrow morning before 
landfall are showing only 100km/hour or so.


Could intensify. What is the Sea Surface 
Temperature under the predicted track? A first 
world country would be flying  aircraft over 
the cyclone at high altitude and putting 
dropsonde's into it regular time and distance 
intervals. or use a HALE (High Altitude Long 
Endurance) drone to do  it. Put a small GPS 
chip in each sonde and report the speeds and 
altitudes and locations  as it parachutes into 
the ocean. Then we'd have actual DATA. The 
weather above a cyclone at high altitude is 
benign. It is actually a high pressure area
up near the tropopause. Look at the high 
altitude cirrus blow off on the satellite 
pictures, the circulation is anticlockwise in 
the Southern Hemisphere. Right now do the movie 
on the BoM site of the hi res  satellite 
images. You'll see the low clouds circulating 
clockwise and the high clouds going anticlockwise.


I used to do this stuff for a living.

Mike




 At 07:35 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Mike,
sitting in the disaster coord centre. have a 
look at the mackay radar. Classic high 
intensity cyclone with the hole in the middle.


Peter Heath


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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models
Ooh look, the models are converging less than 
15 hours before 10am tomorrow! Real measured 
updates to re-initialise obviously work.
Note however the difference between the models 
on maximum windspeed and extent of high wind 
area. It will be interesting to see the further 
convergence after more observational input updates.

Mike





At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:
Those who have a touching faith in weather 
models might like to look at 
www.ventusky.com and 
check where the cyclone will be at 10am 
tomorrow and what the wind speeds will be around it.

The redo with the other 2 models.
Mike






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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread Graham Watts 
It looks like the ICON model on Ventusky is the most accurate for position. 
Hamilton Is. had a gust to 125Kts a short time ago. Was pretty close to the eye 
wall at the time.


https://www.mpimet.mpg.de/en/science/models/icon/

Graham


On 27/03/2017 8:44 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:


Mike,

All good logical  theoretical stuff. Perhaps funding is an impediment to doing 
what you suggest re data collection?  I seem to recall seeing some rather 
gripping video on this – Maybe from NCAR?


However, would it be true to say, that all the models are accurate enough to 
predict that the people who live on the Queensland coast in the 
Mackay/Townsville belt are in “for a bit of a blow”?


In the real world, the actuality is that these people are preparing for a 
*_major disaster!_* Lives will probably be lost, and there will be major 
property loss for sure, regardless of the exact track of the epicentre, or the 
eventual “category” that is assigned to “Cyclone Debbie” – currently Cat 4.


Who on this forum, remembers Cyclone Yasi, from 2011?   Just 6 years ago. 
If you choose to live in the tropics, you might give some thought to the 
cyclone risk, that you _will_ encounter, possibly sooner, rather than later. 
Risk vs. reward.


Gary

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Of *Mike Borgelt

*Sent:* Monday, 27 March 2017 9:51 PM
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

Yes, it is clearly a Tropical Cyclone but only 12 hours or so before landfall 
the 3 models are still not saying the same things and the maximum wind speeds 
for tomorrow morning before landfall are showing only 100km/hour or so.


Could intensify. What is the Sea Surface Temperature under the predicted 
track? A first world country would be flying aircraft over the cyclone at high 
altitude and putting dropsonde's into it regular time and distance intervals. 
or use a HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) drone to do  it. Put a small GPS 
chip in each sonde and report the speeds and altitudes and locations  as it 
parachutes into the ocean. Then we'd have actual DATA. The weather above a 
cyclone at high altitude is benign. It is actually a high pressure area
up near the tropopause. Look at the high altitude cirrus blow off on the 
satellite pictures, the circulation is anticlockwise in the Southern 
Hemisphere. Right now do the movie on the BoM site of the hi res  satellite 
images. You'll see the low clouds circulating clockwise and the high clouds 
going anticlockwise.


I used to do this stuff for a living.

Mike




 At 07:35 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Mike,
sitting in the disaster coord centre. have a look at the mackay radar. Classic 
high intensity cyclone with the hole in the middle.


Peter Heath


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To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
>


Sent: Monday, 27 Mar, 2017 At 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

Ooh look, the models are converging less than 15 hours before 10am tomorrow! 
Real measured updates to re-initialise obviously work.


Note however the difference between the models on maximum windspeed and extent 
of high wind area. It will be interesting to see the further convergence after 
more observational input updates.


Mike





At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Those who have a touching faith in weather models might like to look at 
www.ventusky.com  and check where the cyclone will 
be at 10am tomorrow and what the wind speeds will be around it.


The redo with the other 2 models.

Mike






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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 

Gary,

I'm not worried about the cyclone as such. When 
it comes to cyclones I like to follow Robert 
Heinlein's advice on defence against nuclear 
weapons "don't be there when it goes off". Looks 
like Hamilton Island and Airlie Beach will be 
about where Debbie crosses the coast. We were 
there in August 2011 and took a bus trip around 
town and on to Proserpine and back. As there 
weren't many passengers we got the driver to give 
us a commentary. Yazi had been through some 
months before and you could see some of the 
damage to vegetation. Apparently the cyclone 
knocked down some trees that were blocking 
people's views, just a coincidence of course.


What is interesting is that the 3 weather models 
which you can select on Ventusky (Windyty uses 
the same ones I think) show quite different 
results for the wind speeds and also at 7AM the 
positions and central pressures are different on the 3 models.
If you use these model predictions and they give 
3 different results you shouldn't be too surprised if some else then happens.



Mike


At 10:44 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0007_01D2A754.194DDB70"
Content-Language: en-au

Mike,
All good logical  theoretical stuff. Perhaps 
funding is an impediment to doing what you 
suggest re data collection?  I seem to recall 
seeing some rather gripping video on this – Maybe from NCAR?


However, would it be true to say, that all the 
models are accurate enough to predict that the 
people who live on the Queensland coast in the 
Mackay/Townsville belt are in “for a bit of a blow”?


In the real world, the actuality is that these 
people are preparing for a major disaster! Lives 
will probably be lost, and there will be major 
property loss for sure, regardless of the exact 
track of the epicentre, or the eventual 
“category” that is assigned to “Cyclone Debbie” – currently Cat 4.


Who on this forum, remembers Cyclone Yasi, from 
2011?   Just 6 years ago. If you choose to 
live in the tropics, you might give some thought 
to the cyclone risk, that you will encounter, 
possibly sooner, rather than later. Risk vs. reward.


Gary

From: Aus-soaring 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 9:51 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

Yes, it is clearly a Tropical Cyclone but only 
12 hours or so before landfall the 3 models are 
still not saying the same things and the maximum 
wind speeds for tomorrow morning before landfall 
are showing only 100km/hour or so.


Could intensify. What is the Sea Surface 
Temperature under the predicted track? A first 
world country would be flying  aircraft over the 
cyclone at high altitude and putting dropsonde's 
into it regular time and distance intervals. or 
use a HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) drone 
to do  it. Put a small GPS chip in each sonde 
and report the speeds and altitudes and 
locations  as it parachutes into the ocean. Then 
we'd have actual DATA. The weather above a 
cyclone at high altitude is benign. It is actually a high pressure area
up near the tropopause. Look at the high 
altitude cirrus blow off on the satellite 
pictures, the circulation is anticlockwise in 
the Southern Hemisphere. Right now do the movie 
on the BoM site of the hi res  satellite images. 
You'll see the low clouds circulating clockwise 
and the high clouds going anticlockwise.


I used to do this stuff for a living.

Mike




 At 07:35 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Mike,
sitting in the disaster coord centre. have a 
look at the mackay radar. Classic high intensity 
cyclone with the hole in the middle.


Peter Heath


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To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in 
Australia." 
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Sent: Monday, 27 Mar, 2017 At 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models
Ooh look, the models are converging less than 15 
hours before 10am tomorrow! Real measured 
updates to re-initialise obviously work.
Note however the difference between the models 
on maximum windspeed and extent of high wind 
area. It will be interesting to see the further 
convergence after more observational input updates.

Mike





At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:
Those who have a touching faith in weather 
models might like to look at 
www.ventusky.com and 
check where the cyclone will be at 10am tomorrow 
and what the wind speeds will be around it.

The redo with the other 2 models.
Mike






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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread Gary Stevenson 
Mike,

All good logical  theoretical stuff. Perhaps funding is an impediment to
doing what you suggest re data collection?  I seem to recall seeing some
rather gripping video on this - Maybe from NCAR?  

 

However, would it be true to say, that all the models are accurate enough to
predict that the people who live on the Queensland coast in the
Mackay/Townsville belt are in "for a bit of a blow"? 

 

In the real world, the actuality is that these people are preparing for a
major disaster! Lives will probably be lost, and there will be major
property loss for sure, regardless of the exact track of the epicentre, or
the eventual "category" that is assigned to "Cyclone Debbie" - currently Cat
4.

 

Who on this forum, remembers Cyclone Yasi, from 2011?   Just 6 years
ago. If you choose to live in the tropics, you might give some thought to
the cyclone risk, that you will encounter, possibly sooner, rather than
later. Risk vs. reward.

 

Gary

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 9:51 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

 

Yes, it is clearly a Tropical Cyclone but only 12 hours or so before
landfall the 3 models are still not saying the same things and the maximum
wind speeds for tomorrow morning before landfall are showing only 100km/hour
or so.

Could intensify. What is the Sea Surface Temperature under the predicted
track? A first world country would be flying  aircraft over the cyclone at
high altitude and putting dropsonde's into it regular time and distance
intervals. or use a HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) drone to do  it. Put
a small GPS chip in each sonde and report the speeds and altitudes and
locations  as it parachutes into the ocean. Then we'd have actual DATA. The
weather above a cyclone at high altitude is benign. It is actually a high
pressure area
up near the tropopause. Look at the high altitude cirrus blow off on the
satellite pictures, the circulation is anticlockwise in the Southern
Hemisphere. Right now do the movie on the BoM site of the hi res  satellite
images. You'll see the low clouds circulating clockwise and the high clouds
going anticlockwise.

I used to do this stuff for a living.

Mike




 At 07:35 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:



Mike, 
sitting in the disaster coord centre. have a look at the mackay radar.
Classic high intensity cyclone with the hole in the middle. 

Peter Heath  




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From: "Mike Borgelt" 

To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."


Sent: Monday, 27 Mar, 2017 At 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

Ooh look, the models are converging less than 15 hours before 10am tomorrow!
Real measured updates to re-initialise obviously work.

Note however the difference between the models on maximum windspeed and
extent of high wind area. It will be interesting to see the further
convergence after more observational input updates.

Mike







At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Those who have a touching faith in weather models might like to look at
www.ventusky.com   and check where the cyclone
will be at 10am tomorrow and what the wind speeds will be around it.

The redo with the other 2 models.

Mike








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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
Yes, it is clearly a Tropical Cyclone but only 12 hours or so before 
landfall the 3 models are still not saying the same things and the 
maximum wind speeds for tomorrow morning before landfall are showing 
only 100km/hour or so.


Could intensify. What is the Sea Surface Temperature under the 
predicted track? A first world country would be flying  aircraft over 
the cyclone at high altitude and putting dropsonde's into it regular 
time and distance intervals. or use a HALE (High Altitude Long 
Endurance) drone to do  it. Put a small GPS chip in each sonde and 
report the speeds and altitudes and locations  as it parachutes into 
the ocean. Then we'd have actual DATA. The weather above a cyclone at 
high altitude is benign. It is actually a high pressure area
up near the tropopause. Look at the high altitude cirrus blow off on 
the satellite pictures, the circulation is anticlockwise in the 
Southern Hemisphere. Right now do the movie on the BoM site of the hi 
res  satellite images. You'll see the low clouds circulating 
clockwise and the high clouds going anticlockwise.


I used to do this stuff for a living.

Mike




 At 07:35 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Mike,
sitting in the disaster coord centre. have a look at the mackay 
radar. Classic high intensity cyclone with the hole in the middle.


Peter Heath



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Sent: Monday, 27 Mar, 2017 At 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

Ooh look, the models are converging less than 15 hours before 10am 
tomorrow! Real measured updates to re-initialise obviously work.


Note however the difference between the models on maximum windspeed 
and extent of high wind area. It will be interesting to see the 
further convergence after more observational input updates.


Mike






At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:
Those who have a touching faith in weather models might like to look 
at www.ventusky.com and check where the 
cyclone will be at 10am tomorrow and what the wind speeds will be around it.

The redo with the other 2 models.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread opsworx opsworx 

Mike, 
sitting in the disaster coord centre. have a look at the mackay radar. 
Classic high intensity cyclone with the hole in the middle. 



Peter Heath  

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Sent: Monday, 27 Mar, 2017 At 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models
 Ooh look, the models are converging less than 15 hours before 10am 
tomorrow! Real measured updates to re-initialise obviously work.
 Note however the difference between the models on maximum windspeed 
and extent of high wind area. It will be interesting to see the further 
convergence after more observational input updates.

 Mike



 At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:
 Those who have a touching faith in weather models might like to look 
at www.ventusky.com   and check where the 
cyclone will be at 10am tomorrow and what the wind speeds will be around 
it.

 The redo with the other 2 models.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] weather models

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
Ooh look, the models are converging less than 15 hours before 10am 
tomorrow! Real measured updates to re-initialise obviously work.


Note however the difference between the models on maximum windspeed 
and extent of high wind area. It will be interesting to see the 
further convergence after more observational input updates.


Mike






At 03:03 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:
Those who have a touching faith in weather models might like to look 
at www.ventusky.com and check where the cyclone will be at 10am 
tomorrow and what the wind speeds will be around it.

The redo with the other 2 models.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Peter Champness 
ok

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Jo Pocklington 
wrote:

> You could simply say something like "*the AOPA proposal dated 23 August
> 2016 regarding Class 2 Medical reform is supported by me*" – regards Jo
>
>
>
> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Champness
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 March 2017 6:17 PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Is there a generic reply which I could copy?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Jo Pocklington 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike, deadline is Thursday 30 March.  SAAA & RA-Aus submissions are
> not yet available.  AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August 2016
> (attached), which many are supporting.
>
> GFA tug pilots could be affected.  Even though they can operate on an
> RAMPC, RAMPC requires fulfilling unconditional private driver licence
> requirements + a visit to a Doctor + filling in a medical history form +
> only being eligible in the absence of certain conditions - although these
> conditions do not preclude an unconditional driver's licence. There are 53+
> disqualifying conditions for an RAMPC including a cancer in the last 5
> years, angina, coronary bypass surgery, ECG changes, insulin treated
> diabetes, sleep apnoea...  RAMPC is therefore more restrictive than a Class
> 2 Medical, eg a healthy private pilot with a recent history of prostate
> cancer is ineligible to obtain a RAMPC, but that pilot is unlikely to have
> difficulty obtaining a Class 2 Medical Certificate.
>
> Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au and should include in the subject
> line:  'AvMed discussion paper' - regards Jo
>
>
>
> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Borgelt
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 March 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion paper
>
>
> OK how many have put in a submission to CASA Avmed re the current
> discussion paper? You have until 31st March.(the end of this week).
>
> If you don't, there is a possibility you will be required to have a RAMPC
> to fly gliders. You can go to recreationalflying.com to see the trouble
> that causes because if you can't get one for a number of relatively trivial
> reasons you will be up for a Class 2 medical with a DAME.
>
> If you don't put in a submission, preferably in strong support of the AOPA
> proposal which has been linked to here a while ago you get to lose all
> bitching rights and sympathy when CASA AvMed screws you over.
>
> Don't expect GFA to do anything sensible, do it yourself.
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 


Just so everyone knows, RAMPC is NOT a private car licence medical 
standard. It is a HEAVY VEHICLE licence medical standard with 
additional CASA bastardisations.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Something different

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 


From Avweb:


Positing that we need anti-drone instruments, the folks of the TU 
Delft Micro Air Vehicle Lab (MAVLab) will host the first ever 
anti-drone competition, DroneClash, before the end of the year. 
During this competition, participants use their own drones to take 
down as many other drones as possible. But... they also need to avoid 
a whole series of anti-drone interventions. A company operating out 
of a basement in Fort Collins, CO is making what may be some of the 
smallest FPV drones available. The Tiny Whoop quadcopters were 
born  of the mini-drone-racing trend. All this -- and MORE in today's 
episode of the AMA Drone Report!!!


That ought to put drone racing in the shade. Aerial combat with First 
Person View drones. Could have low powered lasers and when the 
opposing drone is hit its power is cut by the laser detector..




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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Borgelt 
Thanks Jo, so you all have less time. Get busy. I suggest you send a 
copy direct to the Minister, Darren Chester also. If nothing else 
just say you strongly support the AOPA proposal for PRIVATE pilots.


It is worse than just tug pilots as one of the CASA options is to 
extend the RAMPC to ALL sport and recreational aviators which I'm 
sure will include glider pilots.


This CASA discussion paper is a calculated insult to AOPA and 
Australia's private pilot population. The ONLY reason it is happening 
is because AOPA stirred the Minister and the discussion paper 
deliberately leaves out the option: Align the private pilot aviation 
medical standard with that which now prevails in the UK or USA  which 
is what AOPA wants. CASA is just miffed that they have to do 
something they don't want to do because the Minster told them to get onto it.


Mike





At 04:56 PM 3/27/2017, you wrote:

Hi Mike, deadline is Thursday 30 March.  SAAA & RA-Aus submissions 
are not yet available.  AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August 
2016 (attached), which many are supporting.


GFA tug pilots could be affected.  Even though they can operate on 
an RAMPC, RAMPC requires fulfilling unconditional private driver 
licence requirements + a visit to a Doctor + filling in a medical 
history form + only being eligible in the absence of certain 
conditions - although these conditions do not preclude an 
unconditional driver's licence. There are 53+ disqualifying 
conditions for an RAMPC including a cancer in the last 5 years, 
angina, coronary bypass surgery, ECG changes, insulin treated 
diabetes, sleep apnoea...  RAMPC is therefore more restrictive than 
a Class 2 Medical, eg a healthy private pilot with a recent history 
of prostate cancer is ineligible to obtain a RAMPC, but that pilot 
is unlikely to have difficulty obtaining a Class 2 Medical Certificate.


Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au and 
should include in the subject line:  'AvMed discussion paper' - regards Jo


From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] 
On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 3:00 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion paper

OK how many have put in a submission to CASA Avmed re the current 
discussion paper? You have until 31st March.(the end of this week).


If you don't, there is a possibility you will be required to have a 
RAMPC to fly gliders. You can go to recreationalflying.com to see 
the trouble that causes because if you can't get one for a number of 
relatively trivial reasons you will be up for a Class 2 medical with a DAME.


If you don't put in a submission, preferably in strong support of 
the AOPA proposal which has been linked to here a while ago you get 
to lose all bitching rights and sympathy when CASA AvMed screws you over.


Don't expect GFA to do anything sensible, do it yourself.

Mike
Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring 
instrumentation since 1978

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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Jo Pocklington 
You could simply say something like "the AOPA proposal dated 23 August 2016 
regarding Class 2 Medical reform is supported by me" – regards Jo

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of 
Peter Champness
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 6:17 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

 

Thanks,

 

Is there a generic reply which I could copy? 

 

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Jo Pocklington  
wrote:

Hi Mike, deadline is Thursday 30 March.  SAAA & RA-Aus submissions are not yet 
available.  AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August 2016 (attached), which 
many are supporting. 

GFA tug pilots could be affected.  Even though they can operate on an RAMPC, 
RAMPC requires fulfilling unconditional private driver licence requirements + a 
visit to a Doctor + filling in a medical history form + only being eligible in 
the absence of certain conditions - although these conditions do not preclude 
an unconditional driver's licence. There are 53+ disqualifying conditions for 
an RAMPC including a cancer in the last 5 years, angina, coronary bypass 
surgery, ECG changes, insulin treated diabetes, sleep apnoea...  RAMPC is 
therefore more restrictive than a Class 2 Medical, eg a healthy private pilot 
with a recent history of prostate cancer is ineligible to obtain a RAMPC, but 
that pilot is unlikely to have difficulty obtaining a Class 2 Medical 
Certificate. 

Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au and should include in the subject line:  
'AvMed discussion paper' - regards Jo

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of 
Mike Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 3:00 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion paper


OK how many have put in a submission to CASA Avmed re the current discussion 
paper? You have until 31st March.(the end of this week).

If you don't, there is a possibility you will be required to have a RAMPC to 
fly gliders. You can go to recreationalflying.com to see the trouble that 
causes because if you can't get one for a number of relatively trivial reasons 
you will be up for a Class 2 medical with a DAME.

If you don't put in a submission, preferably in strong support of the AOPA 
proposal which has been linked to here a while ago you get to lose all bitching 
rights and sympathy when CASA AvMed screws you over.

Don't expect GFA to do anything sensible, do it yourself.

Mike
Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation 
since 1978
www.borgeltinstruments.com  
tel:   07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 
 
mob: 042835 5784 :  int+61-42835 5784
P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia 


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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Peter Champness 
Thanks,

Is there a generic reply which I could copy?

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Jo Pocklington 
wrote:

> Hi Mike, deadline is Thursday 30 March.  SAAA & RA-Aus submissions are
> not yet available.  AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August 2016
> (attached), which many are supporting.
>
> GFA tug pilots could be affected.  Even though they can operate on an
> RAMPC, RAMPC requires fulfilling unconditional private driver licence
> requirements + a visit to a Doctor + filling in a medical history form +
> only being eligible in the absence of certain conditions - although these
> conditions do not preclude an unconditional driver's licence. There are 53+
> disqualifying conditions for an RAMPC including a cancer in the last 5
> years, angina, coronary bypass surgery, ECG changes, insulin treated
> diabetes, sleep apnoea...  RAMPC is therefore more restrictive than a Class
> 2 Medical, eg a healthy private pilot with a recent history of prostate
> cancer is ineligible to obtain a RAMPC, but that pilot is unlikely to have
> difficulty obtaining a Class 2 Medical Certificate.
>
> Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au and should include in the subject
> line:  'AvMed discussion paper' - regards Jo
>
>
>
> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Borgelt
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 March 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion paper
>
>
> OK how many have put in a submission to CASA Avmed re the current
> discussion paper? You have until 31st March.(the end of this week).
>
> If you don't, there is a possibility you will be required to have a RAMPC
> to fly gliders. You can go to recreationalflying.com to see the trouble
> that causes because if you can't get one for a number of relatively trivial
> reasons you will be up for a Class 2 medical with a DAME.
>
> If you don't put in a submission, preferably in strong support of the AOPA
> proposal which has been linked to here a while ago you get to lose all
> bitching rights and sympathy when CASA AvMed screws you over.
>
> Don't expect GFA to do anything sensible, do it yourself.
>
> Mike
> *Borgelt Instruments *-
> *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978*
> www.borgeltinstruments.com
> tel:   07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784
> <+61%207%204635%205784>
> mob: 042835 5784 :  int+61-42835 5784
> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion - due Thursday 30 March

2017-03-27 Thread Mark Newton 
I submitted mine last week. Spiced and seasoned by a Class 2 medical 
examination the week before, accompanied by a small collection of avmed 
screwups which they still, 2 weeks after the exam, don’t appear to have 
rectified.

  - mark


> On Mar 27, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Jo Pocklington  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike, deadline is Thursday 30 March.  SAAA & RA-Aus submissions are not 
> yet available.  AOPA put forward a proposal on 23 August 2016 (attached), 
> which many are supporting. 
> 
> GFA tug pilots could be affected.  Even though they can operate on an RAMPC, 
> RAMPC requires fulfilling unconditional private driver licence requirements + 
> a visit to a Doctor + filling in a medical history form + only being eligible 
> in the absence of certain conditions - although these conditions do not 
> preclude an unconditional driver's licence. There are 53+ disqualifying 
> conditions for an RAMPC including a cancer in the last 5 years, angina, 
> coronary bypass surgery, ECG changes, insulin treated diabetes, sleep 
> apnoea...  RAMPC is therefore more restrictive than a Class 2 Medical, eg a 
> healthy private pilot with a recent history of prostate cancer is ineligible 
> to obtain a RAMPC, but that pilot is unlikely to have difficulty obtaining a 
> Class 2 Medical Certificate. 
> 
> Submissions to avmed...@casa.gov.au  and should 
> include in the subject line:  'AvMed discussion paper' - regards Jo
> 
>  <> 
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
> ] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
> Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017 3:00 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA Avmed discussion paper
> 
> OK how many have put in a submission to CASA Avmed re the current discussion 
> paper? You have until 31st March.(the end of this week).
> 
> If you don't, there is a possibility you will be required to have a RAMPC to 
> fly gliders. You can go to recreationalflying.com 
>  to see the trouble that causes because if 
> you can't get one for a number of relatively trivial reasons you will be up 
> for a Class 2 medical with a DAME.
> 
> If you don't put in a submission, preferably in strong support of the AOPA 
> proposal which has been linked to here a while ago you get to lose all 
> bitching rights and sympathy when CASA AvMed screws you over.
> 
> Don't expect GFA to do anything sensible, do it yourself.
> 
> Mike
> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation 
> since 1978
> www.borgeltinstruments.com
>  tel:   07 4635 5784 overseas: 
> int+61-7-4635 5784
> mob: 042835 5784 :  int+61-42835 5784
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