Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Hi all Tim is correct about the turnpoint and airspace files, they were selected and implemented by the Competition CD and he is the only one who can change them at this point. Comments need to be directed to Chris Stephens for any concerns that you may have in regards to these issues. If anyone needs contact details for Chris please contact me off forum and I will be happy to provide them. I do agree that the airspace file is quite large and I genuinely appreciate everyone’s comments of the impact of the file size. I was previously unaware of that impact and having now run some further tests on my iPAQ running WinPilot I agree that there is a notable performance degradation compared to other airspace files that I had used previously. It needs to be addressed and I have advised the CD of my opinion on that matter. Re the turnpoint file, yes it is one that has been used for several years but that doesn’t mean it is not a suitable set of turnpoints. I had discussed this with the CD and his reasoning is that he wants to retain the maximum flexibility for task setting. Other issues surrounding the number of turnpoints in this file have been brought to his attention by myself and several others. Whilst I am happy to continue the discussion on this with anyone, if you want them changed then I suggest that it would be appropriate to direct any further comment or concern on these issues to the Competition Director. Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 10:09 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Tim, My reply re points was a direct reply to Ross who is NCC chair, an organizer of the Nationals and had just posted here! Tom _ From: Tim Shirley To: tom claffey ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 26/01/2012 11:28, tom claffey wrote: There is no airspace of concern in the task area? Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones. Tom _ From: Ross McLean <mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Hi Chris The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues tasking out of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have found no problem with it at all. I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chr
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Tim, My reply re points was a direct reply to Ross who is NCC chair, an organizer of the Nationals and had just posted here! Tom From: Tim Shirley To: tom claffey ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Untitled Document Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 26/01/2012 11:28, tom claffey wrote: There is no airspace of concern in the task area? > > >Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones. > > >Tom > > > > > From: Ross McLean >To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > >Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM >Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine > > > >Hi Chris >The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced >competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles >Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set >tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues >tasking out of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing >field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that >identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are >present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no >Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have >personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have >found no problem with it at all. >I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. >Regards, ROSS > >From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley >Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM >To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine > >Narromine Nationals Competitors, > >The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files >(see below) which from my point of view have issues > * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace > file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. > * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for > record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is > not suitable in its current form. > >The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. >http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine > >Regards >Chris > > > > >From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean >Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM >To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine > >50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: > >We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. >All sections of the website >www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully >functional. >The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are >available for download. >The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer >from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. >The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each >day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own >forecasting well ahead of time. >If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you >will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. > >If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few places >available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the >entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. > >It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. > >ROSS &g
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Tim, No files are "fixed in the rules" - the comp has not even started yet! There are a number of issues which I am sure will be discussed this weekend at Narromine. Tom From: Tim Shirley To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Hi Mike, Your generic points about file editing are perfectly correct, and there's certainly nothing wrong with a general discussion about how to make an airspace file or files that everyone can live with. I make similar files quite regularly and I am in agreement that the smaller the file, the better. However, the existing files are fixed in the rules for Narromine. Since the scorer can only use the files specified in the rules, the danger for anyone using a different and unofficial file in their PDA will be the possibility of getting penalties due to something important accidentally disappearing in the editing. The problem with this forum is that while many of the Narromine entrants and organisers will be reading this, there will also be many who are not, and no one knows which ones. So it is not quite correct to say that "everyone" knows about this concern now. This is why I suggest going direct to the organisers. Anyone can edit the files, but only the the organisers can change them on an official basis and make sure every entrant (and the scorer) gets an identical copy. That remains my recommendation. Untitled Document Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 26/01/2012 13:56, MIKE BORGELT wrote: At 11:59 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote: > >It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to >one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should >anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of >the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are >referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by >officials. It isn't a democracy. >> >>Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? >> >>Cheers >> >> >>Tim >Why? This could arise at any contest and now everyone is aware of it. We could have one person edit the databases for the contest or every single pilot gets to do it. >Try to think before hitting send. I know it hurts but try to make the effort. > >Mike > > >___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Hi Mike, Your generic points about file editing are perfectly correct, and there's certainly nothing wrong with a general discussion about how to make an airspace file or files that everyone can live with. I make similar files quite regularly and I am in agreement that the smaller the file, the better. However, the existing files are fixed in the rules for Narromine. Since the scorer can only use the files specified in the rules, the danger for anyone using a different and unofficial file in their PDA will be the possibility of getting penalties due to something important accidentally disappearing in the editing. The problem with this forum is that while many of the Narromine entrants and organisers will be reading this, there will also be many who are not, and no one knows which ones. So it is not quite correct to say that "everyone" knows about this concern now. This is why I suggest going direct to the organisers. Anyone can edit the files, but only the the organisers can change them on an official basis and make sure every entrant (and the scorer) gets an identical copy. That remains my recommendation. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 26/01/2012 13:56, MIKE BORGELT wrote: At 11:59 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote: It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Cheers *Tim* Why? This could arise at any contest and now everyone is aware of it. We could have one person edit the databases for the contest or every single pilot gets to do it. Try to think before hitting send. I know it hurts but try to make the effort. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
At 11:59 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote: It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Cheers Tim Why? This could arise at any contest and now everyone is aware of it. We could have one person edit the databases for the contest or every single pilot gets to do it. Try to think before hitting send. I know it hurts but try to make the effort. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
At 08:28 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote: Ross, WinPilot on older iPaqs has serious issues with large databases of any kind. It seems to be constantly checking final glide to any marks landable point in either the TP file or the Airfield file (which contains every official airfield in asia and australia) - it can't do this in the refresh time, so crashes WinPilot - deleting the Airfield file helps. I suspect that it is also constantly checking the distance to any airspace boundary, but the calculation used is unable to ignore unrealistic points in the file. This means a huge file causes the same problems as above. In real terms (as you ask), WinPilot crashes if I try to use the airspace file on either of the iPaqs I have owned. Newer iPaqs with much faster processors, and processors better designed for calculations will work, but may be close to the limit ! I have previously taken this huge airspace file and spent several hours deleting any airspace that I wasn't likely to encounter from it, but this file is out of date (even if I can find it again). Matt There are several issues here. There are basically 3 ways you can set up a moving map: Track up Desired Track up North up Gliders change track all the time. Each time you do if you have the first selection the whole moving map gets redrawn. This is computationally intensive as the WHOLE map gets redrawn not just the bit you see on screen. Checking airfields and airspace boundaries isn' t so bad. Use Desired track up or North up to reduce the computation load. You should take the huge airspace file and edit it to several files relevant to the particular sites. Delete any detail that isn't relevant like the inner Brisbane airspace boundaries and you should also personally check any critical boundaries against the latest version of the Designated Airspace Handbook. Avoid those embarrassing points penalties due "airspace violation". For airspace relevant to gliding the airspace database can be quite small at most sites. OpenAir is a simple airspace description language easily human readable on any text editor like Notepad. Likewise any airfield or turnpoint databases should be edited down to only those in the contest task area. It is bad that the program crashes instead of gracefully degrading. If you do what I say above you shouldn't crash any kind of PDA/PNA Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 26/01/2012 11:28, tom claffey wrote: There is no airspace of concern in the task area? Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones. Tom *From:* Ross McLean *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Sent:* Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Hi Chris The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues tasking out of Narromine so it wasn't felt necessary to assign a "playing field" as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have found no problem with it at all. I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. Regards, ROSS *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Chris Woolley *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chris *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ross McLean *Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine *50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: * ** *We're All Set!! *the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html <http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html> are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring ma
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Tom, What point are you trying to make re start points? My understanding is that the local rules say indeed, that a selection from (not all), the old start points as listed in the nominated database will be the ones used for this contest.Do you have a problem with that? Cheers, Gary - Original Message - From: tom claffey To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine There is no airspace of concern in the task area? Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones. Tom -- From: Ross McLean To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Hi Chris The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues tasking out of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have found no problem with it at all. I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues a.. For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. b.. The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chris -- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or chang
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
There is no airspace of concern in the task area? Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones. Tom From: Ross McLean To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Hi Chris The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues tasking out of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have found no problem with it at all. I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. Regards, ROSS From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chris From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Ross, WinPilot on older iPaqs has serious issues with large databases of any kind. It seems to be constantly checking final glide to any marks landable point in either the TP file or the Airfield file (which contains every official airfield in asia and australia) - it can't do this in the refresh time, so crashes WinPilot - deleting the Airfield file helps. I suspect that it is also constantly checking the distance to any airspace boundary, but the calculation used is unable to ignore unrealistic points in the file. This means a huge file causes the same problems as above. In real terms (as you ask), WinPilot crashes if I try to use the airspace file on either of the iPaqs I have owned. Newer iPaqs with much faster processors, and processors better designed for calculations will work, but may be close to the limit ! I have previously taken this huge airspace file and spent several hours deleting any airspace that I wasn't likely to encounter from it, but this file is out of date (even if I can find it again). Matt On 26/01/2012, at 1:07 , Ross McLean wrote: > Hi Chris > The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced > competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles > Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set > tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues > tasking out of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing > field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that > identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are > present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no > Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have > personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have > found no problem with it at all. > I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. > Regards, ROSS > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley > Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine > > Narromine Nationals Competitors, > > The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace > files (see below) which from my point of view have issues > For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file > because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. > The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record > flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not > suitable in its current form. > > The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much > better. > http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine > > Regards > Chris > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean > Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine > > 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: > > We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. > All sections of the website > www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully > functional. > The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are > available for download. > The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer > from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. > The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each > day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own > forecasting well ahead of time. > If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you > will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. > > If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few > places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can > download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp > organizers. > > It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. > > ROSS > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Hi Chris The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues tasking out of Narromine so it wasn't felt necessary to assign a "playing field" as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have found no problem with it at all. I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chris _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chris _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
According to the NGC website there are only 45 entries and the weatherman is still TBA! Looks like the participants will certainly be doing their own forecasting!!! Plenty of spots left! From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 5:18 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
