Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
Though Prior is commonly a monastic superior, I've seen it applied to priests of a mother church. Your translation seems correct to me. Manoel César Furtado 2012/1/21 Richard Francis Pimentel : > Priory could mean another church. This record is from Santissimo Salvador so > Priory could mean NS Estrela which is the mother church (Martz) or any other > church under NS Estrela. So translated it would be "baptized in the above > referred Priory"? > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Spring, TX > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, > Sao Miguel, Acores > -Original Message- > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Manoel Cesar > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:43 AM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning. > > "Batizado na referida Prioral" > Prioral: the same as "Priorado", Priory in english. > > Manoel Cesar Furtado > > > 2012/1/21 Cheri Mello : >> Hi Richard, >> >> It drives me crazy when you do the snips. I can't compare his >> handwriting to something else :( >> >> Is this a marriage? If I back up to the end of line 3, I get: >> Manuel Lopes, son of Francisco Lopes and of Maria Eugenia, baptized >> (nat^e ... I'm pretty sure it's an abbreviation. I think it's for >> native), something, something. >> >> I can't figure out the efferida word, but I wonder if the next word is >> Prioz Or if that "z" is an "x?" >> >> Whatever it is, it's referring to the baptism of Manuel Lopes, the >> groom. I think this is a marriage. >> >> Anyone else? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation >> Azores+directions when >> they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No >> Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > > > -- m > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
Priory could mean another church. This record is from Santissimo Salvador so Priory could mean NS Estrela which is the mother church (Martz) or any other church under NS Estrela. So translated it would be "baptized in the above referred Priory"? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:43 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning. "Batizado na referida Prioral" Prioral: the same as "Priorado", Priory in english. Manoel Cesar Furtado 2012/1/21 Cheri Mello : > Hi Richard, > > It drives me crazy when you do the snips. I can't compare his > handwriting to something else :( > > Is this a marriage? If I back up to the end of line 3, I get: > Manuel Lopes, son of Francisco Lopes and of Maria Eugenia, baptized > (nat^e ... I'm pretty sure it's an abbreviation. I think it's for > native), something, something. > > I can't figure out the efferida word, but I wonder if the next word is > Prioz Or if that "z" is an "x?" > > Whatever it is, it's referring to the baptism of Manuel Lopes, the > groom. I think this is a marriage. > > Anyone else? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation > Azores+directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No > Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Manoel Cesar Furtado man...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
"Batizado na referida Prioral" Prioral: the same as "Priorado", Priory in english. Manoel Cesar Furtado 2012/1/21 Cheri Mello : > Hi Richard, > > It drives me crazy when you do the snips. I can't compare his handwriting > to something else :( > > Is this a marriage? If I back up to the end of line 3, I get: > Manuel Lopes, son of Francisco Lopes and of Maria Eugenia, baptized (nat^e > ... I'm pretty sure it's an abbreviation. I think it's for native), > something, something. > > I can't figure out the efferida word, but I wonder if the next word is > Prioz Or if that "z" is an "x?" > > Whatever it is, it's referring to the baptism of Manuel Lopes, the groom. I > think this is a marriage. > > Anyone else? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Manoel Cesar Furtado man...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
Rick, In accordance to the American linguistics journal: PiOxah is a semantic word and it means "to wash" and could also be the instrument which washes, like soap or a washing board. washes. Veffer is also semantic surname. Veffer+ida. Could indicate a type or brand Margaret On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote: > * * > > *Hi All, * > > * * > > *I am attaching a clip from a record. * > > * * > > *The 5th line reads Eugenia baptizado na vefferida Pioxah* > > * * > > *I think it means Eugenia baptism not verified in this Parish? Or am I > missing something?* > > * * > > * * > > *Rick* > > * * > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Spring, TX* > > *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire * > > * * > > *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada > Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores* > > ** ** > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- Margaret M Vicente -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
Hi Richard,Let us see if I can be of some help.To the best of my understanding it says: ... Eugenia baptizado na refferida Priocal (ou Pariocal)or in English: ... Eugenia baptized at the said ( or reffered) ParishIf you could send the whole record, maybe it could shed some morelight into the writing. Let me know.Ary SantosSao Paulo-Brazil. Em 21/01/2012 02:23, Richard Francis Pimentel < rfrancispimen...@comcast.net > escreveu: Hi All, I am attaching a clip from a record. The 5th line reads Eugenia baptizado na vefferida Pioxah I think it means Eugenia baptism not verified in this Parish? Or am I missing something? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Flores - Who are the children of Manuel Bernardo DE ALMEIDA and Teresa Candida Georgina ALVARES
Hello, Eric E Edgar kindly sent me the following family tree. I am still at a loss as to the children of Manuel and Teresa (see generation 2) - apart from my GG Grandfather 'Jose' (born 1841). Does anyone have any tips? Thanks Anita Descendants of Capitao Domingos Jose de Avelar Generation No. 1 1. CAPITAO DOMINGOS JOSE6 DE AVELAR (ALFERES JOSE FRANCISCO5, ALFERES MANUEL4,ANTONIO3 LOURENCO, JOAO2, GASPAR GONZALVES1 COELHO) was born Abt. 1775 in Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores, and died Bef. 1852. He married FRANCISCA CLARA DE JESUS 04 May 1806 in Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores, daughter of DOMINGOS DE ALMEIDA and MARIANA DA TRINDADE. She was born Abt. 1786 in Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores, and died Aft. 1852. Children of CAPITAO DE AVELAR and FRANCISCA DE JESUS are: i. MANUEL BERNARDO DE ALMEIDA, b. 28 Feb 1809, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores. ii. LAUREANO DE AVELAR, b. 18 Feb 1811, Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores. iii. JOAO DE DEUS DE AVELAR, b. 08 Mar 1812, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores; m. RITA DE JESUS DA TRINDADE, 08 Mar 1836, Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores; b. Abt. 1808, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores. iv. MARIA BERNARDA DE ALMEIDA, b. Abt. 1813, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores; m. JOAO MARCELINO SERPA DA SILVEIRA, 14 Sep 1834, Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores; b. Abt. 1800, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores. v. MARIANA BERNARDA DA GEORGIANA DE ALMEIDA, b. Abt. 1815, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores; m. (1) FRANCISCO JOSE RICARDO DA SILVEIRA, 18 Jan 1846, Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores; b. Abt. 1810, Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores Azores; d. Bef. 1859; m. (2) JOSE LOURENCO, 16 Sep 1859, Corvo Azores; b. Aft. 1819, Corvo Azores Islands. vi. FRANCISCO JOSE DE AVELAR, b. 05 Mar 1815, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores; m. (1) LIBANIA CANDIDA GEORGINA ALVARES, 15 Aug 1836, Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores; b. Abt. 1810, Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores; d. Bef. 1876; m. (2) MARIA LUISA, 1876, Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores; b. 1830, Fajazinha, Lajes das Flores. vii. LAUREANNO DE ALMEIDA, b. 31 Jan 1820, Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores. viii. RAIMUNDO DE AVELAR, b. 27 Jul 1821, Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores. Generation No. 2 2. MANUEL BERNARDO DE ALMEIDA (CAPITAO DOMINGOS JOSE6 DE AVELAR, ALFERES JOSE FRANCISCO5, ALFERES MANUEL4, ANTONIO3 LOURENCO, JOAO2, GASPAR GONZALVES1 COELHO) was born 28 Feb 1809 in Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores. He married TERESA CANDIDA GEORGINA ALVARES 18 Aug 1836 in Ponta Delgada Santa Cruz das Flores, daughter of ALFERES ALVARES and RITA SANTOS. She was born Abt. 1808 in Ponta Delgada , Santa Cruz das Flores. Child of MANUEL DE ALMEIDA and TERESA ALVARES is: i. JOSE BERNARDO DE ALMEIDA, b. 13 Mar 1841, Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
na referida paroquiain the refered parish - Original Message - From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:23:55 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning. Hi All, I am attaching a clip from a record. The 5 th line reads Eugenia baptizado na vefferida Pioxah I think it means Eugenia baptism not verified in this Parish? Or am I missing something? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Jorge family names
To all, Talked to my mom about the name issue. She said that Ava Arminda said they changed their names on purpose. This may not be for every family, but this is what she was told. They were really poor in the Azores, so when they came to America they felt rich and they wanted rich names so they changed their names to be wealthy Americans. They were so very proud to be called Americans. They kept their heritage but the names were changed. When they went home to visit, the family in the village expected them to have a festa. The visitor showed their wealth by paying for the festa. We have pictures of an aunt paying for her festa. The celebration was a large one. This is a family story of what was expected. It may not have been that way with all families but it might explain some of the name issues. I do not understand it, but I don't know all the issues associated with it either. Hope this helps Robin On Jan 20, 2012, at 21:41, Cheri Mello wrote: > Repost for Larry, soccer4dad2000 at yahoo.com > > Marcio, > > What is difficult to understand is why my family would have this other > information. I dont know where they would get it but that said I see > what you are saying in regards to the documents you have found. I > still am waiting to communicate with manuel's granddaughter about him. > I do that some of the family names came from documents. Ive never > heard of Josefa or Goulart in our family. I am greatful that you have > provided us with this information. I will check with the family to see > if we can figure it out. So many have passed away it might be > difficult. > > Do you have any other information on: > " Francisco Inacio Goulart and Ana Isabel Vargas and Ana was daughter > of Joaquim Machado da Silveira and Maria Josefa." > > Much thanks, > > Larry > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with meaning.
Hi Richard, It drives me crazy when you do the snips. I can't compare his handwriting to something else :( Is this a marriage? If I back up to the end of line 3, I get: Manuel Lopes, son of Francisco Lopes and of Maria Eugenia, baptized (nat^e ... I'm pretty sure it's an abbreviation. I think it's for native), something, something. I can't figure out the efferida word, but I wonder if the next word is Prioz Or if that "z" is an "x?" Whatever it is, it's referring to the baptism of Manuel Lopes, the groom. I think this is a marriage. Anyone else? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
