[AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA ancestors
Hi, Somehow I messed up some of my research I did some years ago :) so I need help!!! Does anyone have this line: - João Espínola Bettencourt married to Catarina Paula Bettencourt (I am not including the de on purpose). João was born in S. Mateus around 1724 and Catarina (may be) in Guadalupe. They married on the 24 April, 1748 in Guadalupe. Catarina was born around 1724. (The Bettencourt surname have various forms depending on who wrote it: Bitancór, Bitencôr, Bitencor, Bitencurt, Bittencurt, Bitencourt, Bittencourt and may be other...) Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Last name of Joseph de FREITAS de ?
Yes, Jose de Freitas de Moura son of Baltazar Gomes On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: Right hand page- the very last line on the bottom Is his name Juseph de FREITAS de Moura(?). It's the word after Freitas de Moura? I'm not sure about. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P37.html Thank. You Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure if I have right couple
Margaret, is Maria Almada the mother of this Simao Velho (wife of Mamoel Gomes?). Or is Maria Almada the first wife? Even after you told me, I'm trying to figure out if it's the deceased wife or the new bride. The writing is confusing. Ugh! Thank you for your patience with me. Maria Elena On May 18, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: indeed some confused writing but it's not Guimar's it's Maria de Almada who is natural from the Matriz and parishioner of this curch. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: On RIGHT HAND PAGE. (I wish it were the left one because that one is pbeeeutiful! Enough to send to Cheri) I'm looking to find out if the wife is Guimar Gomez. The groom is SIMAO Velho, widowed of Maria Manoel(??) and after that I am lost. I'm trying to find the name Guimar and I do not see it. I see filho of Manoel Gomez and I think somewhere before that it must have given name of the bride but I don't see it. Maybe the priest meant to write Filha de Manoel. Gomez and Maria de Mattos(?) The first wife is buried in NS de Purificacao but I lose it after that. O I'm sorry to always ask for help, I don't know how I could do this without all the help I receive from you on the list. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730_item1/P10.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Guimar Gomes' origin and marital status and question on godparents
I think that should be Antonio Curvello, son of Manuel de mello and Catarina Gonsalves nats of Santa Barbara. I think I looked these up for someone a few years ago. I will send what I have on them. JR On Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:25:02 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: JR, This is the very first ancestor I've found who is from Ponta Garca, Isabel de Melo. Link to her birth is below. All the others I've been researching recently are from Santa Maria then they started moving to Sao Miguel. This is my husband's paternal line top of the pedigree chart. Maybe you're related? Here is the link for the baptism of Isabel de Melo. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P118.html Isabel de Melo married Jose de Freitas 22 November 1739. They had one child and he died in 27 December 1742 at age 40. She then married Antonio Carvalho 4 February 1743. I found it strange that she married within 37 days of her husband's death. Maria Elena On May 17, 2014, at 8:55 PM, JR jmr...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Maria, may I ask, who are your ancestors in Ponta Garca, as that is also my home village. Or you can email me privately if you wish. JR On Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:20:01 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: Upper right for Izabel 4th line down After the mother's name, Guimar Gomez, there's a word that looks like familiar (?)...native of - (?) here the priest abbreviated where Guimar is from. ( the first word of 5th line down. something something Of Ponta Garca. Can someone please help me with the name of the place of the mother. Also if that ? word after the mother is the word: familiar, does that word mean it was a common law marriage? It was not legitimate as when they say sua mulher. ? Also, I noticed The priest didn't use the word padrinhos in this baptism but he DID say, familiares. (There's that word again). Does that mean the two people mentioned are relatives? There's a Manoel something Rapozo and a Doña Antonia (?) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P118.html Thank you for your help, Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure if I have right couple
Simao Velho widow of Maria Manoel barried in the church of N. Senhora da Purificacao where parishioner and natural of Santa Barbara and dis-obligated in this same church and Maria de Almada natural of the Matriz church of N. S. da Purificacao and our parishioner, daughter of Manuel Gomes and of Maria de Matos. At this time period they omitted entering deceased wife/husband and to rename the parents. But as the church began to develop their registry's they realized how incomplete that was then the progressively added the parents and deceased person's name. hope this helps clarify...as I said the priest didn't keep a straight line, not of clear thought..making it difficult to follow. On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret, is Maria Almada the mother of this Simao Velho (wife of Mamoel Gomes?). Or is Maria Almada the first wife? Even after you told me, I'm trying to figure out if it's the deceased wife or the new bride. The writing is confusing. Ugh! Thank you for your patience with me. Maria Elena On May 18, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: indeed some confused writing but it's not Guimar's it's Maria de Almada who is natural from the Matriz and parishioner of this curch. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.comwrote: On RIGHT HAND PAGE. (I wish it were the left one because that one is pbeeeutiful! Enough to send to Cheri) I'm looking to find out if the wife is Guimar Gomez. The groom is SIMAO Velho, widowed of Maria Manoel(??) and after that I am lost. I'm trying to find the name Guimar and I do not see it. I see filho of Manoel Gomez and I think somewhere before that it must have given name of the bride but I don't see it. Maybe the priest meant to write Filha de Manoel. Gomez and Maria de Mattos(?) The first wife is buried in NS de Purificacao but I lose it after that. O I'm sorry to always ask for help, I don't know how I could do this without all the help I receive from you on the list. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730_item1/P10.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Dear Cheri, I joined the Azorean Genealogy Group in order to gain a better understanding of my Azorean family and of the Azores as a whole. I admit, because of my lack of confidence in this subject matter, I don't post regularly. BUT, I consistently read 95% of the posts EVERYDAY to gain an understanding of the subject matter. I am a cheer leader so to speak in the background. I am marveled at all the members commitment and involvement. I am so appreciative to everyone in this group. I can't tell you how many times I tell my family how wonderful this group is and all the intelligent people who contribute. With confidence I submitted my DNA with the Azorean Project because of it's science, goals, foresight, and the strong moral principals of the administrators. I have gained so much joy, achieved a tremendous amount of knowledge, made some miraculous discoveries that has propelled me to meet families I thought never existed both in the US and the Azores. I underscore Miraculous. I have felt both the Azorean Genealogy Group and Azorean Project (FTDNA), functions in the best interest of genealogical science, follow ethical guidelines, monitors discrepancies to the best of their ability, and promotes an environment that is safe for ALL it's members. I did NOT ( I underscore NOT) join these groups to judged, assumed, counted, hacked, haggled, coerced, duped, stole from, lured by gift giving, made to feel uneasy, or have ONE molecule of doubt about where my genealogical and DNA information would be used for. I underscore One Molecule. Reading the content of the email that is segmenting people off into island groups by offering gifts in exchange for ?? What kind of information - DNA information?? So, you want my families names and histories, to be used for what??, by whom??, by YOU??? Where will this information go Oh I get it, you want to give me a gift (not that great of a gift to an expert genealogist), in exchange for (I am assuming) my families names, DNA information that will benefit your business model, RIGHT?? Wrong BUDDY!!! If so, your motives are unethical, selfish, self serving, and corrupt. Cheri, I appreciate you addressing this problem and nipping it in the bud. Best regards, grace Searching family names on the island Sao Miguel, Acores- Pacheco Sant'Anna, Pacheco-Moniz, Pacheco da Silva, Pereira, Figueira, da Costa Canario, Carvalho, de Medeiros, de Melo, Vieira, da Silva, de Viveiros, Tavares, Arruda, de Arruda, Futado Teixeira Primary villages on the island of San Miguel, Azores- Furnas, Maia, Lomba da Maia, Porto Formoso, and Nordeste -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 17, 2014 11:23 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Guimar Gomes' origin and marital status and question on godparents
Sorry, I forgot to address your last question - the first term is *- Apresentaram* translates as representing, but in this context it refers to the* witnesses*, Manoel Furtado Rapozo, and Dona Antonia; the second term is *filha familias* - translates as* member of the family of...*, it means that Dona Antonia is a member of the family of Manoel Furtado Rapozo. On Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:20:01 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: Upper right for Izabel 4th line down After the mother's name, Guimar Gomez, there's a word that looks like familiar (?)...native of - (?) here the priest abbreviated where Guimar is from. ( the first word of 5th line down. something something Of Ponta Garca. Can someone please help me with the name of the place of the mother. Also if that ? word after the mother is the word: familiar, does that word mean it was a common law marriage? It was not legitimate as when they say sua mulher. ? Also, I noticed The priest didn't use the word padrinhos in this baptism but he DID say, familiares. (There's that word again). Does that mean the two people mentioned are relatives? There's a Manoel something Rapozo and a Doña Antonia (?) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P118.html Thank you for your help, Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Guimar Gomes' origin and marital status and question on godparents
Maria, 1. The term is* familial*. It's synonymous with* native* in this context. 2. The abbreviation you referred to is for *Nossa Senhora da Piedade,* the church in Ponta Garca - but that reference is the *6th line down*; the previous line lists a parish, which is also abbreviated, but, refers to the previous parish in the narrative, of* Nossa Senhora da Purificacao,* in Santo Espirito, on the Island of Santa Maria - which she [Guimar], is* native* to, and *Nossa Senhora da Piedade*, Ponta Garca, as the parish where she is a* resident*. ~ On Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:20:01 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: Upper right for Izabel 4th line down After the mother's name, Guimar Gomez, there's a word that looks like familiar (?)...native of - (?) here the priest abbreviated where Guimar is from. ( the first word of 5th line down. something something Of Ponta Garca. Can someone please help me with the name of the place of the mother. Also if that ? word after the mother is the word: familiar, does that word mean it was a common law marriage? It was not legitimate as when they say sua mulher. ? Also, I noticed The priest didn't use the word padrinhos in this baptism but he DID say, familiares. (There's that word again). Does that mean the two people mentioned are relatives? There's a Manoel something Rapozo and a Doña Antonia (?) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P118.html Thank you for your help, Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
To Cheri and Doug, I don't usually respond to this type of mail, but I feel compelled to add a different perspective. My husband and I started working on my genealogy in 2007. Since I am a big user of the internet I went on line and started looking at any and every lead to my Azorean genealogies. One of the first sites I found was yours, Doug. It sounded very promising, but then as I looked further... nothing was ever added. You suggested we submit photos that you said you would post... but none other than yours seemed to make it on your pages (I sent photos of my great grandparents but never found them on your site). As I continued my researching I found the Azores GenWeb page which I found very useful. You, of course, were on there, but I found more sites also. I found a whole community who were willing to help new interested people find their ancestors. To me, that is what Cheri and others have done on this this site. For the most part, we are simply people interested in our genealogy and we have a common interest, the Azores. The help that I have received on this site is invaluable. Although I have only met a handful of the listers on this site, I consider many my friends. Doug, for you to expound your expertise in such a way that all others should revere your wisdom is beyond the scope of this site. I believe we on a whole, enjoy the camaraderie of our heritage and like the people of the Azores, enjoy the Saudades of the Islands. Tish On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 9:14 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Cheri, Since you wrote this to the entire list, I'll respond in the same way. Of all the people I recently met after my posting about Pico and Terceira ancestors, I will let them speak up if they want. There is not one single one of them that has a single thing to object to. Since I won't violate their privacy, I'll encourage them to either write and respond on this list or to you privately. That will be all the speaking I need to do on my behalf. As to DNA fund raising, there is probably no one better qualified to do the research for Pico and Terceira than myself. It's because of how I approach the subject. Unlike all the published genealogists who pick particular lines that interest them, which tend to be the wealthiest or most famous, I try and do include everyone. Even slaves, expostos, etc, into my database and for this reason it's the most complete in the world. So taking a person's line from the most recent to the most distant is often just a few minutes, because I might have done the research years ago. And so using this to my advantage, I can selectively find ancestral lines from end of the line to present day with the end goal of getting a person to do the test, at the same time furthering my knowledge of these people from Pico and Terceira that I have devoted myself to for over two decades so far. Frankly, I am probably your biggest promoter of DNA testing and it's really amazing you find something to gripe about. But I suppose when you had a bad day recently and acted like a school master telling a child to do this or that and I didn't play your game, that was the last thing you said to me until now. By the way, most of those who wrote me said they didn't have much to contribute, but enjoy what I write about. One said they didn't know why but you filtered their message and prevented their question from being asked. So I'm am helping that person myself. It would not surprise me if after this message hits the list (IF you let it hit the list) that you unsubscribe me. I already started participating less because of your attitude. But it's your list that you started when the old Rootsweb Azores List was taken over by some guy that started to act similarly to what you are now doing. So it would not surprise me if this marks the beginning of the decline here. But I think the decent folks on the list don't want to witness what you are trying to create with me. As for me, I won't comment again about this, even if you insist. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sat, May 17, 2014 8:22 pm To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Greetings, I can only say YES to everything and reiterate that everything Grace said expresses how I feel regarding the group. Thank you. Cheri, you are a much more patient person than I am.I can only assume that Doug wasn't disappeared a long time ago because of his father, Lionel who is a welcome presence in the group. Doug, from the time Family Finder was introduced you became a very active member of the group although prior to that time you were much less active. Your intent to milk the group was clear from the beginning. Cheri's kind to compare you to a used car salesmanI would liken your snarky attitude to a snake oil salesman. While you may have good information to contribute it's never delivered without a solicitation..some yuckier than others.I sincerely doubt your statement that Cheri kept members posts from the groupthat would be totally out of character and the best evidence of that is that some of your more distasteful posts have been allowed! I think the lack of response to your gift email is that quite a few people are put off by you. My very outspoken Mother, (a Pereira) would have simply told you to Go pound tar.she was a very wise woman! Nancy Jean Baptista Pico, Santa Maria, Sao Jorge...mainly To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising From: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 10:00:33 -0400 Dear Cheri, I joined the Azorean Genealogy Group in order to gain a better understanding of my Azorean family and of the Azores as a whole. I admit, because of my lack of confidence in this subject matter, I don't post regularly. BUT, I consistently read 95% of the posts EVERYDAY to gain an understanding of the subject matter. I am a cheer leader so to speak in the background. I am marveled at all the members commitment and involvement. I am so appreciative to everyone in this group. I can't tell you how many times I tell my family how wonderful this group is and all the intelligent people who contribute. With confidence I submitted my DNA with the Azorean Project because of it's science, goals, foresight, and the strong moral principals of the administrators. I have gained so much joy, achieved a tremendous amount of knowledge, made some miraculous discoveries that has propelled me to meet families I thought never existed both in the US and the Azores. I underscore Miraculous. I have felt both the Azorean Genealogy Group and Azorean Project (FTDNA), functions in the best interest of genealogical science, follow ethical guidelines, monitors discrepancies to the best of their ability, and promotes an environment that is safe for ALL it's members. I did NOT ( I underscore NOT) join these groups to judged, assumed, counted, hacked, haggled, coerced, duped, stole from, lured by gift giving, made to feel uneasy, or have ONE molecule of doubt about where my genealogical and DNA information would be used for. I underscore One Molecule. Reading the content of the email that is segmenting people off into island groups by offering gifts in exchange for ?? What kind of information - DNA information?? So, you want my families names and histories, to be used for what??, by whom??, by YOU??? Where will this information go Oh I get it, you want to give me a gift (not that great of a gift to an expert genealogist), in exchange for (I am assuming) my families names, DNA information that will benefit your business model, RIGHT?? Wrong BUDDY!!! If so, your motives are unethical, selfish, self serving, and corrupt. Cheri, I appreciate you addressing this problem and nipping it in the bud. Best regards, grace Searching family names on the island Sao Miguel, Acores- Pacheco Sant'Anna, Pacheco-Moniz, Pacheco da Silva, Pereira, Figueira, da Costa Canario, Carvalho, de Medeiros, de Melo, Vieira, da Silva, de Viveiros, Tavares, Arruda, de Arruda, Futado Teixeira Primary villages on the island of San Miguel, Azores- Furnas, Maia, Lomba da Maia, Porto Formoso, and Nordeste -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 17, 2014 11:23 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that
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Well said, Cheri and the rest of those who answered the gift email, I fully support all of your posting. Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:53 AM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings, I can only say YES to everything and reiterate that everything Grace said expresses how I feel regarding the group. Thank you. Cheri, you are a much more patient person than I am.I can only assume that Doug wasn't disappeared a long time ago because of his father, Lionel who is a welcome presence in the group. Doug, from the time Family Finder was introduced you became a very active member of the group although prior to that time you were much less active. Your intent to milk the group was clear from the beginning. Cheri's kind to compare you to a used car salesmanI would liken your snarky attitude to a snake oil salesman. While you may have good information to contribute it's never delivered without a solicitation..some yuckier than others.I sincerely doubt your statement that Cheri kept members posts from the groupthat would be totally out of character and the best evidence of that is that some of your more distasteful posts have been allowed! I think the lack of response to your gift email is that quite a few people are put off by you. My very outspoken Mother, (a Pereira) would have simply told you to Go pound tar.she was a very wise woman! Nancy Jean Baptista Pico, Santa Maria, Sao Jorge...mainly To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising From: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 10:00:33 -0400 Dear Cheri, I joined the Azorean Genealogy Group in order to gain a better understanding of my Azorean family and of the Azores as a whole. I admit, because of my lack of confidence in this subject matter, I don't post regularly. BUT, I consistently read 95% of the posts EVERYDAY to gain an understanding of the subject matter. I am a cheer leader so to speak in the background. I am marveled at all the members commitment and involvement. I am so appreciative to everyone in this group. I can't tell you how many times I tell my family how wonderful this group is and all the intelligent people who contribute. With confidence I submitted my DNA with the Azorean Project because of it's science, goals, foresight, and the strong moral principals of the administrators. I have gained so much joy, achieved a tremendous amount of knowledge, made some miraculous discoveries that has propelled me to meet families I thought never existed both in the US and the Azores. I underscore Miraculous. I have felt both the Azorean Genealogy Group and Azorean Project (FTDNA), functions in the best interest of genealogical science, follow ethical guidelines, monitors discrepancies to the best of their ability, and promotes an environment that is safe for ALL it's members. I did NOT ( I underscore NOT) join these groups to judged, assumed, counted, hacked, haggled, coerced, duped, stole from, lured by gift giving, made to feel uneasy, or have ONE molecule of doubt about where my genealogical and DNA information would be used for. I underscore One Molecule. Reading the content of the email that is segmenting people off into island groups by offering gifts in exchange for ?? What kind of information - DNA information?? So, you want my families names and histories, to be used for what??, by whom??, by YOU??? Where will this information go Oh I get it, you want to give me a gift (not that great of a gift to an expert genealogist), in exchange for (I am assuming) my families names, DNA information that will benefit your business model, RIGHT?? Wrong BUDDY!!! If so, your motives are unethical, selfish, self serving, and corrupt. Cheri, I appreciate you addressing this problem and nipping it in the bud. Best regards, grace Searching family names on the island Sao Miguel, Acores- Pacheco Sant'Anna, Pacheco-Moniz, Pacheco da Silva, Pereira, Figueira, da Costa Canario, Carvalho, de Medeiros, de Melo, Vieira, da Silva, de Viveiros, Tavares, Arruda, de Arruda, Futado Teixeira Primary villages on the island of San Miguel, Azores- Furnas, Maia, Lomba da Maia, Porto Formoso, andNordeste -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 17, 2014 11:23 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their
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Doug and All Listers I've read the recent posts by Doug Holmes and now this response by Cheri and felt like adding my two cents worth in. You know, this list works the same way that every other list I've ever belonged to does. That is, there could be hundreds or even a few thousand subscribers, but only a small percentage of people actually post. The rest lurk. They read and learn from the posts, but don't post anything. I pretty much count myself in that lurker group. I read the posts (most of them) but rarely respond to any. That's just human nature for most of us. I'm quite certain, though, that we are all learning from what is posted here. Further, I support Cheri 100%. She maintains this list, for the good of all of us. It is not an easy task to keep us all on task and the discussions pertinent to genealogy. She spends a lot of time and effort on this and deserves our respect and appreciation for that. For those who may not know me, I am the coordinator of the Azores GenWeb site. I'm responsible for maintaining the site and providing content to it. It's main purpose is to provide information and resources for beginning genealogists. On the main page (link below) you will find a section on Researchers for Hire. If you want to If you haven't already checked it out, I invite you to do so. Doug, I think you should count me as one of those folks who are unclear about your intent by offering a gift. Frankly, I find it odd that you would do so and, to me, it makes me uncomfortable. I'm not trying to suggest that this is a scam... just that it almost seems that way but I'm sure that was not your intention? As for the free DNA testing you are offering... on the surface that seems very nice of you. But, I wonder .. is this something you will freely share with others? Or will you somehow figure out how to charge the rest of us for the information you are gleaning from it? I know from personal experience with you when I shared my husband's ancestry from Terceira, that you like to accept what others send you to increase your database but offer nothing in return . unless we pay for it. Is that what this is about? I'm sure you have some supporters, but I'm not one of then. Not now. Not ever. You are all about the money. You don't share anything at all, unless you get paid for your services. It's just your way but you should, at least, be up front about it. Kathy Cardoza ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html ~~~ On May 17, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted
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I'm with Celeste, the other long timers and all the newbies on this list who sincerely appreciates all the hard work Cheri has put into maintaining the list in a friendly and professional manner...a great big THANK YOU, CHERI. E On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote: Doug and All Listers I’ve read the recent posts by Doug Holmes and now this response by Cheri and felt like adding my two cents worth in….. You know, this list works the same way that every other list I’ve ever belonged to does. That is, there could be hundreds or even a few thousand subscribers, but only a small percentage of people actually post. The rest lurk. They read and learn from the posts, but don’t post anything. I pretty much count myself in that lurker group. I read the posts (most of them) but rarely respond to any. That’s just human nature for most of us. I’m quite certain, though, that we are all learning from what is posted here. Further, I support Cheri 100%. She maintains this list, for the good of all of us. It is not an easy task to keep us all on task and the discussions pertinent to genealogy. She spends a lot of time and effort on this and deserves our respect and appreciation for that. For those who may not know me, I am the coordinator of the Azores GenWeb site. I’m responsible for maintaining the site and providing content to it. It’s main purpose is to provide information and resources for beginning genealogists. On the main page (link below) you will find a section on Researchers for Hire. If you want to If you haven’t already checked it out, I invite you to do so. Doug, I think you should count me as one of those folks who are unclear about your intent by offering a “gift.” Frankly, I find it odd that you would do so and, to me, it makes me uncomfortable. I’m not trying to suggest that this is a scam……. just that it almost seems that way but I’m sure that was not your intention? As for the free DNA testing you are offering……. on the surface that seems very nice of you. But, I wonder …… is this something you will freely share with others? Or will you somehow figure out how to charge the rest of us for the information you are gleaning from it? I know from personal experience with you when I shared my husband’s ancestry from Terceira, that you like to accept what others send you to increase your database but offer nothing in return ….. unless we pay for it. Is that what this is about? I’m sure you have some supporters, but I’m not one of then. Not now. Not ever. You are all about the money. You don’t share anything at all, unless you get paid for your services. It’s just your way but you should, at least, be up front about it. Kathy Cardoza ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html ~~~ On May 17, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we
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I agree with Grace, Celeste, Kathy and others. And say my own thank you Cheri for all you work and action taken. Is ti just me or is thsi a bit of deja vu. I seem to recognise this wearing a diferent coat. Once again Cheri, many thanks. Hermano Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 11:04:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising From: bellema...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com I'm with Celeste, the other long timers and all the newbies on this list who sincerely appreciates all the hard work Cheri has put into maintaining the list in a friendly and professional manner...a great big THANK YOU, CHERI. E On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote: Doug and All Listers I've read the recent posts by Doug Holmes and now this response by Cheri and felt like adding my two cents worth in. You know, this list works the same way that every other list I've ever belonged to does. That is, there could be hundreds or even a few thousand subscribers, but only a small percentage of people actually post. The rest lurk. They read and learn from the posts, but don't post anything. I pretty much count myself in that lurker group. I read the posts (most of them) but rarely respond to any. That's just human nature for most of us. I'm quite certain, though, that we are all learning from what is posted here. Further, I support Cheri 100%. She maintains this list, for the good of all of us. It is not an easy task to keep us all on task and the discussions pertinent to genealogy. She spends a lot of time and effort on this and deserves our respect and appreciation for that. For those who may not know me, I am the coordinator of the Azores GenWeb site. I'm responsible for maintaining the site and providing content to it. It's main purpose is to provide information and resources for beginning genealogists. On the main page (link below) you will find a section on Researchers for Hire. If you want to If you haven't already checked it out, I invite you to do so. Doug, I think you should count me as one of those folks who are unclear about your intent by offering a gift. Frankly, I find it odd that you would do so and, to me, it makes me uncomfortable. I'm not trying to suggest that this is a scam... just that it almost seems that way but I'm sure that was not your intention? As for the free DNA testing you are offering... on the surface that seems very nice of you. But, I wonder .. is this something you will freely share with others? Or will you somehow figure out how to charge the rest of us for the information you are gleaning from it? I know from personal experience with you when I shared my husband's ancestry from Terceira, that you like to accept what others send you to increase your database but offer nothing in return . unless we pay for it. Is that what this is about? I'm sure you have some supporters, but I'm not one of then. Not now. Not ever. You are all about the money. You don't share anything at all, unless you get paid for your services. It's just your way but you should, at least, be up front about it. Kathy Cardoza~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html~~~ On May 17, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car
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31 Mar 1905 birth and 24 Apr 1905 for baptism. you had the wrong page for your link On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 7:50 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: hi i can't make out some words on this one http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/pageview=arg6BAP2id=1img=3size=1 faustino son of jacinto furtado march 31 or 21, 1905 birth april 24, 1905 baptism is it March 21 or 31? thanks carmen -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Hi Cheri!!! Thank you for letting me know who is who on the list! This way the Azores Genealogy Group will last! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Simply want to add my support to and appreciation of Cheri and all she does for all of us listmembers and also to say “thanks” for everyone else who gives so freely of their knowledge and expertise. Sam (currently wandering around the southeast) Sent from Windows Mail From: Hermano C. Pires Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:30 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com I agree with Grace, Celeste, Kathy and others. And say my own thank you Cheri for all you work and action taken. Is ti just me or is thsi a bit of deja vu. I seem to recognise this wearing a diferent coat. Once again Cheri, many thanks. Hermano Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 11:04:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising From: bellema...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com I'm with Celeste, the other long timers and all the newbies on this list who sincerely appreciates all the hard work Cheri has put into maintaining the list in a friendly and professional manner...a great big THANK YOU, CHERI. E On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote: Doug and All Listers I’ve read the recent posts by Doug Holmes and now this response by Cheri and felt like adding my two cents worth in….. You know, this list works the same way that every other list I’ve ever belonged to does. That is, there could be hundreds or even a few thousand subscribers, but only a small percentage of people actually post. The rest lurk. They read and learn from the posts, but don’t post anything. I pretty much count myself in that lurker group. I read the posts (most of them) but rarely respond to any. That’s just human nature for most of us. I’m quite certain, though, that we are all learning from what is posted here. Further, I support Cheri 100%. She maintains this list, for the good of all of us. It is not an easy task to keep us all on task and the discussions pertinent to genealogy. She spends a lot of time and effort on this and deserves our respect and appreciation for that. For those who may not know me, I am the coordinator of the Azores GenWeb site. I’m responsible for maintaining the site and providing content to it. It’s main purpose is to provide information and resources for beginning genealogists. On the main page (link below) you will find a section on Researchers for Hire. If you want to If you haven’t already checked it out, I invite you to do so. Doug, I think you should count me as one of those folks who are unclear about your intent by offering a “gift.” Frankly, I find it odd that you would do so and, to me, it makes me uncomfortable. I’m not trying to suggest that this is a scam……. just that it almost seems that way but I’m sure that was not your intention? As for the free DNA testing you are offering……. on the surface that seems very nice of you. But, I wonder …… is this something you will freely share with others? Or will you somehow figure out how to charge the rest of us for the information you are gleaning from it? I know from personal experience with you when I shared my husband’s ancestry from Terceira, that you like to accept what others send you to increase your database but offer nothing in return ….. unless we pay for it. Is that what this is about? I’m sure you have some supporters, but I’m not one of then. Not now. Not ever. You are all about the money. You don’t share anything at all, unless you get paid for your services. It’s just your way but you should, at least, be up front about it. Kathy Cardoza ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html ~~~ On May 17, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've been eyeballing! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've been eyeballing! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Ditto to what Cheryl said. Maria Natalia -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I know this is going to sound real corny but can't we all just be kind to each other. I've really come to appreciate all of you, you are ALL wonderful people. Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Guimar Gomes' origin and marital status and question on godparents
I appreciate all the help with this record which was very confusing to me and maybe I've found some connections. I love the good will of the people on this list to help each other. Recently I try to see if I'm getting to the point where I can help decipher someone else's question and by the time I figure it out someone else has already posted the answer. Even so, I learn something from the post. Maria Elena On May 18, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Maria, 1. The term is familial. It's synonymous with native in this context. 2. The abbreviation you referred to is for Nossa Senhora da Piedade, the church in Ponta Garca - but that reference is the 6th line down; the previous line lists a parish, which is also abbreviated, but, refers to the previous parish in the narrative, of Nossa Senhora da Purificacao, in Santo Espirito, on the Island of Santa Maria - which she [Guimar], is native to, and Nossa Senhora da Piedade, Ponta Garca, as the parish where she is a resident. ~ On Saturday, May 17, 2014 2:20:01 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: Upper right for Izabel 4th line down After the mother's name, Guimar Gomez, there's a word that looks like familiar (?)...native of - (?) here the priest abbreviated where Guimar is from. ( the first word of 5th line down. something something Of Ponta Garca. Can someone please help me with the name of the place of the mother. Also if that ? word after the mother is the word: familiar, does that word mean it was a common law marriage? It was not legitimate as when they say sua mulher. ? Also, I noticed The priest didn't use the word padrinhos in this baptism but he DID say, familiares. (There's that word again). Does that mean the two people mentioned are relatives? There's a Manoel something Rapozo and a Doña Antonia (?) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P118.html Thank you for your help, Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA ancestors
I have a Joao Jose Bettencourt born June 16, 1782 - father Antonio. Haven't gone further back yet. I have not had much luck in finding information for my grandfather, Francisco Souza Rosa born 1887 in Graciosa (I am told). Arrive in Boston at around age 4 or 5. His parents were Manuel Rosa and Maria A. Rosa. Any clues would be appreciated. Colleen Wright Researching Cunha, Rosa, Bettencourt in Graciosa On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@sapo.pt wrote: Hi, Somehow I messed up some of my research I did some years ago J so I need help!!! Does anyone have this line: - João Espínola Bettencourt married to Catarina Paula Bettencourt (I am not including the “de” on purpose). João was born in S. Mateus around 1724 and Catarina (may be) in Guadalupe. They married on the 24 April, 1748 in Guadalupe. Catarina was born around 1724. (The Bettencourt surname have various forms depending on who wrote it: Bitancór, Bitencôr, Bitencor, Bitencurt, Bittencurt, Bitencourt, Bittencourt and may be other…) *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Well said, Cheri and to other list members who have responded to the DNA fundraising etc. I have always supported the List and also FTDna. I feel comfortable with FTDna handling my DNA and my family info. I really feel that if we want to help people that do not have the money to get their DNA done that we should do as Cheri has said and do it thru FTDna. I’m sorry, Doug, that I do not agree with your way of doing this. I feel as a genealogical researcher for hire that you should not be using the Azores List to promote/seek customers and I really feel this is what is happening. There are other researchers for hire on this list and they do not publicly advertise on the List. What is done off-list is your business but the rest of the List does not need to see this. Rosemarie From: 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:37 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising Well said, Cheri and the rest of those who answered the gift email, I fully support all of your posting. Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:53 AM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings, I can only say YES to everything and reiterate that everything Grace said expresses how I feel regarding the group. Thank you. Cheri, you are a much more patient person than I am.I can only assume that Doug wasn't disappeared a long time ago because of his father, Lionel who is a welcome presence in the group. Doug, from the time Family Finder was introduced you became a very active member of the group although prior to that time you were much less active. Your intent to milk the group was clear from the beginning. Cheri's kind to compare you to a used car salesmanI would liken your snarky attitude to a snake oil salesman. While you may have good information to contribute it's never delivered without a solicitation..some yuckier than others.I sincerely doubt your statement that Cheri kept members posts from the groupthat would be totally out of character and the best evidence of that is that some of your more distasteful posts have been allowed! I think the lack of response to your gift email is that quite a few people are put off by you. My very outspoken Mother, (a Pereira) would have simply told you to Go pound tar.she was a very wise woman! Nancy Jean Baptista Pico, Santa Maria, Sao Jorge...mainly To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising From: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 10:00:33 -0400 Dear Cheri, I joined the Azorean Genealogy Group in order to gain a better understanding of my Azorean family and of the Azores as a whole. I admit, because of my lack of confidence in this subject matter, I don't post regularly. BUT, I consistently read 95% of the posts EVERYDAY to gain an understanding of the subject matter. I am a cheer leader so to speak in the background. I am marveled at all the members commitment and involvement. I am so appreciative to everyone in this group. I can't tell you how many times I tell my family how wonderful this group is and all the intelligent people who contribute. With confidence I submitted my DNA with the Azorean Project because of it's science, goals, foresight, and the strong moral principals of the administrators. I have gained so much joy, achieved a tremendous amount of knowledge, made some miraculous discoveries that has propelled me to meet families I thought never existed both in the US and the Azores. I underscore Miraculous. I have felt both the Azorean Genealogy Group and Azorean Project (FTDNA), functions in the best interest of genealogical science, follow ethical guidelines, monitors discrepancies to the best of their ability, and promotes an environment that is safe for ALL it's members. I did NOT ( I underscore NOT) join these groups to judged, assumed, counted, hacked, haggled, coerced, duped, stole from, lured by gift giving, made to feel uneasy, or have ONE molecule of doubt about where my genealogical and DNA information would be used for. I underscore One Molecule. Reading the content of the email that is segmenting people off into island groups by offering gifts in exchange for ?? What kind of information - DNA information?? So, you want my families names and histories, to be used for what??, by whom??, by YOU??? Where will this information go Oh I get it, you want to give me a gift (not that great of a gift to an expert genealogist), in exchange for (I am assuming) my families names, DNA information that will benefit your business model, RIGHT?? Wrong BUDDY!!! If so, your motives are unethical, selfish, self serving, and corrupt. Cheri, I appreciate you addressing this problem and nipping it in the bud.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Here here, from a lurker, who doesn't have enough family info yet to do more. Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2014, at 11:04 AM, \E\ Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: I'm with Celeste, the other long timers and all the newbies on this list who sincerely appreciates all the hard work Cheri has put into maintaining the list in a friendly and professional manner...a great big THANK YOU, CHERI. E On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote: Doug and All Listers I’ve read the recent posts by Doug Holmes and now this response by Cheri and felt like adding my two cents worth in….. You know, this list works the same way that every other list I’ve ever belonged to does. That is, there could be hundreds or even a few thousand subscribers, but only a small percentage of people actually post. The rest lurk. They read and learn from the posts, but don’t post anything. I pretty much count myself in that lurker group. I read the posts (most of them) but rarely respond to any. That’s just human nature for most of us. I’m quite certain, though, that we are all learning from what is posted here. Further, I support Cheri 100%. She maintains this list, for the good of all of us. It is not an easy task to keep us all on task and the discussions pertinent to genealogy. She spends a lot of time and effort on this and deserves our respect and appreciation for that. For those who may not know me, I am the coordinator of the Azores GenWeb site. I’m responsible for maintaining the site and providing content to it. It’s main purpose is to provide information and resources for beginning genealogists. On the main page (link below) you will find a section on Researchers for Hire. If you want to If you haven’t already checked it out, I invite you to do so. Doug, I think you should count me as one of those folks who are unclear about your intent by offering a “gift.” Frankly, I find it odd that you would do so and, to me, it makes me uncomfortable. I’m not trying to suggest that this is a scam……. just that it almost seems that way but I’m sure that was not your intention? As for the free DNA testing you are offering……. on the surface that seems very nice of you. But, I wonder …… is this something you will freely share with others? Or will you somehow figure out how to charge the rest of us for the information you are gleaning from it? I know from personal experience with you when I shared my husband’s ancestry from Terceira, that you like to accept what others send you to increase your database but offer nothing in return ….. unless we pay for it. Is that what this is about? I’m sure you have some supporters, but I’m not one of then. Not now. Not ever. You are all about the money. You don’t share anything at all, unless you get paid for your services. It’s just your way but you should, at least, be up front about it. Kathy Cardoza ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html ~~~ On May 17, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Another Lurker here. I appreciate Cheri's hard work in managing this listserv, as well as to all who have helped me in the past. I second Cheryl's post. Doug, too, has been a great help to me in the past. I was not offended by his post either. That makes two of us, Cheryl. Paz, Guida Leicester (searching Azevedo) On Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:37 PM, Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com wrote: I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,Pico Pinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've been eyeballing! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I contributed earlier when I felt I could help with something. As of late I am I guess a lurker. I appreciate all the information and help I have received from many. Certainly Cheryl, Rosemary, Eric and Doug have all helped me from time to time. Cheryl I am very grateful you took this task on. Eric helped me big time with Pleasanton people, the Anselmo's and Dutra's. Melanie really helped me with my Hawaiian connection. I, like Cheryl Lawrence, was not offended by Doug's note. I just thought he was trying to motivate us. I'm sorry some people were unhappy. Hopefully this is a minor bump in the road. Thank You, Pat Nostrome Vieira Anselmo, Sao Miguel Pereira Dutra, Pico -Original Message- From: Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 18, 2014 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Cheryl, I am sorry that reading some of our posts was upsetting to you. Speaking for myself, in order for you to understand my reaction towards Mr. Holmes and his intent to entice someone with gifts in order to get their DNA, I recommend you read Rebecca Skloot book entitled, the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. It was a required read in my doctorate program at Duke University. If the book is too long, here is a short snippet from The New York Times - Sunday Review - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/the-immortal-life-of-henrietta-lacks-the-sequel.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 Aside from the misuse of someone's DNA, there are other reasons why I question Mr. Holmes integrity. I was a victim of his fraudulent web site. I will leave it as that. I would hope that you don't get sucked into these enticements. But how would you know if no one said anything. I look forward to putting this day behind us and enjoy the comrade of this group. Like you said, we are all one big family, and many of us are blood. I'd like to keep those positive thoughts in my head and not the latter. Again, thank-you for your post. Best regards, grace Searching family names on the island Sao Miguel, Acores- Pacheco Sant'Anna, Pacheco-Moniz, Pacheco da Silva, Pereira, Figueira, da Costa Canario, Carvalho, de Medeiros, de Melo, Vieira, da Silva, de Viveiros, Tavares, Arruda, de Arruda, Futado Teixeira Primary villages on the island of San Miguel, Azores- Furnas, Maia, Lomba da Maia, Porto Formoso, and Nordeste -Original Message- From: Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 18, 2014 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a
[AZORES-Genealogy] Free lecture on Azores-Portugal research
Hi Just thought anyone in the Santa Cruz area may be interested in the following free lecture on Azores-Portugal family research June 26th 2014 1pm at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 220 Elk street Santa Cruz Guest speaker: Ralph F Severson To be discussed: Brief history of Portugal Portuguese naming traditions Tracing your Portuguese ancestors in California back to the old. Country A primer on reading records in Portuguese. Ralph is the current director of the Oakland familysearch library where he is the primary instructor for classes. If you have a laptop, please bring it. For more information call the Santa Cruz family history center at 831-426-1078. Emily Martin -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Hello, I think its good to air out differences, preferably in private. But, now that the cat is out of the bag... I would say that it is okay to have differences, and there is no reason why this should change anything. I will say this, both Cheri and Doug are consumate genealogists, and if it were not for them, and the many others on here that go out of there way to help us, I wouldn't have made the progress I have. I'm sure I'm reiterating most others setiments. When I first started this passion of mine, both Cheri and Doug contacted me and offered help. I read their posts, we all do. They're both very passionate about theirs, and our ancestors. I would like Cheri and Doug to know that the passion and love you both show for Azorean genealogy does not go unnoticed; it spreads to the rest of us. Thats why we're all here. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
