Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Yahoo! Found my grandfather's passport information. It verifies what my father always said that he was from Sao Mateus, Graciosa! He left from Angra and came through New York at the age of 11! Settled in Lawrence, Mass. Doesn't look like he traveled with his parents though - so more unanswered questions! His name was not written correctly on ship's manifest which added to confusion. I have been searching for him for several years. I had records of him once he was in Massachusetts but not in Azores. So exciting to have this information. Thank you Cheri Mello and Richard Pimentel all for your help. Colleen Wright Researching Rosa, Cunha-Bettencourt in Graciosa, Machado-Silva in Pico and Terceira, and Goncalves in Terceira On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Terceira passaportes for Angra (Terceira) for 1896-1902 are here: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902_item1/index.html > > Since there are about 300 images and 1899 is in the middle, I clicked on > image 150. I wasn't in 1899. So I went to image 140 which has October 1899. > Work your way back. You are close. Very close. > > And please, no one find the image and give it to her unless she asks for > help. Let her do it, scream and yell and freak her neighbors out! LOL > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
thanks Cheri! Yes, I will jump for joy when I find it! Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Terceira passaportes for Angra (Terceira) for 1896-1902 are here: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902_item1/index.html > > Since there are about 300 images and 1899 is in the middle, I clicked on > image 150. I wasn't in 1899. So I went to image 140 which has October 1899. > Work your way back. You are close. Very close. > > And please, no one find the image and give it to her unless she asks for > help. Let her do it, scream and yell and freak her neighbors out! LOL > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
The way it's easier for me to understand why you get different results is that I look more like and take more like my mother and my sister is more like my father's side of the family Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:15 PM, E Sharp wrote: > > > One more question on this Family FInder test.if siblings, a brother and > a sister, take the test would the results be the same. If not, how would > they be different? > > "E" > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Terceira passaportes for Angra (Terceira) for 1896-1902 are here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902_item1/index.html Since there are about 300 images and 1899 is in the middle, I clicked on image 150. I wasn't in 1899. So I went to image 140 which has October 1899. Work your way back. You are close. Very close. And please, no one find the image and give it to her unless she asks for help. Let her do it, scream and yell and freak her neighbors out! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
It was my mother's DNA. Francisco Sousa Rosa is my father's father. I found the ship manifest and he is listed as Franco de Sensa Rosa age 11. When looking at writing, I'm almost sure Sensa is Sousa. He was born Oct. 1887, so age fits. Shows leaving from Terceira. So I will search passports for Terceira now. Trying to make out other passengers names he may have traveled with. If I did my DNA, would it help in showing my father's? My only brother has passed and no other living males. I see that FTDNA is having a sale now. So excited to finally find out more about my dads side. Colleen Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Unless "Sul" is Luz. Fenais da Luz but that's Sao Miguel island, not Graciosa. > > Did you DNA test and are you matching S.Miguel people or Graciosa people? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Unless "Sul" is Luz. Fenais da Luz but that's Sao Miguel island, not Graciosa. Did you DNA test and are you matching S.Miguel people or Graciosa people? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
Siblings would get different results. We get 50% of our DNA from dad and 50% from mom. A sibling would also get 50% of dad and 50% of mom. Who says it's the same 50%? Because the DNA is mixed (like a card shuffle), a sibling doesn't get the same 50% that we got. A good chunk of it is the same, but some of it is a bit different. Regarding matchings, siblings will have the same close matches. So if your 1st cousin tested, you should both match the 1st cousin. The difference shows up more in the distant matches (4th, 5th, remote). This is assuming we are talking about FULL SIBLINGS. And if there has been rumors in your family or a skeleton in the closet, DNA will let you know. So if you really don't want to know what grandma did, DON'T DNA test. Rick Pimentel is working with a DNA match where it seems someone went out to the cow pasture. Also, siblings will get different ethnicities. Rosemarie and her brother have both DNA tested. They are half Italian and half Portuguese. One seems to get more Italian matches and the other seems to get more Portuguese matches. It's good to have siblings test if it's in the budget. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Thanks for your suggestions. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel > wrote: > > Colleen, > > I would suggest you go to the Ellis Island website. Try looking up his name > in any number of variations with the ship name and date of arrival you can > always find the manifest by backing into it and then check the names one by > one. The manifest should also say where what island it departed from and then > go to the passport records which are on line at the CCA web site. Most people > emigrating applied for their passport within a month of departing so start > searching with the arrival date and work back a couple of months. > > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Epping, NH > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta > Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores > > > > From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:03 PM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place > > Are you sure its not Fayal or Faial. There several Fenais in the Azores. > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 4:46 PM, Steve Wright > wrote: > > > I finally found my grandfather, Francisco Sousa Rosa's, Declaration of Intent > for Naturalization in Boston, Massachusetts. > At least, I think it is him. Birthdate and name are correct. He has been > my brickwall for several years. > > Form was definitely completed by someone else because his signature does not > match writing on form. > > My question is for birthplace it is listed as Fenais, Azores. Has anyone > ever heard of Fenais? Also, on the form it states he immigrated to the > United States from Sul, Azores on the vessel da Maria and arrived at New York > harbor on Oct. 5th, 1899. Also, lists last residence as Said Fenais, Azores. > > Do you think person wrote what they thought they heard? He was 24 at time of > Declaration. > > My father always said he was from Graciosa. I'm not so sure because when > visiting Graciosa several years ago, I couldn't find anything. I have also > had Joao Ventura search to no avail. His wife Elvira Cunha was definitely > born there. Have fun most of her records. They married in Massachusetts. > > Thank you for any help with my brickwall. > > Colleen Wright > Researching: Rosa, Cunha from Graciosa and Machado Silva and Gonsalves from > Pico and Terceira. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Thanks Cheri, appreciate your help and this group. Colleen Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > The Dona Maria sailed into New York on Oct. 1, 1899. That must be your ship > and the date. > > However, that ship picked up people from all 3 Azorean ports before making it > to New York. However, you may be able to find him on Ancestry as only you > know your ancestor's birth date. The ships list will say sailed from Sao > Miguel and list those passengers for a few pages, then say Angra and list > those passengers and so on. So once you find your ancestor, then go to the > CCA and look there. > > If you don't have an Ancestry subscription, your local FHC and public library > have one. It is against Ancestry terms for anyone to look up the stuff for > you and publicly post it. > > Yeah, they wrote what they heard. My ancestor said she came on the Pensailor. > No ship ever existed by that name. I had the date and found the Peninsular. > Also, she said she immigrated under the name of Gloria Correia. She was 13 at > the time of immigration. 50 years later when she's filling out these forms > (well, she couldn't write) her memory as a bit different. And she was not the > one giving her name to the immigration officials. Her 16 year old sister was. > And her 16 year old sister liked using the family alcunha. Her paperwork for > the INS had a big stamp that said UNABLE TO VERIFY. Nope, they could not find > any Gloria Correia coming to New York on that date (but they did figure out > it was the Peninsular). Why would American INS workers in the 1950s even > think that Gloria Correia was the same person as Maria da Gloria Viola? > > Anyways, you're getting close! > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Definitely Fenais. Handwriting very clear. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 3, 2016, at 4:03 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy > wrote: > > Are you sure its not Fayal or Faial. There several Fenais in the Azores. > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 4:46 PM, Steve Wright > wrote: > > > I finally found my grandfather, Francisco Sousa Rosa's, Declaration of Intent > for Naturalization in Boston, Massachusetts. > At least, I think it is him. Birthdate and name are correct. He has been > my brickwall for several years. > > Form was definitely completed by someone else because his signature does not > match writing on form. > > My question is for birthplace it is listed as Fenais, Azores. Has anyone > ever heard of Fenais? Also, on the form it states he immigrated to the > United States from Sul, Azores on the vessel da Maria and arrived at New York > harbor on Oct. 5th, 1899. Also, lists last residence as Said Fenais, Azores. > > Do you think person wrote what they thought they heard? He was 24 at time of > Declaration. > > My father always said he was from Graciosa. I'm not so sure because when > visiting Graciosa several years ago, I couldn't find anything. I have also > had Joao Ventura search to no avail. His wife Elvira Cunha was definitely > born there. Have fun most of her records. They married in Massachusetts. > > Thank you for any help with my brickwall. > > Colleen Wright > Researching: Rosa, Cunha from Graciosa and Machado Silva and Gonsalves from > Pico and Terceira. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
One more question on this Family FInder test.if siblings, a brother and a sister, take the test would the results be the same. If not, how would they be different? "E" -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
The Dona Maria sailed into New York on Oct. 1, 1899. That must be your ship and the date. However, that ship picked up people from all 3 Azorean ports before making it to New York. However, you may be able to find him on Ancestry as only you know your ancestor's birth date. The ships list will say sailed from Sao Miguel and list those passengers for a few pages, then say Angra and list those passengers and so on. So once you find your ancestor, then go to the CCA and look there. If you don't have an Ancestry subscription, your local FHC and public library have one. It is against Ancestry terms for anyone to look up the stuff for you and publicly post it. Yeah, they wrote what they heard. My ancestor said she came on the Pensailor. No ship ever existed by that name. I had the date and found the Peninsular. Also, she said she immigrated under the name of Gloria Correia. She was 13 at the time of immigration. 50 years later when she's filling out these forms (well, she couldn't write) her memory as a bit different. And she was not the one giving her name to the immigration officials. Her 16 year old sister was. And her 16 year old sister liked using the family alcunha. Her paperwork for the INS had a big stamp that said UNABLE TO VERIFY. Nope, they could not find any Gloria Correia coming to New York on that date (but they did figure out it was the Peninsular). Why would American INS workers in the 1950s even think that Gloria Correia was the same person as Maria da Gloria Viola? Anyways, you're getting close! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Colleen, I would suggest you go to the Ellis Island website. Try looking up his name in any number of variations with the ship name and date of arrival you can always find the manifest by backing into it and then check the names one by one. The manifest should also say where what island it departed from and then go to the passport records which are on line at the CCA web site. Most people emigrating applied for their passport within a month of departing so start searching with the arrival date and work back a couple of months. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:03 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place Are you sure its not Fayal or Faial. There several Fenais in the Azores. On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 4:46 PM, Steve Wright wrote: I finally found my grandfather, Francisco Sousa Rosa's, Declaration of Intent for Naturalization in Boston, Massachusetts. At least, I think it is him. Birthdate and name are correct. He has been my brickwall for several years. Form was definitely completed by someone else because his signature does not match writing on form. My question is for birthplace it is listed as Fenais, Azores. Has anyone ever heard of Fenais? Also, on the form it states he immigrated to the United States from Sul, Azores on the vessel da Maria and arrived at New York harbor on Oct. 5th, 1899. Also, lists last residence as Said Fenais, Azores. Do you think person wrote what they thought they heard? He was 24 at time of Declaration. My father always said he was from Graciosa. I'm not so sure because when visiting Graciosa several years ago, I couldn't find anything. I have also had Joao Ventura search to no avail. His wife Elvira Cunha was definitely born there. Have fun most of her records. They married in Massachusetts. Thank you for any help with my brickwall. Colleen Wright Researching: Rosa, Cunha from Graciosa and Machado Silva and Gonsalves from Pico and Terceira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
Are you sure its not Fayal or Faial. There several Fenais in the Azores. On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 4:46 PM, Steve Wright wrote: I finally found my grandfather, Francisco Sousa Rosa's, Declaration of Intent for Naturalization in Boston, Massachusetts. At least, I think it is him. Birthdate and name are correct. He has been my brickwall for several years. Form was definitely completed by someone else because his signature does not match writing on form. My question is for birthplace it is listed as Fenais, Azores. Has anyone ever heard of Fenais? Also, on the form it states he immigrated to the United States from Sul, Azores on the vessel da Maria and arrived at New York harbor on Oct. 5th, 1899. Also, lists last residence as Said Fenais, Azores. Do you think person wrote what they thought they heard? He was 24 at time of Declaration. My father always said he was from Graciosa. I'm not so sure because when visiting Graciosa several years ago, I couldn't find anything. I have also had Joao Ventura search to no avail. His wife Elvira Cunha was definitely born there. Have fun most of her records. They married in Massachusetts. Thank you for any help with my brickwall. Colleen WrightResearching: Rosa, Cunha from Graciosa and Machado Silva and Gonsalves from Pico and Terceira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Thanks Margaret. I regarding the "va" at the end of the last name, Velha- oops- I didn't realize that was an abbreviation for widowed. Thanks for teaching me. Regarding Izabel- I will see if I can find another marriage of a Baltezar Gomez de Moira and IZABEL de Fontes. I thought I had found it. More digging.😁😁😁 Maria Elena > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Margaret Vicente > wrote: > > Sorry, ignore the "Francisca" part as it relates to something else I was > working on and I got it mixed up...sorry. > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Margaret Vicente >> wrote: >> Maria, I don't see how it would change from Pacheco de Leandres to Fontes as >> she seems to carry her Mother's name on this marriage record. Note also >> that the bride has two first names "Isabel Francisca" perhaps this is not >> the right couple? >> >> The marriage record itself inferred Baltazar was re-married. First it names >> the Groom's parents: Baltasar Gomes de Moura and Ana Velha. Secondly names >> the Godparents as the Groom's own father (seu pai) Baltazar Gomes the Moura >> and his wife Barbara Velha. >> >> Regarding the link for Ana Velha's obit, this is not the Groom's Mother >> because the record reads Ana Velha, viuva "widow" at time of her death, >> which is not the case here as Baltazar was still living >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: >>> Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this >>> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The >>> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as >>> Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name >>> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" >>> came from. >>> >>> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of >>> Izabel. >>> >>> >>> Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before >>> he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va >>> but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems strange. >>> Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that >>> went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. >>> Maybe I should keep looking. >>> >>> Top right: >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria Elena >>> >>> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) >>> > >>> > 16 June 1672 >>> > Balthezar Gomes Leandro >>> > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) >>> > SPOUSE >>> > Isabel Pacheco de Liam >>> > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) >>> > GODPARENTS >>> > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira >>> > >>> > Hope this helps a little bit >>> > Shirley in CA >>> > >>> > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" >>> > To: "AZORES" >>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM >>> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Help with names of parents? please? >>> > Bottom right hand >>> > >>> > Starting with the fifth line down. >>> > >>> > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html >>> > >>> > >>> > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife >>> > Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel >>> > Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- >>> > >>> > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de >>> > "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) >>> > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) >>> > >>> > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va >>> > (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure >>> > out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please >>> > help me with this? Thank you. >>> > >>> > Maria Elena >>> > >>> > -- >>> > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> > membership." >>> > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with a birth place
I finally found my grandfather, Francisco Sousa Rosa's, Declaration of Intent for Naturalization in Boston, Massachusetts. At least, I think it is him. Birthdate and name are correct. He has been my brickwall for several years. Form was definitely completed by someone else because his signature does not match writing on form. My question is for birthplace it is listed as Fenais, Azores. Has anyone ever heard of Fenais? Also, on the form it states he immigrated to the United States from Sul, Azores on the vessel da Maria and arrived at New York harbor on Oct. 5th, 1899. Also, lists last residence as Said Fenais, Azores. Do you think person wrote what they thought they heard? He was 24 at time of Declaration. My father always said he was from Graciosa. I'm not so sure because when visiting Graciosa several years ago, I couldn't find anything. I have also had Joao Ventura search to no avail. His wife Elvira Cunha was definitely born there. Have fun most of her records. They married in Massachusetts. Thank you for any help with my brickwall. Colleen Wright Researching: Rosa, Cunha from Graciosa and Machado Silva and Gonsalves from Pico and Terceira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
Thanks for your responseand yes, it would be wonderful if we could get that answer. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > If Joao Afonso (de Pimentel) "das Grotas Fundas" is who genealogists say > he is (son of the 3rd Count) then he would have been born in Spain, not in > Portugal. It would be nice if DNA technology could be put to use here to > determine if he does descend from the Counts. > > Best regards, > > John Miranda Raposo > > > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:38 PM, cathybourgeois1218 < > cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is a discrepancy as to where he was born. Was he born in Portugal > or Baesa, Galiza Spain? > > On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew > Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited. > > NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas > Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor > does he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of > Benevente. This claim is made by his grandson João Afonso, o Moço, of > Faial da Terra, where he died on 16.4.1577. On the cover of his will, in > an old script, it says that the said João Afonso, o Moço descendes from > the Condes de Benavente of Castile. > > > BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São > Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in > the last quarter of the 15th century" [*Familias** Antigas da Povoação**]*. > (It was also suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century [James > Guill]. "He settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São > Miguel, where he had a large family and house, by which he became > well-known on the island as João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The > origin of this João Afonso is wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his > 5th grandson [through a daughter of João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado > Leite, outlined his ancestry in a letter in which he wrote that his > mother was descended from João Afonso who, in turn, was the descendant of > the Counts of Benavente, of Spain. In truth, there are some nobiliaries > that refer to a son of the third Count of Benavente (there is a perfect > coincidence of dates), of the name João Afonso, who left Spain, and > disappears from history. The third Count of Benavente, Alonso de > Pimentel, also known as the Count of Mayorga, was married to Dona Maria de > Quinones y Toledo. The subsequent nobiliaries referred to their son João > Afonso de Pimentel [*Familias*]." No further details are given in *Genealogia > de los Condes y Duques de Benavente* (at the Madrid Library), however. [J. > Guill] This son would have been 60 to 70 years old when João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas made his will, His great-grea-greatr grandson, Father > Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, says that his 4th grandfather, > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a Count and exiled himself to > S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. > > > "The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the > Iberian peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at > the juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of > Leon, Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [ > *Familias*]." > > One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to > benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de > Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area > where João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do > Piedade, thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente. [*Familias*.] > > > > It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 > moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of > Gaspar de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the > residents of that town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's > population was growing too large to sustain itself on the number of wells > then available) [Alverne]. > > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest > settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. > (It was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to > Grotas Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a > motive to flee to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May > 1511. In it he made his oldest son, João Afonso, and his son's wife, > Catarina Manuel, the executors and ordered that a third of his lands be set > aside to produce a benefit of 1
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
You know how ideas are really good in theory but sometimes when we put them to practice, well, we run into obstacles? Joao Afonso Grotas Fundas...born mid to late 1400s, d. 1512. Work tracing ALL his sons forward for the past 550 years to wherever his descendants went: America, Canada, Brasil, Bermuda, Australia, etc. AND find a living son. That's a half a century of work! And do the same thing for the Count. Who are the sons of Joao Afonso of Grotas Fundas? Who are sons of the Count? Is someone on this list a strict line male descendant of those two men? Maybe. Are they sitting on the other side of the computer hiding out? I doubt it. If they are a strict line male descendant, they probably don't know it. Maybe it's Rick Pimentel. He's done a bunch of research, but he ran out of records way before the mid to late 1400s. Many people don't have their genealogy back to the 1400s because of the lack of records. And then we have this group of people - they either don't have an island or a freguesia yet and have not been able to search. Or maybe they have their island & freguesia but find reading the records intimidating and really haven't begun their research in the Azores. Maybe it's Peter Pimentel who lives in Omaha, Nebraska and is 1/16th Portuguese and doesn't do genealogy. (He's fictional, by-the-way). Maybe it's Mike Miller (also fictional) who lives in New England and whose family has been there forever, since Mayflower times. Or so he thinks. His surname is Miller and he assumes it is English and he assumes he goes back to the American colonial families. He doesn't know that Miller is an anglicization of Mello and that he's really Portuguese. His sister does all the genealogy by following the little green leaves on Ancestry and she thinks they are Mayflower descendants too. It would take a lot of work to trace the strict male lines forward. Not only for Joao Afonso, but William van der Haagen, Jose d'Utra, etc, etc. It would be wonderful to have the Y DNA of those prominent men of the Azores. And Gaspar Frutuoso too. But he was a priest and as far as we know, celibate. Did he have any brothers? So many good sample to get. Everyone should DNA test even if they are just beginning in genealogy. They may be that person that we are after and they just don't know it yet. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
I logged into someone who did Y only and was able to put Family Finder in the cart. Maybe you should call FTDNA? Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
Cheri, They have both done the Y male test so, yes, they have tested before. They have not had Family Finder done yet. I will try again. "E" On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Elaine, > > It's you. > > If you are trying to order a BRAND NEW KIT, you can't do it by logging > into YOUR page. > > Regarding your husband: Has he DNA tested before? If not, then just go to > www.ftdna.com and place the order. If he has tested with FTDNA, what > test(s) have you had done on him? > > Regarding the McNeal cousin: Has he DNA tested before? If not, then just > go to www.ftdna.com and place the order. If he has tested with FTDNA, > what test(s) have you had done on him? > > You won't be able to order Fam.Finder if these 2 men have already had that > test done. > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 7:59 AM, "E" Sharp wrote: > >> OK. I am still trying to order 2 $69 Family Finders. I sign in and I >> only get as far as clicking on the $69 then it goes to a red rolling >> something or other and keep going and nothing happens or I am still getting >> a blank page. This is in response to their email to me for this. Anyone >> else having problems?? >> >> "E" >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
Elaine, It's you. If you are trying to order a BRAND NEW KIT, you can't do it by logging into YOUR page. Regarding your husband: Has he DNA tested before? If not, then just go to www.ftdna.com and place the order. If he has tested with FTDNA, what test(s) have you had done on him? Regarding the McNeal cousin: Has he DNA tested before? If not, then just go to www.ftdna.com and place the order. If he has tested with FTDNA, what test(s) have you had done on him? You won't be able to order Fam.Finder if these 2 men have already had that test done. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 7:59 AM, "E" Sharp wrote: > OK. I am still trying to order 2 $69 Family Finders. I sign in and I > only get as far as clicking on the $69 then it goes to a red rolling > something or other and keep going and nothing happens or I am still getting > a blank page. This is in response to their email to me for this. Anyone > else having problems?? > > "E" > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
OK. I am still trying to order 2 $69 Family Finders. I sign in and I only get as far as clicking on the $69 then it goes to a red rolling something or other and keep going and nothing happens or I am still getting a blank page. This is in response to their email to me for this. Anyone else having problems?? "E" -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares
Just like Lawrence can be a first or last name in the English language, Lourenço can be a first or last name in Portuguese. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera married to Ana Julia Linhares
Thank you for all the information everyone is finding on this family. Are any of the siblings born in Sao Jose? Is there a rule with the surname Lourenço? Sometimes it is a surname sometimes it is a first name? There is a Lawrence family in Plymouth my mother was told were cousins of ours through the Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera family. I am starting to think this is not the case. I am supposed to interview the Lawrence family at some point which would help. Todd On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, brownat68 wrote: > > Hello > > Wondering if anyone has these people and their ancestors I their tree: > > > > *Lourenço Antonio Bonito Viera* married to *Ana Julia Linhares** (No > birth, marriage, or death dates unfortunately*) > > Children: *Luis Lourenço Bonito Viera,* Birth: 1857, Ribeira Quente, São > Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > Marriage to: Jacinta Cândida Júlia da Costa Carneiro, 14 Jan 1880, Ribeira > Quente, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal > > > I'd love to connect with you if you do. > > > Todd > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
Those of us that are descendants of João Afonso can all pitch in for a Y-DNA test. I remember someone posting information a year or so ago that a university was going to publish a paper about João Afonso (de Pimentel) das Grotas Fundas but nothing was brought forth. Todd On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew > Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited. > > NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas > Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor > does he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of > Benevente. This claim is made by his grandson João Afonso, o Moço, of > Faial da Terra, where he died on 16.4.1577. On the cover of his will, in > an old script, it says that the said João Afonso, o Moço descendes from > the Condes de Benavente of Castile. > > > BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São > Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in > the last quarter of the 15th century" [*Familias** Antigas da Povoação**]*. > (It was also suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century > [James > Guill]. "He settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São > Miguel, where he had a large family and house, by which he became > well-known on the island as João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The > origin of this João Afonso is wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his > 5th grandson [through a daughter of João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado > Leite, outlined his ancestry in a letter in which he wrote that his > mother was descended from João Afonso who, in turn, was the descendant of > the Counts of Benavente, of Spain. In truth, there are some nobiliaries > that refer to a son of the third Count of Benavente (there is a perfect > coincidence of dates), of the name João Afonso, who left Spain, and > disappears from history. The third Count of Benavente, Alonso de > Pimentel, also known as the Count of Mayorga, was married to Dona Maria de > Quinones y Toledo. The subsequent nobiliaries referred to their son João > Afonso de Pimentel [*Familias*]." No further details are given in *Genealogia > de los Condes y Duques de Benavente* (at the Madrid Library), however. [J. > Guill] This son would have been 60 to 70 years old when João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas made his will, His great-grea-greatr grandson, Father > Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, says that his 4th grandfather, > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a Count and exiled himself to > S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. > > > "The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the > Iberian peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at > the juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of > Leon, Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [ > *Familias*]." > > One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to > benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de > Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area > where João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do > Piedade, thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das > Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente. [*Familias*.] > > > > It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 > moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of > Gaspar de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the > residents of that town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's > population was growing too large to sustain itself on the number of wells > then available) [Alverne]. > > João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest > settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. > (It was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to > Grotas Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a > motive to flee to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May > 1511. In it he made his oldest son, João Afonso, and his son's wife, > Catarina Manuel, the executors and ordered that a third of his lands be set > aside to produce a benefit of 10,000 reis [system of money later replaced > by cruzeiros] for the purpose of having three masses said one week a year > in perpetuity; the first on Monday for his faith in God to be a blessing on > his soul; the second on Saturday in honor of the Peace of Christ and the > last one on Saturday in honor of "Nossa Senhora" with all her prayers [ > *Vida*]. > > [A
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale starts Wednesday, August 3
I am trying to order this for my husband and his McNeal cousin thus far when I try to purchase all I get is a blank page. It does list price as $69. Guess they are not ready yet??? "E" On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Wow, $69 that's fantastic!! Stock up people!! LOL > > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists) >> >> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) will be having their Sizzling Summer Sale. They >> will be emailing customers Wednesday, August 3rd, so I take that to mean >> the sale will start then. It is mostly bundled tests. The only test that >> will be on sale alone will be Family Finder for $69 USD instead of $99 USD >> (it's never been this low before and is below the cost of running the >> test). Also, we don't know when the sale is going to end. I guess when they >> see their profit margin shrinking too much. >> >> If you are an existing customer of FTDNA, log into your kit and order >> from your page. Others who have never ordered before go here (Join through >> one project and then add other projects later if you qualify (say you have >> both Madeira and Azores lines you can be in both projects, but just order >> through one project). >> >> Azores: https://goo.gl/V0dHk3 >> Madeira: https://goo.gl/XH3yEB >> Cape Verde: https://goo.gl/yJzNv1 >> Here is the pricing: >> >> >> *Retail Pricing in USD* >> >> *Sale Price* >> >> *Group Price* >> >> *Family Finder* >> >> *$99* >> >> *$69* >> >> *$69* >> >> *Y37 + Family Finder* >> >> *$268* >> >> *$228* >> >> *$218* >> >> *Y67 + Family Finder* >> >> *$367* >> >> *$327* >> >> *$317* >> >> *Comprehensive Genome (FF+Y67+FMS)* >> >> *$566* >> >> *$499* >> >> *$489* >> >> *FMS + Family Finder* >> >> *$298* >> >> *$258* >> *$258* >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
Dear direct paternal line descendant of Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas, We need your Y DNA tested to confirm a mystery and be able to make a huge breakthrough with one of the original settlers of the Azores. Of course we would then need to find a direct paternal descendant of his father, the Count of Benavente and do the exact same thing and determine if there is a Y DNA match, but even if that is years away, it would still be helpful. A bunch of us, myself included descend from this man and I'm dying to know if it's true that he is who we think he is, then we connect to Rainha Santa Isabel and some other VERY interesting people in history. http://www.vamosaic.com/2016/04/23/what-do-vietnam-coimbra-genealogy-dna-testing-azores-joao-afonso-das-grotas-fundas-rainha-santa-isabel-benavente-toledo-and-san-diego-have-in-common/ On Aug 3, 2016 7:45 AM, "Manita M" wrote: > This is exactly what we need in order to have scientific proof. Otherwise, > we will never know for sure. We NEED to figure this out. It's an > intriguing story that needs to be told and properly researched. > > Is there anyway that we could identify a direct male descendant of Joao > Afonso das GF? Then get the Y DNA done on that person? > > Is there anyone in this group that is on the direct paternal line to Joao > Afonso das GF? Please, please identify yourself and would you please do a Y > DNA test? If too cost prohibitive, I am sure a bunch of us would sponsor > that test for you, me included. > > On Jul 30, 2016 10:57 PM, "Cheri Mello" wrote: > >> Yes, we would need a strict line male descendant of Joao Afonso das >> Grotas Fundas (the male test taker must have the genealogy of his father's >> father's father's father back to Joao Afonso) AND we would need a man who >> was the son of the son of the son of the son of the Count of Benavente to >> compare to. They would both need a YDNA test. >> >> There could be people on this list that could be it, but their records >> don't go back far enough in their freguesia or they aren't back that far >> yet in time. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente
This is exactly what we need in order to have scientific proof. Otherwise, we will never know for sure. We NEED to figure this out. It's an intriguing story that needs to be told and properly researched. Is there anyway that we could identify a direct male descendant of Joao Afonso das GF? Then get the Y DNA done on that person? Is there anyone in this group that is on the direct paternal line to Joao Afonso das GF? Please, please identify yourself and would you please do a Y DNA test? If too cost prohibitive, I am sure a bunch of us would sponsor that test for you, me included. On Jul 30, 2016 10:57 PM, "Cheri Mello" wrote: > Yes, we would need a strict line male descendant of Joao Afonso das Grotas > Fundas (the male test taker must have the genealogy of his father's > father's father's father back to Joao Afonso) AND we would need a man who > was the son of the son of the son of the son of the Count of Benavente to > compare to. They would both need a YDNA test. > > There could be people on this list that could be it, but their records > don't go back far enough in their freguesia or they aren't back that far > yet in time. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
