date:20190525

Thank you both, that's what I thought. I was so hoping to have some
information online so I could link to her profile.

Leonor

On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 21:18, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Back in that time period it was a home for orphans and for children whose
> parents couldn't provide for them. In the latter case parents might visit
> on a Sunday, etc.
>
> In the 1970 and eighties, it was a residential treatment program for
> troubled children. After it closed the building was used for a pre-release
> program and a prison diversion program for incarcerated women with a
> history of substance abuse.
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019, 9:05:36 PM EDT, Leonor Bertoni <
> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This explains why she got married so early. She was 17, her husband 22. In
> the 1930 census she lived with her husband, young brother in law and her
> father in law, her mother in law had passed away. Chances are that she
> needed to take care of them all, so sad!
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:02 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the
> east coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of
> Welfare and Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care.
> Every state in America deals with the children somewhat differently today.
> In the past, they basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very
> sad.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
> protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
> children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
> issues the parents are having get revolved.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
> U.S. thing.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
> Society.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
> something like CAS?
>
> TIA.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

2019-05-25 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Back in that time period it was a home for orphans and for children whose
parents couldn't provide for them. In the latter case parents might visit on a
Sunday, etc.

In the 1970 and eighties, it was a residential treatment program for troubled
children. After it closed the building was used for a pre-release program and a
prison diversion program for incarcerated women with a history of substance
abuse.

John

On Saturday, May 25, 2019, 9:05:36 PM EDT, Leonor Bertoni
wrote:

This explains why she got married so early. She was 17, her husband 22. In the
1930 census she lived with her husband, young brother in law and her father in
law, her mother in law had passed away. Chances are that she needed to take
care of them all, so sad!
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:02 PM Cheri Mello wrote:

I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the east
coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of Welfare and
Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care. Every state in
America deals with the children somewhat differently today. In the past, they
basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very sad.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that protects
children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the children from their
home and place them in foster care until whatever issues the parents are having
get revolved.
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello wrote:

I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they got
too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on Orphan
Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western U.S. thing.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid Society.
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Hello all,I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived
there when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for
information but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else.
Does anyone have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents
couldn't care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
something like CAS?
TIA.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

This explains why she got married so early. She was 17, her husband 22. In
the 1930 census she lived with her husband, young brother in law and her
father in law, her mother in law had passed away. Chances are that she
needed to take care of them all, so sad!

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:02 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the
> east coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of
> Welfare and Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care.
> Every state in America deals with the children somewhat differently today.
> In the past, they basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very
> sad.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
>> protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
>> children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
>> issues the parents are having get revolved.
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
>>> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
>>> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
>>> U.S. thing.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
 Society.

 On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni <
 leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived
> there when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for
> information but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing 
> else.
> Does anyone have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose
> parents couldn't care for them but was it an adoption centre, just
> temporary care or something like CAS?
>
> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the east
coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of Welfare and
Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care. Every state
in America deals with the children somewhat differently today. In the past,
they basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very sad.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
> protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
> children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
> issues the parents are having get revolved.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
>> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
>> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
>> U.S. thing.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
>>> Society.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,
 I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
 when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
 but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
 have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
 care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
 something like CAS?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
issues the parents are having get revolved.

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
> U.S. thing.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
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>> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
>> Society.
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
>>> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
>>> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
>>> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
>>> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
>>> something like CAS?
>>>
>>> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference deadline is 2 months away

2019-05-25 Thread JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

Bob,

I’d take the Azores any day. Where wil you visit?   Luckily, I may make SLC
which thrills me.

Debbie

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>
> Maybe next time. When I negotiated with the hotel last fall, they didn't
> have the availability for our group until June. So that's the dates I had
> to pick. We try to have them about every 18 months or so, depending on the
> availability of the host hotel. This was to have been our spring one. So
> the next would be the late summer/early fall around late Aug/early Sept of
> 2020, depending on what is available at the Salt Lake Plaza Hotel. The
> announcement for the dates will be around Feb/March of next year. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
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>> Chero, had wanted to attend this year, but we will be in the Azores then.
>> Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
U.S. thing.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
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> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
> Society.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
>> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
>> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
>> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
>> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
>> something like CAS?
>>
>> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

Cheri, those search results are what I had seen before, just a couple of
pictures and a bunch of Ancestry message board posts of people asking if
anybody has any information.

On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 20:45, Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
> Society.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
>> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
>> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
>> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
>> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
>> something like CAS?
>>
>> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
Society.

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
> something like CAS?
>
> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa 1840 baptism.

I must have about 15-20 Mariannos in my database. It's not unusual where I
do my research, but less common.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:15 PM Maria Lima  wrote:

> Bill, I also agree with Mariano because if you go back and forth to see
> what the letters are that bleed through, you can sort of eliminate the dark
> letter P that's coming through.  Then, notice how the priest writes the
> letter M.  He has a little circle at the base of the M  almost like an o or
> e before he starts going up on the M.  (If that makes sense).
>
> I also have a Mariano in my husband's ancestry and it is unusual. Hope
> this helps you.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On May 24, 2019, at 10:44 PM, William Seidler  wrote:
>
> I am hoping someone can make out the child''s name.  The bleed through
> from the opposite page is too disruptive for me.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841_item1/P123.html
>  (top
> right)
>
> I can see that he is a son of my wife's ancestor Antonio Jose Cordeiro and
> his second wife Maria Joaquina.  Paternal grandparents Manuel Jose Cordeiro
> and Antonia and maternal of Francisco Nunes and Anna Maria.  He was born on
> 4 Oct 1840 and baptized on the 11th of the same month.  I just can't settle
> on the child's first name.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco dePimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

Thanks Margaret

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:26 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Terri,
>
>
>
> It’s good to do your own  search to verify but you will be searching in
> vain, if indeed this is the couple you are working on.  They only had 3
> children (Umbelina, Joao and Maria] plus one unborn child at the time of
> the father’s death.  Umbelina was already married by the time the parents
> were wed.
>
>
>
> Here’s the marriage record on the death bed of Joao Travassos and Josefa
> Mariana, right sight.  Look at the bottom where you will see the named
> children the couple had between them.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P115.html
>
>
>
> I have ancestors married at 12 and 13 years of age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Terri Santos 
> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 8:11 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco
> dePimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone for your points Now time to search
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:02 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
> Terri, also search for Maria's parents death records, to see if the number
> of children is mentioned.
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019
> à(s) 00:48:
>
> The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all
> the kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.
>
>
>
> I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
>
> This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the
> index.
>
> If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps
> this couple lived there too?
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Terri,
>
>
>
> Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna? You
> know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
>
> Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
> Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
>
>
>
>
> this is the death record for Maria
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
>
>
>
>
> Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years old
> at marriage..
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Terri,
>
>
>
> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao
> and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same day
> in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days of
> of the month of January of 1844.
>
>
>
> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on
> their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing
> them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this
> Parish pages 113….
>
>
>
> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…
>
>
>
> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>
>
>
> m
>
>
>
> *From: *Terri Santos 
> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
> Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>
>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She
> married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>
> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
> old at marriage.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco dePimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

2019-05-25 Thread Margaret Vicente

Terri, 

It’s good to do your own  search to verify but you will be searching in vain, 
if indeed this is the couple you are working on.  They only had 3 children 
(Umbelina, Joao and Maria] plus one unborn child at the time of the father’s 
death.  Umbelina was already married by the time the parents were wed.

Here’s the marriage record on the death bed of Joao Travassos and Josefa 
Mariana, right sight.  Look at the bottom where you will see the named children 
the couple had between them.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P115.html

I have ancestors married at 12 and 13 years of age.  



From: Terri Santos
Sent: May 25, 2019 8:11 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco 
dePimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

Thanks everyone for your points Now time to search

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:02 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Terri, also search for Maria's parents death records, to see if the number of 
children is mentioned.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019 à(s) 
00:48:
The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all the 
kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.

I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos  wrote:
This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the index.  
If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps this 
couple lived there too?

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
Terri,

Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna? You know 
every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos  wrote:
Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.  Here it 
mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
  

this is the death record for Maria
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
  

Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years old at 
marriage..


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Terri,
 
The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao and 
Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same day in 
Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days of of the 
month of January of 1844.  
 
The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on their 
father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing them and 
marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this Parish pages 113….
 
It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…
 
Record signed and dated June 11 1845
 
m
 
From: Terri Santos
Sent: May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de 
Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
 I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She 
married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.  
Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years old.  
That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years old at 
marriage.  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa 1840 baptism.

2019-05-25 Thread Maria Lima

Bill, I also agree with Mariano because if you go back and forth to see what 
the letters are that bleed through, you can sort of eliminate the dark letter P 
that's coming through.  Then, notice how the priest writes the letter M.  He 
has a little circle at the base of the M  almost like an o or e before he 
starts going up on the M.  (If that makes sense).  

I also have a Mariano in my husband's ancestry and it is unusual. Hope this 
helps you.  

Maria Elena 

> On May 24, 2019, at 10:44 PM, William Seidler  wrote:
> 
> I am hoping someone can make out the child''s name.  The bleed through from 
> the opposite page is too disruptive for me.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841_item1/P123.html
>  (top right)
> 
> I can see that he is a son of my wife's ancestor Antonio Jose Cordeiro and 
> his second wife Maria Joaquina.  Paternal grandparents Manuel Jose Cordeiro 
> and Antonia and maternal of Francisco Nunes and Anna Maria.  He was born on 4 
> Oct 1840 and baptized on the 11th of the same month.  I just can't settle on 
> the child's first name.
> 
> Thank you,
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

Thanks everyone for your points Now time to search

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:02 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Terri, also search for Maria's parents death records, to see if the number
> of children is mentioned.
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019
> à(s) 00:48:
>
>> The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all
>> the kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.
>>
>> I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the
>>> index.
>>> If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps
>>> this couple lived there too?
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Terri,

 Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna?
 You know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL


 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
 wrote:

> Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
> Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
>
>
> this is the death record for Maria
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
>
>
> Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years
> old at marriage..
> 
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Terri,
>>
>>
>>
>> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the
>> Joao and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834
>> baptized same day in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de 
>> Ponta
>> Delgada … days of of the month of January of 1844.
>>
>>
>>
>> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto
>> children on their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his 
>> death
>> recognizing them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 
>> 8
>> of this Parish pages 113….
>>
>>
>>
>> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own
>> children…
>>
>>
>>
>> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>>
>>
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Terri Santos 
>> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco
>> de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>>
>> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>>
>>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
>> She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>>
>> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53
>> years old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11
>> years old at marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

2019-05-25 Thread Ângela Loura

Terri, also search for Maria's parents death records, to see if the number
of children is mentioned.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019 à(s)
00:48:

> The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all
> the kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.
>
> I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
>
>> This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the
>> index.
>> If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps
>> this couple lived there too?
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Terri,
>>>
>>> Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna?
>>> You know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
 Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html


 this is the death record for Maria

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html


 Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years
 old at marriage..
 

 On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
 margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Terri,
>
>
>
> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the
> Joao and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized
> same day in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada 
> …
> days of of the month of January of 1844.
>
>
>
> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children
> on their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death
> recognizing them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8
> of this Parish pages 113….
>
>
>
> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own
> children…
>
>
>
> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>
>
>
> m
>
>
>
> *From: *Terri Santos 
> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
> Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>
>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
> She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>
> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53
> years old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11
> years old at marriage.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all the
kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.

I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos 
wrote:

> This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the
> index.
> If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps
> this couple lived there too?
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Terri,
>>
>> Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna?
>> You know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
>>> Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
>>>
>>>
>>> this is the death record for Maria
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years
>>> old at marriage..
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Terri,

 The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the
 Joao and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized
 same day in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada …
 days of of the month of January of 1844.

 The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children
 on their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death
 recognizing them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8
 of this Parish pages 113….

 It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…

 Record signed and dated June 11 1845

 m

 *From: *Terri Santos 
 *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
 *To: *Azores Genealogy 
 *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
 Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html

 On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:

  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
 She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.

 Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
 old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
 old at marriage.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the
index.
If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps
this couple lived there too?

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Terri,
>
> Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna? You
> know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
>> Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
>>
>>
>> this is the death record for Maria
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
>>
>>
>> Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years
>> old at marriage..
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Terri,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao
>>> and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same
>>> day in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days
>>> of of the month of January of 1844.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children
>>> on their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death
>>> recognizing them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8
>>> of this Parish pages 113….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Terri Santos 
>>> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
>>> Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>>>
>>>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
>>> She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>>>
>>> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
>>> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
>>> old at marriage.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

What is CAS? Depending on where you live, acronyms can have so many
meanings. It's always best to take your time and spell these things out to
avoid confusion.

Using quotes in a search is helpful. I did "st mary's home" "new bedford"
just like that:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=%22st+mary%27s+home%22+%22new+bedford%22

It appears it was an orphanage.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
> something like CAS?
>
> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

Terri,

Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna? You
know every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos 
wrote:

> Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.
> Here it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
>
>
> this is the death record for Maria
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
>
>
> Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years old
> at marriage..
> 
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Terri,
>>
>>
>>
>> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao
>> and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same
>> day in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days
>> of of the month of January of 1844.
>>
>>
>>
>> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on
>> their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing
>> them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this
>> Parish pages 113….
>>
>>
>>
>> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…
>>
>>
>>
>> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>>
>>
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Terri Santos 
>> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
>> Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>>
>> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>>
>>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She
>> married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>>
>> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
>> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
>> old at marriage.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

Hello all,
I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there 
when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information 
but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone 
have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't 
care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or 
something like CAS?

TIA.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.  Here
it mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html


this is the death record for Maria
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html


Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years old
at marriage..


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Terri,
>
>
>
> The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao
> and Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same day
> in Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days of
> of the month of January of 1844.
>
>
>
> The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on
> their father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing
> them and marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this
> Parish pages 113….
>
>
>
> It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…
>
>
>
> Record signed and dated June 11 1845
>
>
>
> m
>
>
>
> *From: *Terri Santos 
> *Sent: *May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de
> Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>
>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She
> married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>
> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
> old at marriage.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa 1840 baptism.

2019-05-25 Thread Walt Teixeira

I would agree with Cheri - Marianno.  A bit unusual but that is what it 
looks like.

On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 10:44:56 PM UTC-5, William Seidler wrote:
>
> I am hoping someone can make out the child''s name.  The bleed through 
> from the opposite page is too disruptive for me.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841_item1/P123.html
>  (top 
> right)
>
> I can see that he is a son of my wife's ancestor Antonio Jose Cordeiro and 
> his second wife Maria Joaquina.  Paternal grandparents Manuel Jose Cordeiro 
> and Antonia and maternal of Francisco Nunes and Anna Maria.  He was born on 
> 4 Oct 1840 and baptized on the 11th of the same month.  I just can't settle 
> on the child's first name.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference deadline is 2 months away

Hi Bob L,

Maybe next time. When I negotiated with the hotel last fall, they didn't
have the availability for our group until June. So that's the dates I had
to pick. We try to have them about every 18 months or so, depending on the
availability of the host hotel. This was to have been our spring one. So
the next would be the late summer/early fall around late Aug/early Sept of
2020, depending on what is available at the Salt Lake Plaza Hotel. The
announcement for the dates will be around Feb/March of next year. Cheri
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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> Chero, had wanted to attend this year, but we will be in the Azores then.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference deadline is 2 months away

2019-05-25 Thread rml...@gmail.com

Chero, had wanted to attend this year, but we will be in the Azores then.
Bob

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

2019-05-25 Thread Margaret Vicente

Terri,

The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao and 
Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same day in 
Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days of of the 
month of January of 1844.  

The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on their 
father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing them and 
marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this Parish pages 113….

It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…

Record signed and dated June 11 1845

m

From: Terri Santos
Sent: May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de 
Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
 I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She 
married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.  
Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years old.  
That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years old at 
marriage.  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel) S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

2019-05-25 Thread Ângela Loura

Hi Terri,

What makes you assume that this exposta is the Maria de Jesus you are
looking for?
My guess is, either you found diferent Marias, or her death records that
she was 53 years old, «pouco mais ou menos», meaning she could be older
than 53.

Please post the marriage and death record as Cheri asked, so we can take
better conclusions to help you.



Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sábado, 25/05/2019 à(s)
18:15:

> I think you should post her death and marriage records. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:06 AM Terri Santos 
> wrote:
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>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>>
>> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>>>
>>>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.
>>> She married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>>> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
>>> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
>>> old at marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel) S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

I think you should post her death and marriage records. Cheri
Cheri Mello
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On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:06 AM Terri Santos 
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>>
>>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She
>> married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.
>> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years
>> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years
>> old at marriage.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel) S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
>
>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She 
> married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.  
> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years 
> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years 
> old at marriage.  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel) S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

OOPS...Pressed post too quick and I wasn`t done writing
In the baptism record I found below i found that she was from Sao Sebastiao 
in Ponta Delgada along with a brother Joao. But both children were baptised 
in different places I think.
Can anyone share some clarity to what might be going on here.
Thanks
Terri Santos

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
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>  I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She 
> married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.  
> Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years 
> old.  That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years 
> old at marriage.  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel) S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?