RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for grandma Cabral, Lagoa Sao Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Olivia,
I have in my database a Maria Filomena de Andrade (b. 17 Jan 1869, bapt. 20 
Jan, Rosario, Lagoa) daughter of Jose Cabral and  Maria Ricarda do Rego Coelho 
who married a Francisco Garcia de Andrade in Providence, RI 18 Apr1900.
I have nothing else, but at least I think that now you have her name.
Would appreciate any information you mighht want to share on the chidren b. 
1900-1908.
Many thanks.
Hermano

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Sent: March 30, 2017 2:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for grandma Cabral, Lagoa Sao Miguel

Olivia,

The whole reason I'm against people stating the relationship of their ancestors 
is: 1) That's your special name for her. Only a select group of people get to 
call her grandma (or the select group that get to call dad "dad" or mom 
"mom."). 2) Also, that's strictly the relationship to you. She could be 
someone's aunt, 1st cousin once removed, etc. We can't look up "grandma" in our 
genealogy programs. Or 1st cousin once removed. We can run reports and find all 
the grandchildren or 1st cousins, but we can't look them up that way.

You need to create a paper trail for her in the United States. That should 
cover "immigration, etc." So follow the suggestions listed in this how-to: 
https://goo.gl/vOijK0

However, you won't be able to search by "grandma." You have to use her real 
name.
Good luck,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Olivia 
> wrote:
Born January 17 1869 in Lagoa she married Francisco Garcia Andrade from Fayal 
Azores on April 18, 1900 in Providence RI. They had 4 children in RI then in 
1908-1909 returned to Fayal. Her parents were Jose Cabral and Maria Ricarda do 
Rego Coelho. Would appreciate any info as I have been able to find nothing. I 
have found her baptismal record but would like to know when she immigrated etc.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Hermano C. Pires]

Maria,
Second line, far right, the word looks very much like Lusia (Luzia).
Hermano

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Sent: February 22, 2017 11:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

Maria,
I've never seen this before in any of my records. Every one looks like Menina 
to me which means a girl child!

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Maria Lima 
> wrote:

LEFT SIDE  - the LAST ONE

I thought it was Maria at first but there's another Maria on the right page and 
also one above this one and the M is different.  Also, the 'r's look different. 
 The first letter could also be an "N"?  Or a "V".

Any help would be great!  Thank you.


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P99.html

Maria Elena

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of recolhida no reconhecimento"

[Hermano C. Pires]

Maria,
"recolida no recilhimento" could mean that she died in the care facility of the 
Convent of N. S. da Conceicao, because it say that she was laid to test under 
the choir(the last two obits on the left).
Hope that helps.
Hermano

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Sent: October 19, 2016 8:59 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of recolhida no reconhecimento"

I looked on google translate and it has to do with " retirement". So I don't 
know how this relates to people in 1745 or so.  I seen this a lot now and 
decided to ask if anyone knows something about these "retirement homes".  (?). 
Thanks

2 on the left

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-O-1701-1753/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-O-1701-1753_item1/P191.html

Maria Elena

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sandra,
OOps, too quick.
I didn't answer all your question!
Lourenco is my 1st cousin 8 times removed (FTM)
Thanks for the obit dates. If and/or when I find more children I will post.
Hermano

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Sent: September 18, 2016 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

Hermano,

I only have three children for them ending in 1763.  All born in Rosto de Cao, 
Sao Roque.  However, Lourenco died 17 Jan 1775 p.116.
Barbara (my 5th great-grand aunt) died 5 Feb 1792 p.16.  They may have had 
other children elsewhere.  Are these your ancestors?
Lourenco and Barbara died in Rosto de Cao.  Thank you.

Manoel bottom right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P85.html

Maria bottom right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P112.html

Antonia bottom right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P172.html


On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Hermano C. Pires 
<lagoe...@hotmail.com<mailto:lagoe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Sandra
The records for Santa Cruz for that period are not that great, but They had at 
least four more children there, wich is found in Ernesto do Canto's marriages.

Maria   ??? nf
Josefa 21 Aug 1702, b 25 Aug 1702
N. 27 Sep 1704, b 1 Oct 1704
Silvestre 31 Dec 1710 b 6 Jan 1711
Lourenco 6 Aug 1715, b 10 Aug 1715
They may have had others that I am not aware of.
Hope that helps.

Do you have children for Loutenco?

God Bless.
Hermano

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Sent: September 17, 2016 9:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

Thank you

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:10 PM, mances 
<man...@gmail.com<mailto:man...@gmail.com><mailto:man...@gmail.com<mailto:man...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
Sandra,

Maria de Sousa was from Água de Pau. Maybe you will find them there.

Manoel


Em sexta-feira, 16 de setembro de 2016 18:36:14 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
Does anyone have Lourenco do Rego Baldaia?

Lourenco b.6 Aug 1715 Santa Cruz, Lagoa fo Manoel do Rego Baldaia e Maria de
Sousa padrinho: Joam de Medeiros fo Joam de Medeiros e Maria Roiz.

Lourenco married Barbara do Conciecao Pereira on 15 May 1758 in Rosto de Cao,
Sao Roque.

I have not found siblings for him in Santa Cruz.  I believe he may be connected 
to
the do Rego Baldaias of Sao Roque.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sandra,
Fially got to this, thank you very much!
God Bless.
Hermano

From: azores@googlegroups.com [azores@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Sandra 
Perez [perezsandra...@gmail.com]
Sent: September 18, 2016 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

Hermano,

I only have three children for them ending in 1763.  All born in Rosto de Cao, 
Sao Roque.  However, Lourenco died 17 Jan 1775 p.116.
Barbara (my 5th great-grand aunt) died 5 Feb 1792 p.16.  They may have had 
other children elsewhere.  Are these your ancestors?
Lourenco and Barbara died in Rosto de Cao.  Thank you.

Manoel bottom right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P85.html

Maria bottom right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P112.html

Antonia bottom right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P172.html


On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Hermano C. Pires 
<lagoe...@hotmail.com<mailto:lagoe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Sandra
The records for Santa Cruz for that period are not that great, but They had at 
least four more children there, wich is found in Ernesto do Canto's marriages.

Maria   ??? nf
Josefa 21 Aug 1702, b 25 Aug 1702
N. 27 Sep 1704, b 1 Oct 1704
Silvestre 31 Dec 1710 b 6 Jan 1711
Lourenco 6 Aug 1715, b 10 Aug 1715
They may have had others that I am not aware of.
Hope that helps.

Do you have children for Loutenco?

God Bless.
Hermano

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Sent: September 17, 2016 9:07 PM
To: Azores Genealogy Google Group
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

Thank you

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:10 PM, mances 
<man...@gmail.com<mailto:man...@gmail.com><mailto:man...@gmail.com<mailto:man...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
Sandra,

Maria de Sousa was from Água de Pau. Maybe you will find them there.

Manoel


Em sexta-feira, 16 de setembro de 2016 18:36:14 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
Does anyone have Lourenco do Rego Baldaia?

Lourenco b.6 Aug 1715 Santa Cruz, Lagoa fo Manoel do Rego Baldaia e Maria de
Sousa padrinho: Joam de Medeiros fo Joam de Medeiros e Maria Roiz.

Lourenco married Barbara do Conciecao Pereira on 15 May 1758 in Rosto de Cao,
Sao Roque.

I have not found siblings for him in Santa Cruz.  I believe he may be connected 
to
the do Rego Baldaias of Sao Roque.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sandra
The records for Santa Cruz for that period are not that great, but They had at 
least four more children there, wich is found in Ernesto do Canto's marriages.

Maria   ??? nf
Josefa 21 Aug 1702, b 25 Aug 1702
N. 27 Sep 1704, b 1 Oct 1704
Silvestre 31 Dec 1710 b 6 Jan 1711
Lourenco 6 Aug 1715, b 10 Aug 1715
They may have had others that I am not aware of.
Hope that helps.

Do you have children for Loutenco?

God Bless.
Hermano

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Sent: September 17, 2016 9:07 PM
To: Azores Genealogy Google Group
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lourenco DO REGO BALDAIA

Thank you

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:10 PM, mances 
> wrote:
Sandra,

Maria de Sousa was from Água de Pau. Maybe you will find them there.

Manoel


Em sexta-feira, 16 de setembro de 2016 18:36:14 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
Does anyone have Lourenco do Rego Baldaia?

Lourenco b.6 Aug 1715 Santa Cruz, Lagoa fo Manoel do Rego Baldaia e Maria de
Sousa padrinho: Joam de Medeiros fo Joam de Medeiros e Maria Roiz.

Lourenco married Barbara do Conciecao Pereira on 15 May 1758 in Rosto de Cao,
Sao Roque.

I have not found siblings for him in Santa Cruz.  I believe he may be connected 
to
the do Rego Baldaias of Sao Roque.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Relevant book & website

[Hermano C. Pires]

Thanks for posting your web site.
Interesting historical photos (before my time !!  :)  )
ermano
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Relevant book & website

What is the title of your book ? George M.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Lew White 
> wrote:

My family started emigrating from the Azores in the 1870's, finding their way 
to Falmouth, Mass where they were one of the founding families for a local Holy 
Ghost Society.  My interest in family genealogy made me curious about why they 
emigrated at all and why they ended up in Falmouth. It led to a book I 
self-published in 2012 that may be of interest to some of this group because of 
its unorthodox perspectives.  Of more interest, perhaps is a collection of turn 
of the century (19th/20th) postcards on my website 
amerazor.com.

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Researching the Azores Islands
Sao Miguel : Achada, Fenais da Ajuda (Fenais da Vera Cruz), Lomba da Mia, 
Povoacoa, and Salga; Pico: Candelaria

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rainha Santa Isabel connection to Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas

[Hermano C. Pires]

Thanks for the interestng post!
Hermano
 
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 15:28:52 -0700
> From: manita.morg...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rainha Santa Isabel connection to Joao Afonso das 
> Grotas Fundas
> 
> Hello my fellow Azorean genealogy researchers! 
> 
> This is my story of how I discovered my connection to Rainha Santa Isabel. 
> Perhaps you're connected to her too? 
> 
> The perfect audience for this blog post is newbies to Azorean genealogy 
> research.  It's also a beautiful story of how interconnected we all are. 
> 
> 
> http://www.vamosaic.com/2016/04/23/what-do-vietnam-coimbra-genealogy-dna-testing-azores-joao-afonso-das-grotas-fundas-rainha-santa-isabel-benavente-toledo-and-san-diego-have-in-common/
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sandra, Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo, m. 20 Sep 1593, Sta. Cruz. 
(9th G-G).  Ana Fragoso and Francisco Pereira, m. 5 Aug `632, Sta. Cruz (8th 
G-G)
I have been occupied elsewhere, so That is the end of the line for now!
 
From: perezsandra...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:57:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & 
Catarina Lopes?
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano, Pedro's father was Miguel. Who are your 8th g-grandparents from that 
line?  Pedro's birth--top.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/P68.html



On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Hermano C. Pires <lagoe...@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hello Sandra.
 
Ernesto do Canto  has the following info for this couple:
 
Pedro Fernandes, son of ? Fernandes and Margarida Rodrigues with Catarina ?, 
daughter of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes (my 8th G-uncles).
Hope that helps.
Hermano

 
From: perezsandra...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:22:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & 
Catarina Lopes?
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Philippe GARNIER 
<mauxcroisesdesa...@gmail.com> wrote:
The 1st witness is probably Francisco Lopes Moniz, and the last Vicente 
Rodrigues.Perhaps, the name of the spouse is probably Catarna de Azevedo.

Abs
Philippe GarnierParis - France

Le samedi 16 avril 2016 20:26:59 UTC+2, Sandra Perez a écrit :Found: Nov or Dec 
1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario 
Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e Isabel? ?--top.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Sandra.
 
Ernesto do Canto  has the following info for this couple:
 
Pedro Fernandes, son of ? Fernandes and Margarida Rodrigues with Catarina ?, 
daughter of Dionisio Fragoso and Isabel Lopes (my 8th G-uncles).
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
From: perezsandra...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:22:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & 
Catarina Lopes?
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Philippe GARNIER 
 wrote:
The 1st witness is probably Francisco Lopes Moniz, and the last Vicente 
Rodrigues.Perhaps, the name of the spouse is probably Catarna de Azevedo.

Abs
Philippe GarnierParis - France

Le samedi 16 avril 2016 20:26:59 UTC+2, Sandra Perez a écrit :Found: Nov or Dec 
1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario 
Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e Isabel? ?--top.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's parents please.

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sandra.
I believe that you have it right!
Hermano
 
From: perezsandra...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:52:45 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's parents please.
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10 Jun 1656 Nicolau de Sousa fo Francisco Lopes Ribeiro e Ana de Sousa married 
Maria Henriques fa Jacinto? de Sousa? e Margarida Ferreira--top left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P118.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

[Hermano C. Pires]

Howard.
I haven't done very much genealogical research on Pico but if you think that I 
can be of help you can contact me privately at lagoe...@hotmail.com or at 
604-985-5213.
If by phone leave a message becuse if you don't I will not be returning your 
call.
A very Happy Easter to you!
God Bless.
Hermano  
 
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:42:58 -0700
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> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread
> 
> Hi Hermano
> I tried phoning you the other day but you weren't home.
> I'm trying to help out a friend with their family research on Pico,Azores.
> Could you contact me so we could email privately?
> Howard
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

[Hermano C. Pires]

Amen to that!
A Happy Easter to the whole group.
Hermano
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:05:57 +








Happy Easter to all of you. You're the best extended family a person could ask 
for!





Nancy Jean











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Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 7:47 AM

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread
 



A blessed Easter to all you wonderful people.  



"E"



On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy
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Happy Easter to everyone.  May you have a wonderful Easter filled with family, 
friends, love, and allot of laughter.



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Happy Easter/Feliz Pascoa to all!




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

[Hermano C. Pires]

Before this date he had been in the U. S.
Hermano
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:08:07 -0800
From: menesesli...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.


Here's the link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html


Here's one way to add links (if you're using a PC-- Apple products might differ 
a bit):

Position your cursor at the beginning of the site/page address in your web 
browser.
Left click, hold and drag your mouse to the end of the address. When you let go 
of the mouse button, the text should remain highlighted.
Move the cursor over the highlighted text and right click on it.
Choose "Copy" from the menu that pops up.
Change to the page or document (or wherever) and position your cursor where you 
want the copy to go
Right click the mouse and choose "Paste"

That's it!  Easy-peasy :)

It looks to me like the record is stating that the bride fulfilled her Lenten 
obligations there, but the groom was given dispensation because he was in the 
USA.

Linda

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 5:14:20 PM UTC-8, nancy jean baptiste wrote:






Greetings all,





I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?





Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista









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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Give me time to take a deep breath and I will send it to you privately.
I will not be long.
Hermano
 
From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:07:51 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano, 
I would love to see your information on Dionisio's and Catarina's other 
children. I believe we established before that we have José de Frias Bode as a 
common ancestor. I'm wondering whether Ana's line connects with Domingos's 
further down. Many thanks.
Nancy

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On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:50 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hermano,
I am interested in the information you have on their children.
Manoel

Em sábado, 23 de janeiro de 2016 23:49:51 UTC-2, Hermano C. Pires  escreveu:


Manuel and Nancy
We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
Thank you both for confirming my info.
Hermano

 
From: nvcou...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
To: azo...@googlegroups.com

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
Nancy

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On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 
1593 are my ancestors too.I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married 
Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara  escreveu:Lagoa:  
Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  <danan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?

From: "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com>
To: "azores" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:Thanks 
Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marryin

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Manuel and Nancy
We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
Thank you both for confirming my info.
Hermano
 
From: nvcouto...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
Nancy

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Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 
1593 are my ancestors too.I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married 
Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara  escreveu:Lagoa:  
Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,   wrote:
Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?

From: "Margaret Vicente" 
To: "azores" 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:Thanks 
Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage separation?

[Hermano C. Pires]

Mark.
You are right the father is not named, and the mother was married but seprated 
from her husband.
Hermano
 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:46:01 -0800
From: markamaran...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage separation?

Hello,
Can anyone take a look at this record and let me know what you think:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889_item1/P172.html


It is a baptism record for a Maria (entry # 39) that doesn't list her father or 
say exposto or pai incognito. I can make out what looks like seperada (9th 
line). Does this mean the parents were seperated? 
I have about four other baptism records for the same couple that showed they 
were the parents of exposto children and in all theses records, the wife 
(Emilia de Jesus) was always listed on the record first,  then it said casada ? 
Rufino da Camara. Maybethis record just doesn't mention him this time but what 
is with the "seperada"?
This record doesn't mention him at all. Could they have been seperated? I don't 
see any words that can mean dead or buried. I don't think I've heard of couples 
being separated back then in the Azores. I'm sure it's possible but I have just 
never come across it.

As a side note, of the 4 records for exposto children I believe Emilia and 
Rufino took in, 3 of them have their names smudged or erased from the index 
pages of these books. Was that done on purpose to protect them later on in 
life? I know from my limited research into Azores genealogy that the "tag" of 
Exposto or pai incognito usually followed a person with them into most other 
records like passports, marriage, death. Why try to erase their status from the 
indices of these books?

Any advice or suggestions anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. I 
don't think enough credit is given to many of the group members who help others 
with translations or advice on many different topics. I know I for one wouldn't 
get far in my research with out the help the members provide so thanks for that.






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[Hermano C. Pires]

A Blessed and Merry Christmas to all ancestor chasers, may all your searches be 
succesful! 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 03:55:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS!
From: joe.mudd...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Merry Christmas everyone!!
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
Merry Xmas everyone hope you have safe Holidays!!
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Edna Epps  wrote:
Wishing each of you a very Merry Christmas and hope we all get breakthroughs in 
our Portuguese lines in 2016!   A special thanks to Cheri for all the help and 
patience she has had with me and my lack of technical skills.♥Edna Lemos Epps
dave-e...@comcast.net " The Lord bless you and keep you; The Lord make His face 
shine upon you, And be gracious to you." (Numbers 6:24-25) 








On Dec 21, 2015, at 7:42 AM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy 
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Special thanks to Cheri and JR without whom I wouldn't have a Portuguese 
Ancestry. God bless all the little helpers on this list and lets make 2016 even 
better for others who are working on their Portuguese ancestry!

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 9:02:50 AM UTC-8, dvc...@gmail.com wrote:A very 
Merry Christmas to each and every one of you on the Azores Group!!  

You are an exceptional group of people who are more than willing to help 
others.  

May God Bless you and your families.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Dave




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

[Hermano C. Pires]

Helo Erica
I read Margarida Ledesma.
Hermano
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela 
de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:58 -0800

I am having trouble with the second name of the groom’s mother in this marriage 
record – bottom 
entryhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html
 I read Pedro Almeida son of Joao Almeida Mascarenhas and his wife Margarida 
___ of Fenais ?Ajuda? Thank you for any suggestions/guesses!Erica Botelho




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Ferreira De Couto (born abt. 1920 in Acores/Azores, Portugal and died accidently either in 1956 or 57 in Montreal, Canada)

[Hermano C. Pires]

Kelley O'Rourke,
 
I believe that the link below might be of help (if not, you can reach me at 
lagoe...@hotmail.com).
I would appreciate any information that Connie may have because her parents are 
my distant (12th cousins).
http://mea.cm-ribeiragrande.pt/index.php?p=p=fe=Jose%20Ferreira%20do%20Couto=todas=2=pesquisa=397
 
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:52:30 -0700
From: julio...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Ferreira De Couto (born abt. 1920 in 
Acores/Azores, Portugal and died accidently either in 1956 or 57 in Montreal, 
Canada)

Bom dia
Encontrei, José Ferreira do Couto, Junior era da Ribeira Seca da Ribeira grande
José ferreira do Couto (27 anos)  filho de José Ferreira do Couto e Maria 
Hortencia, casou a 17-12-1947 e Urânia Teixeira Medeiros - (21 anos) Filha de 
Manuel Francisco de Medeiros e Lucinda de Melo Teixeira ou Melo Tavares 
(casados a 15-05-1922)
Jose Ferreira do Couto 25 anos Filho de António Ferreira do Couto e Maria da 
Conceição e Maria Hortencia 22 anos filha de Manuel Caetano e Maria Julia 
Casaram a 27-10-1902 na Riberia Seca da Ribeira Grande


quinta-feira, 10 de Setembro de 2015 às 05:15:51 UTC, Kelley O'Rourke escreveu:I
am helping Connie Couto search for her father, Jose Ferreira De Couto, who came
to Montreal, Canada in March 1954 from Acores/Azores by ship (Sao Miguel) to 
work on a farm.  According to Connie, he came with a friend
(she cannot remember his friend’s name) and was on the first of two ships that
came to Canada.  He was one of the first of a group of Portuguese
immigrants to leave Acores/Azores.

 

The
plan was, that he was to come to Montreal, Canada, work on a farm, set up a
home and then send for his wife, Erania Mediros De Couto who would follow with
their two daughters.  Sadly, he was killed in a hit and run accident
either in August of 1956 or 1957.  Subsequently his wife never made the
trip either (she died in a car accident in Acores/Azores and is buried there) 
but his
two daughters, Esrisanto and Connie emigrated in 1965 with their aunt.

 

They
never found out where he was buried or what really happened to him.  They know 
it was in Montreal but do
not know where.  Connie (she is now 62) is the only remaining living
family member and would love to know what really happened to her father, Jose
and where he is buried in Montreal so she may visit his grave.  She would like 
to know as much about his
(short-lived) life here in Canada.  She now resides in Toronto with her
family.

 

Any
pictures or information you could provide would be most welcome.

 

Sincerely,

 

Kelley
O’Rourke, 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Domingos Furtado m. Maria de Rezendes, 1751, NS da Estrela, R.Grande, S.Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Cheri
Looks like Estacio.
Hermano
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Domingos Furtado m. Maria de Rezendes, 1751, NS 
da Estrela, R.Grande, S.Miguel
From: jude2...@msn.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:16:08 -0400
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Cheri, Domingos Furtado and Maria de Resendes are my 5th great grandparents.  
Are they your family too?Judi

Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

The marriage for Domingos Furtado, marrying Maria de Rezendes in 1751 in Nossa 
Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel island:

Right side, 7th line from the bottom, the father of the bride is __ da Sylva
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1736-1751/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1736-1751_item1/P237.html

Thanks!
Cheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obituary Translation Help

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Eddie
The link you posted is for weddings, not obituaries.
Hermano
 
 
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 19:48:49 -0700
From: avidedito...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obituary Translation Help

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1860-1869/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1860-1869_item1/P11.html

I know this is a son that was born of my 2x great grandparents, but I cannot 
for the life of me find the name of the child. Any addition translation 
assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks,Eddie Machado





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira

[Hermano C. Pires]

Manoel
Sorry for the delay, couldnt be helped.
As far as I have been able to determine Cosme de Viveiros and I share 
great-grandparents in that Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Moreira are my 10th G-G 
and his 2nd G-G.
This line continues to Gaspar Rodrigues and Maria de Barros and to Gaspar 
Rodrigues and Maria Goncalves.
I have not been ale to take this lline any farther back.
Hermano
 
 
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:26:44 -0700
From: man...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira

Great, Hermano.
Who is our common ancestor in this line?
Manoel
Em terça-feira, 26 de maio de 2015 18:38:59 UTC-3, Hermano C. Pires  escreveu:


Thanks Manoel.
And here again we connect :))
Hermano

 
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:00:00 -0700
From: man...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira

Eliseu and Hermano,
There’s a mistake in RR’s book.Cap. 152º, §13º, N. 7 – they skipped one 
generation. Cosme de Viveiros is the grandson of Maria Travassos and Sebastião 
de
Oliveira, not the son.His parents are alferes Manuel de Viveiros [Benevides] 
and Maria
Moreira. Data for Cosme de Viveiros, in Capelas:Baptism, b. 20 nov 1721 - CCA 
#78. Padrinhos: Manuel Botelho da Costa,
viúvo, e Maria Travassos de Oliveira, filha de Sebastião da Costa, já falecido,
irmã do pai do batizado.Marriage, 27 dec 1749 - CCA #92 - CM #321. Os 
contraentes foram
dispensados em quarto grau de consanguinidade. - [CM: Carlos Machado in the CCA
site. The information in CM is correct] Cosme de Viveiros is my ancestor 
through the line of my paternal
grandmother Leonira Cosme de Viveiros. 























Manoel César Furtado

Em segunda-feira, 25 de maio de 2015 04:41:15 UTC-3, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva  
escreveu:Thanks Hermano J
 
De: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano 
C. Pires
Enviada: segunda-feira, 25 de Maio de 2015 02:45
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira
 
Eliseu
Would the Genealogias de Carlos Machado help sort out the RR's mixing?
This line is in Page No. 315 (I don't know the CCA image No.).
Cosme de Viveiros is #8 (left side, middle).
Hope that helps.
Hermano
From: eliseu...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira
Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 15:24:52 +
Does anyone have info on the couple Cosme de Viveiros and Ama de Oliveira. They 
were married December 27th 1749 in Capelas, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores. 
They had João de Viveiros Cosme on 30.7.1752 in Capelas.
It seems like Rodrigo Rodrigo as done some “mixing” on the generations…
 
Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” 
Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira

[Hermano C. Pires]

Thanks Manoel.
And here again we connect :))
Hermano
 
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:00:00 -0700
From: man...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira

Eliseu and Hermano,
There’s a mistake in RR’s book.Cap. 152º, §13º, N. 7 – they skipped one 
generation. Cosme de Viveiros is the grandson of Maria Travassos and Sebastião 
de
Oliveira, not the son.His parents are alferes Manuel de Viveiros [Benevides] 
and Maria
Moreira. Data for Cosme de Viveiros, in Capelas:Baptism, b. 20 nov 1721 - CCA 
#78. Padrinhos: Manuel Botelho da Costa,
viúvo, e Maria Travassos de Oliveira, filha de Sebastião da Costa, já falecido,
irmã do pai do batizado.Marriage, 27 dec 1749 - CCA #92 - CM #321. Os 
contraentes foram
dispensados em quarto grau de consanguinidade. - [CM: Carlos Machado in the CCA
site. The information in CM is correct] Cosme de Viveiros is my ancestor 
through the line of my paternal
grandmother Leonira Cosme de Viveiros. 























Manoel César Furtado

Em segunda-feira, 25 de maio de 2015 04:41:15 UTC-3, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva  
escreveu:Thanks Hermano J De: azo...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano C. Pires
Enviada: segunda-feira, 25 de Maio de 2015 02:45
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira 
EliseuWould the Genealogias de Carlos Machado help sort out the RR's 
mixing?This line is in Page No. 315 (I don't know the CCA image No.).Cosme de 
Viveiros is #8 (left side, middle).Hope that helps.HermanoFrom: 
eliseu...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira
Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 15:24:52 +Does anyone have info on the couple Cosme 
de Viveiros and Ama de Oliveira. They were married December 27th 1749 in 
Capelas, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores. They had João de Viveiros Cosme on 
30.7.1752 in Capelas.It seems like Rodrigo Rodrigo as done some “mixing” on the 
generations… Eliseu Pacheco da Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable 
human resources” Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( 
http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira

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EliseuWould the Genealogias de Carlos Machado help sort out the RR's 
mixing?This line is in Page No. 315 (I don't know the CCA image No.).Cosme de 
Viveiros is #8 (left side, middle).Hope that helps.Hermano

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cosme de Viveiros married to Ana de Oliveira
Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 15:24:52 +

Does anyone have info on the couple Cosme de Viveiros and Ama de Oliveira. They 
were married December 27th 1749 in Capelas, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores. 
They had João de Viveiros Cosme on 30.7.1752 in Capelas.It seems like Rodrigo 
Rodrigo as done some “mixing” on the generations… Eliseu Pacheco da 
Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” Researching Açores 
(São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )  




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Simas Caterina Resendes - Nordeste, S. Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Denise
These are not in my own tree but I did a quick search and came across the 
attached.
Let me know if it is accesscible.
Hope that it is of help.
Hermano
 
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao de Simas  Caterina Resendes - Nordeste, S. 
 Miguel
 Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 13:35:28 -0400
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Hello all,
 
 I was wondering if anyone has stumbled this couple in their research; Joao de 
 Simas and his wife Caterina de Resendes of S. Jorge, Nordeste, Sao Miguel.  
 They are my 7th great-grandparents.  I have not been able to find a birth or 
 death record for either of them.  They were married 1 Nov 1693 in Sao Jorge, 
 Nordeste.  Joao was the son of Francisco da Costa and Maria da Costa; 
 Caterina was the daughter of Paulo da Costa and Isabel Maria Cabeceiras; all 
 of S. Jorge, Nordeste.
 
 Joao and Caterina have 2 children that I have found - Manuel de Simas 
 Resendes and Maria (no surname yet).  
 
 If anyone can add anything to this family I would greatly appreciate it and 
 would love to hear from anyone that is also their descendant.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Denise D'Antona
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba da Maia... Da Silva or Da Rosa

[Hermano C. Pires]

These posts are very vague!
Hermano
 
 Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 18:40:33 -0700
 From: pagome...@comcast.net
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba da Maia... Da Silva or Da Rosa
 
 I have a handful of da Silva's that I need to find records for. Those that I 
 have info on are from Ribeira Seca, Estrella, Conceicao areas of Ribeira 
 Grande. I also have some that moved to Mae de Deus area of Povoacao.
 
 Paul G.
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record - ribeira grande

[Hermano C. Pires]

Amy
Saw your post and it sort of rang a bell.
Manuel married a distant cousin (4th wife?) and I was doing research on them 
and came accros the attached.
It seems to fit quite well.
Hope ta it is useful.
Hermano
 
Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 09:57:30 -0700
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record - ribeira grande

The first child I found was Manoel, he was born Feb 
1810http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1806-1810/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1806-1810_item1/P163.html

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 10:43:44 AM UTC-4, Amy Francis wrote:I have a couple 
that I have been having a hard time finding a marriage record for and was 
wondering if anyone has come across this couple in their research.
Vicente Jose Pereira (b 1789 in Conceição, Ribeira Grande) and Anna Jacinta 
(b.? Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande)
The first child I have found for them is Manoel born 1810 in Matriz, Ribeira 
Grande.   I also found 7 other children for them all born in Matriz - the last 
one, Maria, in 1834.  None of their children's baptisms seem to list where the 
parent's were married that I can see.
I looked through marriages around 1807-1810 in Matriz, Conceição, and Rabo de 
Peixe but cannot find them.  
Any other suggestions?
Thanks,Amy Francis








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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help finding marriage record - ribeira grande

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Amy:Saw your post and was just entering the wedding of Manuel Jose 
Pereira to a distand cousin and decided to follow it up.I am quite confidente 
that it is thae same person and upon doing some research I came across the 
information below. Sorry that the formatting did carry.By the way Manuel was 
born on 18 Feb 1810 and was baptised on 24 Feb 1810 (he had been baptised at 
home) he priest confirmed and admisntered the Holy Oils.Hope that it 
helps.Hermano Vicente José Pereira
Born in 1779 - Nª Srª da Conceição da Ribeira Grande 
Deceased - 
Parents
Manuel Pereira

Married to 
Madalena Rosa



Spouses, children, grandchildren and great-grandchildrenMarried 8 October 1806, 
Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela (Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Ana Jacinta de 
Jesus, born in 1784 - Sr. Bom Jesus de Rabo de Peixe, Deceased - . with 
Manuel José Pereira 1811 married 6 July 1829, igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela 
(Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Rosa Jacinta ca 1808-/1831

Manuel José Pereira 1811 married 19 September 1831, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela 
(Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Margarida Cândida 1814-/1846

Manuel José Pereira 1811 married about 27 May 1846, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela 
(Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Querubina Júla Taveira
Daniel Jacinto Pereira 1811- married 27 September 1830, Igreja de Nª Srª  
da Estrela (Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Maria Jacinta 1804-

Daniel Jacinto Pereira 1811- married 20 November 1833, Igreja de Nª Srª da 
Estrela (Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Francisca Vicência 1812-/1849

Daniel Jacinto Pereira 1811- married 19 December 1849, Igreja de Nª Srª da 
Estrela (Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Florinda Emília †

Margarida Isabel 1818- married 13 August 1832, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela 
(Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Bento Joaquim de Araújo †1841 with Maria 
Inocência † married 31 January 1853, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela (Matriz) da 
Ribeira Grande, to António Jacinto de Meneses † with : Querubina Máxima 1861- 

Maria Laurentina Meneses 1863 

Manuel de Meneses 1866- 

Maria da Glória Meneses 1874-Margarida Isabel 1818-
 married 17 August 1842, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela (Matriz) da Ribeira 
Grande, to António Jacinto do Amaral 1815-

José Jacinto Pereira 1821- married 15 January 1844, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela 
(Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Maria Júlia 1825-

João Jacinto Pereira 1824- married 17 June 1844, Igreja de Nª Srª da Estrela 
(Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, to Maria Augusta 1826- withMaria José 1845-/1903 
married 20 April 1867, Igreja de Nª da Estrela Matriz) da Ribeira Grande, 
to Abel de Sousa Medeiros 1847- with : José de Sousa 1868-








 
Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 04:33:40 -0700
From: familyfrancispho...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help finding marriage record - ribeira grande

I have a couple that I have been having a hard time finding a marriage record 
for and was wondering if anyone has come across this couple in their research.
Vicente Jose Pereira (b 1789 in Conceição, Ribeira Grande) and Anna Jacinta 
(b.? Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande)
The first child I have found for them is Manoel born 1810 in Matriz, Ribeira 
Grande.   I also found 7 other children for them all born in Matriz - the last 
one, Maria, in 1834.  None of their children's baptisms seem to list where the 
parent's were married that I can see.
I looked through marriages around 1807-1810 in Matriz, Conceição, and Rabo de 
Peixe but cannot find them.  
Any other suggestions?
Thanks,Amy Francis








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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with odd word?/name? in Rabo de Peixe marriage record

[Hermano C. Pires]

My two cents worth.
In my experience they ask for NOME and SOBRE NOME.
And also in my experience Apelido and Alcunha can be interchangeable.
Sorry to add to the confusion.
Hermano
 
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 14:24:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with odd word?/name? in Rabo de Peixe 
marriage record
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Well perhaps, but since I got into doing genealogy 20+ years ago, alcunha was 
reserved for nickname.  And after that poor guy at that table flipped the words 
alcunha  apelido, I just thought that alcunha confirmed what I learned.  
Perhaps in some families they use one more word more than the other.  Seems 
more families called the nicknames alcunhas though in my research.  Someone 
would have to do a study to figure out the true percentages though.

What do Portuguese employment applications ask for though?  Maybe one of our 
listmembers there know.
Cheri

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:01 AM, helen kerner hker...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


An apelido is a nickname.  I hear it used that way all the time from Azorens.


 

In
imTranslator type in apelido  the English definition is nickname

Type in
nickname  apelido comes up

Translation Portuguese - English Collins
Dictionary  

apelido:
examples and translations in context 


 
  
  É tão
  importante como o apelido.
  
  
  It's
  as important as your last name...
  
 
 
  
  Ele
  prefere ser chamado pelo apelido.
  
  
  He has
  a nickname he'd rather be known by.
  
 
 
  
  Um
  antigo apelido que costumavam chamar-me.
  
  
  An old
  nickname when I was in a fraternity.
  
 


 


 
  
  Babylon
  Portuguese-English
  
 


apelido (m) 

n. name, surname, nickname, cognomen, epithet 
apelidar 

v. nickname 



Google
Translate

Synonyms of apelido

noun

sobrenome, nome falso, alcunha,
primeiro nome

Translations
of apelido


 
  
  Noun
  
 
 
  
  
  nickname
  
  
  apelido,
  alcunha, cognome
  
 
   On Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:33 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com 
wrote: Sorry, apelido is surname and alcunha is nickname.  In casual 
conversation, people seem to use them interchangeably, but they aren't really.  
I remember a guy at our hall explaining that his alcunha was this and his 
apelido was that and half the table told him no it wasn't, he had it backwards, 
blah blah blah.  I'm sure he wanted to go under the table at that point or pour 
the sopas over their heads!Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila 
Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hi EliseuLet me know when you hava a look at it and what you think.HermanoFrom: 
eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:52:28 +

Hi Hermano!I sent you na email asking for information… I have not seen the word 
attachment you sent… Please do not consider it! J  De: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano C. Pires
Enviada: quarta-feira, 22 de Abril de 2015 21:16
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! 
Hi Eliseu,I finally was able to get back to this!I have verified that the 
grandparents for Jose from his baptism and the parents for both Manuel and 
Maria Julia from their marriage record are consistent.On any event attached is 
what I have so far for Jose's ancestors.Once again sorry for the delay.Waiting 
to hear from you.Hermano From: lagoe...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 20:43:47 +Eliseu.
Thanks for the prompt reply.
Sadly I will not be able to reciprocate because of present  personal demands, 
however I promise to get to this as soon as I can.
Once again thanks and sory tha I have to delay.
Hermano

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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 22:39:15 +Hi Hermano,Thank you very much for your 
concern. I am sending you a report where you may see my couple. I think you 
have the same “problem” that led me to a false conclusion. The marriage date 
you have is for a Manuel Arruda, soldier, married to a Maria Júlia that I think 
went to Hawaii… Please see the data I have and we will change information! Once 
more, thank you.eliseu  De: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano C. Pires
Enviada: quarta-feira, 8 de Abril de 2015 18:54
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! 
Eliseu,
Regarding this part of your post below:
 
The day before yesterday I found out that that Manuel de Arruda was not our 
Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria Júlia… but mine was married to a 
Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify someone’s information)… so: let’s 
start all over again!!!
 
I have a Maria Julia de Melo married to a Manuel de Arruda, who is a distant 
relative (7th cousin 3X removed according to FTM). Do you have any dates, 
parents and place of origin for this couple? Mne were married 19 July 1875 in 
Porto Formoso (not confirmed) and I will glad to share any information you may 
want on this couple.
Hermano

 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:56:31 +
From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over 
again!On the bright side, we may actually be related this time around ;-) Bill 
From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: AZORES GENEALOGY - Google group azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! … 
you are doing research since 1995… (20 years experienced: big shot!!!) One 
morning you discover that your old mother (80 years old) was not so old as you 
thought! “I have never heard about those people you are showing as being our 
relatives!”, she said once.The day before yesterday I found out that that 
Manuel de Arruda was not our Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria 
Júlia… but mine was married to a Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify 
someone’s information)… so: let’s start all over again!!! Eliseu Pacheco da 
Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” Researching Açores 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding my great grandfather

[Hermano C. Pires]

The original name was, most likely Joseph (Jose) Mancebo Rodrigues.
If he emigrated from the Azores in the 1800's you may be able to find him in 
the CCA site under passports.
If he was a jump ship whaler, it gets a bit dicier.
Hermano
 
From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 14:33:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding my great grandfather
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Gloria R,

Flores is an island.  Horta is a city on the island of Faial.  

I don't think the whalers went to Hawaii.  The people who research Hawaii know 
best though.  To get to Hawaii from the Azores, you left from Ponta Delgada on 
the island of Sao Miguel or from Funchal on Madeira (Madeira is not part of the 
Azores). 

Also check your years.  Born 1952 or 1955 but died in 1919?  Did you mean 1852 
or 1855?

A how to is here: goo.gl/Ds6UKd

You also might want to look at the Portuguese Hawaiian site, Your Island Routes 
at www.yourislandroutes.com.  It's undergoing redesign, so some web link may 
not work.

I'm not sure if the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii has a web site, 
but the president is on this list or you can contact him at dgnils at 
hotmail.com

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Eliseu.
OOps! :) I thought that I had atteched a Word doc.
I see an attachment above. Hope it makes it to you.
Let me know.
Hermano
 
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:06:49 +
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thanks!Please let me know who are the josé's parents and grand parents... and 
any dates you have on them. A gedcom or a family report would be very much 
apreciated.Thanks again!

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

No dia 22/04/2015, às 21:16, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com escreveu:




Hi Eliseu,I finally was able to get back to this!I have verified that the 
grandparents for Jose from his baptism and the parents for both Manuel and 
Maria Julia from their marriage record are consistent.On any event attached is 
what I have so far for Jose's ancestors.Once again sorry for the delay.Waiting 
to hear from you.Hermano

From: lagoe...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 20:43:47 +




Eliseu.
Thanks for the prompt reply.
Sadly I will not be able to reciprocate because of present  personal demands, 
however I promise to get to this as soon as I can.
Once again thanks and sory tha I have to delay.
Hermano

 
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 22:39:15 +

Hi Hermano,Thank you very much for your concern. I am sending you a report 
where you may see my couple. I think you have the same “problem” that led me to 
a false conclusion. The marriage date you have is for a Manuel Arruda, soldier, 
married to a Maria Júlia that I think went to Hawaii… Please see the data I 
have and we will change information! Once more, thank you.eliseu  De: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano C. 
Pires
Enviada: quarta-feira, 8 de Abril de 2015 18:54
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! 
Eliseu,
Regarding this part of your post below:
 
The day before yesterday I found out that that Manuel de Arruda was not our 
Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria Júlia… but mine was married to a 
Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify someone’s information)… so: let’s 
start all over again!!!
 
I have a Maria Julia de Melo married to a Manuel de Arruda, who is a distant 
relative (7th cousin 3X removed according to FTM). Do you have any dates, 
parents and place of origin for this couple? Mne were married 19 July 1875 in 
Porto Formoso (not confirmed) and I will glad to share any information you may 
want on this couple.
Hermano

 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:56:31 +
From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over 
again!On the bright side, we may actually be related this time around ;-) Bill

From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: AZORES GENEALOGY - Google group azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! … 
you are doing research since 1995… (20 years experienced: big shot!!!) One 
morning you discover that your old mother (80 years old) was not so old as you 
thought! “I have never heard about those people you are showing as being our 
relatives!”, she said once.The day before yesterday I found out that that 
Manuel de Arruda was not our Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria 
Júlia… but mine was married to a Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify 
someone’s information)… so: let’s start all over again!!! Eliseu Pacheco da 
Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” Researching Açores 
(São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hi Eliseu,I finally was able to get back to this!I have verified that the 
grandparents for Jose from his baptism and the parents for both Manuel and 
Maria Julia from their marriage record are consistent.On any event attached is 
what I have so far for Jose's ancestors.Once again sorry for the delay.Waiting 
to hear from you.HermanoFrom: lagoe...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 20:43:47 +




Eliseu.
Thanks for the prompt reply.
Sadly I will not be able to reciprocate because of present  personal demands, 
however I promise to get to this as soon as I can.
Once again thanks and sory tha I have to delay.
Hermano

 
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 22:39:15 +

Hi Hermano,Thank you very much for your concern. I am sending you a report 
where you may see my couple. I think you have the same “problem” that led me to 
a false conclusion. The marriage date you have is for a Manuel Arruda, soldier, 
married to a Maria Júlia that I think went to Hawaii… Please see the data I 
have and we will change information! Once more, thank you.eliseu  De: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano C. 
Pires
Enviada: quarta-feira, 8 de Abril de 2015 18:54
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! 
Eliseu,
Regarding this part of your post below:
 
The day before yesterday I found out that that Manuel de Arruda was not our 
Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria Júlia… but mine was married to a 
Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify someone’s information)… so: let’s 
start all over again!!!
 
I have a Maria Julia de Melo married to a Manuel de Arruda, who is a distant 
relative (7th cousin 3X removed according to FTM). Do you have any dates, 
parents and place of origin for this couple? Mne were married 19 July 1875 in 
Porto Formoso (not confirmed) and I will glad to share any information you may 
want on this couple.
Hermano

 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:56:31 +
From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over 
again!On the bright side, we may actually be related this time around ;-) Bill

From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: AZORES GENEALOGY - Google group azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! … 
you are doing research since 1995… (20 years experienced: big shot!!!) One 
morning you discover that your old mother (80 years old) was not so old as you 
thought! “I have never heard about those people you are showing as being our 
relatives!”, she said once.The day before yesterday I found out that that 
Manuel de Arruda was not our Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria 
Júlia… but mine was married to a Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify 
someone’s information)… so: let’s start all over again!!! Eliseu Pacheco da 
Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” Researching Açores 
(São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Paleography

[Hermano C. Pires]

Looks to be very useful.
Thanks for posting it.
Will have to try to locate the original.
Again many thanks.
Hermano
 
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:21:34 -0700
From: aka...@earthlink.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Paleography




 
  
 

  Fernando Manaças Ferreira posted this on Facebook and I thought it would 
helpful to all on this list also. I have added a cover page for your use if 
desired.  I contains some very good information and examples of old writing, 
abbreviations and exceptions to the conventions at the time.  Good luck and 
happy hunting.
Walter TeixeiraResearching Praia Graciosaemail: aka...@earthlink.net
  






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit, Just can't read 3 words... Help Please

[Hermano C. Pires]

She was 82 and died suddenly.
Hermano
 
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit, Just can't read 3 words... Help Please
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 23:12:41 +







Left hand, top of page.  I have the first part on the previous page already 
but; can’t figure out what it says she died from.  “Sudden” something.  Is that 
“being attacked by sudden death”?  Can someone please translate this for me?  
Fourth line down.   May thanks, Sam in Maz
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1880-1889_item1/P17.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Puzzling birth and death records

[Hermano C. Pires]

You are welcome.
I have notised that many parents did just that (name the new baby as the just 
deseaeed one), either in memory of just to relieve the grief.
It was a tight window! :))
Hermano
 
From: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:39:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Puzzling birth and death records
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you, Hermano. I did eventually discover that birth - it just didn't occur 
to me that there would be another Joaquina born to the same parents.  
MaryAnn
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote:



MaryAnn.
The obituary that you are looking at refers, I believe to a Joaquina which had 
benn born to them in November 1824 (see CCa Image No. 135, tp right). the 
mother's name there is Francisca de Jesus, but the time frame fits as does most 
everything.
Hope this helps.
Hermano

 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:40:30 -0700
From: m...@nyu.edu
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Puzzling birth and death records

I have located the birth and death record for someone in my line but the dates 
conflict.  
Joaquina born 2 December 1825 - daughter of Manuel Rodriques and Ignacia 
Francisca de Mello. And then what I believe is the same child's death on 11 
July 1825 at 7 months. Impossible, I know. What am I missing here? The record 
is top right page on both. Any ideas?
Much appreciated.MaryAnn Santos

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1819-1826/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1819-1826_item1/P160.html

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-O-1821-1857/SMG-RG-MAIA-O-1821-1857_item1/P34.html





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Puzzling birth and death records

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MaryAnn.
The obituary that you are looking at refers, I believe to a Joaquina which had 
benn born to them in November 1824 (see CCa Image No. 135, tp right). the 
mother's name there is Francisca de Jesus, but the time frame fits as does most 
everything.
Hope this helps.
Hermano
 
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:40:30 -0700
From: m...@nyu.edu
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Puzzling birth and death records

I have located the birth and death record for someone in my line but the dates 
conflict.  
Joaquina born 2 December 1825 - daughter of Manuel Rodriques and Ignacia 
Francisca de Mello. And then what I believe is the same child's death on 11 
July 1825 at 7 months. Impossible, I know. What am I missing here? The record 
is top right page on both. Any ideas?
Much appreciated.MaryAnn Santos

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1819-1826/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1819-1826_item1/P160.html

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-O-1821-1857/SMG-RG-MAIA-O-1821-1857_item1/P34.html





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Eliseu.
Thanks for the prompt reply.
Sadly I will not be able to reciprocate because of present  personal demands, 
however I promise to get to this as soon as I can.
Once again thanks and sory tha I have to delay.
Hermano
 
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again!
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 22:39:15 +

Hi Hermano,Thank you very much for your concern. I am sending you a report 
where you may see my couple. I think you have the same “problem” that led me to 
a false conclusion. The marriage date you have is for a Manuel Arruda, soldier, 
married to a Maria Júlia that I think went to Hawaii… Please see the data I 
have and we will change information! Once more, thank you.eliseu  De: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Hermano C. 
Pires
Enviada: quarta-feira, 8 de Abril de 2015 18:54
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! 
Eliseu,
Regarding this part of your post below:
 
The day before yesterday I found out that that Manuel de Arruda was not our 
Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria Júlia… but mine was married to a 
Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify someone’s information)… so: let’s 
start all over again!!!
 
I have a Maria Julia de Melo married to a Manuel de Arruda, who is a distant 
relative (7th cousin 3X removed according to FTM). Do you have any dates, 
parents and place of origin for this couple? Mne were married 19 July 1875 in 
Porto Formoso (not confirmed) and I will glad to share any information you may 
want on this couple.
Hermano

 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:56:31 +
From: azores@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over 
again!On the bright side, we may actually be related this time around ;-) Bill

From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: AZORES GENEALOGY - Google group azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Arruda... let's start all over again! … 
you are doing research since 1995… (20 years experienced: big shot!!!) One 
morning you discover that your old mother (80 years old) was not so old as you 
thought! “I have never heard about those people you are showing as being our 
relatives!”, she said once.The day before yesterday I found out that that 
Manuel de Arruda was not our Manuel de Arruda. Both were married to a Maria 
Júlia… but mine was married to a Maria Júlia de Melo… (I just forgot to verify 
someone’s information)… so: let’s start all over again!!! Eliseu Pacheco da 
Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” Researching Açores 
(São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter thread

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Happy Easter and good ancestor and relative hunting.
Hermano 
 
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 12:43:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter thread
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Happy Easter everyone. 

On Sunday, April 5, 2015, Barbara Mecklenburg bamecklenb...@gmail.com wrote:
Happy Easter everyone! 
~Barbara Mecklenburg

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com wrote:
Feliz Pascoa~Happy Easter to all!! Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao 
Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' 
Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Emil ehsilve...@comcast.net wrote:
Feliz Pascoa! Happy Easter to everyone!
Emil Silveira
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Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:01:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter thread

Blessed Easter to all

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On Apr 5, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

Feliz Pascoa / Happy Easter to all list members.If you'd like to send your 
Easter greetings, post to this thread only. Do not post after midnight your 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please translating a sidebar Maria d of Antonio Tavares do Rego

[Hermano C. Pires]

Quite ambiguous, I would say however the the corrente that he is redering to 
is actually in 1962 seeing that he mentions the 8th above and repeats it as the 
8th of March below. Also he does not mention January in the side bar.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please translating a sidebar Maria d of 
Antonio Tavares do Rego
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 00:50:49 +







I think I’ve translated the body of this document fairly well but; I’m having 
trouble translating the sidebar.  It’s the one on the left, No 2, Maria.  I 
think it says she died on the 8 day of January 1885, (the same day she was 
born) in the parish of Sao Pedro, obit #30. However; I was unable to find the 
obit.  It also says something about 8 March 1962.
Any and all help is much appreciated.  Thanks, Sam in Maz
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P86.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Delgada to Argentina

[Hermano C. Pires]

The CCA, passports could help.
Hermano
 
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 01:16:29 +
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Delgada to Argentina

Hi everyone. 

A friend of mine is just starting his genealogy . He says his family use too 
talk about his ancestors traveling from Ponta Delgada to Argentina. I haven't 
seen any manifest with Argentina on it. Has anyone come across Argentina??  
This would be around 1923 to 1930's.
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamentos help groom/bride/parents names, dates, etc.

[Hermano C. Pires]

Paul G.
Here is what I can Make out:
$ Dec. 1734 - Manuel Pacheco de Medeiros son of Manuel Luiz (Luis) Pacheco and 
Barbara de Medeiros with Quiteria de Medeiros daughter of Manuel Monis (Moniz) 
Vieira and Josefa de Resendes (Rezendes).
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:34:15 -0700
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamentos help groom/bride/parents names, dates, 
etc.

Hello everyone The record is top left. Hand writing is terrible on this one. 
I'm hoping the grooms name is Manoel Pacheco and the brides name is Quiteria 
Morais/Mor?is/M?. It loos like the grooms parents are Manoel Luiz Pacheco  
Barbara ?, brides father Manoel Morais/Mor?is widow. That is about all I can 
read. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796_item1/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796_JPG/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796_0095.jpg
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What surname is this?

[Hermano C. Pires]

At the risk of ruffling some feathers. Here is my two cents worth: I can't make 
out precisely what the surname is but It can't be Pacheco because 3 lines above 
where it is there is the name of the cura Jose Ignacio de Souza Pacheco and it 
bears no resemblance to it.HermanoFrom: m...@nyu.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:01:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What surname is this?
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I thought there was an x in the word.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Eliseu Pacheco eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote:
The word is PACHECO (Paxeco). 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

No dia 16/03/2015, às 11:31, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com 
escreveu:

Andrew,
on the 2nd link it is visible to me Ricaço
Watch for the , underneath the last c.
Margaret 
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote:
Hi Andrew, 
It certainly is a tricky one. I don't think it's an R because the down stroke 
are pretty evident and consistent in the document. It could be a P and my 
first thought was Peixoto but there don't seem to be enough letters in the work 
and the t - if it is a t - isn't crossed. 
Sorry I can't be of more help.
By the way, if you're related to José Eusebio Raposo (sapteiro) who married 
Maria Leite Barbosa 22 July 1897 Divino Espirito Santo, Maia we're related. 
Maria was my grandmother, Ermelinda Leite Barbosa's older sister.
MaryAnn
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Rapoza rapoza.2...@gmail.com wrote:
I forget that in this era I can send links to these records. Wow, what a 
miraculous age we live in! Here they are. 
The surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from the 
bottom of the entry text.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768_item1/P13.html
The same surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from 
the bottom of the entry text.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783_item1/P72.html

Thanks again for everyone's help. I suspect, by the way, that they are Pexico, 
perhaps an ancient spelling of Pacheco? Thanks again. 
--Andy Rapoza

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:It won't 
open for me. Can you send the links to the documents so everyone can see it?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Observation word in passports

[Hermano C. Pires]

Kathy
I believe that the word you refer to is escreve mening that the person can 
write.
Hermano
 
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:19:57 -0800
From: kmacard...@mac.com
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Observation word in passports



There is a word listed under Observations in the passport columns. It 
looks something like escrena .. i'm sure that's not it. Does anyone 
know what it is and what it means?

  

Thanks,

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godfather's title?

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sui Juris usually means an adult person who is self sufficient, living by his 
own means.
My Websters gave me this slant: an adult perso having full legal rights or 
capacity
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godfather's title?
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:11:56 -0600
To: azores@googlegroups.com

The fifth sentence from the bottom says the godfather was Joaquim JOSE de Sousa 
then it looks like Sui juris.  He's been named as godfather for several kids 
in that family and it always has that after his name but I can't figure out 
what it says.  (Tried google translation but I must not be spelling it 
correctly)

Can anyone help me with this little mystery(?). 

Thank you in advance


Upper right hand for ANNA 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1802-1810/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1802-1810_item1/P184.html



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage, 1744, Santa Barbara Terceira, Garcia/Gracia

[Hermano C. Pires]

My two cents worth on this:
I see:   Manuel Gracia son of Antonio Rodrigues and Maria Gracia, both deceased 
with Agada (Agueda) da Conceicao daughter of Francisco Fernandes and Luzia da 
Conceicao, nat. .
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
 
From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:21:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage, 1744, Santa Barbara Terceira, 
Garcia/Gracia
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I was leaning towards Rodrigues for father of the groom.  I can't see the 
Ferreira in the father of the bride.  As for the mother of bride,  I keep 
adding or taking away that da, but it should be da Conceicao, so I need to take 
that da out of the mother of bride.  It's not your run of the mill first name.
Cheri

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:
I can’t make all of it but this is what I see. Manuel Garcia son of Antonio 
Rodrigues  Maria Garcia  Agueda  da Conceicao  daughter of Francisco Ferreira 
 Hugia (feminine of Hugo ?) da Conceicao Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, 
NH  From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:23 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage, 1744, Santa Barbara Terceira, 
Garcia/Gracia This is the marriage for Manuel Garcia or Gracia and of Agueda da 
Conceicao on 9? 11? March 1744 (left side, middle on down)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1703-1767/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1703-1767_item1/P328.html8th
 full line from the bottom:Manuel Gracia, son of Antonio __ and Maria 
Gracia, both deceased.Agueda da Conceicao, daughter of Francisco _ and 
Guiada?? _Since I have no Gracia or Garcias in my tree I don't know which 
is the modern spelling.  Some records are saying Garcia, some records are 
saying Gracia.  I have ideas on those names, but I'd like a 2nd opinion, 
please. Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?

[Hermano C. Pires]

Not all follow the same patern but I had a look for one in 1920. In order, left 
to right:
- Dates (year, month, day)
- Passport number
- Names
- Marital status
- Profession
- Age
- sinaes caracteristicos Unique charactristics (height, face, hair, 
sob-olhos lit. under the eyes, eyes, nose,  mouth, colour). sob-olhos threw 
me for a loop, what is so unique about one's lower lid ?
- Destination
- Others traveling with 
- Places of birth (islands, councils, vilages) - for vilages read also Parishes
- Ability to write (male, female)
- Ship's name
- Obsevations 
 
Had a quick look at others from previuos years and the order is not exactly the 
same!
 
That is it in a nut shell. Hope that it helps.
Hermano
 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:48:37 -0800

I’m with Kathy. I can figure out some, but not all the headings. If anyone 
knows where to find the info about the headings, it would really help. Diane 
George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 1:06 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns? Like a lot of us, I'm sure, I'm 
enjoying looking for ancestors in the Horta passports. I can read most of the 
column headings; name, age, status, occupation, where born, ship name, 
destination ... But, what are the other column headings? Does anyone have a 
breakdown of these. Maybe I need new glasses, LOL.

Kathy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Horta Passport

[Hermano C. Pires]

Eleanor
You seem to have most of it.
It is a bit of a stretch but SOBIT could be Sul da, with the da written 
after he had written Americano.
The S?/a looks like it could mean that he had no declered profession, and the 
lady traveling with them is Filomena da Gloria, 26 years old, single, I think 
it says that she is their servant (Criada).Hermano
 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 01:25:16 +
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Horta Passport

  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P83.html

 

I found my
great-grandfather’s passport entry (above, last entry, March 17, 1881, # 470)
Antonio Ignacio de Faria, Jr, but was surprised when I saw the Naturaldade. It 
looks like Sobdit. Americano, what kind of American
is that and why would it say that? For his marriage to Anna Izabel de Faria and
the birth of his son, Antonio, 10 mo. (both wife and son mentioned as traveling
with him) the records state he was a resident of Capelo, Horta, Fayal.  Also, 
can anyone read the name of the other
woman traveling with him? And why the S?/a in the profession column? Thanks for
any suggestions. Eleanor Faria Dwyer






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798

[Hermano C. Pires]

That is what I make out! Most ike confess and own up to his  sin.
:))
Hermano
 
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:00:31 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798
To: azores@googlegroups.com

The discharge his conscience clear his conscience, get it off his chest?  
Kinda along those lines?


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798

[Hermano C. Pires]

Rick.
You have definetly read too much into the record of her baptism.
 Maria daughter of Maria da Estrela, who lives by and through her own means and 
of an unknow father, maternal granddaughter of Jose de Arruda and Antonia 
Pereira (Panera ?). Born on 14 July 1780 and baptised on 22 July 1780.
Felisberto Caetano, sui juris  (who lives by and through his own means) was the 
godfather.
 
Note on the rght margin refers to the father acknowleging her as his daughter:
On 26 April 1798, present in this Consevatoria Manuel Moniz da Costa, 
Medidor (surveyer ?) declared to be the father of the child baptised and that 
he hadn'd recognised her as his daughter at the time because he was married to 
Maria Pacheco but upon her marriage felt compeled to discarge his conscience, 
or something like that ! Maria's (Maria dos Santos) marriage ocurred 3 days 
later, but then you know that!
So Maria dos Santos was the daughter of Maria da Estrela and Manuel Moniz da 
Costa, who at the time was married to Maria Pacheco
Whoa, enough.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:28:13 -0500

The bride is described as felha espura and refers to book of baptisms # 29 
(Estrela 1776-1782)page 149 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798_item1/P182.html
  Front side of page 182 (Right side of image) This is the baptism 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782_item1/P151.html
 Front side of page 149, lower entry (lower right side of image) I cannot 
understand all that is written but it appears that when the bride was born 
there was a big to do about it. It does name her mother as Maria da Estrella 
they use the word sui juris (I think it means she was under age) and then names 
two men Jose de Arruda and Antonio Paxeca (Pacheco). I think she had relations 
with both and was unsure who the father was so it names both. The marriage does 
name Manuel Moniz da Costa a medidor (I think medidor is like a guardian or 
judge) husband of Maria Pacheca. The marriage also names her mother Maria da 
Estrella sui juris Perhaps one of our native speaker can get a better read of 
what was going on. Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, NH  




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798

[Hermano C. Pires]

Get to take my hat off to the guy! :)) (I am bald and don't usualy wear a hat  
:))   ) 
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:01:23 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798
From: rcap...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Wow Hermano, that is some info! At least the father did acknowledge the child 
so the bloodline is known even though the parents were not married! Rosemarie 
rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, 
Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote:



Rick.
You have definetly read too much into the record of her baptism.
 Maria daughter of Maria da Estrela, who lives by and through her own means and 
of an unknow father, maternal granddaughter of Jose de Arruda and Antonia 
Pereira (Panera ?). Born on 14 July 1780 and baptised on 22 July 1780.
Felisberto Caetano, sui juris  (who lives by and through his own means) was the 
godfather.
 
Note on the rght margin refers to the father acknowleging her as his daughter:
On 26 April 1798, present in this Consevatoria Manuel Moniz da Costa, 
Medidor (surveyer ?) declared to be the father of the child baptised and that 
he hadn'd recognised her as his daughter at the time because he was married to 
Maria Pacheco but upon her marriage felt compeled to discarge his conscience, 
or something like that ! Maria's (Maria dos Santos) marriage ocurred 3 days 
later, but then you know that!
So Maria dos Santos was the daughter of Maria da Estrela and Manuel Moniz da 
Costa, who at the time was married to Maria Pacheco
Whoa, enough.
Hope that helps.
Hermano

 
From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:28:13 -0500

The bride is described as felha espura and refers to book of baptisms # 29 
(Estrela 1776-1782)page 149
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798_item1/P182.html
  Front side of page 182 (Right side of image)
 
This is the baptism 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782_item1/P151.html
 Front side of page 149, lower entry (lower right side of image)
 
I cannot understand all that is written but it appears that when the bride was 
born there was a big to do about it. It does name her mother as Maria da 
Estrella they use the word sui juris (I think it means she was under age) and 
then names two men Jose de Arruda and Antonio Paxeca (Pacheco). I think she had 
relations with both and was unsure who the father was so it names both.
 
The marriage does name Manuel Moniz da Costa a medidor (I think medidor is like 
a guardian or judge) husband of Maria Pacheca. The marriage also names her 
mother Maria da Estrella sui juris
 
Perhaps one of our native speaker can get a better read of what was going on.
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Record # 217 (1887) for Isabel dos Santos Simas - translate who she is traveling with...

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Evee
I see Isabel dos Santos Simas (27 yrs, married) from S. Roque, S. Antonio (?) , 
Pico traveling with her 4 children: Manuel (7yrs), Maria (5 yrs), Antonio (3 
yrs) and Adelaide (1 yr); and her sister Mariana dos Santos (22yrs, single).
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Record # 217 (1887) for Isabel dos 
Santos Simas - translate who she is traveling with...
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:41:57 -0600




Hi Evee,
isabel is traveling with her 4 children and her mother, Marianna dos santos, 77 
yrs. They're from Sao Roque, I can't tell if it's Santo Amaro, Santo Antonio or 
Santa Ana.someone else will tell you.
Nancy Jean

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:25:28 -0800
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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Record # 217 (1887) for Isabel dos Santos 
Simas - translate who she is traveling with...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P208.html

This is the link to the passport record of my great grandmother Isabel dos 
Santos Simas.
I can't make out some of the words in the column that explains who she is 
traveling with.
I'm curious if she is traveling with her mother, Marianna dos Santos.  I see 
that name in the note.
It appears that she is traveling with her children, Manuel, Maria, and Adelaide 
and maybe Antone.  Manuel is the oldest child.  He would have been about 8, 
Maria about 6  Adelaide about 2.  Antone, who would have been about 4.
Antone may be in this note, but I can't tell.
Anyway, I need some help this part of the passport record.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Bento Soares Luiz e Emerencianna Roza 1768

[Hermano C. Pires]

Anthony, here is what I see:
 
Bento Soares Luiz son of Antonio Soares and Maria Luiza, baptised in S. Matheus 
with Emerencianna (Emerenciana) Roza Jacinta daughter of Manuel Jorge and Maria 
da Ressurreicao, baptised in this Parish.
Hope that helps .
Hermano
 
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:45:39 -0800
From: asoaresph...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Bento Soares Luiz e Emerencianna Roza 
1768

 Hey Group,
 I have a couple names that are giving me trouble the bride and her parents, 
yes her first name is unusual I have that confirmed in other records. 
Emerencianna Roza ( Jalinta ) ? filha de Manuel ( Joseph ) ? e de sua mulher 
Maria da ( Ressurreiçao ) ?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789_item1/P94.html


Thank you for any help.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport translation

[Hermano C. Pires]

Luci.
I had a quick look at the link you enclosed and see that at the time Serafino 
de Moraes was 33 years old,  (worker/labourer) that he was born in Lagoa, S. 
Miguel and that he is acompanied by his wife Maria da Conceicao, 33 years old 
and their children: Serafino 12, Maria 7, Jose 3 and Isabel 1.
Hope that helps.
Happy New Year and God Bless.
Hermano
 
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:16:27 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport translation
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Duh, got it, image 3:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P3.html

It doesn't look like the are asking for the parents on this one.  
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy New Years!

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A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year replete with new found relatives.
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:33:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy New Years!
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Happy New Year to everyone! May your year be happy and healthy! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!
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I Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Years.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Estrella marriage 1771

[Hermano C. Pires]

Looks like Maria de Freitas.
hermano
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Estrella marriage 1771
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:44:00 -0500

I have everything from this record except the name of the grooms mother  Jose 
dos Reis son of Antonio de Oliveira and Maria ??? 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1768-1784/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1768-1784_item1/P43.html
  lower record Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, NH  




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas, Feliz Natal, Boas Festas thread

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A Merry and Blessed Christmas and Happy, Prosperous and Healthy New Year to 
all! 
Hermano
 
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:51:50 -0800
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas, Feliz Natal, Boas Festas thread
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Merry Christmas and Happy news Year. 

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Liz Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Merry Christmas 

Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 24, 2014, at 10:46 AM, 'João Ventura' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 
João VenturaTerceira

Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 24/12/2014, às 17:36, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com escreveu:

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a creature was 
stirring, excepting a mouse named “E” who wishes all the wonderful people on 
this great list a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR.   Blessing to you 
all.  “E” 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos Paroquiais

[Hermano C. Pires]

Dolores
On the mid right what I see is:
Catarina baptised on 29 January 1672 daughter of Joam (Joao) Correia ? Mesquita 
and Maria Alves.
Hermano
 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos 
 Paroquiais
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 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:06:25 -0800
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 Child of Manoel Gomes and dona C.na de neto or is it de melo? Also what is 
 the child's name? It is the mid right entry. Date is 31 dec 1672?
 Thank you for any help.
 Dolores Vener
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1647-1677/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1647-1677_item1/P133.html
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA is down

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It is working good for me in Canada
Hermano
 
 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:13:21 -0800
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA is down
 
 The CCA registos server is down this morning. Cannot access the site. 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration from Santa Maria - 1898

[Hermano C. Pires]

John
Marion Wilhemina Coelho's original name must have been Mariana (or Marianna) 
Guilhermina Coelho if you looking for information prior to her emigration.
Hope that Helps.
Hermano
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration from Santa Maria - 1898
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:44:56 +







John;  My paternal ancestry is Coelho from Santa Maria.  My grandfather being 
Jose Soares Coelho from Vila do Porto, Santa Maria.  Will you share with me 
what info. you have on Marion Wilhelmina Coelho’s ancestors?   Thanks, Sam in 
Camas, WA

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In researching my wife's maternal grandmother, cannot find out how Marion 
Wilhelmina Coelho arrived in USA. Census records show her immigrating in 1898, 
along with her parents, Francisco and Mary Coelho, and settling in Providence, 
RI. Passenger lists found on the Ancestry site for that time period do not 
include those names. Are there other sources for information about immigration 
from the Azores in the 1890's? Any help will be much appreciated.John BentzEast 
Providence, RI




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twin girls

[Hermano C. Pires]

Just in case you care to know:
Grou (Grouw) is also a town in Holland and there is also a town in the 
continent called Calha do Grou. I must say, as a surname, that is a new one for 
me :))
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:19:40 -0800
From: jmro...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twin girls

The dictionary says its a bird, a crane. They adopted all sorts of nicknames, 
sometimes appropriate and obvious, but other times, who knows why.
JR

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 9:20:36 AM UTC-5, Herb wrote:Thanks Margaret and 
thanks to others who posted on this.  I think this closes the mystery on  my 
Maria Mello and my Gamboa/Grou ancestors. They were from Ponta Garca through 
Nordestinho   I posted on this a few days ago and JR and Richard  and Angela 
responded. Couldn't have done it without their insights and JRs encouragement 
and  tenacity to keep searching.
It's an unusual name Grou isn't it?.  I'm not sure I have ever seen it.  I 
wonder if it's Portuguese in origin?
Herb

 

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:45:03 AM UTC-5, Mara wrote:Herb,
They were born 5 min apart on the 4th day February 1862
The margin note: Victoria passed away in this Parish yesterday.  
I can't make out the exact date but the year was 1938.
Margaret Vicente
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Herb and Judi Silva herba...@verizon.net 
wrote:
Starting on bottom left 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1860-1867/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1860-1867_item1/P79.html
 perhaps someone can make out what it says in the margin.  These were twin 
girls but apparently born days apart.  Did one of them die?  This is 
fascinating to me as twins run in my family on mom's side. This is the line I 
was asking about a few days ago involving my ancestor Francisco Raposo Gamboa 
thanks Herb




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Romeiro Velho

[Hermano C. Pires]

Decio and John
Sorry for butting in but I just happen to have three Manuel da Costa Cabral in 
my file and maybe one of them is the one in question (No. 1 seems to want to 
fit).
1. Manuel da Costa Cabral son of Manuel Romeiro Velho and N. da Costa (b abt 
1610 d. 3 April 1659) m. Francisca Cardoso, daughter of Gaspar Vaz Guedes and 
Francusca Cardoso (in Brasil)
2. Manuel da Costa Cabral, son of No. 1, m. Ana Ribeiro de Alvarenga , daughter 
of Francisco Bicudo de Brito and Tomasia Ribeiro de Alvarenga (in Brasil)
3. Manuel da Costa Cabral, son of Amaro da Costa and Maria Cabral m. 17 
September 1726, N. S. da Estrela Ribeira Grande, Maria do Rego Bladaia daughter 
of Sebastiao do Rego Baldaia and Maria Francisca Lopes (found on page 395 of Vl 
I, Genealogias de S. Miguel e de Santa Maria of Rodrigo Rodrigues). to my 
knowledge this couple had at least three children: Maria, Antonio and Manuel.
I don't have much more than is above.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:32:59 -0800
From: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Romeiro Velho
To: azores@googlegroups.com

This is all I could find; I hope it helps.
John Miranda Raposo

19)   António Marcondes do Amaral, Capitão (§ 9.º N.º 8)

Na obra “Genealogia
Paulistana”, de Luís Gonzaga da Silva Leme, Vol.º VII, pág. 360, se diz que o
“Capitão António Marcondes (sic) do Amaral, natural da Ilha de S. Miguel,
Açores, filho de Dionísio Marcondes, natural de Veneza, que passou a morar na
dita Ilha de S. Miguel, e de Maria Vieira, da dita Ilha, casou em 1741 em
Pindamonhangaba com Maria Madalena, da família dos Costas Cabrais, de que foi
tronco Manuel da Costa Cabral, também natural da Ilha de S. Miguel, tio de
Gaspar da Costa Columbreiro, a quem foi passado Brazão de Armas em 1709,
registado em 1762 na Câmara de S. Paulo”. Diz a mesma obra, locasou
Citestamento, que o capitão António Marcondes do Amaral, comandando a sumaca
“S. Boaventura”, em viagem do Rio de Janeiro para o Sul, naufragou a 7.3.1738,
dando à costa nas praias do Bujuru, doze léguas a Norte da barra do Rio Grande
do Sul; daqui veio por terra a S. Paulo e casou-se em Pindamonhangaba, como
fica dito.

Teve da primeira mulher
sete filhos, que constam do seu inventário feito m 1786, existente no Cartório
dos Órfãos daquela cidade. Todos os seus numerosos descendentes usam o apelido
Marcondes, e não Marcone, que é como está escrito o nome do pai Dionísio
Marcone no registo paroquial da Achadinha Contudo, no Livro da Alfândega de
Ponta Delgada de 1727 a 1812, a folhas 65, está uma sentença de 9.1.1732 a
favor de Nicolau Maria Caneva contra Dionísio Marcondes (sic).

 

 On Monday, November 10, 2014 9:30 AM, 'Decio Medeiros' via Azores 
Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi John,Thanks for you 
help.Would you please check the index o Rodrigo Rodrigues' books to see if 
there is any Manuel da Costa Cabral.Best regards,Decio MedeirosEm 09/11/2014, 
às 20:01, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com 
escreveu:Dear Mr. Medeiros:The source is Rodrigo Rodrigues: 

CAPÍTULO 33.º: DA DESCENDÊNCIA
DE FERNÃO VELHO:  § 8.º N.º6.No other spouse is mentioned, only the one wife 
and one child. I hope this helps. Let me know if I can be of any further 
assistance.John Miranda Raposo

   On Sunday, November 9, 2014 1:04 PM, Decio Medeiros via Gmail 
deciomedei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John Miranda Raposo,Search the internet 
I found this
 message:https://www.mail-archive.com/azores@googlegroups.com/msg05202.htmlIn 
this old message, dated 14 jan 2010, you mentioned:* Manuel Romeiro Velho, 
capt., married to  Maria Velho de Melo.Would you please check your source (I 
think is Rodrigo Rodrigues) to see ifthere is a second marriage for this Manuel 
Romeiro Velho.If positive, please inform the name of his second wife and their 
children.Best regards,Decio MedeirosSao Paulo, BrasilP.S.: My
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record from 1754

[Hermano C. Pires]

Herb
 
This what I see:
 
9 (May or June) 1754, the previous record was for 22 April and the following 
one was for July
Manuel de Arruda son of Manuel de Atruda and Maria da Costa (deceased and 
buried in S. Jorge, Nordeste) with Maria Cabral daughter of Antonio Cabral de 
Araujo and Barbara de Oliveira all of S. Jorge, Nordeste.
Hermano
 
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 14:48:39 -0800
From: herbandj...@verizon.net
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record from 1754


 
record of my Arruda ancestor, a direct line to my 
mother. Right side
 
To me this looks like a wedding on 9 April 1754 in Matriz  of Nordeste which 
is Sao Jorge.  the 
groom was Manuel Arruda and the bride was Maria Cabral Araujo
 
The father of the groom might have been either Manuel or Francisco Arruda and 
the mother was Barbara da Silveira
   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1744-1755/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1744-1755_item1/P74.html
 
thanks in advance for any help.

 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with phrase on Felicianno de Mello's obito

[Hermano C. Pires]

I think that you have mostly tropa de linha,  iine soldier.
According to what you have said he must have had a military carreer or at least 
he served his full term.
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 11:25:31 -0800
From: islandrou...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with phrase on Felicianno de Mello's obito

I have found my 3rd great grandfather's obito in Maia, Ribeira Grande, 1884.  
It is image #7, #17 for Felicianno de Mello:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-O-1880-1889/SMG-RG-MAIA-O-1880-1889_item1/P98.html

I need help with the phrase after his name.  It starts veterano ___ de 
linha.  Second word looks like catropa.  I know that he was a soldier in a 
battalion on the island from records from the 1830s, so I assume that this is 
what it refers to.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for baptism date

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Herb
Here is what I see regarding your question:
27 May 1790
Antonio Cabral son of Manuel de Arruda (darruda) and Maria Cabral with Maria de 
Pimentel daughter of Manuel Carreiro (deceased) and Antonia de Pimentel . 
Paraphrasing all are from S. Jorge Nordeste.
I have never seem batismal dates in a wedding record before, but here it is: 
Antonio was baptised on 1 june 1760 and Maria was babtised on 3 February 1760.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:40:29 -0800
From: herbandj...@verizon.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for baptism date

Hello
Can anyone make out the groom ( Antonio Arruda) and bride's ( Maria Pimentel) 
baptism dates in this record.  It looks like maybe it was sometime in  June 
1760? Couldn't be 1770 could it?.  Looks like it was written as  cecenta. 
Hard to make out the day in June though.  Thanks..Herb
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815_item1/P50.html




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Note Margin - Marriage Record - Rabo de Peixe Marriage Record

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They recieved the pastor's blessing in 16 jan 1842.
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:25:16 -0700
From: shorts...@suddenlink.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Note Margin - Marriage Record - Rabo de Peixe 
Marriage Record

Can some one decipher the margin note for the marriage record of:
 
Francisco Pachdo de Mello and Ela Thomazia (left page), married on December 
13?, 1841.
 
He was the son of Jeronimo Ignacio Pacheno and Rosa Jacinta
She was the daughter of Manoel Francisco Rapozo and Matilde Ricarda
 
I can see the date of what looks like December 1862 (or 1842) in the note 
margin and may be speaking of someones death?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1829-1845/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1829-1845_item1/P164.html
 
Thank you in advance.
 
Any help/information greatly appreciated.
 
Lee Estep
Charleston WV




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe

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Lee
 
The attached comprises a couple of generations back (from Ana Joquina) and 
forwad as shown.
I had a look at Ana's baptism record and it wasn't a lot of help.
Hope this helps.
Would love to see how we connect.
Hermano
 
 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 20:03:42 -0700
 From: shorts...@suddenlink.net
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe
 
 Hermano -
 
 I would appreciate any information on Anna Joaquina.  I'm not sure yet if she 
 and Anna de Jesus Tavares are the same person yet, but strongly think they 
 may be.  I've found very few Maiatos in Rabo so far.
 
 By chance, did Anna Joaquina have a sister named Joaquina Iganacia who 
 married Joao da Costa Maiato?  They had a daughter Marianna born October 29, 
 1857.  The record states Joaquina is the daughter of Francisco Tavares de 
 Brum and Umbelina Rosa.  Joao da Cista Maiato is listed as the son of Manoel 
 da Costa Maiato and Quiteria de Jesus.
 
 All that I know so far is that Ventura Pacheco de Mello was born in March 
 1885 (the 3rd, I think) the son of Francisco Oacheco de Mello and Rita de 
 Jesus.  Maternal grandparents were Manoel da Costa Maiato and Ana de Jesus 
 Tavares (Anna Joaquina?).  Paternal of Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Helena 
 Isabel (or as I've found so far Helena Isabel, Elena Isabel, Elena Rosa AND 
 as Elena Thomazia!! Her name is driving me crazy  lol).
 
 I think you are correct that when Francisco de Mekko and Rosa married in 1911 
 it may have been a second marriage for both.
 
 Lee
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe

[Hermano C. Pires]

Lee
 
Ana Joaquina is my 4th cousing 4 times removed, so I have some information on 
them if you are interested.
Thanks for the heads up on Rosa for whom I had nothing. By the way the notation 
on the margin may well be for a second wedding for both of them (I don't know, 
just guessing).
I do have some information on her brothers Jose, Francisco and Manuel.
About brothers and sisters-in-law marrying late in life I would say... never 
assume.
 
Hermano
 
From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 21:02:50 -0400

Rosa daughter of Manuel da Costa Maiato and Anna Joaquina Paternal Antonio da 
Costa Maiato and Antonia TavaresMaternal Francisco Tavares de Brum (de functo) 
and Umbelina RosaBorn 27 December 1854 and Baptized on 28 Dec   Rick Richard 
Francis PimentelEpping, NH  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:33 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe Can I possibly get 
a second pair of eyes to take a look a the birth record of Rosa (lop, left) 
Rosa, daughter of Manoel  da Costa Maiato and Anna Joaquina?, born December 27, 
1854 Paternal of C and Antonia TavaresMaternal of Francisco Tavares? de 
Brum and Umbelina Rosa Can someone please confirm the names of the parents and 
grandparents? Note in margin: refers to marriage to Francisco Pacheco de Mello 
June 22, 1911 (he would have been about 58 years of age; his birth is image 
#60, left side;  in this same book).  The really interesting part is the couple 
that my cousins descends form are Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Ana Tavares 
whose parents on their sons baptismal record are Manoel da Costa Maiato and Ana 
de Jesus Tavares.  Francisco (Image 60, left side) has the same reference of 
marriage.  I'm wondering if brother and sister-in-law married each other late 
in life. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1851-1857/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1851-1857_item1/P123.html
 Any and all help/suggestions in regard to the above greatly appreciated. Lee 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin

[Hermano C. Pires]

You are welcome!
Now go get him!.   :)
Hermano
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:54:20 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano!  I'm amazed!!  Thank you so much.  I'm tickled pink!!!

Maria Elena 
On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote:




Maria Lima
I believe that the link below will take you there!
Good hunting and God Bless.
Hermano
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899_item1/P285.html

 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:59:00 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you for all the help on this.  Hermano, it helped me realize that a 
margin note even if it's within the 100 year rule, is valid.  I'm grateful for 
that info.  Now I can see if I find a marriage. 

Maria Elena 
On Oct 22, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote:




Maria Elena
The year is 1942.
Noobits on-line, because of the 100? year privacy rules, but a notaion as this 
one is valid.
Hermano

 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:07:55 -0700
From: porti...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin

Hello, a bit off topic, I have recent images of San Pedro, Ponta Delgada. My 
randfather was Baptised  San Pedro and I visited church Sept. Let me know 
if you would like me to post images, Barbara

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote:
On lower left, for GIL
Can anyone decipher the year this individual (GIL) died.  I read he died in the 
parish of Sao Sebastao in Ponta Delgada and something about a fee and then a 
date  but I can't figure out if it says 4 June !(?) the year.(At first I 
thought it said 1941 but I hope I'm wrong because there are no obits for that 
year on the CCA. ) 

 Any help would be appreciated.   Thank you.
(I sent this email before but forgot to include the link.)  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P622.html


Maria Elena 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin

[Hermano C. Pires]

Maria Lima
I believe that the link below will take you there!
Good hunting and God Bless.
Hermano
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899_item1/P285.html
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:59:00 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you for all the help on this.  Hermano, it helped me realize that a 
margin note even if it's within the 100 year rule, is valid.  I'm grateful for 
that info.  Now I can see if I find a marriage. 

Maria Elena 
On Oct 22, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote:




Maria Elena
The year is 1942.
Noobits on-line, because of the 100? year privacy rules, but a notaion as this 
one is valid.
Hermano

 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:07:55 -0700
From: porti...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin

Hello, a bit off topic, I have recent images of San Pedro, Ponta Delgada. My 
randfather was Baptised  San Pedro and I visited church Sept. Let me know 
if you would like me to post images, Barbara

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote:
On lower left, for GIL
Can anyone decipher the year this individual (GIL) died.  I read he died in the 
parish of Sao Sebastao in Ponta Delgada and something about a fee and then a 
date  but I can't figure out if it says 4 June !(?) the year.(At first I 
thought it said 1941 but I hope I'm wrong because there are no obits for that 
year on the CCA. ) 

 Any help would be appreciated.   Thank you.
(I sent this email before but forgot to include the link.)  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P622.html


Maria Elena 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin

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Maria Elena
The year is 1942.
Noobits on-line, because of the 100? year privacy rules, but a notaion as this 
one is valid.
Hermano
 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:07:55 -0700
From: porti...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin

Hello, a bit off topic, I have recent images of San Pedro, Ponta Delgada. My 
randfather was Baptised  San Pedro and I visited church Sept. Let me know 
if you would like me to post images, Barbara

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote:
On lower left, for GIL
Can anyone decipher the year this individual (GIL) died.  I read he died in the 
parish of Sao Sebastao in Ponta Delgada and something about a fee and then a 
date  but I can't figure out if it says 4 June !(?) the year.(At first I 
thought it said 1941 but I hope I'm wrong because there are no obits for that 
year on the CCA. ) 

 Any help would be appreciated.   Thank you.
(I sent this email before but forgot to include the link.)  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P622.html


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Possible island of Santa Maria Connection

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The reference is to the groom who was batised in the Matriz of Nossa Senhora da 
Assuncao, Ilha de Santa Maria.
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:29:12 -0700
From: herbandj...@verizon.net
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Possible island of Santa Maria Connection

Is anyone able to confirm, (right side record) that the parents of the groom 
were from Nordeste for the father and island of Santa Maria for the mother? Or 
are my eyes playing tricks on me? Thank you Herb
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1796-1805/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1796-1805_item1/P108.html




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Possible island of Santa Maria Connection

[Hermano C. Pires]

Good hunting!
Hermano
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Possible island of Santa Maria Connection
From: herbandj...@verizon.net
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:57:50 -0400
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thank you Hermano. I think this is a first for me, an ancestor from Santa 
Maria. I have some from Terceira
Thanks 
Herb 

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On Oct 22, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote:




The reference is to the groom who was batised in the Matriz of Nossa Senhora da 
Assuncao, Ilha de Santa Maria.
Hermano

 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:29:12 -0700
From: herbandj...@verizon.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Possible island of Santa Maria Connection

Is anyone able to confirm, (right side record) that the parents of the groom 
were from Nordeste for the father and island of Santa Maria for the mother? Or 
are my eyes playing tricks on me? Thank you Herb
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1796-1805/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1796-1805_item1/P108.html




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rabo de Peixe Baptism Record grandparents

[Hermano C. Pires]

Fred
I read that the paternal grands were not known and that the maternal were 
Valerio do Sacramento and Miquelina Rosa.
Heermano
 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:09:27 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rabo de Peixe Baptism Record grandparents
From: festrella...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I need help with the grand parents names for Manuel, record #40, starting on 
left side and then over to right.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P237.html

Thanks in advance,
Fred





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

[Hermano C. Pires]

The notation refers to a certificate being extracted on 6 Sep 1875.
Hermano
 
From: audiosource...@qwestoffice.net
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 07:51:44 -0700

I am curious about the margin note under Manuel's name. Does it indicate that 
he married in 1875? And where? I have found his passport application in 1880 
that indicates he was married at that time, so I believe he married before he 
emigrated to Hawaii. Manuel, right side, bottom 
entryhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1850-1860/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1850-1860_item1/P97.html
 Thanks for any help,Erica Botelho




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] note on side margin

[Hermano C. Pires]

Maria Elena, 
I read 15 June 1942.
Hermano
 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] note on side margin
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:32:18 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com


On lower left, for GIL
Can anyone decipher the year this individual (GIL) died.  I read he died in the 
parish of Sao Sebastao in Ponta Delgada and something about a fee and then a 
date  but I can't figure out if it says 4 June !(?) the year.(At first I 
thought it said 1941 but I hope I'm wrong because there are no obits for that 
year on the CCA. ) 

 Any help would be appreciated.   Thank you.
(I sent this email before but forgot to include the link.)  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P622.html


Maria Elena 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Maia marriage

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Herb
 
Here is what I can make out:
You have the date right!
Jose de Sousa son of Manuel de Sousa (Banavides) Benevides (the B is similar to 
the B in Baptism) and Ursula (Urcela) de Viveiros residents in N. S. da 
Apresenacao, Capelas where the groom was baptised  with Teresa de Viveiros 
daughter of Manuel de Sousa Travassos and Teresa de Viveiros, resirents in 
Divino Espirito Santo, Maia where the bride was baptised.
You had most of it! That is my two cents worth. Hope it helps.
Hermano
 
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Maia marriage
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:43:22 +

Name is Rego, I guess. De: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb
Enviada: sábado, 18 de Outubro de 2014 16:44
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Maia marriage  Hi Would appreciate if 
someone could put a second set of eyes on this record of the marriage of my 8th 
great grandparents Jose de Souza and Theresa de Viveiros. Right side of page.  
As best as I an make out they were married on 8 Sep 1749 in Maia and the groom 
was the son of Manuel de Souza who was from Capellas. After that it becomes 
difficult to make out any additional information. I see some references to 
quaresma and baptism which is fairly standard language on most marriages of 
that time It also appears that Theresa de Viveiros was the daughter of another 
Manuel de Souza ? but I cant make it out.  The last name appears to start 
with the letter F.  Could it be Manuel de Souza Francisco?  This is one of the 
tougher ones for me but I am grateful that I can see the names of the bride and 
groom, which is a wonderful thing.  Thanks in advance for any assistance.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1742-1761/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1742-1761_item1/P43.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] FELICIANO

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That is pretty sketchy. Any details?
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:19:26 -0700
From: harryquini...@gmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] FELICIANO

Searching for info on Joao Feliciano  family from San Miguel, Azores in late 
1800s to Hawaii.





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with childs name in Baptism - Graciosa

[Hermano C. Pires]

Although not commmon, it looks like Selinda to me (based on the Priest's 
signature et bottom).
Hermano
 
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:45:35 -0700
From: shorts...@suddenlink.net
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with childs name in Baptism - Graciosa

Oops!  I goofedI meant the one on the left bottom; not the top.  Sorry 
about that. It's too early here at the office!
On Friday, October 17, 2014 7:56:55 AM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:The name is Anna.  Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, NH  From: 
azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:23 AM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with childs name in Baptism - Graciosa I am 
trying to figure out the name of the child in the attached record: (top, left 
page) 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1847-1859/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1847-1859_item1/P133.html
 It looks like Selinda?  daughter of Antonio Correia de Mendonca and Maria 
Perpetua born ?? September 19859Paterna of Franciso Antonio de Mendonca and D. 
Florida Baptista Materna of Manuel Antonio de Mendonca and Anna Joaquina 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Synagogue Ponta Delgada

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Don't know the answer to the first part of yuor question. As for the location, 
you can do a Google search for Rua do Brum and a map for its approx. location 
will pop up.
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:49:16 -0700
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Synagogue Ponta Delgada



Thanks Barbara great link. Does anyone known what the plans for Synagogue is 
after restoration and what area of Ponta Delgada is it located? 



On Sunday, October 12, 2014 10:43:16 AM UTC-7, Barbara Bluhm wrote:I am happy 
to report that the synagogue in Ponta Delgada is actively being restored. The 
facade fits with the architecture of the street but stands out uniquely with 
its yellow trim color. As we walked by,there were workmen inside sawing away. 
No identifying marks on building other than the number over the door. Here as 
well as Horta , we were unable to visit the Jewish cemetery which is located 
way outside the city near the airport, I understand that gate is locked. 
This link is to a very interesting article regarding synagogue Ponta Delgada
https://notevenpast.org/a-hidden-jewish-archive-in-the-azores/
Peace, Barbara







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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record from Santa Cruz, Lagoa, of Sebastiao de Mello and Maria da Rocha

[Hermano C. Pires]

Pleased to make your acquaintances cousins John and Fred.
These are may ancestors as well and thanks john for corroborating all the 
information I have on them.Hermano
 
 
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:37:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record from Santa Cruz, 
Lagoa, of Sebastiao de Mello and Maria da Rocha
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John, this is wonderful...thanks so much for this information!

Fred

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:20 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:
These are my ancestors and my records reflect the following:
Sebastião de Melo, baptized in Dec 1686 in N. Sra. da Purificação, Santa Maria, 
son of Manuel de Melo Viegas and Isabel Velho, married in Santa Cruz on 10 May 
1721 to Maria Rocha, daughter of Manuel Martins and Maria Rocha (m. S.C.14 Oct 
1697) paternal granddaughter of João Delgado and Catarina Martins of Água de 
Pau and maternal granddaughter of Francisco Luiz and Maria da Rocha.(m. S. C.
 3-3-1667)
Francisco Luiz is the son of Amador Luiz and Ana Furtado (m. S.C. 24 Dec 1639), 
paternal grandson of António Rodrigues and Maria Luiz of Santa Cruz, maternal 
grandson of Sebastião Curvelo and Cataina Dias of Vila Franca do Campo. 
Sebastião Curvelo might be the son of Pedro Curvelo  ( d. after 4 Oct 1645) and 
Maria Vultoa, both of VFC, and paternal grandson of Baltazar Curvelo o Gago and 
Inês de Fontes of S. Maria.
 These lines fo back further in Frutuoso and Rodrigo Rodrigues.
Maria Rocha (wife of Francisco Luiz) is the daughter of Matias Lopes and 
Bárbara da Rocha of Santa Cruz.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo
 

 On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:06 AM, Fred Estrella 
festrella...@gmail.com wrote:


 I'm having trouble with two issues relating to Sebastiao de Mello's parents. I 
read his father's name as Manuel de Mello and his mother Isabel
 last name ?  The second issue is where Sebastiao's parents are from: it looks 
like the chruch of Santa Maria but I don't understand the rest. Any help is 
appreciated.

Here's the URL, the record is at top of page: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1688-1730/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1688-1730_item1/P135.html

Fred




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813

[Hermano C. Pires]

They buried him in the Santa Casa da Misericordia de Vila Franca
Hermano
 
From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:05:54 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813
To: Azores@googlegroups.com

Right record:
http://goo.gl/1KXPb0

15 Aug 1813
Manuel Furado, married to Marianna da Piedade, church of Nossa Senhora da 
Piedade in Ponta Garca
Was buried in the church of What?  It's that 7th line where the squished in 
Vila Franca
60 years of age
More stuff and ends with Vila Franca.

For some reason, I think they buried him in Vila Franca.  He was born at Sao 
Miguel Arcanjo (Matriz) in Vila Franca.
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

[Hermano C. Pires]

I recomend caution with this surname because there are many Galantes from 
Lagoa, S. Miguel who have used as a surname for a few generations.
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 22:55:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, 
Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?
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Sounds like an alcunha to me.  Galante means elegant, graceful, chivalrous.
Nancy

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.com

Joao Louiz Parreira Galante located at: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P18.html.
 Same situation. would 'Galante' be an alcunha, or a surname?





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

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Most of mine are from Lagoa, S. Miguel.
I do have some from Terceira which includes a Jose Goncalves Parreira who was 
born in Ribeirinhas abt. 1759 and married a Francisca Candida de Menese 
(Menezes) Vieira 15 sep 1821 in Conceicao, Angra, Terceira.
 
 
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:39:34 -0700
From: anthonyamarti...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

From what I know, they are from Ribeirinhas.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:56:26 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:


Anthony
What vilage are your Parreiras from?
Hermano

 
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700
From: antoni...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

Nancy,

Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows 
could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao 
Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years 
later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas 
that I have heard is Bolor which means mold.

Antonio



On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:I've 
been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I 
haven't found anything related to this question.
My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for 
families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio 
Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to 
be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 
'Ilhars'.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

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Anthony
What vilage are your Parreiras from?
Hermano
 
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:12:11 -0700
From: antoniof1...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

Nancy,

Interesting that you also have the alcunha Bonito in your family, who knows 
could be a connection. I am convinced that Pico received settlers from Sao 
Miguel not during the initial settlement process but probably 100-150 years 
later when they began developing their vineyards. One of the strangest alcunhas 
that I have heard is Bolor which means mold.

Antonio



On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:I've 
been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I 
haven't found anything related to this question.
My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for 
families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio 
Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to 
be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 
'Ilhars'.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - Gineties, Sao Miguel

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Altino
Pedro Martins turco por alcunha.
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:27:56 -0700
From: man...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
CC: demelo.alt...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - Gineties, Sao Miguel

Altino,
It's tanoeiro, cooper.
Manoel

Em domingo, 7 de setembro de 2014 19h00min35s UTC-3, Altino  escreveu:Hi Lee,
Pedro Martins Viera's marriage to Luzia Carreiro can be found 06 Feb 1692 in 
Feteiras 
here:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FETEIRAS-C-1621-1693/SMG-PD-FETEIRAS-C-1621-1693_item1/P76.html

Pedro is the son of Pedro Martins (Turcogar--i don't know what this profession 
means or if this is an alcunha) and Ana de Sá. Luzia is the daughter of Manuel 
da Costa (Tanoeiro--I don't know what this profession means or if this is an 
alcunha) and Maria Pavoas
Perhaps someone can help with translation of these professions. 

   
  




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Obitos from Fenais da Luz, Ponta Delgada - Izabel Cordeira

[Hermano C. Pires]

My two cents worth:
I can see 27  1776. Based on the fact that the previous record is for the 
27 de Abril de 1776 and the one following is for 5 de Junho de 1776 and also 
that the word for the month although very faint, does not resemble de previous 
record for Abril I would tend to say that the date could be 27 de Maio de 1776.
Isabel Cordeira (68 anos) casada com Antonio de Medeiros dos Montes .
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:52:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Obitos from Fenais da Luz, Ponta 
Delgada - Izabel Cordeira
From: pamsanto...@gmail.com
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27 April? 1776
68 years old

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Can someone please help with the death record of Izabel Cordeira, wife of 
Antonio de Medeiros da Costa?  (right page, top)
 It looks like she died in June? 1776 - I cannot make out the day at all.  The 
year I had to get from the record below. 
Unfortunately, I also can't find her age in the record. Any help, etc. GREATLY 
appreciated.  This is a tough for me. 
Thank you in advance to any/all!  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-O-1769-1788/SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-O-1769-1788_item1/P78.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Sebastiao Baptism 1689

[Hermano C. Pires]

Rick.
My two cents worth:
Maria was found abandoned in a field by Simao Teixeira and baptised by him for 
being weak. the priest the acertained tha Maria was bpatised properly  on the 
date on the first line and given to the care of Maria Correia wife of Andre 
Teixeira.
Hermano
 
From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Sebastiao Baptism 1689
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:59:19 -0700









Rick, I think that the names of the parents start at the end of line #2, 
Simao de Teixeira?? and Izabel  ?? residents of this village. Perhaps the 
Maria Correia wife of Andre Teixeira is the godmother. I can't really make more 
out than that. 
 
Rosemarie 


 

From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 4:21 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Sebastiao Baptism 
1689
 


Hi
 
I found this 
baptism and recognize that the format is not the same as others. Maria is 
baptized on 25 Sep 1689 The names of what I believe is the parents is at the 
bottom (Maria Correia wife of Andre Teixeira) But what I cannot find it the 
word 
Filha in the record. Was Maria a foundling and give to the care of Maria 
Correia?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1686-1703/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1686-1703_item1/P107.html
  
middle record (Maria)
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis 
Pimentel
Epping, 
NH
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos Paroquiais Grandmothers missing record

[Hermano C. Pires]

My Two cents worth
4/6-X (4 jun3 1910, this based on other such numbers ) could be the date in 
which the postscript was entered, and could it be the date of her marriage, or 
there abouts?
The date of her birth was 7 December 1889.
Hope that is of help.
Hermano
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos 
 Paroquiais Grandmothers missing record
 From: djve...@sbcglobal.net
 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 09:14:35 -0700
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 My Grandmother Virginia Serpa Bettencourt bap wasn't anywhere. In searching 
 years before and after years I found this. She was not entered in Dec 1889. 
 The uminho people even missed this postscript mention which only gives birth 
 date. She always said dec 10, 1889. Does anyone know what the no below mean 
 (4/5-X)?
 Thank you for any help.
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1874-1895/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-B-1874-1895_item1/P87.html
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!

[Hermano C. Pires]

The name most certainly must be Algarvio. I have in my database a few 
variations of that name; do Rego Algarvio, de Medeiros Algarvio, Tavares 
Algarvio, Pacheco Tavares Algarvio, Nunes Algarvio, to name a few.
Although most of mine are from Lagoa, they can be found elsewhere.
Sorry that I don't have you Antonio Pacheco Algarvio.
Hermano
 
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:13:33 -0700
From: insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna 
Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!

Rats!  My post from last night disappeared.  Trying again...

JR, I forget sometimes that you all haven't come along on this journey with my 
for the last 25 years.  I originally thought the family added Algarvia 
(Algrava, Algarva, etc.) to coincide with my great grandfather's escape to 
California.  In 1906, he was diagnosed with leprosy and marked for deportation 
to Molokai.  He was smuggled out of Hawaii with the help of family.  His family 
used the surname Smith and some of the others began using Algrava/Algarva.

My whole theory was blown when a cousin produced a copy of Antonio Pacheco's 
Santo Antonio Society membership certificate.  It's dated 1903 (well before the 
leprosy date) and his name was given as Antonio Pacheco Algarvia.  

I will go through the1856-1863 in Algarvia and see if they pop up.  If not, I 
will then determine my ancestors were pranksters that loved sending me on a 
wild goose chase ;)

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:39:27 AM UTC-7, JR wrote:Of course, you just gave 
cited a clue by using the name Algarvia. It is possible they went and lived in 
Algarvia and thus the nickname Algarvia. I have ancestors that lived in three 
places. It depends on the circumstances of what lands they owned, or where the 
work was. So try looking in Algarvia for Antonio and all baptisms between 1856 
and 1860!








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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Thanks. I'll have to keep that variation in mind :))
Hermano
 
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:18:39 -0700
From: insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna 
Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!

Hermano,
Thanks for checking!   I'm not sure of the original spelling. I know the 
descendants predominantly used Algrava or Algarva in California and  I have 
never found anyone using those two variations in the US who were not related to 
me. According to my own research it does not appear in any of my lines in 
Fenais da Vera Cruz or Achada use either Algarvia/Algarvio alone or as a 
compound surname.  I've covered the 1700s to 1882.  I believe that Antonio 
tacked in on when he got to Hawaii and then his brothers followed when they got 
to California between 1907 and 1920.  As they were illiterate it's any guess 
what their true intent was.  Their descendants used Pacheco, Algrava, or 
Algarva.


On Monday, August 11, 2014 11:46:01 AM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:


The name most certainly must be Algarvio. I have in my database a few 
variations of that name; do Rego Algarvio, de Medeiros Algarvio, Tavares 
Algarvio, Pacheco Tavares Algarvio, Nunes Algarvio, to name a few.
Although most of mine are from Lagoa, they can be found elsewhere.
Sorry that I don't have you Antonio Pacheco Algarvio.
Hermano
 
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:13:33 -0700
From: insearchofth...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna 
Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!

Rats!  My post from last night disappeared.  Trying again...

JR, I forget sometimes that you all haven't come along on this journey with my 
for the last 25 years.  I originally thought the family added Algarvia 
(Algrava, Algarva, etc.) to coincide with my great grandfather's escape to 
California.  In 1906, he was diagnosed with leprosy and marked for deportation 
to Molokai.  He was smuggled out of Hawaii with the help of family.  His family 
used the surname Smith and some of the others began using Algrava/Algarva.

My whole theory was blown when a cousin produced a copy of Antonio Pacheco's 
Santo Antonio Society membership certificate.  It's dated 1903 (well before the 
leprosy date) and his name was given as Antonio Pacheco Algarvia.  

I will go through the1856-1863 in Algarvia and see if they pop up.  If not, I 
will then determine my ancestors were pranksters that loved sending me on a 
wild goose chase ;)

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:39:27 AM UTC-7, JR wrote:Of course, you just gave 
cited a clue by using the name Algarvia. It is possible they went and lived in 
Algarvia and thus the nickname Algarvia. I have ancestors that lived in three 
places. It depends on the circumstances of what lands they owned, or where the 
work was. So try looking in Algarvia for Antonio and all baptisms between 1856 
and 1860!








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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Thanks Eliseu
I happen to have a few of those in my database.  :))
Hermano
 
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna 
Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:41:14 +

Hi!Just to let you know that there are Medeiros Algarvio from Ribeira Seca, 
Ribeira Grande, S. Miguel Eliseu De: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de IslandRoutes
Enviada: segunda-feira, 11 de Agosto de 2014 21:19
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna 
Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC! Hermano,
Thanks for checking!   I'm not sure of the original spelling. I know the 
descendants predominantly used Algrava or Algarva in California and  I have 
never found anyone using those two variations in the US who were not related to 
me. According to my own research it does not appear in any of my lines in 
Fenais da Vera Cruz or Achada use either Algarvia/Algarvio alone or as a 
compound surname.  I've covered the 1700s to 1882.  I believe that Antonio 
tacked in on when he got to Hawaii and then his brothers followed when they got 
to California between 1907 and 1920.  As they were illiterate it's any guess 
what their true intent was.  Their descendants used Pacheco, Algrava, or 
Algarva.


On Monday, August 11, 2014 11:46:01 AM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:The name 
most certainly must be Algarvio. I have in my database a few variations of 
that name; do Rego Algarvio, de Medeiros Algarvio, Tavares Algarvio, Pacheco 
Tavares Algarvio, Nunes Algarvio, to name a few.
Although most of mine are from Lagoa, they can be found elsewhere.
Sorry that I don't have you Antonio Pacheco Algarvio.
Hermano
 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:13:33 -0700
From: insearchofth...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gr Gr Grandparents Jacinto Pacheco and Anna 
Jacinta de Mello marr found in FVC!Rats!  My post from last night disappeared.  
Trying again...

JR, I forget sometimes that you all haven't come along on this journey with my 
for the last 25 years.  I originally thought the family added Algarvia 
(Algrava, Algarva, etc.) to coincide with my great grandfather's escape to 
California.  In 1906, he was diagnosed with leprosy and marked for deportation 
to Molokai.  He was smuggled out of Hawaii with the help of family.  His family 
used the surname Smith and some of the others began using Algrava/Algarva.

My whole theory was blown when a cousin produced a copy of Antonio Pacheco's 
Santo Antonio Society membership certificate.  It's dated 1903 (well before the 
leprosy date) and his name was given as Antonio Pacheco Algarvia.  

I will go through the1856-1863 in Algarvia and see if they pop up.  If not, I 
will then determine my ancestors were pranksters that loved sending me on a 
wild goose chase ;)

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:39:27 AM UTC-7, JR wrote:Of course, you just gave 
cited a clue by using the name Algarvia. It is possible they went and lived in 
Algarvia and thus the nickname Algarvia. I have ancestors that lived in three 
places. It depends on the circumstances of what lands they owned, or where the 
work was. So try looking in Algarvia for Antonio and all baptisms between 1856 
and 1860! 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria side margin translation help please..

[Hermano C. Pires]

Sam
Here is what I can make out:
o individuo a que se refer este registro de nome Maria Jose Soares no estado de 
viuva de Antonio Tavares do Rego faleceu nesta freguesia aos vinte do mes 
corrente. Vila do Porto 21/4/932
 The person refered to in this record, named Maria Jose Soares, widow of 
Antonio Tavares do Rego died in this vilage(sic) on the 20th of the current 
month. Vila do Porto, April 21, 1932.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria side margin translation help please..
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:10:19 +









Anyone have a clue what the side margin says on this one.  I've translated the 
body of the document but; can't begin to read the side margin.  Right hand 
page, Maria.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1853-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1853-1860_item1/P14.html
 Thanks in advance, Sam in NC

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

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Hi Pam
The Amador Roiz that you see is the priest.
Records for this time period mostly didn't show parents names.
Rick is right the year is 1542, however I ake the day as 26. The two xx's 
(roman numerals) before the seis makes it so.
Hermano 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:00:50 -0400

The date looks like 6 Dec 1542 (If you used the year in the record below a 
closer look you can see it is a 4 and not a 7).  You are right this is a hard 
one. Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, NH  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pam Santos
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation I need help with this record. What I 
can  get is the marriage took place in Dec 1572. It looks like a Amador Roiz is 
one of there fathers.  top left page for Thome Vaz and Catharina Martins. 
Thanks in advance. I have not looked at these early records in along time so my 
eyes are not getting it.  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Santa Maria

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The godparents are indeed uncle and aunt of the baptised (maternal).
By the way the priest may also be a member of this family (my own comente).
The right margin notes refer to certificates (copies) being made and the left 
margin I believe refers to Antonio Soares Coelho's death on 18 January 1925 
(registered 19 january 1925, Vila do Porto?). I can't make out where other than 
I think that I see Sao Pedro.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Santa Maria
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:31:51 +







http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1853/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1853_item1/P23.html
Left hand page, top Antonio

I think I've got most all of the body of the record translated correctly but; 
can anyone check for me to see if towards the bottom it says the witnesses were 
tios the uncles?

Also, I can see that the right side margin lists some dates, I think I see 8 
August 1864 and 30 June 1870 along with the priest's name: Mello but; I can't 
read what those dates are referring to.  

And I can't make out any of what is written in the left margin.  Any and all 
help is much appreciated.  Sam in NC


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Santa Maria

[Hermano C. Pires]

The godparents are indeed uncle and aunt of the baptised (maternal).
By the way the priest may also be a member of this family (my own coment).
The right margin notes refer to certificates (copies) being made and the left 
margin I believe refers to Antonio Soares Coelho's death on 18 January 1925 
(registered 29 january 1925, Vila do Porto?). I can't make out where other than 
I think that I see Sao Pedro.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Santa Maria
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:31:51 +







http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1853/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1853_item1/P23.html
Left hand page, top Antonio

I think I've got most all of the body of the record translated correctly but; 
can anyone check for me to see if towards the bottom it says the witnesses were 
tios the uncles?

Also, I can see that the right side margin lists some dates, I think I see 8 
August 1864 and 30 June 1870 along with the priest's name: Mello but; I can't 
read what those dates are referring to.  

And I can't make out any of what is written in the left margin.  Any and all 
help is much appreciated.  Sam in NC


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Santa Maria

[Hermano C. Pires]

The certificate notations do not usually state the reason.
Some of the reasons may be: passport, identity booklet (pre present), identity 
card, marriage and as many as the judicial would deem needed.
 
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Indeed, it does help Hermano, thank you.  Usually, I have not seen notations of 
certificates being made.  Was there a reason stated?
Yes, I noticed that the priest seems to be in this same line.  Guess I'll have 
to find his birth too!
As always, thanks for your help, Sam

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From: Hermano C. Pires
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To: azores@googlegroups.com
The godparents are indeed uncle and aunt of the baptised (maternal).
By the way the priest may also be a member of this family (my own coment).
The right margin notes refer to certificates (copies) being made and the left 
margin I believe refers to Antonio Soares Coelho's death on 18 January 1925 
(registered 29 january 1925, Vila do Porto?). I can't make out where other than 
I think that I see Sao Pedro.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Santa Maria
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:31:51 +







http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1853/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1853_item1/P23.html
Left hand page, top Antonio

I think I've got most all of the body of the record translated correctly but; 
can anyone check for me to see if towards the bottom it says the witnesses were 
tios the uncles?

Also, I can see that the right side margin lists some dates, I think I see 8 
August 1864 and 30 June 1870 along with the priest's name: Mello but; I can't 
read what those dates are referring to.  

And I can't make out any of what is written in the left margin.  Any and all 
help is much appreciated.  Sam in NC


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] emigration from Sao Jorge

[Hermano C. Pires]

She could have been hired and sponsored by someone.
Just one of a few scenarios.
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 07:53:11 -0700
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] emigration from Sao Jorge

Under what circumstances or conditions would a single female emigrant travel in 
1896 from Sao Jorge via Terceira to Ellis Island?  Would she have been in a 
group, with familiar people, traveling to ultimate destination (California)?  
We've got her passport and ship manifest.  It seems that the group going to 
California received passports and disembarked in New York together, but we 
haven't found family connections between them.

Also, are there any travel records (train perhaps) after leaving Ellis Island, 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Curious about cause of death

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Maria
It does say that she died o repentino ataque sudenly, so she wouldn't have 
made confession nor recieved comunion.
I am sure that she would have recieved the last rites.
Hermano
 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Curious about cause of death
 From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:30:43 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Lower right hand obituary of FLORENCIA ROZA age 36
 
 Does it say she died without the sacrament due to ataque an attack?  
 Any help would be appreciated. 
 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1796-1813/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-O-1796-1813_item1/P273.html
 
 
 Maria Elena 
 
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