[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ten Reasons Why You May Be Disappointed With Your DNA Results

[Leonard Silva]

I was surprised at how little of my DNA was Iberian Peninsula, considering 
that my ancestors came from one tiny village on one small Island in the 
Azores (Covas, Graciosa). 
A genealogist explained to me that for thousands of years, ships from all 
over the world stopped in the Azores, thus influencing the DNA from that 
area. 

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 9:07:37 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
>
> Melody Lassalle does a lot of research of Azoreans to the Hawaiian 
> Islands. She has a blog where she shares a variety of research articles - 
> some are of general interest and aren't necessarily Portuguese-Hawaiian 
> based. Today, she blogged about some reasons people may be disappointed 
> with their DNA results:  https://goo.gl/hbZKNG 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bettencourt

[Leonard Silva]

I missed the census record for one of my ancestors because it showed them 
born in Azores, Ireland.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA

[Leonard Silva]

I did my DNA through Ancestry and was surprised to see how small the 
percentage of Iberian heritage was there.  I discussed this with a 
genealogist at my local library and she told me that for hundreds of years, 
the Azores were a stopping point for all manner of ships from around he 
world and that Azorian DNA is much more diverse than one might expect. 
Any comments from those of you who have studied this?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

[Leonard Silva]

Don,
My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva, was also from Covas, Graciosa. He was 
born in 1865. He married Anna Mendonca, born 1863, also from Covas.  I know 
so very little of his life pre immigration.  Please contact me if you have 
anything to share.

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 8:17:46 PM UTC-5, dfvasco39 wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
> I have friends who are in the process of owning a B in Santa Cruz, 
> Graciosa. If you are interested, I can send you the info.
> You have to take the ferry or fly from Terceira to Graciosa.
> My grandfather was a Silva from Covas, Graciosa and his niece who is in 
> her 90's lives near Guadalupe, Graciosa.
> Don Vasconcelos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello  
> wrote:
>
> SATA may fly to TER as well.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Ken Waters  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> I just booked a 2-week open trip to Spain and am hoping to include a 
>> swing through the Azores out of Lisbon maybe for about 3 days. I have so 
>> many questions, looking for advice from those who may have visited. First 
>> of all, it would be wonderful to look up da Silva family on Graciosa. Is 
>> there anyone on this list from the island who could maybe help me out? It 
>> looks like some of the other islands are more of a magnet for tourists.  
>> Any favorite islands of the group?
>>
>> Also is TAP out of Lisbon the best way to get there? A quick look found 
>> $82 RT fares Lisbon to Terceira.
>>
>> I have no doubt 3 days is not enough time to enjoy the islands but I do 
>> have to balance the time with other sites like Spain, mainland Portugal, 
>> and a trip to Morocco.
>>
>> If any of you know a good contact on Graciosa please let me know. Thanks!
>>
>> Feel free to direct message me (or to the list if it's germane to others) 
>> if you have any suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ken
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maui Portugese Sausage

[Leonard Silva]

I remember Vovo's home made linguica hanging behind the stove.  I was 
probably about five years old, 1949 or so.

On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-5, Jo Mello Hartmann wrote:

 Just returned from Maui and was excited to order food with Portugese 
 Sausage.in my family this would mean linguica!

 Are my taste buds totally gone?  This version of linguica was way off 
 the mark!  In the local store, one of the butchers said they discontinued 
 the Silva brand - which is what I get here in So. Cal. Even the butcher 
 agreed what they now sell is NOT the linguica of old!

 Anyone else had this experience?  


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mass Archives

[Leonard Silva]

Thank you Richard.  I should have noted that I am looking for 
naturalization records and those are not indexed.

On Sunday, January 4, 2015 1:11:29 PM UTC-5, Leonard Silva wrote:

 I am looking for someone to do a bit of research at the Mass Archives in 
 Boston.  I have emailed them several times with no response beyond the 
 automatic reply. Please contact me if you can help.

 Thanks,

 Len Silva

 lensilva (AT) lenstudio.com


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Mass Archives

[Leonard Silva]

I am looking for someone to do a bit of research at the Mass Archives in 
Boston.  I have emailed them several times with no response beyond the 
automatic reply. Please contact me if you can help.

Thanks,

Len Silva

lensilva (AT) lenstudio.com

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA researcher's list

[Leonard Silva]

Kindly add me to your list.

My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva was born in Covas, Graciosa 16 Nov 
1867.  He immigrated to New Bedford in April 1882 and was a barber. He may 
have learned the trade in Graciosa though he was only 14 when he arrived.
He married Anna Mendonca, also from Covas, in 1886, and later married 
Laurentina Mendonca, my grandmother, in 1911. Laurentina was also from 
Graciosa and was a niece of Anna, his first wife. 

Thank you, 
Leonard C. Silva


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Leonard Silva]

Are you sure that there is not something in the date of death field for 
your family member?

On Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:14:36 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:

 Marcia,

 Re No. 2 you noted - I have a family member who is living and is listed 
 on an Ancestry Public tree by name...not Living as it should be.  I am a 
 long time Ancestry user and I am going to contact Ancestry about this. I am 
 not sure what happened or how it came to be this living person shows up by 
 name but I hope to find out.

 E  


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 Hello Everyone:
 I am the researcher that Marcia was referring to who has been asked by 
 the Mendocino Kelly House Organization to update a book by Eleanor Sverko 
 called Early Portuguese Familoies in Mendocino.

 She assured me that I would be welcome to join your group and I do hope 
 you all are OK with that? I did want to address some of the issues that 
 were raised in the prior threads and to offer assurances to everyone.

 I have, as Marcia requested, *changed all the Ancestry trees to 
 Private*until everyone is comfortable with this.

 My email is rpal...@gmail.com javascript: and I am happy to respond to 
 anyone who would prefer to speak to me in private as well as to this forum.

 I would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised as I 
 believe they may be based on things that have changed at Ancestry.

 1 - I am not in any way affiliated with Ancestry. I am a private 
 researcher who happens to be interested in Mendocino and offered to help 
 with this project. Since I am retired, I have the time to do this and felt 
 it would benefit other researchers since there appears to be little Azorean 
 ancestry information published. Ancestry seems to offer a wide visibility 
 to those doing serious research.

 2 - Public Trees on Ancestry do *NOT* display the living so no 
 information about the living is shown. The Living are automatically shown 
 with the notation 'Living' and no information is visible. The person making 
 the tree can see the living with dates etc but no one else can unless the 
 owner specifically approves so for that invitee only. People are provided 
 with the option to contact the tree owner to inquire or provide information 
 or corrections.

 3 - The information I have put on the Ancestry Trees so far* is all 
 public information* I obtained through research of public records 
 available online such as census, newspaper articles, GENWEB information 
 etc. So it is already publicly available to anyone who wants to do the 
 research. That is why I didn't feel the trees needed to be private.

 4 - Public Trees can be seen by any Ancestry member or by people invited 
 to view the trees - but *CANNOT BE EDITED* unless permission is given by 
 the tree owner so there is no danger of my tree getting corrupted. Of 
 course people can reuse that info in their own trees and provide incorrect 
 info but the original tress cannot be corrupted.

 When I invite people to view the tree, they can be invited as Guests, 
 Contributer, or Editor. I would invite people only as Guests. I want to be 
 sure that any information entered is correct before it is posted and would 
 be happy to receive information from anyone where it is properly attributed.
 per Ancestry: 

- *Editor: Allows viewing rights, and can add comments, photos and 
stories. Also can edit your tree such as removing and editing existing 
content.*
- *Contributor: Allows viewing rights, and can add comments, photos 
and stories. They cannot remove or edit existing tree content.*
- *Guest: Allows viewing rights and adding comments.* 


 5 - Anyone invited by the tree owner can view the trees for free *without 
 a paid subscription* to Ancestry. 
 per Ancestry: *If they do not have an account, the link will take them 
 directly to the sign up page, where they can quickly obtain a free 
 registered guest account. To view your tree they are required to have an 
 Ancestry account so that a link to your tree can be placed into their 
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 appear in the Family Trees section of their account as well as under the 
 Trees Shared with Me tab under the Family Trees section. *

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 the location from which it was obtained, date, person donating etc).

 7 - If someone wants to provide information that they would prefer NOT to 
 have shown on the Public Tree, there are 'Private Notes' for each tree that 
 I can put that information in for my use but it will not be visible to 
 anyone else.

 8 - I do have a private program that I use called Family Tree Maker. All 
 info is backed up to the cloud and saved as GEDCOMS. I 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Silva - Neves

[Leonard Silva]

Lee,

I know so very little about my family before immigration.  Here is what I 
have on the Mendonca line, hope you can find a connection

Anna M. Mendonca  b May 1863, Covas, Graciosa d. 22 Dec 1909 New bedford 
Mass

Father Joseph Mendonca
Mother unknown
Brother Joao da C. Mendonca,  Graciosa
Joao married Maria Victorino 1848-1926 in Graciosa
They had five natural children
Joseph b. 1879
Rosa 1884-1954
Laurentina 1887-1961
Philip 1890-1981
Maria (Mary) 1899-1962
Maria Victorino and Joao Mendonca also had two adopted children
Claudia 1889-1977
Maria Augusta Bettencourt 1892-1968

All the children were born in Graciosa and died in New Bedford.  Joao died 
in Graciosa before his widow came to this country.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Silva - Neves

[Leonard Silva]

I just learned that my Uncle Charlie's middle name was Neves but the name 
has never come up before in my searches.

Charles Neves Silva b. New Bedford 15 Jun 1898, d. New Bedford 28 Mar 
1935.  He was the son of Manuel Correia Silva and Anna (Mendonca) Silva. 
The family was from Graciosa.

I am only guessing that his middle name came from family.  Does anyone have 
a Silva-Neves connection?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

[Leonard Silva]

Unfortunately, the New Bedford Standard Times is not among them.  The New 
Bedford Public Library is happy to help but you must have a specific date 
to search. 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry World Explorer

[Leonard Silva]

I have used Ancestry U.S. Discovery for years with some success.  I wonder 
about the value of World Explorer when searching The Azores or Portugal.  
It does not appear that they have much to offer in these areas.

Any experience here, or should I save my money?

Thanks,

Len Silva

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Correia Silva

[Leonard Silva]

Hi Karen,  If your heritage is Silva from Graciosa, we are probably 
cousins!  It is a very small island.


On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:50:45 PM UTC-5, Karen A (Medeiros) Huffman 
- Paso Robles, CA, USA wrote:

 Leonard I was hoping we had something. My Manuel Correia Silva was born 1 
 Mar 1894 in Graciosa. He is my gr grandfather's brother (Joao). He married 
 my gr grandmother's (Maria) sister (Gertrudes). Just another Smith I 
 guess!!

 Karen Medeiros Huffman :)


 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Leonard Silva 
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  wrote:

 I have been working on finding my grandfather's history for about a year 
 now.  I have pretty much found everything I can since he arrived in this 
 country.  I have located and talked to many cousins who I didn't even know 
 existed. When I started this journey, I was not even sure of my 
 grandmother's maiden name.

 Now, I come to where I would like to learn more of my heritage.  I lack 
 the funds to pursue any professional genealogy help, and I neither speak 
 nor read Portuguese.  I am hoping that some here can help me find some 
 connection to the old country.  I realize that my grandfather's name, 
 Manuel Silva, is like looking for John Smith in the States.

 Here is what I know:

 Manuel Correia Silva, born 16 Nov 1867 at Covas, Graciosa
 His immigration date was 22 Apr 1882 at the age of 15.  I cannot find 
 arrival information.  Family lore says he arrived in Boston.  A passport 
 application says he arrived on an unnamed schooner.

 His mother was Anna Joaquina, his father either Manuel or Frank, 
 depending on which document I look at.

 He married  Anna M Mendonca, also of Covas, Graciosa in 1886 in New 
 Bedford.  She was born May 1864.  Her mother is unknown, her father was 
 Joseph Mendonca.

 Anna arrived in 1881, I have no records except census.

 Anna Mendonca had a brother Joao da C. Mendonca.  He married Maria 
 Victorino b. 1849. They had three natural children; Laurentina b. 1887, 
 Philip b. 1890, and Mary M. b. 1899.
 Maria Victorino was widowed sometime before 1908.  My grandfather went to 
 Graciosa and returned with Maria and her children that year.

 The first record I have of Manuel is a New Bedford City Directory from 
 1883.  He was single, living in a boarding house and was a hair dresser 
 (barber).  He was a barber in New Bedford all his life.  Some family 
 stories say he learned the trade in Graciosa.

 I don't know if Manuel had any siblings.

 Does any of this connect with anyone here?  Thank you in advance for any 
 help.

 Leonard C. Silva

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Correia Silva

[Leonard Silva]

I have been working on finding my grandfather's history for about a year 
now.  I have pretty much found everything I can since he arrived in this 
country.  I have located and talked to many cousins who I didn't even know 
existed. When I started this journey, I was not even sure of my 
grandmother's maiden name.

Now, I come to where I would like to learn more of my heritage.  I lack the 
funds to pursue any professional genealogy help, and I neither speak nor 
read Portuguese.  I am hoping that some here can help me find some 
connection to the old country.  I realize that my grandfather's name, 
Manuel Silva, is like looking for John Smith in the States.

Here is what I know:

Manuel Correia Silva, born 16 Nov 1867 at Covas, Graciosa
His immigration date was 22 Apr 1882 at the age of 15.  I cannot find 
arrival information.  Family lore says he arrived in Boston.  A passport 
application says he arrived on an unnamed schooner.

His mother was Anna Joaquina, his father either Manuel or Frank, depending 
on which document I look at.

He married  Anna M Mendonca, also of Covas, Graciosa in 1886 in New 
Bedford.  She was born May 1864.  Her mother is unknown, her father was 
Joseph Mendonca.

Anna arrived in 1881, I have no records except census.

Anna Mendonca had a brother Joao da C. Mendonca.  He married Maria 
Victorino b. 1849. They had three natural children; Laurentina b. 1887, 
Philip b. 1890, and Mary M. b. 1899.
Maria Victorino was widowed sometime before 1908.  My grandfather went to 
Graciosa and returned with Maria and her children that year.

The first record I have of Manuel is a New Bedford City Directory from 
1883.  He was single, living in a boarding house and was a hair dresser 
(barber).  He was a barber in New Bedford all his life.  Some family 
stories say he learned the trade in Graciosa.

I don't know if Manuel had any siblings.

Does any of this connect with anyone here?  Thank you in advance for any 
help.

Leonard C. Silva

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Windows 8 and computer crash

[Leonard Silva]

George, I'm sorry for your loss but don't give up yet.  It's rare that 
files are actually lost, they just become inaccessible by the usual means.  
I'll bet some computer gurus can get most of them back for you.

I am a very strong advocate of off premise online backups like Carbonite.  
Once set up, they just operate in the background and you don't have to 
remember to do anything.


On Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:24:35 AM UTC-5, Moreno22 wrote:


 George Pacheco https://www.facebook.com/george.pacheco1

 Windows 8 crashed my computer lost lots of data.
 Had a Computer Crash Lost lots of Data My back up didn't upload right the 
 only backup that worked was from it makes me so depressed lost over 3000 
 people from my database, i will have to enter alt least the ones i have 
 documents for. it is very depressing.. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

[Leonard Silva]

Cheri,

Thank you so much for that input.  I have no problem at all with 
Ancestry.com except for the limitations of the online family tree.  I don't 
know if Family Tree Maker has the same limitations but it's cheap enough 
that I think I'll try it.  If I'm not satisfied with that, I may just do it 
myself in a graphics program.

What I am trying to learn is, are there standards for displaying 
relationship events like divorce, re-marriage, adoption, etc. or does 
everyone  just do the best they can in their own way?.  I have not found 
anything that looks like a standard, I like the Ancestry.com layout and 
will probably work with that.

Thanks,

Len

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:12:51 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 In addition to running this list, I'm also a genealogy lecturer.  One of 
 my speeches is genealogy software.

 Genealogists are periodically surveyed.  Dick Eastman (of Eastman's Online 
 Genealogical News; former CompuServe Genealogy Forum leader) ran a survey 
 about 2 years ago now.  The 4 most popular genealogy softwares out there 
 for PCs were:

 1) Family Tree Maker.  This had the largest share (I think around 35%).  
 It syncs with Ancestry and is easily available from Fry's, Best Buy, and 
 other electronics stores. But you want to get away from Ancestry.  So I'll 
 discuss the others.

 The next 3 were all close.  I remember them being like 12%, 14%, 16% of 
 the market share.  All have had a new version in the past year.  So I will 
 present them alphabetically.

 2) Legacy (www.legacyfamilytree.com).  They have their Standard version 
 (free) and their Deluxe version with about 100 more features for about $30 
 or $40.  That program is fairly easy to learn to use and has a lot of 
 features as well.  For my lecture, I took my best friend's family, showed 
 how her mom was married to her dad, but during a mid-life crisis had 
 another child with another man (assigned as partner in their program) and 
 had that child come out as a half sibling to my best friend and her 
 sisters. On the main screen though, I have to have either the husband or 
 the partner up.  Not both at the same time.

 3) RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com or www.rootsmagic.com/essentials).  
 Their Essentials version is free.  The Essentials does get a lot of 
 criticism for being pretty bare bones, but you can still download it and 
 play around with it.  It's probably one of the easiest to learn to use.  
 Depending on what kind of computer user you are, you may outgrow the 
 program.  However, I know a couple of engineers who love RootsMagic.  Their 
 paid version also comes with RootsMagic To Go that you load on your 
 USB/Flash/Thumb drive and you will have your genealogy with you to access 
 at all times.  I don't remember the label for my best friend's family, but 
 it did take them all.

 4) The Master Genealogist (TMG) (www.whollygenes.com).  You can download 
 their program and try it out for 30 days free.  It is the most powerful 
 program on the market today and can do just about everything imaginable.  
 Because of this, it does have a large learning curve.  They heard this 
 criticism and they have developed a beginner's mode and an advanced 
 mode.  They also have added pop up windows that explains the features.  
 Helpful until you learn it.  Then, you can turn them off. I put my friend's 
 family in TMG.  Their layout is different (customizable too) so I can see 
 one main person (her mom) and both men on the screen at the same time.  I 
 don't have to chose one over the other.

 Len, make a Gedcom from Ancestry.  Download Legacy (Standard), RootsMagic 
 (Essentials), and TMG (free for 30 days).  Import your Gedcom and play 
 around with it.  Marry yourself to yourself and see what happens.  Give 
 yourself a new wife and name him George Washington and see what the 
 program does.  See if there are any Users Groups in your area and go and 
 talk to them (we get people coming to our User Group, shopping for a new 
 genealogy software program).  Once you've decided on which program you 
 prefer, delete the family or file or project where you married 
 yourself to yourself as well as George Washington and import your Gedcom 
 again from Ancestry.

 The best program will be the one that you find best suits your needs and 
 allows to manipulate or search your data in the way you like best.

 Although inaccurate, you might want to browse this site for the Top 10 
 Genealogy Software reviews: http://goo.gl/CNIw4

 According to the above site, the program I use has no privacy option or 
 rating system for sources.  It has both.  The privacy option becomes 
 available when you go to publish your information.  The rating system for 
 sources is on the source screen, so I don't know why they didn't find it.  
 So if you do really like one program a lot but you are concerned about one 
 of their features that is missing in the above critique, look in the help 
 file or ask a user of that program.

 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

[Leonard Silva]

Can anyone suggest websites, books or software for designing a family tree.

Currently, all my information is on Ancestry.com but their tree does not 
deal well with unusual relationships.

In my case, my grandfather married and had four children.  He was widowed 
and subsequently married his widow's brother's daughter.  My father came 
from that union.

The problem is that not only was he related to my grandmother in two 
different ways (she was his niece), she is a generation after him in the 
family tree.

Ancestry.com simply shows him in two different places at two different 
levels..

I am trying to figure out how to draw this information myself, even if it 
is in manually drawn tree.

Thanks,

Len Silva

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!

[Leonard Silva]

Congratulations on the anniversary and on a very well run site.

As a newcomer, might I suggest a sticky with a list of your other sites 
and some of the more common resources available.  I keep finding new 
resources in some of the old posts here that have been very helpful.

Len Silva

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:35:42 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This list will be 7 years old on the 27th!  The first post was on the 
 28th.  I can't believe this has been going on 7 years already!  

 Today, our 1000th member signed up!  There are 1000 email addresses 
 subscribed to his list now.  Seven years ago, I thought I would wind up 
 with 300 or maybe 350 members.  As those numbers approached, I thought 
 maybe 500 would be it.  I'm amazed at the number of people doing Azorean 
 genealogy.

 May the list, our web site at Azores Gen Web, and especially the spirit of 
 helping among our members continue for more years to come!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Topic - Computer Question - How to restore deleted mail folder

[Leonard Silva]

Too late perhaps, but I have become a very strong advocate of online backup 
like Carbonite.  It works completely in the background, nothing to remember 
or schedule and you access your files remotely.  It even retains the last 
few versions of a document after you have saved it.

On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:28:13 PM UTC-4, belle...@gmail.com wrote:

 A new found family member deleted one of her family mail folders, 
 particularly the one I had sent her a lot of information she had on it. She 
 has Outlook Express. We suggested she check the Recycle Bin but it is not 
 there. She checked her backup but it was dated July. I know when I did this 
 it was in my Recycle Bin but it is not in hers. Any suggestion - I told her 
 we have a lot of experts on this site. 

 Elaine

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Writing the family history

[Leonard Silva]

Thank you all very much for the input.  Several folks contacted me offline 
as well.

I have found several cousins who I didn't even know existed, and some of 
them didn't know each other. They are grand children or great grand 
children of my grandfather.  There was a common thread in our conversations 
that my grandfather's four children.from his first marriage all left home 
as soon as they reached adulthood and had little contact with him after 
that.  Their mother, my grandfather's first wife died young, when the 
oldest child was 22 and the youngest only 10.

He was not a criminal or anything like that, but rather a successful 
barber, highly regarded in the community, but not so much at home.

I have decided that when the time comes to write the narrative, I will 
include that information.

Thanks again,

Len Silva

On Monday, September 10, 2012 2:36:16 PM UTC-4, Leonard Silva wrote:

 I have been researching my grandfather in the hopes of writing a history 
 for the coming generations  and to satisfy the curiosity of my family about 
 their heritage.

 After some research, I find that the kindly old man that I knew as a child 
 may not have been all that nice.  Stories are starting to arise of abuse, 
 excessive drinking, and estrangement of his children.

 My father was a product of his second marriage and cared a lot for his 
 parents.  Vovoo was an old man of 75 when I was born, and I only knew a 
 sweet, kind old man who loved me.  Now, I am finding that the children of 
 his first marriage did not hold him in such high esteem.

 So, my question for the group is:  If you were putting together a family 
 history for the generations to come, how would you handle this?

 Most of the stories are hearsay as there is no one alive with direct 
 knowledge, but there must be something to them.

 I am inclined to be very honest in relating family stories, but I wonder 
 how some of you might handle this.

 Thanks for your input,

 Len


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Writing the family history

[Leonard Silva]

I have been researching my grandfather in the hopes of writing a history 
for the coming generations  and to satisfy the curiosity of my family about 
their heritage.

After some research, I find that the kindly old man that I knew as a child 
may not have been all that nice.  Stories are starting to arise of abuse, 
excessive drinking, and estrangement of his children.

My father was a product of his second marriage and cared a lot for his 
parents.  Vovoo was an old man of 75 when I was born, and I only knew a 
sweet, kind old man who loved me.  Now, I am finding that the children of 
his first marriage did not hold him in such high esteem.

So, my question for the group is:  If you were putting together a family 
history for the generations to come, how would you handle this?

Most of the stories are hearsay as there is no one alive with direct 
knowledge, but there must be something to them.

I am inclined to be very honest in relating family stories, but I wonder 
how some of you might handle this.

Thanks for your input,

Len

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anglicization of names

[Leonard Silva]

Thank you for all the comments and perspective.  The original reason for my 
post was to point out the difficulty of searching relatives when one 
changes their name.  It was just a bit of luck that I found my uncle.

Len

On Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:55:52 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote:

 Len ( others), 
 The anglicization issue is a really broad topic as we have seen w/ all 
 the reasons everyone has posted, but, consider this... Our parents and 
 ancestors did the best they could to fit in. Sometimes, that was 
 accomplished by becoming naturalized citizens, and anglicizing their 
 names, other times, they just lived in large communities with people 
 of their own culture and heritage. 
 For all of those who may have tried to eradicate their heritage, many, 
 many, more clinged to that heritage, and, thankfully, our culture has 
 survived. I could respond to each of the examples posted with my own 
 experiences, but, I would never finish this post. 
 ~ 
 On Aug 11, 11:20 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Repost for Len Silva, lensilva at lenstudio.com: 
  
  I ran into a wall in tracing an uncle born in 1898. I had him through 
 the 
  twenties, but then he just seemed to disappear. I finally found that he 
  had so anglicized his name that I could not find him. Later, talking to 
  his family members, I found that he did everything he could to hide his 
  heritage. He was a well respected professional in Providence RI. He felt 
  that he could not be successful in those professional circles with his 
  heritage. 
  
  Growing up in New Bedford, I never felt that in the least, but we were 
 blue 
  collar and not striving for upper crust as they say. 
  
  How common was this and have you found it in your own families? 
  
  As an aside, I can remember my first generation grandfather and my 
 father 
  speaking disparagingly of the dumb greenhorns that just got off the 
  boat. I guess it's just a human condition. 
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anglicization of names

[Leonard Silva]

Cheri,

I am being intentionally vague here as I have not felt out living family 
members feelings about this.  Personally, I think Uncle may have been over 
sensitive and that there really was no real discrimination.  I have picked 
up that he was perhaps bullied and called a dumb portagee in school and 
never got over it.

On Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:28:00 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len, 

 I would say not that common at all that someone would hide their 
 heritage.  It is rare. 

 You said that you talked to family members and found out that this 
 uncle did everything he could to hide his heritage.  What did you 
 find?  Court papers with a name change?  What was this profession?  If 
 he was a Portuguese person in the Bible Belt of the south (in the 
 U.S.) trying to attract dental patients, then maybe it makes sense to 
 be like one of them.  But he was in Providence, which has a really 
 large Portuguese community.  What was his surname before?  After? 

 I'd be interesting in hearing what you found documenting that he hid 
 his nationality. 

 Cheri Mello 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Opinions request

[Leonard Silva]

I have been all over the Google Groups help and have not yet figured out 
how to insert a signature line.  Help please.

Len Silva

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:44:44 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Hi Joao (jo...@venturas.org javascript:),

 Since we now have 2 Joao Venturas on this list, would you like to add a 
 signature line when you sign your name?  It's going to be confusing for 
 everyone on this list when we have 2 people with the exact same name.

 Some suggestions:
 Your name
 Location (city/state or city/province or city/island)
 Names researching or Freguesias researching

 Just trying to keep everyone straight!  Thanks!
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
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 Tainhas, Achada


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Degrees of consanguinity or affinity in a marriage

[Leonard Silva]

Would this apply to a marriage in the U.S.?

Specifically, to a marriage at St John the Baptist in New Bedford in 1911?

My grandfather married his widow's brother's daughter.

This also makes for a convoluted family tree in Ancestry.com.  Not only was 
my grandmother his niece, but she was twenty years younger, so of the next 
generation.

On Friday, June 22, 2012 1:05:35 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This was in a posting about a marriage document:
 They are related in the 4th degree.

 The actual document said it was the 4th degree of consangunity 
 (consanguidade in Portuguese).

 What this means:
 1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage
 2nd degree: 1st cousins
 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
 4th degree: 3rd cousins

 Consanguinity (consanguinidade in Portuguese) means related by blood, such 
 as cousins.  Affinity (affinidade in Portuguese) means related by 
 marriage.  Example: the wife dies so the hubby marries his sister-in-law.  

 When a degree of consanguinity or affinity happens, a document called a 
 dispensation for the marriage had to be made from the Church or in some 
 cases, Rome.  Some exist and some don't.  Because the Diocese seat for the 
 Azores is in Angra, these records are in the archive in Angra.  An index to 
 these records will be online someday.

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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Friday, June 22, 2012 1:05:35 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This was in a posting about a marriage document:
 They are related in the 4th degree.

 The actual document said it was the 4th degree of consangunity 
 (consanguidade in Portuguese).

 What this means:
 1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage
 2nd degree: 1st cousins
 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
 4th degree: 3rd cousins

 Consanguinity (consanguinidade in Portuguese) means related by blood, such 
 as cousins.  Affinity (affinidade in Portuguese) means related by 
 marriage.  Example: the wife dies so the hubby marries his sister-in-law.  

 When a degree of consanguinity or affinity happens, a document called a 
 dispensation for the marriage had to be made from the Church or in some 
 cases, Rome.  Some exist and some don't.  Because the Diocese seat for the 
 Azores is in Angra, these records are in the archive in Angra.  An index to 
 these records will be online someday.

 -- 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Friday, June 22, 2012 1:05:35 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This was in a posting about a marriage document:
 They are related in the 4th degree.

 The actual document said it was the 4th degree of consangunity 
 (consanguidade in Portuguese).

 What this means:
 1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage
 2nd degree: 1st cousins
 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
 4th degree: 3rd cousins

 Consanguinity (consanguinidade in Portuguese) means related by blood, such 
 as cousins.  Affinity (affinidade in Portuguese) means related by 
 marriage.  Example: the wife dies so the hubby marries his sister-in-law.  

 When a degree of consanguinity or affinity happens, a document called a 
 dispensation for the marriage had to be made from the Church or in some 
 cases, Rome.  Some exist and some don't.  Because the Diocese seat for the 
 Azores is in Angra, these records are in the archive in Angra.  An index to 
 these records will be online someday.

 -- 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Friday, June 22, 2012 1:05:35 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This was in a posting about a marriage document:
 They are related in the 4th degree.

 The actual document said it was the 4th degree of consangunity 
 (consanguidade in Portuguese).

 What this means:
 1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage
 2nd degree: 1st cousins
 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
 4th degree: 3rd cousins

 Consanguinity (consanguinidade in Portuguese) means related by blood, such 
 as cousins.  Affinity (affinidade in Portuguese) means related by 
 marriage.  Example: the wife dies so the hubby marries his sister-in-law.  

 When a degree of consanguinity or affinity happens, a document called a 
 dispensation for the marriage had to be made from the Church or in some 
 cases, Rome.  Some exist and some don't.  Because the Diocese seat for the 
 Azores is in Angra, these records are in the archive in Angra.  An index to 
 these records will be online someday.

 -- 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Friday, June 22, 2012 1:05:35 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This was in a posting about a marriage document:
 They are related in the 4th degree.

 The actual document said it was the 4th degree of consangunity 
 (consanguidade in Portuguese).

 What this means:
 1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: age question

[Leonard Silva]

Mike,

I have had the same problem.  Here is a collection of the various dates I 
have for my grandfather.  I believe that 11-16-1865 is the right one but it 
is hard to be sure.

  Year Source DOB  1894 Naturalization Card 8-21-1865  1894 Passport App 
11-16-1865  1900 Census 11-1865  1908 Passenger Record 1868 Cal  1910 Census 
1866 
Cal  1911 Marriage Record 1868 Cal  1920 Census 1868 Cal  1925 Passport App 
11-1867  1925 Passenger Record 1867 Cal  1930 Census 1870 Cal  1940 Census 1866 
Cal  1955 Obituary 1866 Cal 
Len Silva

On Friday, June 15, 2012 7:20:25 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:

 I have marriage license and marriage certificate from the church that put 
 my GG grandfathers year of birth in 1872, have an obituary that would put 
 his birthday in 1867, a headstone that would put it in 1867, a newspaper 
 story that indicates his birth would have been in 1868 and the census that 
 would put it in 1870. So until I can somehow find the village he came from 
 and then locate a birth certificate, knowing that he couldn't read or write 
 how accurate would someone be with knowing the year of his own events and 
 happenings?
 Are these variations in dates commonplace among the portuguese of those 
 times?


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships

[Leonard Silva]

Hi Karen,

I know nothing of my grandfather's family except that his father was Manuel 
C. or Frank C. and his mother was Anna Joaquina.  He came from Covas, 
Graciosa.

Now, I assume that if there is a Silva from Graciosa in your family, then 
we are probably related, even if the connection goes back a couple hundred 
years.

So, Hello Cousin!

Len




On Monday, June 11, 2012 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, Karen A (Medeiros) Huffman - 
Paso Robles, CA, USA wrote:

 Hello Len,
 My relatives all settled in New Bedford when they arrived coming through 
 Providence,  RI. Did you look there? By the way, my great grandfather was 
 Joao Correia dos Santos. All his siblings and father are Correia da Silva. 
 He had a brother Manuel. His grandfather was also Manuel. They came from 
 Graciosa. Most of my relatives left New Bedford for the Santa Clara Valley. 
 The Silva ones we know of went to Mendocino County, Fort Bragg, and 
 Truckee. Any relation?

 Karen :)

 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Leonard Silva lensi...@lenstudio.comwrote:

 My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva arrived either on 22 Apr 1882 or Aug 
 1882. (See attachments)

 One of these documents say that he sailed from Graciosa on an unnamed 
 schooner. 

 Family stories say that he came as a 15 year old stowaway with an older 
 cousin who abandoned him in Boston.

 I can find no record of ship arrivals in Boston or New Bedford, much less 
 schooners,  around those dates.

 I'm looking for any help or guidance in learning more about how he came 
 here.

 Thanks,

 Len Silva

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Immigrant Ships

[Leonard Silva]

I have always been suspicious of the stowaway story because my 
grandfather was naturalized 12 years after his arrival.  It seems that 
naturalization might require proof that one came legitimately.

On the other hand, I have enjoyed telling people that I am the grandson of 
an illegal immigrant.

I am running into a problem because it appears that 1882 Boston records 
were lost.

Len

On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:03:37 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 However, what I am saying is that it seems like an extremely high number 
 of researchers with the stowaway story.  I'm not saying it didn't happen.  
 I'm saying it's not a crazy number like 50%.  

 If anyone has the books I mentioned before, it will shed light on the 
 statistics.  

 Kind of like American researchers who all have the 3 brothers came to 
 America story.  Doesn't matter where (Germany, England, Ireland), it was 3 
 brothers.  And a lot of them don't pan out to be 3 brothers.  And they all 
 didn't have $5 in their pocket either.

 Just evaluate all evidence and don't accept every story you hear as the 
 truth.  Work to prove or disprove the story.  

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding Azores in 1880

[Leonard Silva]

My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva was born in Covas, Graciosa on 16 Nov 
1867 and immigrated in 1882 at the age of fifteen.  The first record I have 
is a new Bedford City Directory from 1883 which showed him working as a 
barber.  Family lore says that he was trained as a barber in Graciosa..

I also think that because he was working as a barber that he could speak 
english in 1883.  The 1890 census showed that he could read, write and 
speak english.

My question, for anyone who has studied the history and culture of the time 
is: Is it more likely that he was from a merchant class, rather that the 
fisherman/farmer who appear to be the majority of immigrants?

Could he have learned english in Graciosa?

How likely is it that his father was a barber?

Manuel was very successful, always locating his shop in the heart of the 
business and political hubs of New Bedford.  I wonder if that was learned 
in Graciosa, where the barber served the wealthy folks.  He stood behind a 
barber chair for more than sixty years until he retired at seventy-five.

I know there are no real questions or answers here, I'm just trying to get 
a feeling for what his life may have been like before he left.

Thanks for your indulgence,

Len Silva

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding Azores in 1880

[Leonard Silva]

That was an error, it was 1900.

Len

On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09:29 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 1890 census burned.  The largest fragment is 3/4 of a roll from some 
 county in Alabama.  How sure are you that you found him on the 1890?

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] The Dartmouth Club, New Bedford

[Leonard Silva]

Please let me know if this is too far OT.

My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva worked at The Dartmouth Club from 
about 1903 to 1920 according to city directories..  He must have been quite 
successful as he owned a two family home and made several trips back to 
Graciosa.

The Dartmouth Club was located at the corner of Union and Sixth Streets.  I 
am trying to learn if he was working for the club or just renting a public 
storefront there.  Does anyone know anything about the Dartmouth Club?

Later, in the early thirties, he ran the barber shop at the New Bedford 
Hotel.  According to family stories, it was a five or seven chair shop and 
he was the first in the city to employ a female manicurist.

I have tried without success to find any history on the old hotel before it 
was sold to the city for senior housing.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Len Silva

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation please.

[Leonard Silva]

Thank you all very much.

Len Silva

On Monday, May 28, 2012 10:04:08 AM UTC-4, Leonard Silva wrote:

 Can anyone help me with translating this obituary.  Google translate 
 leaves a lot of confusion.




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation please.

[Leonard Silva]

Can anyone help me with translating this obituary.  Google translate leaves 
a lot of confusion.

Thanks very much.

Charles N. Silva
Faleceu ontem, na sua residência,
316 Hawthorn street, depois
de prolongada doença, o sr. Charles
N. Silva, farmacêutico, que
em tempo esteve estabelecido á
esquina das ruas Pleasant e
Spring.
O extinto era natural desta cidade
e contava apenas 38 anos de
idade.
A 9 de Janeiro de 1922 casou
com Miss Mary C. Rog-ers.
O finado pertencia á Ordem
Masonica. O seu funeral realisa-se
no domingo pelas 2 e 30 da tarde
da agenoia Wilson, á esquina das
ruas County e Elm.
Centro Católico Português

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: St Johns Cemetery Book

[Leonard Silva]

Katharine and Michelle,

You are both now officially incredible.  Thank you so much.

Would it be possible to identify the name and date of the publication with 
my Grandfather's obit.  It only says that he died yesterday.

Most of the other family history you found, I already had, except that it 
took me months to find what you apparently did in minutes.

Thanks again,

Len Silva

On Friday, May 18, 2012 4:46:31 PM UTC-4, Leonard Silva wrote:

 I am a newbie here and found this group by Googling St Johns cemetery.  I 
 understand there is a book of burial records available.  I am 69 years old 
 and started researching my roots less than a year ago.  I am finding that I 
 need accurate death dates to get anywhere and I'm hoping to get some help 
 here.

 My grandfather was Manuel Correia Silva b. 16 Nov 1867 at Covas, 
 Graciosa.  He arrived in New Bedford on 22 Apr 1882 at the age of  15.  
 Family lore says he came as a stowaway.  He was a well known and successful 
 barber in New Bedford from 1883 until his retirement around 1937.  I think 
 that everyone in the family came from Covas or Fontes, Graciosa.

 He married Anna or Anne Mendonca in 1886. She was also from Covas.  They 
 had four children, Mary b. 3 Jan 1887, Anna b. 12 Feb 1891, Manuel Jr. b. 
 15 jun 1898 and Charles b. 16 Jun 1899.  Those last two dates are suspect.  
 Mary married Edmund Burke and Anna married John Key.

 Anne died on 22 Dec 1909 and is buried at St. Johns.

 Manuel married Laurentina Mendonca on 12 Jun 1911 and they had a son 
 Leonard Correia b. 6 Feb 1921.

 Others buried in what I think is a family plot might be Charles who died 
 sometime between 1937 and 1940, Manuel Sr. who I think died in 1956, Laura 
 or Laurentina about 1957-58.

 Other family names that might be there are Mendoza, Mendonca, Espindola, 
 Medeiros.

 I am hoping to find actual death dates for any of these ancestors.

 Thanks you very much.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Johns Cemetery Book

[Leonard Silva]

Thank you.

I have searched Findagrave with no luck.  I live in Florida so a trip to 
the library is not in the cards for this year.  I hope to do a genealogy 
week in New Bedford next year.

If it helps, the family plot would have been purchased in 1909 for Anna 
Mendonca Silva is likely in the old section.

The names are;
Anna Mendonca Silva d. 22 Dec 1909
Charles N Silva d. 1937-1940
Manuel Correia Silva d. abt 1956
Laurentina Mendonca Silva d. abt 1957-58

And any other names which at be in the same plot if that information is 
available.

Thank you very much,

Leonard Silva

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:05:09 AM UTC-4, E wrote:

 Leonard and others, 
  
 www.findagrave.com has over 7000 entries for St. John's cemetery which I 
 think is pretty much what is in the book.  I do have the book but suggest 
 you check findagrave site first, click on search for a cemetery and fill in 
 the blanks.  Their listings are alphabetical and the book goes by location 
 of the grave and I have to go page by page to find them.  I don't mind 
 doing this but think it is easier to check online first and if you don't 
 find what you are looking for there give me exact name/s to look up and I 
 will gladly do so.
  
 E



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