Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Shirl, I spent a lot of time and trial and error but I did learn how to use the etombo system (more of less). I am also trying the site address Joao suggested. In locating the Passporte record I was trying to find on the etombo site, (it only gives the name and number and where they are going-not the actual Passporte) I found another relative that I was totally surprised to find. I am assuming I need to contact the Archives in Lisbon to obtain an actual copy of the Passporte??? Anyone know about this??? I did manage the birth, marriage, death records without too many problems. However, when I tried to use the arrow at the bottom of the page for the next record, I kept getting thrown off so I used the next number on the left hand side of the record. "E" -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Hi, E The etombo.com site is severely out of date. It hasn't been updated in more than two years, and there's several districts that are no longer accessible via that portal. Among others, that's why I'm developing a replacement system in http://tombo.pt. I've got the crawler working, and I've scraped up a simple 'what's new' page while the rest of the system isn't ready to completely replace the etombo. If you want to navigate parishes in Portugal easily, for now I'd recommend http://www.quinta-do-mosteiro.com/linksparq.htm João Ventura (the other one) On Sunday, August 11, 2013 11:05:01 PM UTC+2, E Sharp wrote: > > Coming in a little late on this but for mainland Portugal records, I use > http://www.etombo.com/ > They keep adding to these records. > > "E" > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello > > wrote: > >> Here's the problem (this is all tongue-in-cheek so no one needs to get >> upset...I'm just trying to find some humor in all this frustration) >> >> The Portuguese people like a good glass of vinho. The LDS members do not >> drink wine (or any other type of alcohol). Otherwise, the whole problem >> would have been solved over a nice glass of vinho from the Algarve (or >> wherever they grow the grapes for that good wine)! :) :) :) LOL >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
"E" How did you find them? I went to the etombo.com site and couldn't figure out how to do anything there. :-( - Shirl - From: ""E" Sharp" To: azores Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers Using the etombo.com site, tonite I found Passportes records from Lisboa for a couple of my family members. Yippee!! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Using the etombo.com site, tonite I found Passportes records from Lisboa for a couple of my family members. Yippee!! "E" On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Eileen Leite wrote: > That’s funny, Cheri! As you have no doubt figured out, I am a Mormon, and > I can appreciate a good vinho joke! And you may be right: a couple of > bottles of good vinho can ease sticky negotiations! > > ** ** > > My friend the FHC director reminded me what Joao Ventura (‘the other one’ > J) referred to: that when the LDS church makes copies of records, part of > the agreement is to give a copy to the records’ owner. So the government > of Portugal has copies of the digitalized records provided by the LDS > church. I have no clue what schedule each entity is on, in terms of > posting records online, and whether they have coordinated their efforts or > not. It would be great if they were posting different items, which would > get the records out there much faster – but only if all were freely > available to everyone!! Joao, I am curious how you know that “The > agreement does say that all data will be made publicly available by the > Portuguese government.” That is more than my friend found out. > > ** ** > > Eileen Leite > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Cheri Mello [mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:47 PM > > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and > Familysearch/Family History Centers > > ** ** > > Here's the problem (this is all tongue-in-cheek so no one needs to get > upset...I'm just trying to find some humor in all this frustration)*** > * > > > > The Portuguese people like a good glass of vinho. The LDS members do not > drink wine (or any other type of alcohol). Otherwise, the whole problem > would have been solved over a nice glass of vinho from the Algarve (or > wherever they grow the grapes for that good wine)! :) :) :) LOL > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
That's funny, Cheri! As you have no doubt figured out, I am a Mormon, and
I can appreciate a good vinho joke! And you may be right: a couple of
bottles of good vinho can ease sticky negotiations!
My friend the FHC director reminded me what Joao Ventura ('the other one' J)
referred to: that when the LDS church makes copies of records, part of the
agreement is to give a copy to the records' owner. So the government of
Portugal has copies of the digitalized records provided by the LDS church.
I have no clue what schedule each entity is on, in terms of posting records
online, and whether they have coordinated their efforts or not. It would be
great if they were posting different items, which would get the records out
there much faster - but only if all were freely available to everyone!!
Joao, I am curious how you know that "The agreement does say that all data
will be made publicly available by the Portuguese government." That is more
than my friend found out.
Eileen Leite
From: Cheri Mello [mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:47 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family
History Centers
Here's the problem (this is all tongue-in-cheek so no one needs to get
upset...I'm just trying to find some humor in all this frustration)
The Portuguese people like a good glass of vinho. The LDS members do not
drink wine (or any other type of alcohol). Otherwise, the whole problem
would have been solved over a nice glass of vinho from the Algarve (or
wherever they grow the grapes for that good wine)! :) :) :) LOL
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Coming in a little late on this but for mainland Portugal records, I use http://www.etombo.com/ They keep adding to these records. "E" On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Here's the problem (this is all tongue-in-cheek so no one needs to get > upset...I'm just trying to find some humor in all this frustration) > > The Portuguese people like a good glass of vinho. The LDS members do not > drink wine (or any other type of alcohol). Otherwise, the whole problem > would have been solved over a nice glass of vinho from the Algarve (or > wherever they grow the grapes for that good wine)! :) :) :) LOL > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Here's the problem (this is all tongue-in-cheek so no one needs to get upset...I'm just trying to find some humor in all this frustration) The Portuguese people like a good glass of vinho. The LDS members do not drink wine (or any other type of alcohol). Otherwise, the whole problem would have been solved over a nice glass of vinho from the Algarve (or wherever they grow the grapes for that good wine)! :) :) :) LOL -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Hi Eileen Portugal is also putting their records online.. There's links to the parish-level book indexes here: http://www.quinta-do-mosteiro.com/linksparq.htm Funny thing is that looking at the list, it seems that Portugal has lots of stuff available that is not on the FamilySearch website and vice-versa.. I do know that all Braga records, and the Elvas, Portalegre records are only available in FamilySearch (and for everyone, as these were not covered by the agreement). The agreement does say that all data will be made publicly available by the Portuguese government. What's frustrating a lot of us is that there's more then 420.000 books total, and only about 141.000 are currently available.. That's only 33% of the total. While I'm happy that I can use those 33% already, I know that part of the 66% I can't access are available to LDS church members. Granted the LDS church took the financial burden to microfilm and now digitize those records, but it feels stupid to have to wait on Government burocracy to process the images provided by the LDS church. João Ventura (the other one) On Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39:54 PM UTC+2, Eileen Leite wrote: > > Wouldn’t that be great! I don’t know which entity negotiated permission > to film the records, but I do know that when the LDS church goes in to > film records they seek the broadest permission possible. Since the Azores > and Madeira are putting records online, perhaps Portugal will loosen their > conditions at some point. > > > > Eileen Leite > > > > > > > > *From:* Cheri Mello [mailto:gfsc...@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:14 PM > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and > Familysearch/Family History Centers > > > > BUT, it's not set in stone. Someone can go back and renegotiate the > agreement and see if they can get approval at some future date. And is > this agreement with the mainland government, the Azorean government, or the > Madeiran government? At least we have the CCA (for the Azores) and the ARM > (for Madeira) putting them online (albeit a bit slowly) for the public to > view. Don't know if they will ever be searchable, like on FamilySearch > though. > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Wouldn't that be great! I don't know which entity negotiated permission to film the records, but I do know that when the LDS church goes in to film records they seek the broadest permission possible. Since the Azores and Madeira are putting records online, perhaps Portugal will loosen their conditions at some point. Eileen Leite From: Cheri Mello [mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:14 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers BUT, it's not set in stone. Someone can go back and renegotiate the agreement and see if they can get approval at some future date. And is this agreement with the mainland government, the Azorean government, or the Madeiran government? At least we have the CCA (for the Azores) and the ARM (for Madeira) putting them online (albeit a bit slowly) for the public to view. Don't know if they will ever be searchable, like on FamilySearch though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
BUT, it's not set in stone. Someone can go back and renegotiate the agreement and see if they can get approval at some future date. And is this agreement with the mainland government, the Azorean government, or the Madeiran government? At least we have the CCA (for the Azores) and the ARM (for Madeira) putting them online (albeit a bit slowly) for the public to view. Don't know if they will ever be searchable, like on FamilySearch though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Portugal records and Familysearch/Family History Centers
Here is the bad news about Portugal records online at Familysearch.org: My local Family History Center Director called Family Search and talked with someone who deals with the Historical Records collection. She told me "I learned that the Portugal records online at Family Search are restricted to LDS accounts for viewing online. That includes from a family history center computer. It is a result of the agreement between Family Search and the Portuguese government. The restriction exists at the insistence of the Portuguese government. Family Search is making as many records available to the public as possible." Some of these record collections are available as FHC films to order, but apparently these are the same ones that have long been available, the newer records don't seem to be included. It is bad news indeed. : ( Eileen Leite -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
