Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

O ok mother was from Pico 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 3, 2018, at 8:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Top left is Jose Silveira & Anna Joaquina.
> 
> As to your question about the parents:
> 
> Jose son of pai incogito and Maria de Sao Jose who was baptized in Sao Roque 
> do Pico (I can't tell which parish).
> 
> Anna daughter of Francisco Silveira, deceased, and Rita da Trindade, natives 
> (both) of this Santa Catarina.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> could someone tell me if this is the marriage of Jose Silveira and Anna 
>> Joaquina.
>> If so does it give parents names?
>> Or just could someone translate it for me?
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809_item1/P194.html
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Cheri Mello]

Top left is Jose Silveira & Anna Joaquina.

As to your question about the parents:

Jose son of pai incogito and Maria de Sao Jose who was baptized in Sao
Roque do Pico (I can't tell which parish).

Anna daughter of Francisco Silveira, deceased, and Rita da Trindade,
natives (both) of this Santa Catarina.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> could someone tell me if this is the marriage of Jose Silveira and Anna
> Joaquina.
> If so does it give parents names?
> Or just could someone translate it for me?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-
> 1809_item1/P194.html
>
> Thank you
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

could someone tell me if this is the marriage of Jose Silveira and Anna
Joaquina.
If so does it give parents names?
Or just could someone translate it for me?


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809_item1/P194.html

Thank you
Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

To some extent, what Ángela Loura points out is made even more difficult by 
the *acordo* from the 1990s by which the Portuguese-speaking world 
agreed--to varying degrees--on standardizing spellings going forward, based 
on how they were actually being said. For example, many words that had "ct" 
in them, such as "projecto" changed to show how they were being pronounced: 
"projeto." (If only English did the same!) Thus, "Baptista" is now spelled 
"Batista." However, when doing genealogy, we strive to stay with the 
spellings as they actually appear on documents. For example, my 
great-grandmother's name appears as "Francesca" despite the fact that the 
only spelling I've seen--including for her own daughter--is "Francisca."

Then we have to factor in human error, as in the priest performing the 
baptism and not paying closer attention to what he's actually writing or 
the peasant pronouncing a name in such a way that the person writing it 
hears something else.

Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

It sounds wonderful, Tomas, what you and your family did to preserve the
past.

Rosemarie
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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Tomas Leal  wrote:

> Thank you for your comment, Sam. When pour house was first ready for
> occupancy at the end of 2009, many locals thought we were crazy to build a
> "new" house out of the stones and roof tiles of ruins, and worse that than
> to assemble those pieces to give the impression the "new" house was already
> from the 1800s. Really, the neighbors thought we were crazy--until I
> explained to them (in my then-rudimentary Portuguese) that we believed we
> should honor our Azorean ancestors and respect the past. My response struck
> a chord with several local residents, and since that time they have come to
> respect what we've done. Restoring Laureano's house cemented our place in
> the community and coincided with a resurgence of interest in the past and
> preserving the adega-style architecture of the area, which so many of the
> locals viewed as reminders of the past of poverty and desperation. More of
> them now see the beauty of what our ancestors did in the face of terrible
> adversity.
>
> I take for granted what we did, and I find once again I need a
> reminder--thank you, Sam--that rediscovering and then preserving our
> heritage is perhaps one of the most important things we can do in our time
> here.
>
> Tomás Leal
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 4:46:29 PM UTC, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>>
>> Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the
>> hearts of its residents.  Well done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Camas, WA)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

Thank you for your comment, Sam. When pour house was first ready for 
occupancy at the end of 2009, many locals thought we were crazy to build a 
"new" house out of the stones and roof tiles of ruins, and worse that than 
to assemble those pieces to give the impression the "new" house was already 
from the 1800s. Really, the neighbors thought we were crazy--until I 
explained to them (in my then-rudimentary Portuguese) that we believed we 
should honor our Azorean ancestors and respect the past. My response struck 
a chord with several local residents, and since that time they have come to 
respect what we've done. Restoring Laureano's house cemented our place in 
the community and coincided with a resurgence of interest in the past and 
preserving the adega-style architecture of the area, which so many of the 
locals viewed as reminders of the past of poverty and desperation. More of 
them now see the beauty of what our ancestors did in the face of terrible 
adversity.

I take for granted what we did, and I find once again I need a 
reminder--thank you, Sam--that rediscovering and then preserving our 
heritage is perhaps one of the most important things we can do in our time 
here.

Tomás Leal


On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 4:46:29 PM UTC, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
> Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the hearts 
> of its residents.  Well done.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>  
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Liz Migliori]

Lol right

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:22 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> 
> Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of Mau Tempo do Canal and 
> discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also shows 
> it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but "Laureano" 
> when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her brother 
> Laureano. No wonder there's so much confusion about the spelling of 
> names!Yikes! 
> 
> This second spelling (which we put in azulejos on the façade of the restored 
> building) is the one confirmed for us by the owners of the Escola Regional de 
> Artesenato de Santo Amaro, twins Alzira and Conceição Neves, both of whom 
> knew Laureano when they were children and young adults. (Laureano died in the 
> early 1960s.)
> 
> Oh well, who ever said genealogical research would be simple?
> 
> Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Liz Migliori]

I've not heard of them before for Portuguese.   So for me they are uncommon. 
Especially in my lines

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> On Aug 15, 2017, at 11:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I think that's the first time I've see Laurianno in my research! Glad you 
> figured out the last name too. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
>> 
>> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your computer 
>> program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as Laurianno or 
>> whatever it said.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>>> Hi Liz,
>>> 
>>> Laureanno Falcão
>>> 
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>>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_item1/P115.html
 
 can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno 
 #56 on right side
 
 Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

A relative of mine that died recently was called Laureano. I guess this is
one of those cases where we can use both forms nowadays. Laureano/Lauriano,
Açoreano/Açoriano, Victor/Vitor, Baptista/Batista, etc...

2017-08-16 11:22 GMT+01:00 Tomas Leal :

> Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of *Mau Tempo do Canal* and
> discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also
> shows it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but
> "Laureano" when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her
> brother Laureano. No wonder there's so much confusion about the spelling of
> names!Yikes!
>
> This second spelling (which we put in azulejos on the façade of the
> restored building) is the one confirmed for us by the owners of the Escola
> Regional de Artesenato de Santo Amaro, twins Alzira and Conceição Neves,
> both of whom knew Laureano when they were children and young adults.
> (Laureano died in the early 1960s.)
>
> Oh well, who ever said genealogical research would be simple?
>
> Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

Oops, Lauriano Falcão. No cedilla (ç) under the "c." I type too much
Conceição and I just typed that in Falção out of habit. Sorry for the
misspelling!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:46 AM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the hearts
> of its residents.  Well done.
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Tomas Leal <tomasl...@comcast.net>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:08 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria
>
>
>
> The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with
> varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread
> communication that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José,
> Manuel, António, and so on. So many other names have variant spellings
> because of the use of spelling as something sounded, based on the local
> pronunciation.
>
>
>
> Here on Pico, the "standard" spelling is Laureano. Many years ago, a
> well-known resident in Terra Alta, Santo Amaro had a near-mythic place in
> the minds of residents. His "fame" caught the attention of Vitorino
> Nemesio, who included a mention of Laureano in *Mau Tempo do Canal.* |A
> copy of the page from the book was made into an azulejo decoration for the
> ferry terminal in Horta (and it was moved from the old terminal to the new
> building).
>
>
>
> I was delighted to see the azulejo and a written spelling of the name
> because I now live on the property of Laureano's home as an adult, when he
> gained his "fame." The house was a ruin that posed danger so we rebuilt it
> to last another few hundred years. In the clearing, we found a few
> "artifacts" in the ruin, including the ink bottle he used with his writing
> to judges in São Roque, who valued his opinions based on his voluminous
> reading. We restored the ruin to its original appearance and named it "Casa
> do Laueano," much to the delight of several older residents, one of whom
> had tears in her eyes when she first saw the restored building.
>
>
>
> Tomás Leal
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the hearts of 
its residents.  Well done.

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Tomas Leal
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:08 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with 
varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread communication 
that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José, Manuel, António, and 
so on. So many other names have variant spellings because of the use of 
spelling as something sounded, based on the local pronunciation.

Here on Pico, the "standard" spelling is Laureano. Many years ago, a well-known 
resident in Terra Alta, Santo Amaro had a near-mythic place in the minds of 
residents. His "fame" caught the attention of Vitorino Nemesio, who included a 
mention of Laureano in Mau Tempo do Canal. |A copy of the page from the book 
was made into an azulejo decoration for the ferry terminal in Horta (and it was 
moved from the old terminal to the new building). 

I was delighted to see the azulejo and a written spelling of the name because I 
now live on the property of Laureano's home as an adult, when he gained his 
"fame." The house was a ruin that posed danger so we rebuilt it to last another 
few hundred years. In the clearing, we found a few "artifacts" in the ruin, 
including the ink bottle he used with his writing to judges in São Roque, who 
valued his opinions based on his voluminous reading. We restored the ruin to 
its original appearance and named it "Casa do Laueano," much to the delight of 
several older residents, one of whom had tears in her eyes when she first saw 
the restored building.

Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of *Mau Tempo do Canal* and 
discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also 
shows it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but 
"Laureano" when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her 
brother Laureano. No wonder there's so much confusion about the spelling of 
names!Yikes! 

This second spelling (which we put in azulejos on the façade of the 
restored building) is the one confirmed for us by the owners of the Escola 
Regional de Artesenato de Santo Amaro, twins Alzira and Conceição Neves, 
both of whom knew Laureano when they were children and young adults. 
(Laureano died in the early 1960s.)

Oh well, who ever said genealogical research would be simple?

Tomás

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with 
varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread 
communication that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José, 
Manuel, António, and so on. So many other names have variant spellings 
because of the use of spelling as something sounded, based on the local 
pronunciation.

Here on Pico, the "standard" spelling is Laureano. Many years ago, a 
well-known resident in Terra Alta, Santo Amaro had a near-mythic place in 
the minds of residents. His "fame" caught the attention of Vitorino 
Nemesio, who included a mention of Laureano in *Mau Tempo do Canal.* |A 
copy of the page from the book was made into an azulejo decoration for the 
ferry terminal in Horta (and it was moved from the old terminal to the new 
building). 

I was delighted to see the azulejo and a written spelling of the name 
because I now live on the property of Laureano's home as an adult, when he 
gained his "fame." The house was a ruin that posed danger so we rebuilt it 
to last another few hundred years. In the clearing, we found a few 
"artifacts" in the ruin, including the ink bottle he used with his writing 
to judges in São Roque, who valued his opinions based on his voluminous 
reading. We restored the ruin to its original appearance and named it "Casa 
do Laueano," much to the delight of several older residents, one of whom 
had tears in her eyes when she first saw the restored building.

Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I think that's the first time I've see Laurianno in my research! Glad you
figured out the last name too.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
>
> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your
> computer program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as
> Laurianno or whatever it said.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> Laureanno Falcão
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

I know a man with the first name Lauriano. And I know people with the
surname Falção. I don't know what you mean by normal. I think both are
regular names. I don't know how common or uncommon they are.

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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Thanks.  I would have NEVER figured that one.  Is that a normal Portuguese
> name
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
>
> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your
> computer program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as
> Laurianno or whatever it said.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura 
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>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> Laureanno Falcão
>>
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>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_i
>>> tem1/P115.html
>>>
>>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>>> #56 on right side
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

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Thanks.  I would have NEVER figured that one.  Is that a normal Portuguese name

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> On Aug 15, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
> 
> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your computer 
> program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as Laurianno or 
> whatever it said.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> 
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>> 
>> Laureanno Falcão
>> 
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>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_item1/P115.html
>>> 
>>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno 
>>> #56 on right side
>>> 
>>> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano

I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your computer
program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as Laurianno or
whatever it said.

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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Hi Liz,
>
> Laureanno Falcão
>
>
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> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_
>> item1/P115.html
>>
>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>> #56 on right side
>>
>> Thanks
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

I think it's Laurianno Falção. Laurianno is spelled differently today, but
I don't know the spelling.

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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
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> Liz, I think the first name is Laurianno but the last? Faleao? I thought
> at first that it was an 'S' but then it looks like there is the cross for
> an 'F'. Perhaps someone familier with the village can be of more help!
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_
>> item1/P115.html
>>
>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>> #56 on right side
>>
>> Thanks
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Liz,

Laureanno Falcão


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2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-
> 1874_item1/P115.html
>
> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
> #56 on right side
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Liz, I think the first name is Laurianno but the last? Faleao? I thought at
first that it was an 'S' but then it looks like there is the cross for an
'F'. Perhaps someone familier with the village can be of more help!

Rosemarie
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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-
> 1874_item1/P115.html
>
> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
> #56 on right side
>
> Thanks
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_item1/P115.html

can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
#56 on right side

Thanks
Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Liz Migliori]

Wow that it states that the godparents were the children of.  That's great

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> On May 2, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Shirley Allegre <shir...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> 
> This is what I see:
> Francisco
> (Thomas Correa X Rosa Maria)
> Santa Barbara - Cedros
> DOB  26 Oct 1790
> BAPT  premiero = 1 Nov 1790
> GODPARENTS:
> Francisco da Rosa & Angelica Rosa, both single
> children of:  (Manoel da Rosa da Silveira)
>  
> Shirley in CA
> - Original Message -
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> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791_item1/P387.html
> 
> Hi  can some complete the translation for me.  3rd down onRight.
> Francisco son of Thomas Correia and Rosa Maria born October 2? 1790
> I can't tell birth date or Baptism date.
> 
> Godfather Francisco da Rosa and Angelina Rosa Single?   who is single?
> then something about Manuel da Rosa Sylveira???
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Shirley Allegre]

This is what I see:
Francisco
(Thomas Correa X Rosa Maria)
Santa Barbara - Cedros
DOB  26 Oct 1790
BAPT  premiero = 1 Nov 1790
GODPARENTS:
Francisco da Rosa & Angelica Rosa, both single
children of:  (Manoel da Rosa da Silveira)

Shirley in CA
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  Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 4:41 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help


  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791_item1/P387.html


  Hi  can some complete the translation for me.  3rd down on Right.

  Francisco son of Thomas Correia and Rosa Maria born October 2? 1790

  I can't tell birth date or Baptism date.


  Godfather Francisco da Rosa and Angelina Rosa Single?   who is single?

  then something about Manuel da Rosa Sylveira???


  Thx

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Cheri Mello]

His "s" looks like an "f" so it crashes into the words above and below.

Born 26 Oct 1790. Godparents are both single. I'm not sure about Manuel da
Rosa Silveira. Maybe he was the proxy/stand in.

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791_item1/P387.html
>
> Hi  can some complete the translation for me.  3rd down on Right.
> Francisco son of Thomas Correia and Rosa Maria born October *2?* 1790
> I can't tell birth date or Baptism date.
>
> Godfather Francisco da Rosa and Angelina Rosa Single?   who is single?
> then something about Manuel da Rosa Sylveira???
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1745-1791_item1/P387.html

Hi  can some complete the translation for me.  3rd down on Right.
Francisco son of Thomas Correia and Rosa Maria born October *2?* 1790
I can't tell birth date or Baptism date.

Godfather Francisco da Rosa and Angelina Rosa Single?   who is single?
then something about Manuel da Rosa Sylveira???

Thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help Bap

[Cheri Mello]

I think that's supposed to be a "nat." for natives of.

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On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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> The 2nd line starts with Maria Rosa  again.
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> You have the dates right.
>>
>> I don't know where you are reading "2ce." Which line?
>>
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>> wrote:
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>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>>> CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P65.html
>>>
>>> Bottom right  Manuel son of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa ?
>>>
>>> Why does it have mother's name Maria Rosa 2ce?
>>>
>>> Jan 12, 1819 ??  Bap Jan 16??
>>>
>>> what do notes on left side column say
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help Bap

[Elizabeth Migliori]

The 2nd line starts with Maria Rosa  again.

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> You have the dates right.
>
> I don't know where you are reading "2ce." Which line?
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>> CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P65.html
>>
>> Bottom right  Manuel son of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa ?
>>
>> Why does it have mother's name Maria Rosa 2ce?
>>
>> Jan 12, 1819 ??  Bap Jan 16??
>>
>> what do notes on left side column say
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>> thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help Bap

[Cheri Mello]

You have the dates right.

I don't know where you are reading "2ce." Which line?

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On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P65.html
>
> Bottom right  Manuel son of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa ?
>
> Why does it have mother's name Maria Rosa 2ce?
>
> Jan 12, 1819 ??  Bap Jan 16??
>
> what do notes on left side column say
>
> thx
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[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P65.html

Bottom right  Manuel son of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa ?

Why does it have mother's name Maria Rosa 2ce?

Jan 12, 1819 ??  Bap Jan 16??

what do notes on left side column say

thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help please

[Maria Lima]

Regarding the name Ricarda- I have a Maria Ricarda but that's not her last name 
so I don't know if this answers your question but I know I have one in my 
database .  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri,
> Is Ricarda a common name?  Would this be the brides mother's last name?
> 
> Liz
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Groom's mom: Victoria da Ponte. Groom is 23 (vinte e tres)
>> Bride: natural, e seus paes, e baptizado nesta mesma freguesia (native, and 
>> her parents, and baptized in this same freguesia - so she's from Arrifes 
>> too). 
>> Bride's mom: Maria Ricarda. Bride is 22.
>> 
>> Grandparents are listed in marriages. Only baptisms from the 3rd time period 
>> (1860-1911). Unless you get a verbose priest and get lucky.
>> 
>> You got the rest right :)
>> Cheri
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
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>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>>> wrote:
>>> #33 on left side
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html
>>> 
>>> Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names
>>> 
>>> I think I'm seeing 
>>> Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
>>>   son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old
>>> 
>>> Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
>>>   daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is
>>> 
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>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help please

[Cheri Mello]

Maria Ricarda is her first and middle names.  I've seen a few. Not a whole
lot.

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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
> Is Ricarda a common name?  Would this be the brides mother's last name?
>
> Liz
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Groom's mom: Victoria da Ponte. Groom is 23 (vinte e tres)
>> Bride: natural, e seus paes, e baptizado nesta mesma freguesia (native,
>> and her parents, and baptized in this same freguesia - so she's from
>> Arrifes too).
>> Bride's mom: Maria Ricarda. Bride is 22.
>>
>> Grandparents are listed in marriages. Only baptisms from the 3rd time
>> period (1860-1911). Unless you get a verbose priest and get lucky.
>>
>> You got the rest right :)
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> #33 on left side
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>>> ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html
>>>
>>> Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names
>>>
>>> I think I'm seeing
>>> Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
>>>   son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old
>>>
>>> Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
>>>   daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is
>>>
>>> THX
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help please

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Hi Cheri,
Is Ricarda a common name?  Would this be the brides mother's last name?

Liz

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Groom's mom: Victoria da Ponte. Groom is 23 (vinte e tres)
> Bride: natural, e seus paes, e baptizado nesta mesma freguesia (native,
> and her parents, and baptized in this same freguesia - so she's from
> Arrifes too).
> Bride's mom: Maria Ricarda. Bride is 22.
>
> Grandparents are listed in marriages. Only baptisms from the 3rd time
> period (1860-1911). Unless you get a verbose priest and get lucky.
>
> You got the rest right :)
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> #33 on left side
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html
>>
>> Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names
>>
>> I think I'm seeing
>> Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
>>   son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old
>>
>> Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
>>   daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is
>>
>> THX
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help please

[Elizabeth Migliori]

thank You MUCHO!!

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Groom's mom: Victoria da Ponte. Groom is 23 (vinte e tres)
> Bride: natural, e seus paes, e baptizado nesta mesma freguesia (native,
> and her parents, and baptized in this same freguesia - so she's from
> Arrifes too).
> Bride's mom: Maria Ricarda. Bride is 22.
>
> Grandparents are listed in marriages. Only baptisms from the 3rd time
> period (1860-1911). Unless you get a verbose priest and get lucky.
>
> You got the rest right :)
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> #33 on left side
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html
>>
>> Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names
>>
>> I think I'm seeing
>> Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
>>   son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old
>>
>> Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
>>   daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is
>>
>> THX
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help please

[Cheri Mello]

Groom's mom: Victoria da Ponte. Groom is 23 (vinte e tres)
Bride: natural, e seus paes, e baptizado nesta mesma freguesia (native, and
her parents, and baptized in this same freguesia - so she's from Arrifes
too).
Bride's mom: Maria Ricarda. Bride is 22.

Grandparents are listed in marriages. Only baptisms from the 3rd time
period (1860-1911). Unless you get a verbose priest and get lucky.

You got the rest right :)
Cheri

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> #33 on left side
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html
>
> Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names
>
> I think I'm seeing
> Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
>   son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old
>
> Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
>   daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is
>
> THX
> Liz
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[Elizabeth Migliori]

#33 on left side

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html

Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names

I think I'm seeing
Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
  son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old

Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
  daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is

THX
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, you have the right date.  It also says he was a widower.

You're welcome!
mv

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> Hi and thank you
> Does this say Dec 31 1784 he died?
> If so I've found another mess up on the Uminho site.  Is it just my
> relatives that get messed up.  Beginning to think they didn't want to be
> found.  lol
>
> Liz
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Manuel Furtado, 70 years old (more or less).  Living at Fonte do Meio
>> (name of the place where he was living).  This is useful in confirming you
>> have the right Manuel Furtado
>> No parents given.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P122.html
>>>
>>> 2nd down on right hand side.
>>> Is this Manuel furtado?  Does it say how old he was or his parents names
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Liz
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Hi and thank you
Does this say Dec 31 1784 he died?
If so I've found another mess up on the Uminho site.  Is it just my
relatives that get messed up.  Beginning to think they didn't want to be
found.  lol

Liz

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> Manuel Furtado, 70 years old (more or less).  Living at Fonte do Meio
> (name of the place where he was living).  This is useful in confirming you
> have the right Manuel Furtado
> No parents given.
>
> Margaret
>
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>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P122.html
>>
>> 2nd down on right hand side.
>> Is this Manuel furtado?  Does it say how old he was or his parents names
>>
>> Thx
>> Liz
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Manuel Furtado, 70 years old (more or less).  Living at Fonte do Meio (name
of the place where he was living).  This is useful in confirming you have
the right Manuel Furtado
No parents given.

Margaret

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>
> 2nd down on right hand side.
> Is this Manuel furtado?  Does it say how old he was or his parents names
>
> Thx
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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P122.html

2nd down on right hand side.
Is this Manuel furtado?  Does it say how old he was or his parents names

Thx
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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

ulturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1710-1742/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1710-1742_item1/P24.html

Top Left side
does this say Maria Perriera de Mendonca died February 22, 1713???
does it give husbands or parents or anyone else's name.

Thanks in advance
Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Liz, you know you have been directed to the word "idade" (age) several
times in the last week or so. It's there, try to read the age. It also
states her parent's names (filha legit) natives of desta (this, Cedros)
freguisia. These records are pretty clear and you should be able to pick
out the words with your genealogical word list. Keep trying a little harder
and you will be able to see the answers!

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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>
> Hi
> Top Left side continuation of Maria Rita.
> can someone tell me how old she was when she died  and where and who she
> was married to.
>
> Thx
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

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Hi
Top Left side continuation of Maria Rita.
can someone tell me how old she was when she died  and where and who she
was married to.

Thx
Liz

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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

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Hi
Middle left side Antonio Silveira Santa.   Does it say how old he was or
where he died.
I keep seeing words Santa Madre Egoya or something like that .  What does
that mean.

Thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Cheri Mello]

"age" is still "idade." Look on line 7
...de idade de sessenta e dois an-
nos
of the age of 70 and 2 years(hyphenated).

Double Ss look like sf.
Portuguese Word List here: https://goo.gl/rNYqjN

He died in that freguesia. If he died somewhere else, you wouldn't have
found  him there :)

Now that you have the word list, you can see Santa Madre Igregia (old
spelling starts with an E) is the Holy Mother Church.

Cheri Mello
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Achada

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html
>
> Hi
> Middle left side Antonio Silveira Santa.   Does it say how old he was or
> where he died.
> I keep seeing words Santa Madre Egoya or something like that .  What does
> that mean.
>
> Thx
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Thank you Margaret for that clarification! I sometimes see that and I
wonder if they mean sons or all children left! That clears it up nicely.


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On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hi Liz,  as an fyi and if I may point out where it reads "deixou tres
> filhos" it does not mean 3 sons.  This is where Portuguese gets a little
> difficult because  there could be a mix of both sexes. Filhos in this case
> would be better translated as "left 3 kids or 3 children, or 3 offspring"
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:42 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid not. She did not leave a will, and most people don't. They
>> seldom do, except where it might name one family member who is responsible
>> for carrying out the last wishes, so many prayers, etc...occasionally it
>> will reference some property and make reference to a will and a Tabeliao,
>> like a lawyer or notary. Then you would have to look that up.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:25:04 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Does it say something about 3 sons?   Tres filhos
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:56 AM, JR  wrote:
>>>
>>> It appears the priest tried to remedy the name. So it looks like Gomes
>>> was over-written with Ennes. Only way to know which is correct is for you
>>> to know through other records.
>>>
>>> Dec 25- 1889, Anna Clara natural desta fraguesia, casada com Manoel
>>> Silveira Santa, died at 57 yrs. old "na casa de sua residencia lugar de
>>> Cascalho desta fraguesia dos Cedros, ilha do Fayal...nao fez testamento
>>> deixou tres filhos, e foi sepultada cemeterio publico..."
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 8:09:49 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:

 Wow. Could not have figured that one

 Thank you

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:38 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
 azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Elizabeth, she died at the age of 57.
 Her parents were Joaquim José Eames and her mother was Maria Rosa.

 Altino

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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html

 Hi
 Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part
 says Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
 But does this say how old she was?
 can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???

 Thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Liz,  as an fyi and if I may point out where it reads "deixou tres
filhos" it does not mean 3 sons.  This is where Portuguese gets a little
difficult because  there could be a mix of both sexes. Filhos in this case
would be better translated as "left 3 kids or 3 children, or 3 offspring"


On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:42 PM, JR  wrote:

> I'm afraid not. She did not leave a will, and most people don't. They
> seldom do, except where it might name one family member who is responsible
> for carrying out the last wishes, so many prayers, etc...occasionally it
> will reference some property and make reference to a will and a Tabeliao,
> like a lawyer or notary. Then you would have to look that up.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:25:04 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>>
>> Thank you
>> Does it say something about 3 sons?   Tres filhos
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:56 AM, JR  wrote:
>>
>> It appears the priest tried to remedy the name. So it looks like Gomes
>> was over-written with Ennes. Only way to know which is correct is for you
>> to know through other records.
>>
>> Dec 25- 1889, Anna Clara natural desta fraguesia, casada com Manoel
>> Silveira Santa, died at 57 yrs. old "na casa de sua residencia lugar de
>> Cascalho desta fraguesia dos Cedros, ilha do Fayal...nao fez testamento
>> deixou tres filhos, e foi sepultada cemeterio publico..."
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 8:09:49 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Could not have figured that one
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:38 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Elizabeth, she died at the age of 57.
>>> Her parents were Joaquim José Eames and her mother was Maria Rosa.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says
>>> Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
>>> But does this say how old she was?
>>> can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Liz Migliori]

Thank you
Does it say something about 3 sons?   Tres filhos

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:56 AM, JR  wrote:
> 
> It appears the priest tried to remedy the name. So it looks like Gomes was 
> over-written with Ennes. Only way to know which is correct is for you to know 
> through other records.
> 
> Dec 25- 1889, Anna Clara natural desta fraguesia, casada com Manoel Silveira 
> Santa, died at 57 yrs. old "na casa de sua residencia lugar de Cascalho desta 
> fraguesia dos Cedros, ilha do Fayal...nao fez testamento deixou tres filhos, 
> e foi sepultada cemeterio publico..."
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 8:09:49 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>> Wow. Could not have figured that one
>> 
>> Thank you 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:38 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth, she died at the age of 57.
>>> Her parents were Joaquim José Eames and her mother was Maria Rosa.
>>> 
>>> Altino
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html
 
 Hi
 Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says 
 Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
 But does this say how old she was? 
 can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???
 
 Thx
 Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[JR]

I'm afraid not. She did not leave a will, and most people don't. They 
seldom do, except where it might name one family member who is responsible 
for carrying out the last wishes, so many prayers, etc...occasionally it 
will reference some property and make reference to a will and a Tabeliao, 
like a lawyer or notary. Then you would have to look that up.

JR

On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:25:04 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>
> Thank you
> Does it say something about 3 sons?   Tres filhos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:56 AM, JR  wrote:
>
> It appears the priest tried to remedy the name. So it looks like Gomes was 
> over-written with Ennes. Only way to know which is correct is for you to 
> know through other records.
>
> Dec 25- 1889, Anna Clara natural desta fraguesia, casada com Manoel 
> Silveira Santa, died at 57 yrs. old "na casa de sua residencia lugar de 
> Cascalho desta fraguesia dos Cedros, ilha do Fayal...nao fez testamento 
> deixou tres filhos, e foi sepultada cemeterio publico..."
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 8:09:49 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>>
>> Wow. Could not have figured that one
>>
>> Thank you 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:38 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Elizabeth, she died at the age of 57.
>> Her parents were Joaquim José Eames and her mother was Maria Rosa.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html
>>
>> Hi
>> Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says 
>> Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
>> But does this say how old she was? 
>> can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???
>>
>> Thx
>> Liz
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

Elizabeth, she died at the age of 57.
Her parents were Joaquim José Eames and her mother was Maria Rosa.

Altino

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> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html
> 
> Hi
> Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says Anna 
> Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
> But does this say how old she was? 
> can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???
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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html

Hi
Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says
Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
But does this say how old she was?
can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???

Thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Cheri Mello]

Line numbers:
5) .. = Anna Clara = de ida-
6) de de cincoenta e sete annos, 

English:
5) . = Anna Clara = of age(hyphenated)
6) age of 50 (misspelled) and 7 years,..

Age is idade.
I think the father is Joaquim Jose Gomes.

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>
> Hi
> Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says
> Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
> But does this say how old she was?
> can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???
>
> Thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

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Wow. Could not have figured that one

Thank you 

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> Elizabeth, she died at the age of 57.
> Her parents were Joaquim José Eames and her mother was Maria Rosa.
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>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
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>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P68.html
>> 
>> Hi
>> Can someone translate top left.  It is continued but the first part says 
>> Anna Clara with husband Manuel Silveira Santa.
>> But does this say how old she was? 
>> can you tell her father's last name???  Joaquim Jose ???
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the information in regards to this because I was not aware of this 
practice. George

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On May 15, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote:

 George,
 
 It was not a tax, it was a way priests found to collect money from the 
 local people.  It was a practice characterized as a voluntary contribution, 
 but many times it became involuntary. In distant parishes, especially in the 
 colonies, priest's income was too low to cover his basic daily life and this 
 was a way they found to add more money to his living. 
 
 Unfortunately, many of these priests acted in abusive ways regarding 
 financial resources and their life style, including concubinage. Also, in the 
 colonies, not all the priests had a proper ecclesiastical education, which 
 lead to this type of behavior and against the all the Canonic Law, precepts 
 on how to be a good priest, established by the Council of Trent, in the 
 middle of the 1500's. The Roman Catholic Church tried to regulate this 
 situation several times.
 
 Isabella Baltar
 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com 
 
 On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:09:03 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote:
 Where did you get this information that a tax was paid by a person receiving 
 the Sacrament of Confession in the 19th century ? George
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On May 13, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No problem.
 
 There was a tax that the Priests collected for each confession.  It means 
 that they met their confession obligation and also paid the tax.  In the 
 year 1830 it cost $80 Reis for each which used to be collected after each 
 confession.
 
 The Catholic Church has a mandatory obligation of confession of at least one 
 time each year in the period of the 40 days of Lent.
 
 Hope this helps
 
 
 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Liz Migliori lizm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank u
 What does dis obligated mean
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased. 
 Her mother is Ana Maria.  
 Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being dis-obligated 
 in the current year
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com 
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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html
 
 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is 
 deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
 upper right hand side.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Isabella Baltar]

George,

It was not a tax, it was a way priests found to collect money from the 
local people.  It was a practice characterized as a voluntary contribution, 
but many times it became involuntary. In distant parishes, especially in 
the colonies, priest's income was too low to cover his basic daily life and 
this was a way they found to add more money to his living. 

Unfortunately, many of these priests acted in abusive ways regarding 
financial resources and their life style, including concubinage. Also, in 
the colonies, not all the priests had a proper ecclesiastical education, 
which lead to this type of behavior and against the all the Canonic Law, 
precepts on how to be a good priest, established by the Council of Trent, 
in the middle of the 1500's. The Roman Catholic Church tried to regulate 
this situation several times.

Isabella Baltar
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com 

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:09:03 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote:

 Where did you get this information that a tax was paid by a person 
 receiving the Sacrament of Confession in the 19th century ? George

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 13, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 No problem.

 There was a tax that the Priests collected for each confession.  It means 
 that they met their confession obligation and also paid the tax.  In the 
 year 1830 it cost $80 Reis for each which used to be collected after each 
 confession.

 The Catholic Church has a mandatory obligation of confession of at least 
 one time each year in the period of the 40 days of Lent.

 Hope this helps


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 javascript: wrote:

 Thank u
 What does dis obligated mean

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 12, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased. 
 Her mother is Ana Maria.  
 Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being 
 dis-obligated in the current year

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com 
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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html

 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he 
 is deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
 upper right hand side.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

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Thank u
What does dis obligated mean

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 Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased. 
 Her mother is Ana Maria.  
 Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being dis-obligated 
 in the current year
 
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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html
 
 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is 
 deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

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No problem.

There was a tax that the Priests collected for each confession.  It means
that they met their confession obligation and also paid the tax.  In the
year 1830 it cost $80 Reis for each which used to be collected after each
confession.

The Catholic Church has a mandatory obligation of confession of at least
one time each year in the period of the 40 days of Lent.

Hope this helps


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 Thank u
 What does dis obligated mean

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 12, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased.
 Her mother is Ana Maria.
 Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being
 dis-obligated in the current year

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html

 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he
 is deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
 upper right hand side.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

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Where did you get this information that a tax was paid by a person receiving 
the Sacrament of Confession in the 19th century ? George

Sent from my iPad

On May 13, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:

 No problem.
 
 There was a tax that the Priests collected for each confession.  It means 
 that they met their confession obligation and also paid the tax.  In the year 
 1830 it cost $80 Reis for each which used to be collected after each 
 confession.
 
 The Catholic Church has a mandatory obligation of confession of at least one 
 time each year in the period of the 40 days of Lent.
 
 Hope this helps
 
 
 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Liz Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank u
 What does dis obligated mean
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased. 
 Her mother is Ana Maria.  
 Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being dis-obligated 
 in the current year
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html
 
 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is 
 deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Shirley Allegre]

Mother is Anna Maria
I don't know what it says about 1836.

Shirley in CA
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  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help


  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html


  Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is 
deceased wife is Rita Maria.

  Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother

  Then what does it say about 1836?

  upper right hand side.


  Liz


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Margaret Vicente]

Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased.
Her mother is Ana Maria.
Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being dis-obligated
in the current year

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com
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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html

 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he
 is deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
 upper right hand side.

 Liz

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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html

Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is
deceased wife is Rita Maria.
Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
Then what does it say about 1836?
upper right hand side.

Liz

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