Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
hi, Marsha. yes, too funny! where in Arlington? could be more synchroncity... by the way, 4 Waldo Ave, being on a corner, was also 57 Dimick Street. (If you want any photos, I'm sure I have a few I could send your way... my mom didn't recognize your grandparents' name, but it would have been before her time -- still, you never know. all the best, di On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:00 PM, M. Stringer wrote: > Hi Di, > > > > Yet more similarities. > > > > I know my mother spoke of Waldo Avenue frequently, but they were > apparently there only a few years: after a 1923 directory (Beacon St) – > down the street by the 1930 Census (Dimick St). By 1933 they too were in > Arlington - until the early 1950s, after my grandfather’s death. > > > > When a cousin visited a few years ago went on a photo excursion – finding > and photographing family places. It’s been a while and I’m not sure if I > captured Waldo Ave. > > > > Marsha Stringer > > strin...@mstringer.net > > > -- > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Di > *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 6:25 PM > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to > track down source of US citizenship grant > > > > hi, Marsha. > > > > oh my goodness! that is so cool!! my avos lived on the second floor, and > my Dad grew up in that house. ...when we were little, my sisters & i, with > our parents, lived on the third floor of that very house. have you ever > seen the house? i will mention it to my mom when i talk to her later on > today; maybe she knows your grandparents...? > > > > (sometimes when i reflect on it, i'm amazed to think about how people > move: my Avó & Avô came all the way from the Azores to live in > Somerville... my mom's parents came all the way from Ireland... and then > when my own mom & dad decided to move, it was all of *four miles* to > Arlington.) > > > > all the best, > > di > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Hi Di, Yet more similarities. I know my mother spoke of Waldo Avenue frequently, but they were apparently there only a few years: after a 1923 directory (Beacon St) – down the street by the 1930 Census (Dimick St). By 1933 they too were in Arlington - until the early 1950s, after my grandfather’s death. When a cousin visited a few years ago went on a photo excursion – finding and photographing family places. It’s been a while and I’m not sure if I captured Waldo Ave. Marsha Stringer strin...@mstringer.net -- *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Di *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 6:25 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant hi, Marsha. oh my goodness! that is so cool!! my avos lived on the second floor, and my Dad grew up in that house. ...when we were little, my sisters & i, with our parents, lived on the third floor of that very house. have you ever seen the house? i will mention it to my mom when i talk to her later on today; maybe she knows your grandparents...? (sometimes when i reflect on it, i'm amazed to think about how people move: my Avó & Avô came all the way from the Azores to live in Somerville... my mom's parents came all the way from Ireland... and then when my own mom & dad decided to move, it was all of *four miles* to Arlington.) all the best, di -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
hi, Marsha. oh my goodness! that is so cool!! my avos lived on the second floor, and my Dad grew up in that house. ...when we were little, my sisters & i, with our parents, lived on the third floor of that very house. have you ever seen the house? i will mention it to my mom when i talk to her later on today; maybe she knows your grandparents...? (sometimes when i reflect on it, i'm amazed to think about how people move: my Avó & Avô came all the way from the Azores to live in Somerville... my mom's parents came all the way from Ireland... and then when my own mom & dad decided to move, it was all of *four miles* to Arlington.) all the best, di On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 7:23:23 PM UTC-7, M. Stringer wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > > > I recognized Waldo Ave and checked this morning: > > > > My grandparents (Amedeo + Mary Dutra Buonomo) and family resided at 4 > Waldo Ave, Somerville, per my grandfather’s 1928 naturalization papers! > Different addresses in 1920/1930 censuses. > > > > > > > > Marsha Stringer > > stri...@mstringer.net > > > -- > > *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *diane rezendes > *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 1:58 PM > *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to > track down source of US citizenship grant > > > > > > *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the > Azores* > >- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his >wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Hi, Margaret. Yes, I'm pretty sure you were corresponding with my second cousin, John (funny, I don't think I ever knew his middle name!). His father, Paul, and my dad (Stan) were first cousins. Paul was very interested in his Portuguese heritage, and I remember him showing me some articles he'd researched and written about the Portuguese language and how it influenced other languages. And yes, I'd love to receive anything you'd like to share, and quite gratefully too! this is so amazing, how quickly the connections are showing up... thanks! di On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > Nice to meet you also. Are you related to John Richard Rezendes? We had > initiated a couple of emails regarding this Manuel. > > Thank you John for posting the links. I was on the way out and didn't get > a chance to. > > Diane, I can send you all that I have on our Rezendes line. You will > still need to continue your research as to how Manuel got his citizenship. > I do know it is very possible his father acquired because many members of > the family left the island at the same time, including my Grandmother's > sister Victoria. > > They went first to Mass and then line settled in the Hawaiian Islands and > later in California. > > There was another member of this list by the name of Cindy whose husband > is also connected to this family. > > I'll be happy to share with you all that I have, and it you would like, > please email me directly with any questions you may have. > > Margaret > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Margaret Vicente > wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> The double V (W) was part of the alphabet however as later dropped as it >> became redundant and back on under the new orthographic accord along with >> the addition of letters K and Y. >> >> It's like "now you see it and now you don't" LOL. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello > > wrote: >> >>> Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought >>> stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks >>> the name is of Russian origin. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente >> > wrote: >>> Cheri, It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello >>> > wrote: > So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" > isn't used in Portuguese. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < > margare...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Diane, >> >> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel >> de Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >> >> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >> Furtado do Couto. >> >> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, >> married in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento >> de >> Rezendes. >> >> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side >> of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Cousin >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello > > wrote: >> >>> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the >>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will >>> need >>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >>> diane.r...@gmail.com > wrote: >>> Hi, Cheri. Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get it for you later on... from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much of it is helpful...): *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the Azores* - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September (10?), 1977. - immigrated via Port of Boston. - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in Somerville, MA - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at the Church of Sao Ped
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Hi Diane, I recognized Waldo Ave and checked this morning: My grandparents (Amedeo + Mary Dutra Buonomo) and family resided at 4 Waldo Ave, Somerville, per my grandfather’s 1928 naturalization papers! Different addresses in 1920/1930 censuses. Marsha Stringer strin...@mstringer.net -- *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *diane rezendes *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 1:58 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the Azores* - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Hi Diane, Nice to meet you also. Are you related to John Richard Rezendes? We had initiated a couple of emails regarding this Manuel. Thank you John for posting the links. I was on the way out and didn't get a chance to. Diane, I can send you all that I have on our Rezendes line. You will still need to continue your research as to how Manuel got his citizenship. I do know it is very possible his father acquired because many members of the family left the island at the same time, including my Grandmother's sister Victoria. They went first to Mass and then line settled in the Hawaiian Islands and later in California. There was another member of this list by the name of Cindy whose husband is also connected to this family. I'll be happy to share with you all that I have, and it you would like, please email me directly with any questions you may have. Margaret On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cheri, > > The double V (W) was part of the alphabet however as later dropped as it > became redundant and back on under the new orthographic accord along with > the addition of letters K and Y. > > It's like "now you see it and now you don't" LOL. > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought >> stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks >> the name is of Russian origin. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't used in Portuguese. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Diane, > > Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de > Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. > > He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel > Furtado do Couto. > > His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married > in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de > Rezendes. > > I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side > of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. > > Cheers, > > Cousin > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the >> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will >> need >> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >> diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cheri. >>> >>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >>> get it for you later on... >>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >>> much of it is helpful...): >>> >>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from >>> the Azores* >>> >>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>September (10?), 1977. >>>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>>in Somerville, MA >>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they >>> married at >>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>>the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know >>>- his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>>useful). >>> >>> >>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for >>> US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that >>> people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, >>> perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came >>> back >>> as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>>
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Cheri, The double V (W) was part of the alphabet however as later dropped as it became redundant and back on under the new orthographic accord along with the addition of letters K and Y. It's like "now you see it and now you don't" LOL. On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought > stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks > the name is of Russian origin. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" >>> isn't used in Portuguese. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Diane, Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel Furtado do Couto. His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. Cheers, Cousin On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the > Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will > need > his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < > diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, Cheri. >> >> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >> get it for you later on... >> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >> much of it is helpful...): >> >> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from >> the Azores* >> >>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>September (10?), 1977. >>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>in Somerville, MA >>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they >> married at >>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know >>- his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>useful). >> >> >> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >> >> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >> know)* >> >>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will >>verify. >>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on >>the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >>see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived >> there >>his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or >> not! >> >> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >> thanks! >> di >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> Di, >>> >>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >>> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >>>
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
dear JR, this is wonderful -- I've never seen it before-- and some of the names are completely new to me. thank you so very much! my family will love to see it, too. all the best, di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 5:12 PM, JR wrote: > Here he is on two pages: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911_item1/P108.html > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911_item1/P109.html > > Sao Pedro de Ponta Delgada, No 24, Manoel, born- Jan 20- 1901, bap- Feb > 18, filho de Manoel de Rezendes, carpinteiro, and Alexandrina da Gloria, > domestica, natives and parishioners of freguesia de Sao Pedro, where they > were received, neto paterno de Bento de Rezendes and Emilia Augusta and > Materna de Joaquim de Miranda and Margarida Julia; Padrinho, Caetano Jose, > negociante, and Madrinha, Maria de Jesus, solteira. > > Good luck. But with cousin like Margaret you won't need my help. > > JR > > On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 4:58:17 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought >> stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks >> the name is of Russian origin. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente >> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't used in Portuguese. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < margare...@gmail.com> wrote: > Diane, > > Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de > Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. > > He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel > Furtado do Couto. > > His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married > in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de > Rezendes. > > I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side > of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. > > Cheers, > > Cousin > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the >> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will >> need >> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >> diane.r...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cheri. >>> >>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >>> get it for you later on... >>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >>> much of it is helpful...): >>> >>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from >>> the Azores* >>> >>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>September (10?), 1977. >>>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>>in Somerville, MA >>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they >>> married at >>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>>the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know >>>- his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>>useful). >>> >>> >>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for >>> US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that >>> people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, >>> perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came >>> back >>> as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>> >>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as >>> we know)* >>> >>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will >>>verify. >>>- Year of death 192
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yes, Cousin! nice to 'meet' you. I do have questions, but don't know where to begin -- will start with trying to track this one down and then go from there. i think i am going to have to draw a diagram to be able to keep things clear in my mind. thank you so much! di On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 11:35:09 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > > Diane, > > Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de > Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. > > He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel > Furtado do Couto. > > His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in > Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. > > I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of > the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. > > Cheers, > > Cousin > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese >> alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his >> immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes > > wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cheri. >>> >>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >>> it for you later on... >>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >>> of it is helpful...): >>> >>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >>> Azores* >>> >>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>September (10?), 1977. >>>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>>Somerville, MA >>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married >>> at >>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>> useful). >>> >>> >>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>> >>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>> know)* >>> >>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>>if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there >>> his >>>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >>> >>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>> thanks! >>> di >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >> > wrote: >>> Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello >>> > wrote: > Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. > > The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know > what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know > that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped > a > friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, > obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. > > Try these: > "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee > Neagles. > > "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by > John J. Newman. > > "*A Guide to Na
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Hi, Cheri. here's the information I have around my avô's travel to the US. My understanding is that he came here three times: around 1914, again in 1925 to visit, and then in 1927 to stay. This is the information I have for the 1925 passage. Manuel Rezendes born Jan. 20, 1901 (son of Manuel Rezendes born around 1869 & Alexandrina da Gloria) Document: List of United States Citizens Ship’s name: Canada Sailing from: Ponta Delgada Sailing date: Feb 22, 1925 Arrival at: Port of Providence Date of arrival: March 2, 1925 (it’s a bit hard to read – looks like it says March 2 and a - (dash) after it, 1925). Address in US: 4 Waldo Ave, Somerville, Mass. Under the column for naturalization (it reads, “If naturalized, list location of court which issued naturalization papers, and date of papers”) it lists "P. Delgada, St. Michael, Azores, Jan. 20, 1901.” Above that, there's handwriting that reads, "through father's papers.' He came back again (for good, with his bride) in 1927 (I think that might have been Port of Boston, but not certain). The ship may have been the Canopic (White Star line). I don't have immediately handy records for the 1914 or 1927 journeys. ~ for census records, they are consistent with what we know. He first shows up in the 1930 census at his home in Somerville, MA with his wife and baby girl. He's in the 1940 census and the records are basically accurate, adding a boy and his mother-in-law. Spellings are a bit all over the place, but my guess is that maybe the interviews were done orally and the census takers just took down whatever they thought it was. Of course, the mystery I most want to solve is how did HIS father (another Manuel Rezendes -- earlier 'de Rezendes') become a US Citizen. To the question about his line of work: he was a carpenter/cabinet maker, and I think he spent some time as a merchant seaman -- perhaps he did some work for or in the US in that capacity...? Also, the family owned seven pineapple greenhouses - which I'd hoped to see when I visited, but they are long gone by now, of course. thanks for any & all help! muito obrigado! di On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 10:14:37 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Di, > > Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival > record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It > might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the > Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about > citizenship for your ancestor through the years? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >> >> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what >> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the >> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend >> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his >> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >> >> Try these: >> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >> Neagles. >> >> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John >> J. Newman. >> >> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina >> K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). >> >> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >> >> Cheri >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente > > wrote: >> >>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to >>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>> >>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, >>> naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking >>> in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and >>> grandparents history. >>> >>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >>> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >>> >>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics >>> i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello >> > wrote: >>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for them for years (going back to the INS days)
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Here he is on two pages: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911_item1/P108.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911_item1/P109.html Sao Pedro de Ponta Delgada, No 24, Manoel, born- Jan 20- 1901, bap- Feb 18, filho de Manoel de Rezendes, carpinteiro, and Alexandrina da Gloria, domestica, natives and parishioners of freguesia de Sao Pedro, where they were received, neto paterno de Bento de Rezendes and Emilia Augusta and Materna de Joaquim de Miranda and Margarida Julia; Padrinho, Caetano Jose, negociante, and Madrinha, Maria de Jesus, solteira. Good luck. But with cousin like Margaret you won't need my help. JR On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 4:58:17 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought > stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks > the name is of Russian origin. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente > wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello > > wrote: >> >>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" >>> isn't used in Portuguese. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente >> > wrote: >>> Diane, Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel Furtado do Couto. His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. Cheers, Cousin On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello >>> > wrote: > I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the > Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will > need > his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes > wrote: > >> Hi, Cheri. >> >> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >> get it for you later on... >> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >> much of it is helpful...): >> >> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from >> the Azores* >> >>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>September (10?), 1977. >>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>in Somerville, MA >>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they >> married at >>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know >>- his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>useful). >> >> >> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that >> people >> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >> >> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >> know)* >> >>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will >>verify. >>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on >>the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >>see if he had ever left. Our
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Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks the name is of Russian origin. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cheri, > > It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't >> used in Portuguese. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Diane, >>> >>> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de >>> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >>> >>> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >>> Furtado do Couto. >>> >>> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married >>> in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. >>> >>> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of >>> the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Cousin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Cheri. > > Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to > get it for you later on... > from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how > much of it is helpful...): > > *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the > Azores* > >- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >September (10?), 1977. >- immigrated via Port of Boston. >- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >in Somerville, MA >- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married > at >the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is > useful). > > > I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US > citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people > at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps > not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as > 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). > > *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we > know)* > >- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived > there >his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or > not! > > I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... > thanks! > di > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> Di, >> >> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >> Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant >> ancestor >> LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses >> say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM
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thanks, Rosemarie! i have the passenger manifest of US citizens for my avô but not the others... now I can't wait to get home! you guys rock! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Di, You certainly know a lot but I agree with Cheri, you need to look for > the ship lists for all of the 'brothers' that were granted citizenship > under their father. If you can work from what you know to what you haven't > been able to verify you might find what is needed. We'll let you get back > to work and look up all of your paperwork when you get home! I think that > finding the brothers' passports *out of the Azores* is a step you need to > take, hopefully you will get more direct info from there. > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes > wrote: > >> Hi, Cheri. >> >> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >> it for you later on... >> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >> of it is helpful...): >> >> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >> Azores* >> >>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>September (10?), 1977. >>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>Somerville, MA >>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >> useful). >> >> >> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >> >> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >> know)* >> >>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >> >> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >> thanks! >> di >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> Di, >>> >>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >>> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >>> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >>> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >>> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. Try these: "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee Neagles. "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John J. Newman. "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his
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we were told my grandmother's father loved Russian drama, so I think in the old country perhaps she would be something like Valdemira, but in the US, she was always Waldemira. On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese > alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his > immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes > wrote: > >> Hi, Cheri. >> >> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >> it for you later on... >> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >> of it is helpful...): >> >> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >> Azores* >> >>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>September (10?), 1977. >>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>Somerville, MA >>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >> useful). >> >> >> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >> >> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >> know)* >> >>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >> >> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >> thanks! >> di >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> Di, >>> >>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >>> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >>> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >>> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >>> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. Try these: "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee Neagles. "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John J. Newman. "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his > father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to > the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? > > These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American > Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American >
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Cousin!!! :-) yes - the other brothers are Alvaro and Ernesto, and we knew Maria as 'Gilda' -who stayed in Ponta Delgada. I think when we met her she might not have been married yet, or maybe she traveled to visit us on her own...? When Gaetano came here, he went by Clayton because he felt it sounded more American. We kids thought Clayton sounded so funny compared to all the other names. I have a copy of the marriage papers (but am guessing by the detail you provided, that you already have them... if I'm mistaken, lmk and I can send you a copy). Do you know how far back they came from Santa Maria? that's complete news to me. I kind of reckoned they were on São Miguel forever... what a wonderful Friday I am having, thanks to you and the community here!! so grateful! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Diane, > > Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de > Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. > > He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel > Furtado do Couto. > > His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in > Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. > > I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of > the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. > > Cheers, > > Cousin > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese >> alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his >> immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >> diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cheri. >>> >>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >>> it for you later on... >>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >>> of it is helpful...): >>> >>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >>> Azores* >>> >>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>September (10?), 1977. >>>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>>Somerville, MA >>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>> useful). >>> >>> >>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>> >>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>> know)* >>> >>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>>if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >>>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >>> >>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>> thanks! >>> di >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. > > The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know > what they laws were off the top of my head for the mi
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Di, You certainly know a lot but I agree with Cheri, you need to look for the ship lists for all of the 'brothers' that were granted citizenship under their father. If you can work from what you know to what you haven't been able to verify you might find what is needed. We'll let you get back to work and look up all of your paperwork when you get home! I think that finding the brothers' passports *out of the Azores* is a step you need to take, hopefully you will get more direct info from there. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes wrote: > Hi, Cheri. > > Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get > it for you later on... > from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much > of it is helpful...): > > *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the > Azores* > >- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September >(10?), 1977. >- immigrated via Port of Boston. >- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >Somerville, MA >- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his >wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). > > > I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US > citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people > at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps > not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as > 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). > > *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we > know)* > >- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! > > I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... > thanks! > di > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Di, >> >> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>> >>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what >>> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the >>> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend >>> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his >>> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >>> >>> Try these: >>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >>> Neagles. >>> >>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John >>> J. Newman. >>> >>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina >>> K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). >>> >>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm sugges
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Cheri, It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't > used in Portuguese. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Diane, >> >> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de >> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >> >> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >> Furtado do Couto. >> >> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in >> Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. >> >> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of >> the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Cousin >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the >>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need >>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >>> diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, Cheri. Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get it for you later on... from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much of it is helpful...): *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the Azores* - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September (10?), 1977. - immigrated via Port of Boston. - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in Somerville, MA - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we know)* - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... thanks! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Di, > > Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American > arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on > Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor > LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses > say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello > wrote: > >> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >> >> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know >> what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know >> that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I >> helped a >> friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, >> obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed >> earlier. >> >> Try these:
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So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" isn't used in Portuguese. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Diane, > > Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de > Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. > > He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel > Furtado do Couto. > > His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in > Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. > > I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of > the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. > > Cheers, > > Cousin > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese >> alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his >> immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >> diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cheri. >>> >>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >>> it for you later on... >>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >>> of it is helpful...): >>> >>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >>> Azores* >>> >>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>September (10?), 1977. >>>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>>Somerville, MA >>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>> useful). >>> >>> >>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>> >>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>> know)* >>> >>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>>if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >>>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >>> >>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>> thanks! >>> di >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. > > The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know > what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know > that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped > a > friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, > obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. > > Try these: > "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee > Neagles. > > "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by > John J. Newman. > > "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Sounds like her name could be Guillimina or a variation of. Rick From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 2:14 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes wrote: Hi, Cheri. Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get it for you later on... from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much of it is helpful...): my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the Azores * DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September (10?), 1977. * immigrated via Port of Boston. * Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in Somerville, MA * In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) * He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. * The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we know) * born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. * Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. * His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). * (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). * I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... thanks! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. Try these: "Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee Neagles. "American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985" by John J. Newman. "A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States" by Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente wrote: Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? These rights could only be acquired through a) a born American Citizen (which he's not) or b) a son/daughter of an American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Diane, Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel Furtado do Couto. His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. Cheers, Cousin On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese > alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his > immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes > wrote: > >> Hi, Cheri. >> >> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >> it for you later on... >> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >> of it is helpful...): >> >> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >> Azores* >> >>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>September (10?), 1977. >>- immigrated via Port of Boston. >>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>Somerville, MA >>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >> useful). >> >> >> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >> >> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >> know)* >> >>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >> >> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >> thanks! >> di >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> Di, >>> >>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >>> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >>> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >>> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >>> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. Try these: "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee Neagles. "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John J. Newman. "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, and from what you wrote his children
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes wrote: > Hi, Cheri. > > Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get > it for you later on... > from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much > of it is helpful...): > > *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the > Azores* > >- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September >(10?), 1977. >- immigrated via Port of Boston. >- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >Somerville, MA >- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his >wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). > > > I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US > citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people > at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps > not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as > 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). > > *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we > know)* > >- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! > > I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... > thanks! > di > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Di, >> >> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>> >>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what >>> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the >>> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend >>> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his >>> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >>> >>> Try these: >>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >>> Neagles. >>> >>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John >>> J. Newman. >>> >>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina >>> K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). >>> >>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and grandparents history. One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. Someone in th
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Hi, Cheri. Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get it for you later on... from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much of it is helpful...): *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the Azores* - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September (10?), 1977. - immigrated via Port of Boston. - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in Somerville, MA - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we know)* - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... thanks! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Di, > > Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival > record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It > might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the > Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about > citizenship for your ancestor through the years? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >> >> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what >> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the >> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend >> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his >> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >> >> Try these: >> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >> Neagles. >> >> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John >> J. Newman. >> >> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina >> K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). >> >> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >> >> Cheri >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to >>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>> >>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, >>> naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking >>> in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and >>> grandparents history. >>> >>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >>> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >>> >>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics >>> i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Po
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. > > The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what > they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the > rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend > with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his > citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. > > Try these: > "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee > Neagles. > > "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John > J. Newman. > > "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina > K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). > > I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. > > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to >> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >> >> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, >> naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking >> in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and >> grandparents history. >> >> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >> >> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics >> i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello >> wrote: >> >>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in >>> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for >>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures >>> too. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di wrote: >>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East Cambridge, MA. On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts > & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the > commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to > Cheri > Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. > > Here's what I'm trying to figure out: > > My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta > Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a document > from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" > about him. So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even > though he never took advantage of it. > > It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was > for him and his children. So his five children were born with Portuguese > AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated > without > having to be naturalized. > > On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is > listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home > address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). > > I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather > was granted the US citizenship. I've called the Consulate (they told me > they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). Recently while on a visit > to Washington, I went to the National Arch
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. Try these: "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee Neagles. "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by John J. Newman. "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente wrote: > Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his father's > "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to the USA, > someone that was "naturalised", right? > > These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American > Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, > naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking > in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and > grandparents history. > > One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in Ponta > Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. > > Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics > i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in >> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for >> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures >> too. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di wrote: >> >>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>> >>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never lived >>> in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and spent >>> his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>> Cambridge, MA. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: Hi everyone! I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to Cheri Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. Here's what I'm trying to figure out: My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even though he never took advantage of it. It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was for him and his children. So his five children were born with Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated without having to be naturalized. On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National Archives, where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- and in fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The other route I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that could take years, ha. *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down? I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! all the best, di Diane Rezendes >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsub
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and grandparents history. One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in > contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for > them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures > too. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di wrote: > >> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >> >> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never lived >> in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and spent >> his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >> Cambridge, MA. >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts & >>> replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the >>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to Cheri >>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>> >>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>> >>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta >>> Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a document >>> from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" >>> about him. So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even >>> though he never took advantage of it. >>> >>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was for >>> him and his children. So his five children were born with Portuguese AND >>> US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated without >>> having to be naturalized. >>> >>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is listed >>> as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home address >>> and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>> >>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather >>> was granted the US citizenship. I've called the Consulate (they told me >>> they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). Recently while on a visit >>> to Washington, I went to the National Archives, where the archivists told >>> me they'd never heard anything like it -- and in fact, doubted my story >>> until I showed them the paperwork. The other route I'm going to try, at >>> their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that could take years, ha. >>> >>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >>> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down? >>> >>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all tips/direction/advice >>> are warmly welcomed! >>> >>> all the best, >>> di >>> Diane Rezendes >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant
There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di wrote: > thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! > > here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never lived in > the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and spent his > whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US citizenship. > that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my grandfather & > great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East Cambridge, MA. > > > > On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts & >> replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the >> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to Cheri >> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >> >> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >> >> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta >> Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a document >> from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" >> about him. So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even >> though he never took advantage of it. >> >> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was for >> him and his children. So his five children were born with Portuguese AND >> US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated without >> having to be naturalized. >> >> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is listed >> as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home address >> and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >> >> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather >> was granted the US citizenship. I've called the Consulate (they told me >> they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). Recently while on a visit >> to Washington, I went to the National Archives, where the archivists told >> me they'd never heard anything like it -- and in fact, doubted my story >> until I showed them the paperwork. The other route I'm going to try, at >> their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that could take years, ha. >> >> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down? >> >> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all tips/direction/advice >> are warmly welcomed! >> >> all the best, >> di >> Diane Rezendes >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
