RE: [backstage] Track Playing updates, including a Radio Pop integration!
We're really excited that you've integrated this with Radio Pop, fantastic work! Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD Future Media Technology for BBC Audio Music Interactive http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Riley Sent: 11 September 2008 20:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Track Playing updates, including a Radio Pop integration! Hi all, I've been making some updates to Track Playing http://www.trackplaying.com you might be interested in. There are now interfaces for iPhone http://www.trackplaying.com/i , mobiles http://www.trackplaying.com/m , Wii http://www.trackplaying.com/w and iGoogle http://fusion.google.com/add?source=atgsmoduleurl=http%3A//www.trackpl aying.com/static/gadget/gadget.xml . I've also added a few interface tweaks, such as showing when the track playing was last updated (to account for Radio2 being so out of date!), and the album information is a little clearer. A couple of features I've added in response to feedback include a link to listen to the radio on iPlayer, and displaying Now and Next information, pulled from /programmes naturally ;o) And last but by no means least I've just put live an integration with Radio Pop http://www.radiopop.co.uk ! If you have Track Playing open and authorised with Radio Pop it will tell Radio Pop that you're listening. There is also a pop button, so you can pop from Track Playing as well. This uses the Radio Pop API http://www.radiopop.co.uk/api#input , and is the first time I've done anything using oAuth, so let me know if the experience of authorising Track Playing with Radio Pop is OK. In the works are plans to add the ability to use Track Playing to track what any Last.FM user is playing, and also to use it via IM (using imified.com). Finally, I do still plan to add scrobbling to Last.FM, but it is just a bit too complex to make it easy to do in a few evenings! Hope you like the updates, all comments welcome, Chris
RE: [backstage] Radio Pop
Hello everyone, Thanks for checking Radio Pop out and keep those bug reports coming. Radio Pop - tracklistings - last.fm is certainly on the list of things to look at. Specially for Backstage-type people there's an API you might want to look at http://www.radiopop.co.uk/api, including using OAuth to submit data to Radio Pop. Get in contact if you want to use it. Looking forward to the next Track Playing revision. Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD Future Media Technology for BBC Audio Music Interactive http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Riley Sent: 03 September 2008 16:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Radio Pop Hi Dafyd, From the looks of it Radio Pop is only intended to record the radio programmes you're listening too, not the music. But I guess it wouldn't be too hard for them to add in the link between the programmes you've listened to and the track listing for those programmes to extrapolate some more information about your music taste, and ultimatly chuck that at last.fm Until then though it looks like I might be able to add support for Radio Pop to my Track Playing website - http://www.trackplaying.com - it is quite a nice fit. If you are using Track Playing to find out about the artist playing on the radio, I then know what radio station you're listening to and can tell Radio Pop, and let you Pop aswell. And with the further update I want to make to Track Playing of having it scrobble the track information to last.fm, I might have quite a nice little service going on! FYI I've been making constant updates to Track Playing over the last week, but I'll post more on those later. All in all well done to the Radio Labs team, looks like a nice little prototype you've built there! (Note the link to widgets on http://www.radiopop.co.uk/help links to http://www.radiopop.co.uk/pulse, and that says Page not found.) Cheers, Chris 2008/9/3 Dafyd Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't think this has been posted to the list yet: Radio Labs' Radio Pop [http://www.radiopop.co.uk]. Social radio? Fit! Now, who's going to get it to talk nicely to Last.fm...? Blog post at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/09/radio_pop_social_radio_list eni.shtml. D. -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.dafyd.me.uk m: 07834 356 324
RE: [backstage] Radio 1 Now Playing web data prototype
Absolutely, nothing wrong with diversity. Hopefully all the ideas from this set of prototypes will inspire new, improved prototypes and maybe even real products. Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD BBC Audio Music Interactive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Riley Sent: 10 January 2008 19:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Radio 1 Now Playing web data prototype Thanks, I might just keep it going then! Chris On 10/01/2008, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/2008, Chris Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very similar to something I've already done http://cgriley.com/nowplaying/ It isn't as polished as the one you're producing, and since you are producing one I'll probably retire mine in a few weeks! I like yours too and it would be a shame to remove it :-) You've already linked to Amazon to buy the CD now similar to what I suggested for Simon Cross. Rather than spreading FUD about the non-commercial restriction, I feel I ought to explain what I mean there. I'll do that in a different thread, though :-) -- Regards, Dave (Personal opinion only, not the views of any employers past or present) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Radio One^^^Two Video Feed
Hey, That's cool. Radio 1 feed seems to have come back up if you want to switch. Can't guarantee how long it'll stay up though :( Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD BBC Audio Music Interactive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Minty Sent: 28 November 2007 12:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Jacqueline Phillimore Subject: [backstage] Radio One^^^Two Video Feed (Originally built for the Radio One Last.fm feed, but until that is fixed [1], I've switched this to Radio Two) Thought I'd share this: http://minty.org/player/ ... which aims to play a constant stream of videos (via YouTube) for the music just played on Radio Two. The video play order won't perfectly match the Radio Two play order but you should typically always be watching a video for something played in the last half hour. Give or take a few exceptions I shan't bore you with. I know this isn't all that new or original or special, but it was born out of wanting to get a constant stream of music videos without requiring human interaction. Oddly, neither Last.fm nor YouTube appear to currently let you do this. So think personal itch rather than startup beta :) There are a few things still to do - like reducing the update speed so it more closely follows the actual Radio Two playlist. And let you plug in any last.fm user so you don't have to watch only Radio Two's musical tastes. As well as support a Radio One feed in tandem. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg06621.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Last.fm Radio 1 Profile page stuck
Hi Tim, The 6Music and Radio 2 feeds are working (http://www.last.fm/user/bbc6music/ and http://www.last.fm/user/bbcradio2/). There are also a few show feeds at: Steve Lamacq - http://www.last.fm/user/bbc_6lamacq Zane Lowe - http://www.last.fm/user/bbc_zanelowe (down, sorry!) Ace Vis - http://www.last.fm/user/bbc_acevis (down, sorry!) We hope to have some more of these up soon. Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tim Dobson Sent: Mon 11/26/2007 7:17 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Last.fm Radio 1 Profile page stuck On 26/11/2007, Jacqueline Phillimore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been having some problems with the data quality generated for both R1 and 1Xtra, and so have had to pull the track data feeds for these stations while we sort out the problem. It'll be back soon we hope. Can I just thank you for having the last.fm profiles, It makes it so much easier to work out which (BBC) radio station you would like the most out of all of them when you can compare your music tastes with that of the radio station. Actually up to this point I thought only 1xtra had one so I am especially interested to hear about other stations having one I look forward to hearing when they are back up. -Tim -- www.dobo.urandom.co.uk If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Hi Andy, How does one report faults experienced in the downloads? If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking system (if you have one) perhaps you could add: I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your points... When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists many episodes, the enclosure links for these are invalid for all but the first entry (they return a 404 error). Potential fixes: Don't remove or move the files after 7 days. Follow the HTTP standard properly. If the file has moved use a 301 or 302 redirect. If it has been removed the correct response would be 410 (Gone), not 404 (Not Found). Remove entries from the RSS feed. (May still be a problem for some clients). We think this may be your feed reader / podcatcher archiving the RSS feed, so an old item remains listed, even though we've deleted the mp3 and removed any reference to it from the RSS feed. Our RSS feeds for podcasts should only contain valid items. A few questions: I saw that the Music Podcasts are UK only. Is this due to the BBC only acquiring the rights to UK distribution, or is it because the BBC wants to restrict it's content to the UK as we are the license fee payers. The licensing deal with PPL only covers the UK. As the files are only on the server for 7 days (as far as I can tell) are users meant to delete the files after that time, or if you've downloaded it can it be kept. I hope I don't have to find the delete option on my Generic Portable Ogg Vorbis Player (which also conveniently plays MP3). Also what is the BBC's rules on copying these podcasts, does the BBC license people to copy the file from say, their PC to their Generic Portable Music Player? Once you've downloaded an mp3, it's yours to keep forever and yes, you can copy it to your media player. The full terms of use are here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/terms/ Of course some of the podcasts are just extracts from the Radio shows so you could always just download the full shows from Radio Player. The only real difference (pun intended) is the file format. The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only. The BBC's agreements with rights holders prevent the BBC from authorising copies being made of internet audio streams. Hope that helps, Tristan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
I can't actually remember where this started but I presume from the thread title that it was something to do with our new music podcasts. Which we've just written about here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2007/11/music_podcasts.shtml -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Wed 11/21/2007 6:34 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here, the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in libre not gratis, so we don't want anything to do with software or codecs that involve patents, pretty much at least 80%+ of the people who own portable music players in the UK are going to turn around and say Chuffing hell, lads, why doesn't that work on my machine? I mean, I *paid* for all this stuff to be made by the BBC. Who are you to tell me which machines I should have to buy. I'm not suggesting that the BBC have the moral courage to take a stand on this issue like that; merely that they should not contribute to the problem by only using proprietary or patent-encumbered formats. I mean, isn't that the argument for the BBC making the iPlayer work in Linux - because a market is there and so the BBC should support it in the interest of universal access? Universal access is the ideal, but the iPlayer attacks that ideal because it is proprietary and DRM. So if the BBC makes the current iPlayer work in GNU/Linux in the interest of universal access, that will be tragic. Promoting proprietary software and inflicting DRM on people is unethical. If the BBC doesn't make its iPlayer work on GNU/Linux, but just makes it with DRMless patentless media formats (like the one invented at the BBC, perhaps?) and documents its protocols, that would be enough - because the free software community would write a (probably crossplatform) iPlayer-like program from that, itself, without needing any license-fee money spent. Or, they could just make 120+ radio programmes available free to download, for nothing, for people to keep for as long as they like, and re-encode into any format they want Reencoding them with patent encumbered software. Mmm. And, more the point, you will get all the anti aliasing artifacts if you don't encode from the original PCM WAV.. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Ummm...personally I have absolutely no idea, sorry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Wed 11/21/2007 12:00 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 21/11/2007, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't actually remember where this started but I presume from the thread title that it was something to do with our new music podcasts. Which we've just written about here: Indeed... thanks for doing the article, very interesting. Just as an aside, I have a collection of BBC Sound Effects records on vinyl, can I use 30 second snippets of these on a future podcast? For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sound_Effects_No._19_-_Doctor_Who_Sound_Effects http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2007/11/music_podcasts.shtml -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Wed 11/21/2007 6:34 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here, the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in libre not gratis, so we don't want anything to do with software or codecs that involve patents, pretty much at least 80%+ of the people who own portable music players in the UK are going to turn around and say Chuffing hell, lads, why doesn't that work on my machine? I mean, I *paid* for all this stuff to be made by the BBC. Who are you to tell me which machines I should have to buy. I'm not suggesting that the BBC have the moral courage to take a stand on this issue like that; merely that they should not contribute to the problem by only using proprietary or patent-encumbered formats. I mean, isn't that the argument for the BBC making the iPlayer work in Linux - because a market is there and so the BBC should support it in the interest of universal access? Universal access is the ideal, but the iPlayer attacks that ideal because it is proprietary and DRM. So if the BBC makes the current iPlayer work in GNU/Linux in the interest of universal access, that will be tragic. Promoting proprietary software and inflicting DRM on people is unethical. If the BBC doesn't make its iPlayer work on GNU/Linux, but just makes it with DRMless patentless media formats (like the one invented at the BBC, perhaps?) and documents its protocols, that would be enough - because the free software community would write a (probably crossplatform) iPlayer-like program from that, itself, without needing any license-fee money spent. Or, they could just make 120+ radio programmes available free to download, for nothing, for people to keep for as long as they like, and re-encode into any format they want Reencoding them with patent encumbered software. Mmm. And, more the point, you will get all the anti aliasing artifacts if you don't encode from the original PCM WAV.. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug
There will be something on the blog in the next few weeks, I promise! - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD BBC Audio Music Interactive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 19 November 2007 20:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug List needs moar Olinda info! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Ferne Sent: 19 November 2007 18:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug I'm also trying to get one of our team to post something on Radio Labs about the new music podcasts - what we're allowed to do and why we can now do it. Keep an eye out... Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Simon Cross Sent: Mon 11/19/2007 5:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Radio Labs plug Hi All, Not sure if you'd see this, but some of you might be interested http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/ Here at FMT AM, we've got our own departmental Blog where we write about the stuff we're working on, both for public release (betas etc) and as internal RnD projects. The big news this week is our recent RnD Live Events project, and also the launch of our podcast directory for iPhones/iPod Touch's. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2007/11/bbc_podcasts_on_t he_iphone_ and.shtml Take a read and why not subscribe - its gonne be fun S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug
I'm also trying to get one of our team to post something on Radio Labs about the new music podcasts - what we're allowed to do and why we can now do it. Keep an eye out... Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Simon Cross Sent: Mon 11/19/2007 5:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Radio Labs plug Hi All, Not sure if you'd see this, but some of you might be interested http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/ Here at FMT AM, we've got our own departmental Blog where we write about the stuff we're working on, both for public release (betas etc) and as internal RnD projects. The big news this week is our recent RnD Live Events project, and also the launch of our podcast directory for iPhones/iPod Touch's. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2007/11/bbc_podcasts_on_the_iphone_ and.shtml Take a read and why not subscribe - its gonne be fun S winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] BBC Audio Music at Hackday
Most are going to persist in one form or another. But not the RadioPlayer feeds, sorry :( Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Daithi O Crualaoich Sent: Sat 6/16/2007 6:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Audio Music at Hackday That is some really neat stuff. The RadioPlayer data alone is making me drool. Are these feeds are a one-time only deal? Or can every day be Hack Day? Daithi On 6/16/07, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've got a load of new data, feeds and applications and Hackday. http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org/ Including... * The Moose 6 music discovery game * The John Peel and Top of the Pops apps and data * RadioPlayer data * Incoming SMS feeds And if you're here we're on the table in the centre next to the back stage. With the large freeview aerial in the middle of the table. Tristan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] Find Listen Label
Unfortunately we don't necessarily have a script in a publishable form or indeed, for live programmes, have a script at all. Part of our work here is to reduce the amount of work production teams need to do to support interactive products and sites - so they can concentrate on the radio programmes. Though hopefully Find Listen Label will also create a summary that you just wouldn't get from a script. Another approach would be to get all our programmes transcribed. So Find Listen Label would be just one tool in our toolbox of ways of generating metadata and additioanl navigation. And absolutely, I love the work Luis Von Ahn has done on games and metadata. There are a couple of interesting similar games in the music area as well, check out: Major Miner - http://game.majorminer.com/ The Listen Game - http://www.listengame.org/ And keep an eye out for some of our future work. Tristan -Original Message- From: ~:'' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 4/13/2007 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tristan Ferne Subject: Re: [backstage] Find Listen Label Tristan, not sure how you intend this an improvement over publishing the script. presumably you know the excellent work of luis von ahn: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~biglou/ how about excluding words in the script, as a start? a fun game front end? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 13 Apr 2007, at 13:13, Tristan Ferne wrote: Hi, We've just launched Find Listen Label, previously known as Annotatable Audio. It's a tool for BBC Radio listeners to segment and annotate radio programmes on the web - wiki style - creating better navigation within the programme by providing segments or chapters and enhancing the findability of the programme by annotating it with descriptions and tags about the content. We've launched this prototype with Radio 4's All In The Mind as a partner programme and it will be up for around 4 weeks before we evaluate how well it has worked. Have a play... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/findlistenlabel/?programme=allinthem ind20070403 It will start to become really powerful when/if we launch it across many of our programmes and start to use the generated data in other products and sites, and we have plans to open the data up to backstage. You can read more about the prototype on our blogs; http://cookinrelaxin.blogspot.com/2007/04/find-listen-label-aka-annotata ble-audio.html and http://fridayforward.com/2007/04/find-listen-label.html Tristan (and the Audio Music RD team) - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD BBC Audio Music Interactive - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
RE: WEB API (was Re: [backstage] Noise and Signal)
As promised by Jem, a response from Audio Music! Nice idea. I know we have experimented with microformats in our forthcoming Radio 4 redesign and from talking to the team it seems possible that some microformats like rel=tag, rel=prev and rel=next will appear on the site in the middle of this year, though probably initially around the core programme pages. More specific microformats like books might come along later, though as Brendan said... the hard bit is building the systems that allow journalists and programme makers to easily mark up their content to an extremely wide range of possible content structures, and then convince them that it's worth the extra time to use it properly...! Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer, RD BBC Audio Music Interactive 020 776 50322 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: 07 March 2007 11:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: WEB API (was Re: [backstage] Noise and Signal) Andy What a great idea. This immediately made me think of NPR who have a simple books page which aggregates their talk shows, highlighting all book related audio reviews, readings, interviews from across a vareity of sources in the preceding week/month (and has tie-ups with amazon) http://www.npr.org/templates/topics/topic.php?topicId=1032 I was pointed to that by this blog post http://deboramasweblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/deboramas-www-numb er-14-radi o-wrap-up.html Which rather takes the BBC to task although it does cite backstage when it admits their attempts at involving the public are laudable and sometimes innovative. Anyway I'm sure Tristan (or his audio/music colleagues) will be on later to talk about some of your mark up queries. Thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Leighton Sent: 06 March 2007 21:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: WEB API (was Re: [backstage] Noise and Signal) On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 07:14:58PM -, Ian Forrester wrote: So I would like to remind people that the Backstage list is still a good place to talk shop about the industry, trends, the bbc and technologies. But were also a place for development and trying out some of the things discussed. Fair enough I've got some issues that could be kicked around a bit I'm currently messing about trying to do a simple web page that produces a list of books (actually all linked through to LibraryThing) featured on Book At Bedtime, Book Of The Week, Book Talk, and A Good Read. There is no semantic markup on the first three to identify the title of the book, although for Book At Bedtime the title is often the first sentence of the synopsis. For A Good Read there is nothing in the synopsis at all listing the books covered in that programme. There is a list of past (inc. the current programme) books chosen on the A Good Read micro-site - but again without any sort of markup. Would it be too difficult for someone to use something like span class=booktitleThe Rider/span by span class=authorTim Krabbe/span I could try and scrape what is there at the moment, I suppose, but it doesn't include the next programme, and is bound to have me tearing my hair out. Is there any easier way to get at this data? I know that some (many? all?) of the Radio 4 micro-sites are being rewritten. Hopefully they will follow the lead of the main bbc.co.uk homepage in having clean html which doesn't use tables for layout, but can I also beg for more semantic style markup by using class names? It would also be nice if I could somehow get at the data by using the Web API as well. -- Andy Leighton = [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] radio 4 API
Hi there, Very interesting. I would say that we have aspirations to have the text of You and Yours, and all the other programmes, available if it was possible. We would use it for providing search services and improved navigation around the site and the Radio Player. But AFAIK it just isn't at the moment. You could try running speech-to-text engines over it, which we have tried, but they're just don't seem to be good enough to generate accurate transcripts. They might be good enough for searching or for keyword generation, but not transcripts. Tristan - Tristan Ferne Senior Development Producer (RD) BBC Audio Music Interactive 020 776 50322 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave miller Sent: 23 January 2007 13:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] radio 4 API I know this is probably not something that everyone would want, probably a bit obscure... Recently I've been experimenting with the Yahoo Answers API to extract questions and answers to try to build dialogue in stories (online networked stories is my interest). Trouble is the quality of the conversations in Yahoo Answers is pretty awful - there's not a lot of decent debate, and a lot of ranting. On the other hand, when I listen to radio 4 you and yours (middays) it's really good quality informed and structured debate. It would be great for me if you and yours was available as an API (as text), and I could use that instead. Any plans to do something like that? cheers, Dave Miller http://davemiller.manme.org.uk/davemiller_art_blog/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Last played songs?
Yes, there are plans to have feeds of recently played songs though I'm not sure what the timescale is. And I think there are rights issues around making this kind of information available. In the meantime you might want to have a look at http://www.last.fm/user/sekrit/and its friends. Anyway, this is howI understand it works: production teams preload tracks onto the hard disk playout system (VCS) and the tracks are then played out in that order during the show - actually controlled by a couple of faders. The detail of exactly how it is used will change from show to show. At the moment we have Radios 1, 2, 1Xtra and 6Music running from VCS and, as you say, not everything is played out from VCS. Also a lot of late night shows (i.e. lots the specialist music stuff) are pre-recorded and loaded onto VCS as (e.g.)2-hour chunks so we don't get the track info for these. But we're working on it... Tristan -Tristan FerneSenior Development Producer (RD)BBC Radio Music Interactive From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 14 May 2006 19:29To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Last played songs? I was wondering if the BBC has any plans to have the last played songs made available on the website live, as they get played out, like they do on some other stations. Now that the BBC are (have already?) shifted towards VCS at BBC Radio 1 and 2 for playout of most of their things (I guess the specialist shows have to be manually play listed written after the show since they run off CDs and vinyl), surely its possible for some sort of thing to be done with the data that is collated by these systems for music license fee collection to be pushed to a feed as is done with the latest headlines on BBC News I am not 100% sure of the technical ins and outs of this, but surely something could be knocked up for people at Backstage to play with? For those in the know, Id be interested in how the playout systems and other things on the radio side work. i.e. what does a presenter do to play something? Do the presenters choose the order of the songs, or does their producer do it? That kind of thing Thanks - C
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RE: [backstage] annotatable audio
Yep, all of those are potential uses of this. Searching, custom feeds, personal and social bookmarks for audio... We haven't really handled the multiple user thing in our current version but that should come at some point. We were also going to look at having more subjective comment-type annotation as well, but we ran out of time. So you could add stuff like this bit's good as well as factual annotations. I'm looking after this work now Tom's left so let me know if you have any more ideas. Tristan - Tristan Ferne BBC Radio Music Interactive (on attachment from BBC RD) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Sent: 31 October 2005 18:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] annotatable audio Looks awesome. Suppose you create the chapter's for the file, is the intention that this can be made available for download and perhaps combine to use the ID3 v2 CHAP Chapters? Is the idea to also allow for multiple sets of meta data to exist for the same audio stream (e.g. one user may annotate a collection of similar songs whilst another may annotate for individual songs) and if so is the intention to build the audio file in real-time and attach the user-defined chapters to the file using something like the ID3v2 specs? Another aspect would be the breaking of content in that when you create an annotation the system breaks the audio into those component chunks and you could then select from many different annotations and build a single customised audio file. The project looks really cool, lots of potential - well done. Jim. Jem Stone wrote: In case you've not seen it Tom has posted some mock ups, notes and screen shots of the BBC Radio and Music teams annotatable audio prototype/project. It looks like some fascinating ways for users to contribute, add context and leave traces on audio files/radio programmes... http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotat able_audio _project.shtml Tom explains the context behind it.. An on-demand archive is going to make the number of choices available to a given individual at any point almost completely unmanageable. And then there's the user-generated content - the amateur and semi-professional creations, podcasts and the like that are proliferating across the internet. In the longer term there are potentially billions of these media creators in the world. All of this choice, however, creates some significant problems - how on earth are people expected to navigate all of this content? This, as Tom (Loosemore) is one of the challenges we are most looking at, at the BBC as we increasingly provide more of our programming and archive online...: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg00949.html The ideas expressed in the annotatable prototype (and the way its been implemented by several of Tom's team) is fascinating stuff. We'd be really keen to see any feedback or leave comments on Tom's blog on your thoughts on this. This was Tom's last project for the BBC. I know he subscribes to this list. We'll really miss him. He was a frequent visitor, supporter and critic! (in a good way) of Backstage. Good luck with Yahoo!... ta Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] 7 day BBC TV and Radio listings in XML!
Hi, If anyone's interested in using Java to play with this data then we have an LGPL'd TV-Anytime Java API. Documentation is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp060.shtml and email me if you would like a copy (apologies for it not being up on the web yet). Tristan - Tristan Ferne BBC Radio Music Interactive (on attachment from BBC RD) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon Brocard Sent: 30 June 2005 18:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] 7 day BBC TV and Radio listings in XML! On 6/28/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to let you all know that we've just released a new feed: 7 day BBC TV and Radio listings in XML. This is excellent! I'm building a Perl module which provides a nice interface to this data, which I'll release to CPAN shortly. TV Anytime is quite a complicated format. Minor problems I've found so far: The logos mentioned in ServiceInformation.xml don't appear to on the public web: mpeg7:MediaUrihttp://www.rd.bbc.co.uk/navigate/tv-anytime/ch annelLogos/BBCOne.jpg/mpeg7:MediaUri rss.xml doesn't include xmlns:tva='urn:tva:metadata:2002' as a namespace. Leon - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.
