RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I don't know why but once you buy a mac, your pretty much in the fold and rarely change anything. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? Or how many mac users have you seen with a different colour UI? Few, and i'm wondering if that's because the interface is so perfect that actually its restrictive? Or is it just that mac users are too busy to play with the skin/ui? ok i need to blog this one day when i got it worked out more. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Harvey Sent: 14 September 2007 17:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 Q1 I do Q2 I do Q3 Not I, said the fly Is this like one of those ladies' magazine quizzes where now I will find out what kind of person I am and how likely I am to find a boyfriend? Ans: you are lazy and feckless. Even though your iPod and iTunes drive you insane with all the things they make it complicated for you to do, you just put up with them because you are defeated by things you find tedious. You will never be happy. Deirdre Harvey :: Web Producer :: BBC Newsline Newsroom :: BBC Broadcasting House :: Ormeau Avenue :: Belfast BT2 8HQ ph. 02890 338264 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 14 September 2007 16:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 In total agreement. So actually you've brought up a very key issue I have with Apple and the iPhone. When I first started playing with the PocketPC and CE2 platforms I thought they were totally locked down compared to the Palm platform which had tons of unique applications for every such use. Over time that's changed and the Windows Mobile devices have become very open via the mobile .net frameworks. Now we're seeing them used for many things and the unique niche applications being built... Actually I think I'll save you all the time and blog it instead. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? Look out for a blog entry soon, Ian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 14 September 2007 09:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 I am that closes thumb an forefinger to indicate atomic size interested in apple products because I think they dictate how a user can use their product far too much and marrying the iphone to a single network is typical of this arrogance (yes I know it's been hacked open so hopefully the hacks will become more accessible so that everyone can benefit except the poor network) Basically I see apple as the opposite of what this list is about: use our stuff to build your stuff. The very idea. Jobs would hate that you thought apple product could be improved. Am I wrong?
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
On 17/09/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users Given the amount of skins for GNU/Linux users' desktops, such as on kde-look.org and gnome-look.org, thats an interesting statement. Apple disapproves of developers who enable users to mess with their UI skin. These days the defaults are well thought out and pretty, though, so skinning generally has less appeal than it used to. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? Apple actively fights against 3rd party iPod management tools, so this isn't all that surprising. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Ever since Apple decided that it wasn't an OS company and didn't want third parties making boxes for their OS, Apple has been in the business of NOT being a computer company. The whole point of a CPU is that it's general purpose and can be put to many uses, a tool of the user. Apple makes pretty coloured plastic boxes into which they sling an OS that is designed specifically to make revenue for Apple. So, whilst Microsoft got fined by the EU for making an OS that they keep some of their APIs hidden for their own software, it is in fact Apple that takes this idea to the next level. (But Apple doesn't dominate the market). On 17/09/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/09/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users Given the amount of skins for GNU/Linux users' desktops, such as on kde-look.org and gnome-look.org, thats an interesting statement. Apple disapproves of developers who enable users to mess with their UI skin. These days the defaults are well thought out and pretty, though, so skinning generally has less appeal than it used to. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? Apple actively fights against 3rd party iPod management tools, so this isn't all that surprising. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Quoting Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I suspect you mean Windows users there, rather than PC users. Linux runs on exactly the same PCs as Windows does. And the gap between those and Mac hardware is closing fast :-) But I disagree with your basic premise. In my experience, Linux users customise more than Windows users do. There's more to customise. For a start you get to choose which window manager you use. I agree, though, that Mac users tend to customise the least. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? If last weekend's blogs are to be believed, then soon you won't be able to use anything other than iTunes to manage an iPod. I was just starting to consider an iPod. But it seems that Apple don't want my business. Or how many mac users have you seen with a different colour UI? Few, and i'm wondering if that's because the interface is so perfect that actually its restrictive? Or is it just that mac users are too busy to play with the skin/ui? Nah. It's just that they're all such fanboys. And Steve knows best. Resistance is useless. You will be assimilated. Dave... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
On 9/17/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I don't know why but once you buy a mac, your pretty much in the fold and rarely change anything. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? Or how many mac users have you seen with a different colour UI? Few, and i'm wondering if that's because the interface is so perfect that actually its restrictive? Or is it just that mac users are too busy to play with the skin/ui? Each of these are different questions. As for skins and UIs, there's a reason why most people don't change their theme - it's already pretty good. So much so that there are tons of people making OS X impersonation themes for Windows, KDE and GNOME. That said, there are tools like Unsanity's Shape Shifter: http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/shapeshifter/ and a wide variety of themes available: http://interfacelift.com/themes-mac/ I'm really happy with the OS X theme, and have no need to change it. I have a custom backgrounds set on my PC on both the XP and Ubuntu partitions, but haven't been bothered to copy it over to my Mac. I'm lazy. I actually don't care too much about the UI. I'm reasonably happy with it. I've customised the living crap out of my .bash_profile file though. What goes around that is mostly irrelevant. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? Guilty as charged. I don't think it proves your point though, Ian. It has a ton of different themes and plugins available. And I've written a load of custom user scripts for Quicksilver so that I can control my Mac the way I like (for instance, a simple script called Lock which locks my keychains and flips back to the login screen - useful when I'm at somewhere like BarCamp where I can trust everyone enough to leave my laptop out, but not trust them enough to let them browse my e-mail!). I've also written custom scripts to post to Twitter and Jaiku from Quicksilver. Quicksilver is not a 'monopoly' though. Most people use it because they don't like Spotlight - the built-in OS X type it, find it tool. And there's a following out there for LaunchBar which does the same sort of thing (I used LaunchBar back on 10.2). My parents are both Mac users. Both of them have Quicksilver installed on their Mac (my insistence). Neither of them use it. Both use the Dock. Both have custom backgrounds. And Quicksilver is going open source with the next release http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/09/quicksilver-goes-open-source-with-leopard-release/ Also, Quicksilver has become so popular that there's been a huge set of spinoffs on the Windows platform: http://www.lifeclever.com/scott-hanselman-10-quicksilver-alternatives-for-windows/ Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? I have an iPod and iTunes, and think it's brilliant. Everyone bitches about iTunes, but I really like it. I use it for tons of podcast subscriptions and it's almost rock solid. I'd switch to other podcast management tools if they were any good. I've tried them, and they either flake out or do things in other, undesirable ways. There are ways to improve iTunes, of course. I don't like the standard 'filtering' system in OS X - you can't specify complex rules, so you are forced to do things like create search dependencies (ie. create a playlist that contains all X, another playlist that contains all Y, then a playlist that contains things which are both X Y or X !Y etc.) I think this is a case of Apple simplifying the interface at expense of useful functionality, and is one of the reasons I don't use the Apple Mail client. I use OS X because it has support for the software I use, and it annoys me marginally less than Windows. Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? I did have my dock on the right for a while, but because of the fact I have a wide-screen laptop, I have it at the bottom so I can fit more stuff on it. That said, I'm not a big user of the Dock. I use Alt-Tab and Quicksilver more. The corollary of those questions are: How many Mac users all use the same text editor? I did an informal poll in the pub after BarCamp and the answers were all over the map: TextMate, BBEdit, TextEdit, Emacs, Vim, SubEthaEdit, Eclipse. How many people use the same browser on the Mac? Well, if only a few other operating sysems could have the diversity of Firefox, Safari, Camino, Shiira, iCab, OmniWeb and so on. Just as a point of reference, I currently have running on my Mac: Finder, Quicksilver, Firefox, Adium, iTunes, the OPML Editor, iTerm (terminal emulator), QuickTime Player (with Perian plugins), Azureus and Oxygen. (And in that interminably ever-expanding top-right hand bar, a last.fm client and the Plaxo Sync thingy as well as all the standard buttons). As for whether OS X is inimical
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Hi All, It is worth mentioning that a lot of third party apps, which are not necessarily favoured by Apple, function well, and follow every new release of the system. It would seem that this system is now full of ideas that at one point were external apps. As for your questions Ian, Q1. No, I am not a Quicksilver user at present. Q2. Yes, we have iPods and all use iTunes happily with iPod Rip to help in special circumstances. Q3. I did change the dock position once, on an old iMac, but found it useless. now I have about 70 icons in there, and it seems better to just hide it at the bottom. I am a firm believer that the head-space to use a Mac is different from that of Windows users. I actually enjoy the way that this system works, and get to smile when I find something brilliant that I did not know about. Since OS7 I have had nothing but better experiences with each update, and having seen the struggles with Windows, I'm glad to be on this platform. Obviously there are always things that could be better but in this case, the tiny screen details really make a difference if you sit and look at it all day. Regards RichE On 17 Sep 2007, at 17:30, Tom Morris wrote: On 9/17/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux users. I don't know why but once you buy a mac, your pretty much in the fold and rarely change anything. For example how many mac users have you seen using something else besides itunes to manage there ipod? Or how many mac users have you seen with a different colour UI? Few, and i'm wondering if that's because the interface is so perfect that actually its restrictive? Or is it just that mac users are too busy to play with the skin/ui? Each of these are different questions. As for skins and UIs, there's a reason why most people don't change their theme - it's already pretty good. So much so that there are tons of people making OS X impersonation themes for Windows, KDE and GNOME. That said, there are tools like Unsanity's Shape Shifter: http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/shapeshifter/ and a wide variety of themes available: http://interfacelift.com/themes-mac/ I'm really happy with the OS X theme, and have no need to change it. I have a custom backgrounds set on my PC on both the XP and Ubuntu partitions, but haven't been bothered to copy it over to my Mac. I'm lazy. I actually don't care too much about the UI. I'm reasonably happy with it. I've customised the living crap out of my .bash_profile file though. What goes around that is mostly irrelevant. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? Guilty as charged. I don't think it proves your point though, Ian. It has a ton of different themes and plugins available. And I've written a load of custom user scripts for Quicksilver so that I can control my Mac the way I like (for instance, a simple script called Lock which locks my keychains and flips back to the login screen - useful when I'm at somewhere like BarCamp where I can trust everyone enough to leave my laptop out, but not trust them enough to let them browse my e-mail!). I've also written custom scripts to post to Twitter and Jaiku from Quicksilver. Quicksilver is not a 'monopoly' though. Most people use it because they don't like Spotlight - the built-in OS X type it, find it tool. And there's a following out there for LaunchBar which does the same sort of thing (I used LaunchBar back on 10.2). My parents are both Mac users. Both of them have Quicksilver installed on their Mac (my insistence). Neither of them use it. Both use the Dock. Both have custom backgrounds. And Quicksilver is going open source with the next release http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/09/quicksilver-goes-open-source-with- leopard-release/ Also, Quicksilver has become so popular that there's been a huge set of spinoffs on the Windows platform: http://www.lifeclever.com/scott-hanselman-10-quicksilver- alternatives-for-windows/ Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? I have an iPod and iTunes, and think it's brilliant. Everyone bitches about iTunes, but I really like it. I use it for tons of podcast subscriptions and it's almost rock solid. I'd switch to other podcast management tools if they were any good. I've tried them, and they either flake out or do things in other, undesirable ways. There are ways to improve iTunes, of course. I don't like the standard 'filtering' system in OS X - you can't specify complex rules, so you are forced to do things like create search dependencies (ie. create a playlist that contains all X, another playlist that contains all Y, then a playlist that contains things which are both X Y or X !Y etc.) I think this is a case of Apple simplifying the interface at expense of useful functionality, and is one of the reasons I
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
So, if the iPhone is such a brilliant idea, I can only assume that everyone will rush out and replace their keyboards with flat screen devices with no physical feedback? On 14/09/2007, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Officially A Good Thing. I was first with Vodafone years ago when I had my first (pay as you go, aww!) phone - their coverage was great but expensive. Hasn't changed much from what I can tell. O2's network just couldn't handle the amount of usage, especially data-wise - Vodafone's far better geared towards an influx of regular data-and-voice users, and they have a better market presence imo. Could be interesting to see if they can improve on their flatrate data offering off the back of an eventual iPhone package... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 13 September 2007 13:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Internal-Backstage-Discuss Subject: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls (www.particls.com) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
I am that closes thumb an forefinger to indicate atomic size interested in apple products because I think they dictate how a user can use their product far too much and marrying the iphone to a single network is typical of this arrogance (yes I know it's been hacked open so hopefully the hacks will become more accessible so that everyone can benefit except the poor network) Basically I see apple as the opposite of what this list is about: use our stuff to build your stuff. The very idea. Jobs would hate that you thought apple product could be improved. Am I wrong? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 14 September 2007 08:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 So, if the iPhone is such a brilliant idea, I can only assume that everyone will rush out and replace their keyboards with flat screen devices with no physical feedback? On 14/09/2007, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Officially A Good Thing. I was first with Vodafone years ago when I had my first (pay as you go, aww!) phone - their coverage was great but expensive. Hasn't changed much from what I can tell. O2's network just couldn't handle the amount of usage, especially data-wise - Vodafone's far better geared towards an influx of regular data-and-voice users, and they have a better market presence imo. Could be interesting to see if they can improve on their flatrate data offering off the back of an eventual iPhone package... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 13 September 2007 13:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Internal-Backstage-Discuss Subject: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls ( www.particls.com http://www.particls.com ) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
At 13:46 +0100 13/9/07, Ian Forrester wrote: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls (www.particls.com) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester I think we off topic! :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Looks like O2 have it... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article2441745.ece J On 9/13/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls (www.particls.com) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
I think we off topic! :-) Not that far off topic... :) http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Oh well, looks like its confirmed then? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ x ] private; [ ] ask first; [ ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 14 September 2007 12:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 Looks like O2 have it... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article2441745.ece J On 9/13/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls (www.particls.com) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
In total agreement. So actually you've brought up a very key issue I have with Apple and the iPhone. When I first started playing with the PocketPC and CE2 platforms I thought they were totally locked down compared to the Palm platform which had tons of unique applications for every such use. Over time that's changed and the Windows Mobile devices have become very open via the mobile .net frameworks. Now we're seeing them used for many things and the unique niche applications being built... Actually I think I'll save you all the time and blog it instead. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? Look out for a blog entry soon, Ian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 14 September 2007 09:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 I am that closes thumb an forefinger to indicate atomic size interested in apple products because I think they dictate how a user can use their product far too much and marrying the iphone to a single network is typical of this arrogance (yes I know it's been hacked open so hopefully the hacks will become more accessible so that everyone can benefit except the poor network) Basically I see apple as the opposite of what this list is about: use our stuff to build your stuff. The very idea. Jobs would hate that you thought apple product could be improved. Am I wrong?
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
_ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:51 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) I'm not exclusively a Mac user, I have to say at this point, but I do spend a significant amount of my time on them. Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? I did for a while, but not any longer. I removed it. But then, I don't use spotlight all that much either. I also have Desktop Manager installed (comes from being a Linux and X user, you see). wondered just why it took Apple so long to implement virtual desktopping Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? Yes, but I use iTunes with Windows and my iPod too and move between them Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? Yes, my favourite position is on the left side. This may change in 10.5 though. Look out for a blog entry soon, Ian _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 14 September 2007 09:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 I am that closes thumb an forefinger to indicate atomic size interested in apple products because I think they dictate how a user can use their product far too much and marrying the iphone to a single network is typical of this arrogance (yes I know it's been hacked open so hopefully the hacks will become more accessible so that everyone can benefit except the poor network) Basically I see apple as the opposite of what this list is about: use our stuff to build your stuff. The very idea. Jobs would hate that you thought apple product could be improved. Am I wrong? * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
At 16:51 +0100 14/9/07, Ian Forrester wrote: In total agreement. So actually you've brought up a very key issue I have with Apple and the iPhone. When I first started playing with the PocketPC and CE2 platforms I thought they were totally locked down compared to the Palm platform which had tons of unique applications for every such use. Over time that's changed and the Windows Mobile devices have become very open via the mobile .net frameworks. Now we're seeing them used for many things and the unique niche applications being built... Actually I think I'll save you all the time and blog it instead. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? No. Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? Yes, to both. I have an iPod Shuffle. Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? Look out for a blog entry soon, Ian Yes, and my significant other hates it. We have distinct logins, so that is OK! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Q1 I do Q2 I do Q3 Not I, said the fly Is this like one of those ladies' magazine quizzes where now I will find out what kind of person I am and how likely I am to find a boyfriend? Ans: you are lazy and feckless. Even though your iPod and iTunes drive you insane with all the things they make it complicated for you to do, you just put up with them because you are defeated by things you find tedious. You will never be happy. Deirdre Harvey :: Web Producer :: BBC Newsline Newsroom :: BBC Broadcasting House :: Ormeau Avenue :: Belfast BT2 8HQ ph. 02890 338264 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 14 September 2007 16:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 In total agreement. So actually you've brought up a very key issue I have with Apple and the iPhone. When I first started playing with the PocketPC and CE2 platforms I thought they were totally locked down compared to the Palm platform which had tons of unique applications for every such use. Over time that's changed and the Windows Mobile devices have become very open via the mobile .net frameworks. Now we're seeing them used for many things and the unique niche applications being built... Actually I think I'll save you all the time and blog it instead. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? Look out for a blog entry soon, Ian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 14 September 2007 09:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 I am that closes thumb an forefinger to indicate atomic size interested in apple products because I think they dictate how a user can use their product far too much and marrying the iphone to a single network is typical of this arrogance (yes I know it's been hacked open so hopefully the hacks will become more accessible so that everyone can benefit except the poor network) Basically I see apple as the opposite of what this list is about: use our stuff to build your stuff. The very idea. Jobs would hate that you thought apple product could be improved. Am I wrong?
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
Officially A Good Thing. I was first with Vodafone years ago when I had my first (pay as you go, aww!) phone - their coverage was great but expensive. Hasn't changed much from what I can tell. O2's network just couldn't handle the amount of usage, especially data-wise - Vodafone's far better geared towards an influx of regular data-and-voice users, and they have a better market presence imo. Could be interesting to see if they can improve on their flatrate data offering off the back of an eventual iPhone package... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 13 September 2007 13:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Internal-Backstage-Discuss Subject: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls (www.particls.com) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
