Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Take Scag seems t'B missing cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 30 Oct 2006, at 18:12, Josh at GoUK.com wrote:> Erm, not me doh! Ideas to float the goat: 1. "Backstage - Craic Stage" (the internet should be about fun as well as other things) 2. "Backstage - Craic Sage" (having fun but wise) 3. "Backstage - Crack Stage" (as in the first above, but also covers the idea of cracking problems on the net and making things work) 4. "Backstage - Crack Sage" (as in the second and third above) 5. "Backstage - Front of House" (backstage makes the net work) 6. "Backstage - Front of Mind" (backstage makes the net work) 7. "Backstage - Backlit" (the work of backstage is "backstage" but it casts light on the net) 8. Jumble up the letters of "backstage" into something like "STACK B AGE" "AGE B CATS K" "CATS BAKE G" "CABS GATE K" "SCAB TAKE G" "BECK A STAG" and underneath write: "web.2" and then, if you need to, in tiny letters add "backstage". Another other meanings of crack are inadvertent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:17 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts Hi All, We're considering changing the Fabulous but somewhat bland Backstage T-shirts. Yes there great London Schwag but we can certainly do better. So we thought it would be great if we'd ask you guys what you think is the best T-shirt schwag you've seen or owned and what witty slogan or design should be included to make a even better backstage T-shirt? If you've not seen one of our Fabulous T-shirts, here's the basic design - http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/275188703/ --- My instant thoughts is that Yahoo's "Mash up or Shut up" T-shirts are great - http://flickr.com/photos/jojojo/110959258/ But the Microformats T-shirts are very exclusive schwag which everyone wants - http://flickr.com/photos/adactio/169053620/ Let us know what you think, Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
I've not been following this thread religously so apologies if someone already suggested the below. Jonathan Chetwynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 8. Jumble up the letters of "backstage" into something like "STACK B > AGE" "AGE B CATS K" "CATS BAKE G" "CABS GATE K" "SCAB TAKE G" "BECK A > STAG" and underneath write: "web.2" and then, if you need to, in tiny > letters add "backstage". This made me think of a tag cloud. I think a tag cloud t-shirt for backstage would be cool. Backstage would obviously be front and center and 72 pt. But other tags (which might be all over the t-shirt, not necessarily just on the front and back) might be: tag cloud bbc news feed rss backpassage (funny, especially if it's marked on the shoulder or something) web 2.0 web 1.0 bbc 2.0 t-shirt size XL (meaning the bbc website) click squish imp radio prom media paxo greg (and other 'talent'... wogan anyone?) I'm sure other people can think of other tags to put on it. Be as tenuous as you like and then people can spend their time trying to work out the link. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
I like this idea a lot! I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :) This made me think of a tag cloud. I think a tag cloud t-shirt for backstage would be cool. Backstage would obviously be front and center and 72 pt. But other tags (which might be all over the t-shirt, not necessarily just on the front and back) might be: tag cloud bbc news feed rss backpassage (funny, especially if it's marked on the shoulder or something) web 2.0 web 1.0 bbc 2.0 t-shirt size XL (meaning the bbc website) click squish imp radio prom media paxo greg (and other 'talent'... wogan anyone?) I'm sure other people can think of other tags to put on it. Be as tenuous as you like and then people can spend their time trying to work out the link. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
"Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I like this idea a lot! > > I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud > maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it > be if peoples names came up? :) Ok everyone. No seeding the mail archive though. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs motson morecambe buffy the vampire slayer sorry - couldn't resist. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
playing on the whole theatrical metaphor:"...command line not chorus line"" backstage *left*""... an open air source production" "boot > code > action""RADA is far too vulgar, no I train with w3c sweetie""can code be camp?""acting for autists";-) On 10/30/06, Jonathan Chetwynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Take Scagseems t'B missingcheersJonathan ChetwyndOn 30 Oct 2006, at 18:12, Josh at GoUK.com wrote:> Erm, not me doh!Ideas to float the goat:1. "Backstage - Craic Stage" (the internet should be about fun aswell as other things)2. "Backstage - Craic Sage" (having fun but wise) 3. "Backstage - Crack Stage" (as in the first above, but also coversthe idea of cracking problems on the net and making things work)4. "Backstage - Crack Sage" (as in the second and third above) 5. "Backstage - Front of House" (backstage makes the net work)6. "Backstage - Front of Mind" (backstage makes the net work)7. "Backstage - Backlit" (the work of backstage is "backstage" but it casts light on the net)8. Jumble up the letters of "backstage" into something like "STACK BAGE" "AGE B CATS K" "CATS BAKE G" "CABS GATE K" "SCAB TAKE G" "BECK A STAG" and underneath write: "web.2" and then, if you need to, in tinyletters add "backstage".Another other meanings of crack are inadvertent.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk]On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:17 PMTo: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirtsHi All,We're considering changing the Fabulous but somewhat bland Backstage T-shirts. Yes there great London Schwag but we can certainly do better.So we thought it would be great if we'd ask you guys what you thinkis the best T-shirt schwag you've seen or owned and what witty slogan or design should be included to make a even better backstage T-shirt?If you've not seen one of our Fabulous T-shirts, here's the basicdesign - http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/275188703/ ---My instant thoughts is that Yahoo's "Mash up or Shut up" T-shirts aregreat - http://flickr.com/photos/jojojo/110959258/But the Microformats T-shirts are very exclusive schwag which everyone wants - http://flickr.com/photos/adactio/169053620/Let us know what you think,Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe,please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe,please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- voice: 0787 8952479words: http://www.technogoggles.commore words: http://stickrattling.com/blogthingphotos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashed_potatoe/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
On 10/31/06, James Boardwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: playing on the whole theatrical metaphor: or how about a "FULL ACCESS" backstage pass/t-shirt? -- cheers, Jakob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Backstage: You're not on the list, you're not coming in :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix Sent: Tue 31/10/2006 15:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts On 10/31/06, James Boardwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > playing on the whole theatrical metaphor: or how about a "FULL ACCESS" backstage pass/t-shirt? -- cheers, Jakob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ <>
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like this idea a lot!I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :) If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like (based on the subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: http://menti.net/?p=40Cheers,Mario.
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
That is awesome :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 01 November 2006 10:35To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like this idea a lot!I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :) If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like (based on the subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: http://menti.net/?p=40Cheers,Mario.
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
On 10/31/06, James Boardwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: playing on the whole theatrical metaphor: "...command line not chorus line" " backstage *left*" "... an open air source production" Not to be a party-pooper but one thing that characterised my initial impression of backstage was disappointment at the number of things people were doing that were NOT open source, especially from some of the more prolific authors here. MighTyV seemed to be the exception, and good for them. Yet, I see these little widgets & mash-ups go by, cool 'n all ... but no code, so who cares? A shame! (And soo last millennium). Here's an apposite backstage t-shirt slogan: "backstage.bbc.co.uk: Get with the Program" Paul - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Not to be a party-pooper but one thing that characterised my initial impression of backstage was disappointment at the number of things people were doing that were NOT open source, especially from some of the more prolific authors here. I think there is certainly something very different about the backstage development community compared to other developer networks. Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I don't believe the reason is because people don't care. Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage isn't the place to get really into the code? Yet, I see these little widgets & mash-ups go by, cool 'n all ... but no code, so who cares? A shame! (And soo last millennium). The widget competition comes at a very interesting point in there conception. People are sitting up and thinking about what's actually possible with widgets and where there path into the future goes. So last millennium I would certainly disagree. There's also nothing stopping people from sharing the code of the widgets. Ideally when we first wrote the competition, we were going to post up the entries straight away, so everyone could discuss and learn from each other. But with the prizes and contest element to it all, it didn't seem feasible. We've learned from that, and you will found out on Monday 6th what were planning next. I certainly feel the next thing will make people collaborate more and who knows what might happen. But on a side point. I'm not saying collaboration isn't happening! I've seen examples where someone will take some rough and barely ready data source and wrap it up in something much more understandable. Then someone will write a prototype off that. This may not be the model your after? But I think the game has changed, this is the modern eco-system of development. I'm really happy to discuss this more if people are happy to? Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Ian you have shamed me. I wrote my myCommute prototype in June 2005 and at the bottom of the webpage for it, it said I'd release the source code when it was in a better state. Of course the reality was it never got in a better state, and I forgot to release the source code. So in a few minutes during my lunch hour, I have quickly bunged it in a tar file, whacked the GPL license preamble in it and written some frankly appallingly bad install instructions. I'm sure the world will not be set alight by my frankly terrible PHP, but it's the principle of the thing. I said I would, so here it is. Only 17 months late, but better late than never! myCommute is at http://www.bods.me.uk/stuff/backstage/mycommute/ And you can download the code here. http://www.bods.me.uk/stuff/backstage/mycommute/mycommute.tar.gz > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester > Sent: 01 November 2006 12:14 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design > for Backstage T-shirts > > Not to be a party-pooper but one thing that characterised my > initial impression of backstage was disappointment at the > number of things people were doing that were NOT open source, > especially from some of the more prolific authors here. > > I think there is certainly something very different about the > backstage development community compared to other developer > networks. Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But > I don't believe the reason is because people don't care. > Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel > Backstage isn't the place to get really into the code? > > > Yet, I see these little widgets & mash-ups go by, cool 'n all > ... but no code, so who cares? A shame! (And soo last millennium). > > The widget competition comes at a very interesting point in > there conception. People are sitting up and thinking about > what's actually possible with widgets and where there path > into the future goes. So last millennium I would certainly disagree. > > There's also nothing stopping people from sharing the code of > the widgets. Ideally when we first wrote the competition, we > were going to post up the entries straight away, so everyone > could discuss and learn from each other. But with the prizes > and contest element to it all, it didn't seem feasible. > > We've learned from that, and you will found out on Monday 6th > what were planning next. I certainly feel the next thing will > make people collaborate more and who knows what might happen. > > But on a side point. > I'm not saying collaboration isn't happening! I've seen > examples where someone will take some rough and barely ready > data source and wrap it up in something much more > understandable. Then someone will write a prototype off that. > This may not be the model your after? But I think the game > has changed, this is the modern eco-system of development. > > I'm really happy to discuss this more if people are happy to? > > Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
"Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there is certainly something very different about the > backstage development community compared to other developer > networks. Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I > don't believe the reason is because people don't care. > Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage > isn't the place to get really into the code? I have to say I agree with the original point. Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media rather than opening it. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Well there you go then :) Good stuff! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 01 November 2006 12:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts Ian you have shamed me. I wrote my myCommute prototype in June 2005 and at the bottom of the webpage for it, it said I'd release the source code when it was in a better state. Of course the reality was it never got in a better state, and I forgot to release the source code. So in a few minutes during my lunch hour, I have quickly bunged it in a tar file, whacked the GPL license preamble in it and written some frankly appallingly bad install instructions. I'm sure the world will not be set alight by my frankly terrible PHP, but it's the principle of the thing. I said I would, so here it is. Only 17 months late, but better late than never! myCommute is at http://www.bods.me.uk/stuff/backstage/mycommute/ And you can download the code here. http://www.bods.me.uk/stuff/backstage/mycommute/mycommute.tar.gz > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester > Sent: 01 November 2006 12:14 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for > Backstage T-shirts > > Not to be a party-pooper but one thing that characterised my initial > impression of backstage was disappointment at the number of things > people were doing that were NOT open source, especially from some of > the more prolific authors here. > > I think there is certainly something very different about the > backstage development community compared to other developer networks. > Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I don't believe > the reason is because people don't care. > Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage > isn't the place to get really into the code? > > > Yet, I see these little widgets & mash-ups go by, cool 'n all ... but > no code, so who cares? A shame! (And soo last millennium). > > The widget competition comes at a very interesting point in there > conception. People are sitting up and thinking about what's actually > possible with widgets and where there path into the future goes. So > last millennium I would certainly disagree. > > There's also nothing stopping people from sharing the code of the > widgets. Ideally when we first wrote the competition, we were going to > post up the entries straight away, so everyone could discuss and learn > from each other. But with the prizes and contest element to it all, it > didn't seem feasible. > > We've learned from that, and you will found out on Monday 6th what > were planning next. I certainly feel the next thing will make people > collaborate more and who knows what might happen. > > But on a side point. > I'm not saying collaboration isn't happening! I've seen examples where > someone will take some rough and barely ready data source and wrap it > up in something much more understandable. Then someone will write a > prototype off that. > This may not be the model your after? But I think the game has > changed, this is the modern eco-system of development. > > I'm really happy to discuss this more if people are happy to? > > Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Actually that's a really good point... I wonder if there's anything we can do to make that better? What if we could provide some sort of code repository / version control software for the backstage project that would help people share? M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nic James Ferrier Sent: 01 November 2006 12:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there is certainly something very different about the > backstage development community compared to other developer networks. > Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I don't believe > the reason is because people don't care. > Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage > isn't the place to get really into the code? I have to say I agree with the original point. Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media rather than opening it. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Like Google's free SVN hosting offering... http://code.google.com/hosting/ J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 01 November 2006 13:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts Actually that's a really good point... I wonder if there's anything we can do to make that better? What if we could provide some sort of code repository / version control software for the backstage project that would help people share? M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nic James Ferrier Sent: 01 November 2006 12:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there is certainly something very different about the > backstage development community compared to other developer networks. > Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I don't believe > the reason is because people don't care. > Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage > isn't the place to get really into the code? I have to say I agree with the original point. Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media rather than opening it. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
On 11/1/06, Nic James Ferrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Ian Forrester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there is certainly something very different about the > backstage development community compared to other developer > networks. Not a lot of code does get shared, yes I agree. But I > don't believe the reason is because people don't care. > Maybe the time just hasn't come up yet or even people feel Backstage > isn't the place to get really into the code? I have to say I agree with the original point. Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media rather than opening it. Interesting point. We are in a position to lead by example. Certainly, by not releasing our code we're hardly in a position to criticise the Beeb on this point. Here's an implementation of the subject line tag cloud which other people are welcome to copy, mash-up, hack, use on their own mailing lists, etc. http://paulm.com/inchoate/2006/11/backstage_get_with_the_program.html (Ian: by not caring I meant in the sense of if someone produces a neat-o widget but doesn't release the code, I, as an audience member do not especially care; it's just a cute toy as far as I'm concerned. Next. When Leon & Leo came along with MighTyV a lot of people cared because they could actually use it, fix it, add features, and add to the mix.) Paul (ex-BBC PIPS team hence the interest in scheduling :-)) -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
So to be frank, I certainly don't believe that is the case. For a lot of developers, backstage is something they may have heard about but have never seen let alone joined. Also your right in your thoughts about the BBC being seen as a media organisation and last as a developer network. Why this perception exists, I cant quite put my finger on it but it seems like something from the past. I'm also not going to lie and say we're exactly like the rest of the developer networks out there. We're not! We're strangely different. I think of ourselves like the glue between the different islands of development out there. And I honestly think this is a good thing and what the BBC should be doing. So no you won't get in-depth debate about the latest version of the Jetty web server with the Apache Derby Database but I'm sure someone will point you in the right direction. --- So what I'm getting at is the sharing is not code but ideas and resources. This is not common in other developer networks. Ian -Original Message- Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media rather than opening it. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Very very very cool... and not just because my name is on there! :-) Ian's use of the word awesome however is a little suspect... especially when you see this http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/282153124/ He's currently suggesting we somehow get his new scooter into the shirt design ;-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian ForresterSent: 01 November 2006 10:56To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts That is awesome :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 01 November 2006 10:35To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like this idea a lot!I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :) If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like (based on the subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: http://menti.net/?p=40Cheers,Mario.
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
On 11/1/06, Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here's an implementation of the subject line tag cloud which otherpeople are welcome to copy, mash-up, hack, use on their own mailinglists, etc.
http://paulm.com/inchoate/2006/11/backstage_get_with_the_program.htmlWhat do you do when you want to open source, but there is no code? You create your own scripting language! So, in the open source spirit, here's how I created my tag cloud:
[code]maintab = webbrowser.opentab("http://www.tagcrowd.com");newtab = webbrowser.opentab("
http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/");subjects = newtab.copy(subjectlines);maintab.paste(editext[0], subjects);maintab.blacklist({"re","mr","hi","hello"});
result = maintab.button["Visualize!"].press();tagcloud = result.copy(edittext[0]);myblog = webbrowser.opentab("http://menti.net");mynewpost = myblog.createnewpost
("bbc backstage tag cloud t-shirt", tagcloud);mynewpost.save();mynewpost.mailto("backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk");[/code]Cheers,Mario.
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Mario rocks.I can't see a place for that scooter on the road, let alone on a t-shirt. sorry Ian. :-)RichE.On 1 Nov 2006, at 11:39, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Very very very cool... and not just because my name is on there! :-) Ian's use of the word awesome however is a little suspect... especially when you see this http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/282153124/ He's currently suggesting we somehow get his new scooter into the shirt design ;-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ian ForresterSent: 01 November 2006 10:56To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts That is awesome :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 01 November 2006 10:35To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like this idea a lot!I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :) If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like (based on the subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: http://menti.net/?p=40Cheers,Mario.
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
"Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 11/1/06, Nic James Ferrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Standing on the fringes and contributing a little from time to time I >> can say that there is not a code sharing atmosphere here. I wonder if >> that is due to the tone set by BBC which is about controlling media >> rather than opening it. > > Interesting point. We are in a position to lead by example. Certainly, > by not releasing our code we're hardly in a position to criticise the > Beeb on this point. To be clear, I was not criticising the backstage team particularly... by BBC I mean the whole organization. I think it *is* a problem that a public organization still regards the things it makes with public money as being somehow, not public property. Clearly, that constrains the backstage team and contributors. It just sends the wrong message. But the BBC's attitude must also be seen in the light of the bigger climate of fear in media companies (holywood, nashville, etc...) about their disappearing business models. So, I'm not sure that there's _much_ more that I could ask of the backstage team except to try and share code by default. Even posting techniques in mailing list messages is better than nothing. Alan Perlis talked about code as the best way of describing what a computer program does. He was right - it is our chief communication medium. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
"Mario Menti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What do you do when you want to open source, but there is no code? You
> create your own scripting language! So, in the open source spirit, here's
> how I created my tag cloud:
>
> [code]
> maintab = webbrowser.opentab("http://www.tagcrowd.com";);
> newtab = webbrowser.opentab("
> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/";);
> subjects = newtab.copy(subjectlines);
> maintab.paste(editext[0], subjects);
> maintab.blacklist({"re","mr","hi","hello"});
> result = maintab.button["Visualize!"].press();
> tagcloud = result.copy(edittext[0]);
> myblog = webbrowser.opentab("http://menti.net";);
> mynewpost = myblog.createnewpost("bbc backstage tag cloud t-shirt",
> tagcloud);
> mynewpost.save();
> mynewpost.mailto("backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk");
> [/code]
Thats' pretty cool. Here's the first part in unix:
xsltproc --html tshirttagcloud.xslt
http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ |\
awk '{for(i=1;i
http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform";>
I don't do the second part (generating the tag cloud) but there are
lots of options:
- do it in xslt:
http://cse-mjmcl.cse.bris.ac.uk/blog/2006/08/08/1155058345613.html
- spit out to some unix pipeline that gens tagclouds (perl?)
- spit out to curl and have curl call tagcloud
--
Nic Ferrier
http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs
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Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Nic James Ferrier wrote: I don't do the second part (generating the tag cloud) but there are lots of options: - do it in xslt: http://cse-mjmcl.cse.bris.ac.uk/blog/2006/08/08/1155058345613.html - spit out to some unix pipeline that gens tagclouds (perl?) - spit out to curl and have curl call tagcloud I had a very quick look around the XSL and I'm sure I can easily build on this using cocoon's xml pipelines... ...managed this in 5mins flat - http://www.cubicgarden.com/cocoon/tagcloud/feed/bbcnews | http://www.cubicgarden.com/cocoon/tagcloud/feed/test I'm now considering outputting svg, so I get a nice vector tagcloud, instead of playing with css. Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Hey
wait a moment! :)
Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P
EdwardsSent: 01 November 2006 16:02To:
backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty
slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts
Mario rocks.
I can't see a place for that scooter on the road, let alone on a
t-shirt. sorry Ian. :-)
RichE.
On 1 Nov 2006, at 11:39, Matthew Cashmore wrote:
Very very very cool... and not just because my name is
on there! :-)
Ian's use of the word awesome however is a little suspect...
especially when you see this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/282153124/
He's currently suggesting we somehow get his new
scooter into the shirt design ;-)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Ian ForresterSent: 01 November 2006
10:56To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject:
RE: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage
T-shirts
That is awesome :)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Mario MentiSent: 01 November 2006
10:35To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject:
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage
T-shirts
On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I
like this idea a lot!I can imagine we could run the mail
archives through a tag cloud maker and generate pretty much everything
we need. How cool would it be if peoples names came up? :)
If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like
(based on the subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: http://menti.net/?p=40Cheers,Mario.
Re: Take Scag: [backstage] Witty slogan and design for Backstage T-shirts (buffy buffy buffy)
"Mario Menti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 10/31/06, Ian Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I like this idea a lot! >> >> I can imagine we could run the mail archives through a tag cloud maker and >> generate pretty much everything we need. How cool would it be if peoples >> names came up? :) > > > > If you want to see what the current tag cloud may look like (based on the > subject lines in the unofficial mail archive), see here: > http://menti.net/?p=40 That's cool! I think the tag cloud will need to be wider so that it can be wrapped round the whole body (or at least the front and back) The t-shirt might be more expensive that way but it would sure be cool. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
