Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/28 05:22 , Michael Mansour wrote: > Maybe this is an idea for someone to create a live cd for backuppc running > on knoppix? not really a big need, so long as you understand the tools involved. you should just need to do an 'apt-get update; apt-get install backuppc' to install the software to the ramdrive, then link the existing pool into the appropriate location on the ramdrive, where backuppc is expecting the pool to be. I haven't actually tried this (tho I suppose I should); but I see no reason it shouldn't work. at the very least, you can use BackupPC_tarCreate to do the restores instead of the web interface, and as a very last resort there is always BackupPC_zcat to recover the contents of files from the pool. an idiot-disk for recovering machines might be a good thing on a commercial product; but I don't know if it would be a worthwhile investment of time for this project. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
Hi, > > if the data drive fails, then you have the OS drive to use to recover your > > data (if possible); or at least to quickly set up the new data drive. > > > > if the OS drive fails, you put in a new drive, boot with knoppix, install > > backuppc to knoppix's ramdrive, and restore your OS drive from backup. Maybe this is an idea for someone to create a live cd for backuppc running on knoppix? Michael. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
I've had particularly good results from the 3ware 9500 series 4port controllers. They run about $325 US dollars. I work with a company that archives massive amouts of video data, and before a client is ready for the 15 SATA NAS, you can get spectacular results out of a 4 port with PCI interface. They do have PCI(X) as well if speed is an issue. I have built at least 10 boxes with these guys running a raid 5 array, and the 3 drive failures I have seen were always handled beautifully by the controller, and rebuilt without any problem. And no, I am not an employee or partner of 3ware! Peace, Jim On 12/22/06, Brausse, Renke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > seriously, get a 3ware controller; you'll never want a box without one > > again. even a 2-port one is $130 well-spent, even on a home machine. > > though it sounds like advertising, Carl is perfectly right... > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, > Renke Brausse > > -- > iOMEDICO AG > Hanferstraße 28 > 79108 Freiburg > > Tel.:+49 (0)761/15242-21 > Fax.:+49 (0)761/15242-10 > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
> seriously, get a 3ware controller; you'll never want a box without one > again. even a 2-port one is $130 well-spent, even on a home machine. though it sounds like advertising, Carl is perfectly right... Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Renke Brausse -- iOMEDICO AG Hanferstraße 28 79108 Freiburg Tel.:+49 (0)761/15242-21 Fax.:+49 (0)761/15242-10- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/22 10:07 , Filipe wrote: > Nice clarification. I think I will do this way. > And I think there's no reason for a 3ware controler. if i have to opt > for RAID I would use the raid on the board via sata raid. onboard 'raid' that you get on motherboards isn't really hardware RAID. it's just sorta-kinda hardware RAID. It's mostly done in software with a special driver, and doesn't have the management capabilities that 3ware controllers do. a 3ware controller will export what looks like a SCSI disk to the OS; and is far faster than the firmware 'raid' bits that you see on motherboards. if you get a 3ware controller, you can use their '3dm' tool to monitor the controller through a web interface, do hardware tests, fail a drive, rebuild the array, and best of all, it will send you mail alerts about things happening. seriously, get a 3ware controller; you'll never want a box without one again. even a 2-port one is $130 well-spent, even on a home machine. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom escreveu: On 12/20 01:14 , Filipe wrote: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom escreveu: On 12/19 07:17 , Filipe wrote: Using Backuppc (debian) successfully in my company for about 5 months, backing up 6 winXX shares using samba. The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full. Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do... should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using ghost?! move the contents of /var/lib/backuppc (or whereever your data pool is) to the new drive, and then mount the new drive on /var/lib/backuppc. It's a very good idea to have your data on a separate drive from the OS. At the very least, use a separate partition on disk. also, I would suggest using LVM on the data partition/disk. this will allow you to add space much more easily in the future; or move your data to another disk. thanks... but if I have 2 drives like that, what should I do if one fails? if the data drive fails, then you have the OS drive to use to recover your data (if possible); or at least to quickly set up the new data drive. if the OS drive fails, you put in a new drive, boot with knoppix, install backuppc to knoppix's ramdrive, and restore your OS drive from backup. it *is* best to have a redundant drive array in any situation. for buisness use, a 3ware RAID controller will more than pay for itself the first time you have a drive problem. Nice clarification. I think I will do this way. And I think there's no reason for a 3ware controler. if i have to opt for RAID I would use the raid on the board via sata raid. we use it on our mailserver but it wasn't installed by me. thanks. I have one more issue that iI will post on a new thread.. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
> that's the theory. your caveats are noteworthy tho; I've been bitten by > them, and that's one of the reasons I don't like software RAID. with a 3ware > controller, there's no worry about the bootability of whichever drive is > left in the array. You also need to set a partition as active and reinstall LILO, and rewrite the boot sector of the new drive. Doing this ensures both drives are bootable. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 10:37 -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > It really is as simple as an fdisk and mdadm command for the case > > where it isn't a boot drive and the other mirror member is still > > good. > > that's the theory. your caveats are noteworthy tho; I've been bitten by > them, and that's one of the reasons I don't like software RAID. with a 3ware > controller, there's no worry about the bootability of whichever drive is > left in the array. Booting from software raid is a special case in that it really just uses one member so there are some quirks about getting the boot loader installed on both drives and configured to match the bios concept of which drive it is. My approach here is to not worry about it as a special case but keep a boot/install CD around to fix things after the fact like you would any other problem that requires a re-install of grub. The tradeoff is that the drives can be moved to any PC with standard controller or stuck in an external USB/firewire case. I haven't tried that with a disk pulled out of a 3ware set but I'd be surprised if it works. In any case, I like to have the backuppc archive on its own separate partition and it usually takes the whole disk so booting from raid is really a different issue. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/21 10:20 , Les Mikesell wrote: > It really is as simple as an fdisk and mdadm command for the case > where it isn't a boot drive and the other mirror member is still > good. that's the theory. your caveats are noteworthy tho; I've been bitten by them, and that's one of the reasons I don't like software RAID. with a 3ware controller, there's no worry about the bootability of whichever drive is left in the array. > For a permanent replacement, there is no need to wait for anything. we consider it good policy to wait for the drives to sync, and do a test reboot, before leaving the customer premises. the reboot is important, as it often shows up problems you didn't notice, or put off until 'after this next command'. > You can use the machine normally while the sync happens and it > takes care of itself when finished. yep. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 08:38 -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I agree that 3ware controllers are good hardware and worth the money, > > but I suspect you are comparing the time of swapping an internal > > drive vs. a swappable cage here. It's not that hard to type > > an fdisk command followed by an mdadm --add command. > > no, I'm actually not. it sounds like one of those things that's simple; but > somehow always ends up taking a lot longer than you expect. At least, that's > my real-world experience with the process. It really is as simple as an fdisk and mdadm command for the case where it isn't a boot drive and the other mirror member is still good. If you have hot-swap scsi's you can do without shutting down with an extra command or two to re-probe the scsi bus, but for backuppc we are probably talking big IDE drives and a shutdown anyway. > it's noteworthy that I'm in a consulting environment, rather than being a > full-time admin for one company. so going off to do something else > productive while the drives are sync'ing, or a long command is running, is > not always an option. For a permanent replacement, there is no need to wait for anything. You can use the machine normally while the sync happens and it takes care of itself when finished. You probably don't want something as intense as backuppc running actively but if it is during the blackout period it shouldn't hurt to let it start up. I sync my external drive with everything active, then stop backuppc and unmount the raid momentarily while I fail and remove the external member but that is just so the filesystem will be clean on the drive when removed. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/21 08:25 , Les Mikesell wrote: > I agree that 3ware controllers are good hardware and worth the money, > but I suspect you are comparing the time of swapping an internal > drive vs. a swappable cage here. It's not that hard to type > an fdisk command followed by an mdadm --add command. no, I'm actually not. it sounds like one of those things that's simple; but somehow always ends up taking a lot longer than you expect. At least, that's my real-world experience with the process. it's noteworthy that I'm in a consulting environment, rather than being a full-time admin for one company. so going off to do something else productive while the drives are sync'ing, or a long command is running, is not always an option. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 12/21 07:52 , Les Mikesell wrote: >> Linux RAID1 mirrors work nicely too, and can actually mirror over >> more than two drives. > > we've had mediocre experiences with linux software RAID at work, and I've > had mediocre experiences with it at home. it works; but sometimes the box > falls over anyway when a drive fails, and it's a decent amount of trouble to > get the array rebuilt after you replace the drive. I usually figure on an > hour of labor to do that, once its all said and done. Considering that labor > is usually upwards of $150/hr, and a 2-port 3ware controller is $130; it's > pretty simple math to figure out which is better. > > we've had nothing but good luck with the dozens of 3ware controllers that we > have in service. I heartily recommend them to everyone. I agree that 3ware controllers are good hardware and worth the money, but I suspect you are comparing the time of swapping an internal drive vs. a swappable cage here. It's not that hard to type an fdisk command followed by an mdadm --add command. Many/most IDE controllers do lock up when one of the drives fails with certain failure modes - this can be a problem especially if your boot drive is there. Scsi tends to fail more gracefully. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/21 07:52 , Les Mikesell wrote: > Linux RAID1 mirrors work nicely too, and can actually mirror over > more than two drives. we've had mediocre experiences with linux software RAID at work, and I've had mediocre experiences with it at home. it works; but sometimes the box falls over anyway when a drive fails, and it's a decent amount of trouble to get the array rebuilt after you replace the drive. I usually figure on an hour of labor to do that, once its all said and done. Considering that labor is usually upwards of $150/hr, and a 2-port 3ware controller is $130; it's pretty simple math to figure out which is better. we've had nothing but good luck with the dozens of 3ware controllers that we have in service. I heartily recommend them to everyone. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> thanks... >> but if I have 2 drives like that, what should I do if one fails? > > if the data drive fails, then you have the OS drive to use to recover your > data (if possible); or at least to quickly set up the new data drive. > > if the OS drive fails, you put in a new drive, boot with knoppix, install > backuppc to knoppix's ramdrive, and restore your OS drive from backup. > > it *is* best to have a redundant drive array in any situation. for buisness > use, a 3ware RAID controller will more than pay for itself the first time > you have a drive problem. Linux RAID1 mirrors work nicely too, and can actually mirror over more than two drives. I use 2 internal 250 gig drives and once a week add a matching external firewire drive and let it sync, which takes a couple of hours, then swap it offsite. I keep a laptop with backuppc installed for quick access to the external drive. There might be a better way to do this with LVM now but this approach should work up to the 750 gig drives that are available now. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/20 01:14 , Filipe wrote: > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom escreveu: > > On 12/19 07:17 , Filipe wrote: > > > >> Using Backuppc (debian) successfully in my company for about 5 months, > >> backing up 6 winXX shares using samba. > >> The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full. > >> Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do... > >> should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using > >> ghost?! > >> > > > > move the contents of /var/lib/backuppc (or whereever your data pool is) to > > the new drive, and then mount the new drive on /var/lib/backuppc. It's a > > very good idea to have your data on a separate drive from the OS. At the > > very least, use a separate partition on disk. > > > > also, I would suggest using LVM on the data partition/disk. this will allow > > you to add space much more easily in the future; or move your data to > > another disk. > > > > > > thanks... > but if I have 2 drives like that, what should I do if one fails? if the data drive fails, then you have the OS drive to use to recover your data (if possible); or at least to quickly set up the new data drive. if the OS drive fails, you put in a new drive, boot with knoppix, install backuppc to knoppix's ramdrive, and restore your OS drive from backup. it *is* best to have a redundant drive array in any situation. for buisness use, a 3ware RAID controller will more than pay for itself the first time you have a drive problem. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom escreveu: On 12/19 07:17 , Filipe wrote: Using Backuppc (debian) successfully in my company for about 5 months, backing up 6 winXX shares using samba. The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full. Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do... should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using ghost?! move the contents of /var/lib/backuppc (or whereever your data pool is) to the new drive, and then mount the new drive on /var/lib/backuppc. It's a very good idea to have your data on a separate drive from the OS. At the very least, use a separate partition on disk. also, I would suggest using LVM on the data partition/disk. this will allow you to add space much more easily in the future; or move your data to another disk. the error when archiving was this Error: /usr/bin/par2 is not an executable program Archive failed: Error: /usr/bin/par2 is not an executable program resolved with apt-get install par2. now I can make archives it was more easy than I thought... The problem is that I use windows on desktop and the options to archive are only gzip or bzip2. what is the better one for me? and what is that parity option? I tested once and it created some .par2 files... for now, I will only need to archive to dvd... don't know if I could use the DAT 24 that is on a unix machine for this... it would be nice... - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...
On 12/19 07:17 , Filipe wrote: > Using Backuppc (debian) successfully in my company for about 5 months, > backing up 6 winXX shares using samba. > The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full. > Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do... > should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using > ghost?! move the contents of /var/lib/backuppc (or whereever your data pool is) to the new drive, and then mount the new drive on /var/lib/backuppc. It's a very good idea to have your data on a separate drive from the OS. At the very least, use a separate partition on disk. also, I would suggest using LVM on the data partition/disk. this will allow you to add space much more easily in the future; or move your data to another disk. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] some questions...
Hi. Using Backuppc (debian) successfully in my company for about 5 months, backing up 6 winXX shares using samba. The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full. Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do... should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using ghost?! Other thing that I didnt know how to do is to make a backup to record to DVD. Most of the hosts are backed up 2 times a day, and it has xfermethod=smb, I can't put in here archive, right? how can I archive a backup to dvd?! cause I will need to make permanent backups to archive to DVD in the end of the year... btw, is it possible to backup thought ftp?, or mount an ftp ?!, it is a local machine, IBM AIX that does not have NFS installed and I don't want to mess in there... and the email summary... I am trying to configure exim4 to sendmail by a smarthost but it is getting tricky... sometimes sends email other don't.. but these emails I send are with manual command mail or sendmail ... I didn't get how I can configure backuppc to email-me if a backup fails... I hope you understand my bad english :) Thanks a LOT! - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
