Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Dear Allan, You were asking about compost tea type shortcuts. This one does not deal with a compost tea type effect but a shortcut way of increasing the pH while putting out the 500. One of our local group members, Nigel White runs his 500 through flow forms random intermittently during the month before putting it out. The interesting part is that he crushes up some quartz into pieces that will fit into the flow forms and not be washed away, somewhere about 1-2 in diameter.Over the first year the pH increased from 5.0 to 5.6. Considering that the farm had been BD for the last 14 years, and this was the first time that this had been done there it could indicate that it may be a technique to follow up and see if the results can be replicated. The pond that the flow forms run into carries enough water for 500 to be put out over over fourteen hundred acres. There has been lots of talk about using trees as transmitters, or field broadcasters and all sorts of other methods. This pond acts as a broadcaster over the farm because it follows the witness of the 500 that has been sprayed out, because some of the 500 which had been sprayed is always in the pond, and the two arealways connected. Using the witness method of broadcasting enables you to change what is happening over your property without having to actually treat the area physically by going over it. whole area. When the flow forms are running they revitalise the 500 that had already been sprayed out. The line of broadcast is horizontal to the water level of the pond and instead of it just being spread over 1400 acres it now spreads over an area considerably further out from Nigel's place. Howzat for a nifty idea. If you understand the nature of subtle energies you can use all types of things as radionic broadcasters. I hope that the drought breaks soon on the East coast. Regards and best wishes, James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers Allan writes: some sort of baseline for the substances Well, yes...FWIW. But let's never forget that it's FORCES we're working with here, not just substances. Brer Lovel's The Nature of Forces bears re-reading. Well yes, and no, Woody. When we're talking BC and Pfeiffer Field Spray, we've got lots of physical possibilities also. I'm not looking for real 'answers' with these tests. I'm mostly interested in seeing if BD practitioners have 'short cuts' to 'compost tea'-type effects. To look at 500 in the same fashion would require looking at 501 in the same fashion. I sort of think that that says it all. Thanks for your reminder. -Allan
RE: Compost for Brewers
Allan writes: some sort of baseline for the substances Well, yes...FWIW. But let's never forget that it's FORCES we're workingwith here, not just substances. Brer Lovel's The Nature of Forces bears re-reading. I would support testing the preps and will contribute $ if you go ahead. How would you get a scientific measurement of life forces anyways, one that would be accepted by the status quo academic/ag community? If tests indicate a higher level of beneficial organisms, it would be proof to me that the preps are adding something to the growing environment. To just depend on believing that there are life forces at work based on one's own experience won't get BD out of the woo-woo realm - which seems to be needed if BD is going to gain wider acceptance. Personally, I'm a believer, but I also am curious to see what the tests would produce. Nancy G. -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Chris, Gil, James et al, I don't recall reading on this list in discussion about trees as broadcasters that this was an additional burden on the trees. Do you recall who's post that was? Also, don't you think those tai chi practitioners are using chi from universal source, and not Nature, nor the void? Jane - Original Message - From: Chris Shade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...) Jane, A few months back there was a discussion about using trees as broadcasters for preps and a few people wrote in their impressions as well as tree spirit's impressions and the general conclusion was that the trees had to do the work in addition to everything else they do. I was not really worried that Tai Chi practitioners would suck the life from all the trees, but that the effect could not really be dependent on good spare chi from living things in nature. Rather the practitioner must be able at some level to pull energy out of the void. Given the number of good TaiChi people in big cities, nature must not be the only source. Chris
Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Why do you need to know about the bugs? I thought it was just the forces in the preps that we use, what have the bugs got to do with it? Well, again, yes and no. People have already received good reports on the soil foodweb analysis of their BC. The Pfeiffer Sprays actually have bacteria added to them. We know that the preps work well with benign microbes. It would be nice to actually take a look and find out more of what is going on with the preps on a biological level. This is not meant at all to forget about or overlook their spiritual purpose and value. While we talk a lot about spiritual food for mankind, we also talk alot about how healhy plants do not have disease or insect pests. And then we talk a lot about how to treat those plant diseases or insect pests. When you listen to Elaine for a while, and not just her theories but her trials and experiements, I at least realize that Elaine is talking about the sort of every day physical success I was hoping to always have with my plants if I applied the preps in the fall and spring. Many times I get those same successes, but sometimes I don't. Elaine's model, for me, is the first model I've seen that really explains those differences and to me they make tremendous sense. (Nowadays, of course, I apply preps more frequently.) Annual plants evolved in complex symbiosis with a foodweb that was already millions of years old. Today, the devestation of the soil is so total that even in the forests there are few examples of healthy complex foodwebs. (We are losing our hemlocks here because the soil foodweb of the woods has been 'damaged by acid rains.') When Al Kapuler spoke at my confernece several years back he said, Hey, if I were going to innoculate with bacteria on a farm scale, this is what I'd do: I'd take a small amount of a microbial dense source and stir it for about 1 hour in about 3 gallons of warm water and then I'd splash large droplets of it over the land towards evening time, work it into the soil if I could and make sure to not do that just before a rain. Al Kapuler, former research scientist for Seeds of Change, is a Phd in microbiology. These tests are in no way meant to point a finger at the preps and say It's the bugs! From my point of view they are to encourage the use of barrel compost and perhaps the use of Pfeiffer Field Spray in the ways that Elaine uses compost tea. And they are way that the BD person inspired by Elaine who wants to use BC more often in confidence that he's doing as well as the brewers can do the same sceintifically and not through dogma. And, I think many of us think this is a way to show off the array of microbes that BD has been using all along. In no way, in my mind and my humble opinion, would these tests contradict the spiritual power or intent of the BD preps. -Allan
Re: Gauss readings of soil
Hi James and Barbara! Thanks for all of your good work. For those of us still wishing to learn some of the technical lingo -- could you explain Gauss? Thanks! Wayne James and Barbara Hedley wrote: Dear Allan,I just got an E-mail from Lloyd Charles concerning some soil samples that he took at our place during the last workshop.The technician who tested the soil could not believe that the readings that he was getting started off at 3500 gauss and just went up from there.Anyone got any better soil out there.James -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Sharon and Wayne McEachern http://www.LightExpression.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A Divine Program for Healing and Transformation" and Expressing the Light "A Ministry Dedicated to the Divine Process" *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Re: Kisss Merlas road
Thank you, Tony, for a most useful message. This is along the lines that I had in mind and it's so nice to get a confirmation from many people on the list. The idea of sowing a reclamation mix of seeds right along with everything right at the beginning will spur me on to get this supply list and budget on the road! I need to make the big leap to making my own preps anyway. I shall certainly do this as far as I am able and ask for help from Daniel and Joe Clark who have made preps here. This whole business has depressed me and I'm just coming out of it. It's so hard to absorb being mistreated by members of the weed advisory committee and having to fight the whole inertia of the conventional paradigm and its bureaucracy. I'm way behind on my seed germination and my clay animals. Thank goodness for this list and the energy it gives me for BD and life in general! Merla Rambler wrote: Merla Your road project is a wonderful idea keep going use the KISSS formula Keep IT Simple,Stressfree, Successful. The weeds indicate an acid soil with a high potassium loading, a lack of calcium and poor organic matter content.I feel that the pfeiffer spray may not be of much benefit to this situation due to the lack of organic matter. Ifeel that a barrel compost made using Steve STorch method that is all the PREPS including horn clay and maybe with some of the pfieffer spray as well. If you make this on your own property it may solve many of your legal problems. I agree with Dave Robisons post mulching and mowing weeds before they set seed is the best method.I also would suggest that you look at sowing wild flower seeds straight after mowing and let nature help you.USE wild flower seeds that are suitable to your soil type. If you also sow seed just before the snow thaws this will water and feed young seedlings and help them become established.Blue lupin and clover mixed with the rye and oats also makes a good green crop. A year or so back someone on this list set up some wild flower plots. Once you have the intial planting established let nature help you in ayrer or two,s time you will have the most attractive road in the county. In New Zealand they have been running trial plantings of wild flowers and it hasnow been accepted nation wide i believe. Good luck and best wishesand may nature provide. Tony Robinson NewZealand
Re: Gabriel Howearth
Dear list members, In the same book the secret life of plants, the author mentions Gabriel Howearth and his work on setting up a bank of seeds . Does anyone know about this and/or the existence of other such initiatives ?. Roelof try http://www.seedsofchange.com to see how this story turned out. -Allan
Testing for soil creatures
On Friday, March 15, 2002, at 02:02 AM, Nancy Geffken wrote: I would support testing the preps and will contribute $ if you go ahead. How would you get a scientific measurement of life forces anyways, one that would be accepted by the status quo academic/ag community? If tests indicate a higher level of beneficial organisms, it would be proof to me that the preps are adding something to the growing environment. To just depend on believing that there are life forces at work based on one's own experience won't get BD out of the woo-woo realm - which seems to be needed if BD is going to gain wider acceptance. Personally, I'm a believer, but I also am curious to see what the tests would produce. Right on Nancy. There are both physical and spiritual forces at work. If others want to go in on this, I am interested to see results of the physical soil activity. I am surprised Dr. Ingham has not done this type of count already. It is my understanding she did conduct one of her experiments with biodynamic preps. She made compost and the biodynamic compost heated up faster and higher when compared to rates of activity in other composts. To me that means a lot more biotic activity, as well as the unseen forces. If there are higher than normal counts of soil critters that would explain the physical part. If there are NOT higher than normal soil critters, that would point to there being something else at work. Bonnie York
Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Allan: . Would it not be logical to test the same soil treated and untreated with preps and or Pfeiffer sprays, or alternately compost with and without preps. I agree with Dr Ingham that the bugs are important, in fact so much so that I am attending her workshop in 10 days, but if you read her material then it is the growing of the bugs in good compost and then the correct brewing of the tea to extract and grow them on that causes her success and the extended varieties of bugs. I doubt that just testing the preps will tell you much because you are only part way down the path of their use. Test away by all means but will it really tell you anything? My two bobs worth. David C - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers Why do you need to know about the bugs? I thought it was just the forces in the preps that we use, what have the bugs got to do with it? Well, again, yes and no. People have already received good reports on the soil foodweb analysis of their BC. The Pfeiffer Sprays actually have bacteria added to them. We know that the preps work well with benign microbes. It would be nice to actually take a look and find out more of what is going on with the preps on a biological level. This is not meant at all to forget about or overlook their spiritual purpose and value. While we talk a lot about spiritual food for mankind, we also talk alot about how healhy plants do not have disease or insect pests. And then we talk a lot about how to treat those plant diseases or insect pests. When you listen to Elaine for a while, and not just her theories but her trials and experiements, I at least realize that Elaine is talking about the sort of every day physical success I was hoping to always have with my plants if I applied the preps in the fall and spring. Many times I get those same successes, but sometimes I don't. Elaine's model, for me, is the first model I've seen that really explains those differences and to me they make tremendous sense. (Nowadays, of course, I apply preps more frequently.) Annual plants evolved in complex symbiosis with a foodweb that was already millions of years old. Today, the devestation of the soil is so total that even in the forests there are few examples of healthy complex foodwebs. (We are losing our hemlocks here because the soil foodweb of the woods has been 'damaged by acid rains.') When Al Kapuler spoke at my confernece several years back he said, Hey, if I were going to innoculate with bacteria on a farm scale, this is what I'd do: I'd take a small amount of a microbial dense source and stir it for about 1 hour in about 3 gallons of warm water and then I'd splash large droplets of it over the land towards evening time, work it into the soil if I could and make sure to not do that just before a rain. Al Kapuler, former research scientist for Seeds of Change, is a Phd in microbiology. These tests are in no way meant to point a finger at the preps and say It's the bugs! From my point of view they are to encourage the use of barrel compost and perhaps the use of Pfeiffer Field Spray in the ways that Elaine uses compost tea. And they are way that the BD person inspired by Elaine who wants to use BC more often in confidence that he's doing as well as the brewers can do the same sceintifically and not through dogma. And, I think many of us think this is a way to show off the array of microbes that BD has been using all along. In no way, in my mind and my humble opinion, would these tests contradict the spiritual power or intent of the BD preps. -Allan
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Jane, I was figuring on the void being the universal source, but am not really sure of what terminology to use at this point. I know that it fells like the heavy energy sinks (feminine) and the light energy rises (masculine) and in the middle something new is generated (son/product) so I guess it is a life ether type of thing. As far as tree as broadcaster, the thread was called Tree as Cosmic Pipe and was around July. You yourself had a few postings. I copied a few to jog your memory. Chris First orient the tree. Say: ''In accordance with God's will and the Christ Jesus let this tree have its proper orientation in the ground for it's best possible future growth Place the vials as such: north +500 in ground +++west 501 up in tree++east 508 in ground +++south +++barrel compost, in ground The tree has an energy field that inhales and exhales in a daily rhythm as does the earth. The preparations placed in this energy field are broadcast similarly to the cosmic pipe, but in the living realm and must be assisted with real stirring and spraying. I ask my trees to do a sequential spraying for rain the week of every full moon during the growing season, it works like a charm as long as I commune with the tree's spirit. sstorch Thanks for getting this thread going Christy! And to all who are contributing much 'preparation' for thought... JS - Original Message - From: The Korrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Tree as cosmic pipe snip am thinking the preps were buried with each one in a specific direction... In light of the discussion this past week, I wonder how some pre-stirred preps might work more effectively for this type of work. I know this is a general description. Hope this helps.Christy Markess writes, can they (the trees) get all their other work done if the are tied up doing pipe work? Christy writes: I have just finished reading some talks by Manfred Klett about the preps. He makes the point that we, as human beings making preparations are taking substances as they naturally occur in nature, and combining them to bring them to a higher state of evolutionary capability. We create a seed or germinal substance. Steiner talked about domesticated animals. He said that as we properly care for them, we are allowing them to fullfill what and who they are in their evolutionary process.Some of those against keeping farm animals would disagree. They might think the animals are enslaved to humanity. ( of course we are not talking about factory farming here, but instead a biodynamic ideal.)It is a gift from the human being to the animal when the animal has this opportunity to serve. The animal also receives love in return for what it is offering. To use a tree as a tool to emminate the preparations, I can't see where this would make a tree tired. If the person involved has a loving attitude, and is working for the betterment of all life, the tree will be lifted up, as Manfred Klett talked about, to a higher stage in its evolutionary process. This is something that would not have come into existance with out the human activity.I do not talk to trees, so I can not speak for a tree nessecarily! But I do know that nature spirits want to work with us in a co creative way. I don't feel a tree has a finite amount of energy, I imagine it has a constant life force pouring out, regardless of what is burried around it. If the preps are buried around the tree, the life force pours out of the tree, and sweeps along with it what ever is in its path, on out into the atmosphere and the soil. The tree does not have to generate more life force to broadcast the preps. It all happens naturally. If anything, the energy of the preps surrounding the tree would increase the life force of the tree, thus creating a mutual magnification of positive prep energy. Christy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/
Re: Testing for soil creatures
Right on Nancy. There are both physical and spiritual forces at work. If others want to go in on this, I am interested to see results of the physical soil activity. I am surprised Dr. Ingham has not done this type of count already. It is my understanding she did conduct one of her experiments with biodynamic preps. She made compost and the biodynamic compost heated up faster and higher when compared to rates of activity in other composts. To me that means a lot more biotic activity, as well as the unseen forces. If there are higher than normal counts of soil critters that would explain the physical part. If there are NOT higher than normal soil critters, that would point to there being something else at work. Unfortunately we cannot forget that all preps are not created equally, not even ones made by the same people. For this reason, results that we do get from SFW Labs will only be relative. -Allan
Re: Gathering Chi (was re: agrisynthesis...)
Dear Gil--Please tell us who Frank Moody is. Gil Robertson wrote: Is the Tree's doorway (as promoted by Frank Moody) involved? Gil
Re: Gauss readings of soil
- Original Message - From: Wayne and Sharon McEachern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: Gauss readings of soil Hi James and Barbara! Thanks for all of your good work. For those of us still wishing to learn some of the technical lingo -- could you explain Gauss? Thanks! Wayne Hi Wayne I will leave the technical explanation to James but in the meantime if you want to do some testing yourself here's how 1. get a sample (or a couple of different ones) of paramagneteic rock dust of known gauss and keep for reference, I keep mine in a normal paper envelope. 2. now you need a small (1/2" diameter or smaller) but high quality - strong - magnet - your ordinary fridge magnet type is not good enough - and suspend the magnet on a piece ofcotton about a foot or so long. 3. the magnet will stick to your envelope of paramagnetic material and by moving the cotton away so that you have just enough tension on the cotton to equal the weight of the magnet you find the magnet comes away from the sample at a certain angle depending on the paramagnetic value or strength of the material tested. The reverse of this of course is that a diamagnetic material (lime for instance) should repel the magnet Its a fun thing - but a good enough system to tell if a rock source is worthy of serious testing - good enough that I was not all that surprised by the reading we got on James's soil and a 1200 reading is regarded as real good for soil DO NOT GET THIS LITTLE MAGNET ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES OR YOU WILL NUKE THEM Have fun Lloyd Charles
RE: Planting Spuds - How do you do it?
Hugh, In your post on potatoes you stated that you soak the potato sets in peroxide - is this just to ensure that the cut surfaces do not become infected, or do you do this with whole potatoes as well? If so, does it help in keeping the potato plants healthy? Thanks Stephen Barrow Dear Stephen, Potatoes love oxygen. So I soak even the smaller whole potatoes in the peroxide bath. When I buy potato seed I think the peroxide helps clean them up. I've had some pretty funky seed potatoes. But all along the line I think you should maximise the oxygen for potatoes. If you don't have a spading machine, for instance, you should subsoil. And barring that you should hill. And there may be other things that would help. Best, Hugh
Re: Questions for Hugh was Re: Planting Spuds - How do you do it?
Hugh - thanks for the good post on how you manage your spuds. Questions come to mind. How deeply do you mulch with hay? Allan, About whatever comes off the bale, But thats a couple inches. How do you unroll the bales? I get it in the right direction and roll (downhill). Your harvesting sounds like you are using a harrow to pull the spuds of the soil but if the seed potato is only under the mulch all the 'new' potatoes would occur above it. I must be reading this wrong. Are you harvesting spuds from the mulch or from the soil? Didn't I say I lay the spuds out and then tuck them in? I tuck the set into the ground about 2 to 3 inches, so the spuds, which form above the roots, don't all sit on the surface. I don't want any on the surface because if they don't have enough hay on them they turn green Do you use any foliar sprays? (fish? kelp?) I expect to try some. Do you side dress with compost or fertilizer at any point? No. Only the field broadcaster. What legume are you growing in your paths nowadays? I like white dutch clover. Best, Hugh thanks again -Allan
