Re: bowling for columbine
Will, I for one have not been sitting on my hands for well over 20 years. Today I filmed fall colors marked the spots around the tripod legs so I could shoot the same scene in winter spring summer (one year pre planning) all for just a 30 sec ending scene, one fading into another, along with ladybugs bedding down for the winter in a shagbark hickory. Next week I'll be filming a GMO debate to get the pro side sticking their feet in their mouths as they have done every time that I've seen them talk, for use on some future project. I've been threatened and harassed by the police for my Mooreian approach, run a CSA, hold workshops, speak at every local event that's pro organic or anti crud-agriculture, am president of a non-profit in which the gov's office says that we are the only people doing organic education in the state. So I don't want to see Think LOKI or anything else. Thinking and talk is fine, What other people have done is fine, you want to compare me with Al Gore fine, but if your not going to do anything, then my pessimism is more than well founded, besides it wasn't pessimism, it was a prod to see if you'd gone any further than the concept and you still haven't shone me that you have. If you want to talk about doing a project, then cut the BS and lets talk about the project. Do you have any film making experience at all? I know it's not easy and I am doing it. Dear Chris I think we need ALL KINDS of film, lecture, photography, book and workshop protests to the status quo. I am sure you three documentaries will be a big part of the paradigm shift. This MM stuff is a whole 'nother deal. Think DIONYSOS. Think LOKI. Think HEYOKA. Think BACCHUS. Think COYOTE. GRINCH, CATCH-22, M.A.S.H. Working against stupidity has been very taxing on me physically these three projects are going to be positive with a dose of reality. The American public (our target audience) hates Al Gore. He is positive with a dose of reality. The Average Joe equates this with a GLUM sermon from your dad or an embalmed Lutheran minister. The Democrats just proved you can't get votes by telling people how badly managed things are now. create a 90 min piece on agriculture would take a tremendous amount of time not to mention the $. I don't want to sound pessimistic, I just want to point out the film making side of the project. Still sounds pessimistic, sorry.. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. I'd be game but I'd have to see a certain amount of seriousness and of course there is the money and it aint cheap. How about a certain amount of foolishness? How about Noah? Will
Off Topic: Q33NY Hoax
From Urban Legends Reference Page (Snopes.com): The last coincidence is strictly a manufactured one. Although typing the characters Q33NY using the Wingdings font does produce the string of images shown below (an airplane, two pieces of paper that sort of resemble buildings, a skull and crossbones, and a Star of David), there was no flight Q33NY involved in the terrorist attack on New York City (the two flights who planes were crashed into the building were American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175), nor does that string correspond to any airplane's tail number or any airline's flight number.
ADMIN: Watch out for address book scam!
This is unverified by me, folks, but I've received the mailing and, in my innocence, was saved from downloading the software by the fact that it is not Mac-compatible. Any one as narcisstic as I is in danger of being scammed by this site, it appears! -Allan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: VirusEye Subscriber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Important Information: Greeting Card E-mail Scam MessageLabs8 Nov 2002 Please be aware that there is a mass-mailing Greeting Card e-mail scam currently active on the Internet. It is being operated by a company called Permissioned Media Inc., based in Panama. The e-mail will appear in your inbox and will ask you to click upon a link to view the greeting card you have been sent. The link is not necessarily related to a greeting card site, and after clicking on it, will state that software needs to be installed on your machine for you to view the greeting card. Within the terms and conditions of the license it states that by agreeing to the installation of the software, you are also agreeing that a copy of the greeting card e-mail can be sent to everyone in your address book. If you accept the terms of the lience agreement, it will send a copy of the e-mail to the contacts in your address book. Examples of domains that we have seen operating this scam are as follows: friend-greeting.com or .net, friendgreetings.com or .net, cool-downloads.com or .net, friend-greetings.com or .net, friend-cards.com or .net All of which are registered to Permissioned Media inc. The greeting card e-mail scam is not technically a virus or a worm, and many anti-virus vendors are stating that they have no plans to detect and prevent the program. Please be vigilant when reading licence agreements and installing software of this nature, especially from organisations such as Permissioned Media Inc. who are distributing the FriendsGreeting program. If you have any questions, please contact the MessageLabs Help Desk, or your Customer Services Executive. Further information may be found here. Regards, MessageLabs www.messagelabs.com This email was sent to you because you subscribe to MessageLabs' Virus Alert service. You can cancel your subscription on the MessageLabs website at http://www.messagelabs.com/AlertUnsubscribe MessageLabs is a leading provider of Internet-level managed email security services. Through its SkyScan portfolio of services, MessageLabs customers are protected from email-borne threats such as viruses, unsolicited mail and pornographic material, before such content comes anywhere near their network boundaries. 8 Nov 2002 Please be aware that there is a mass-mailing Greeting Card e-mail scam currently active on the Internet. It is being operated by a company called Permissioned Media Inc., based in Panama. The e-mail will appear in your inbox and will ask you to click upon a link to view the greeting card you have been sent. The link is not necessarily related to a greeting card site, and after clicking on it, will state that software needs to be installed on your machine for you to view the greeting card. Within the terms and conditions of the license it states that by agreeing to the installation of the software, you are also agreeing that a copy of the greeting card e-mail can be sent to everyone in your address book. If you accept the terms of the lience agreement, it will send a copy of the e-mail to the contacts in your address book. Examples of domains that we have seen operating this scam are as follows: friend-greeting.com or .net, friendgreetings.com or .net, cool-downloads.com or .net, friend-greetings.com or .net, friend-cards.com or .net All of which are registered to Permissioned Media inc. The greeting card e-mail scam is not technically a virus or a worm, and many anti-virus vendors are stating that they have no plans to detect and prevent the program. Please be vigilant when reading licence agreements and installing software of this nature, especially from organisations such as Permissioned Media Inc. who are distributing the FriendsGreeting program. If you have any questions, please contact the MessageLabs Help Desk, or your Customer Services Executive. Further information may be found at: www.messagelabs.com/viruseye/report.asp?id=111. Regards, MessageLabs www.messagelabs.com This email was sent to you because you subscribe to MessageLabs' Virus Alert service. You can cancel your subscription on the MessageLabs website at http://www.messagelabs.com/AlertUnsubscribe MessageLabs is a leading provider of Internet-level managed email security services. Through its SkyScan portfolio of services, MessageLabs customers are protected from email-borne threats such as viruses, unsolicited mail and pornographic material, before such content comes anywhere near their network
Re: What is Magic?
Have a meeting for farmer on how to organize cooperative markets 2 people will come. Have a class on how to get 2 blades of grass instead of one you had better rent a huge hall. Maybe I missed the point of the above, Markess, but in our area, tell farmers how to make money fast (Joel Salatin, for example) and you'll fill the hall. Offer to tell people how to heal the earth and create foods of higher quality at the same time and very few are interested. Take the BIODYNAMIC CONFERENCE for example: right down the road from the BD Conference were TWO of the most famous organic farms in northern Virginia. Both heavily attended Salatin (i.e. one has 5 interns, the other 14 interns- almost all came for Joel), NONE attended the BD Conference. Like Merla, these folks were offered free passes so there would be no easy excuse to not attend at least portions of the conference. Although they all implied that they would be at the conference (heaven's - they didn't even have to cross the street!), none attended. We had a similar response to the Sustainable Ag video/discussion series. Very few interested in the philosophy and principles behind growing food in cooperation with Nature. A few of the big market people attended one of the presentations, but clearly just so they could find out who I was and what I could do for them in the short run. We got excellent exposure to the local farm community for all of these events. We have a N. VA farmer's discussion list, to which invitations and reminders were posted. I know the big mouths in local fruit and vegetable growing. No one attended, although the head of the market did make a reservation but eventually backed out. I'm talking market gardeners in the US' 3rd richest county. Little interest in a larger crop. Little interest in better produce but a lot of interest in selling more at better prices. My remarks above are in no way intended to malign Joel Salatin. His is the great synthesis: a way of farming that makes the land better and makes people more healthy while making more money for the farmer in a 9month work year. Catch him at ACRES this year, if you can. Later -Allan
Re: bowling for columbine
In a message dated 11/10/02 3:03:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . If you want to talk about doing a project, then cut the BS and lets talk about the project. Do you have any film making experience at all? I know it's not easy and I am doing it. Go girlfriend, have I told you lately, I Love you and what you do??? Well I do...sstorch
Re: bowling for columbine
Oh Steve, you are so sweet, but be careful because you are responding to CHRIS, my husband!! This could provide some good material for the anxiously awaited for BDNOW! soap opera. (Allan, what do you think?) I love you too. CHRISTY - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:17 AM Subject: Re: bowling for columbine In a message dated 11/10/02 3:03:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . If you want to talk about doing a project, then cut the BS and lets talk about the project. Do you have any film making experience at all? I know it's not easy and I am doing it. Go girlfriend, have I told you lately, I Love you and what you do??? Well I do...sstorch
Re: What is Magic?
Hello- I am new here and writing on this site makes my palms sweat, but I would like to say that I came from Nebraska to go to Allan's BD Conference in October. I felt pulled to it from the time I saw it offered in Acres USA and it was wonderful. I come from a checkered past of very conventional production agriculture and until 6 years ago believed this was the only way. When our field no longer grew decent crops even with massive doses of chemical inputs, we began our quest for a better way. It has been the most wonderful and difficult thing I have ever been involved with and we have fought an uphill battle all the way-personally and economically. I personally feel that my brains have been put in a Waring Blender and thoroughly scrambled. Nothing that I believed in belongs anymore. What I find is that I believe with all my heart and soul there is a better way. I am pulled so very hard towards the spirituality and connectedness of the bd concepts. But how to get there?!?!? I came home from the conference and made my own batch of barrel compost. I am on my way out now to our small greenhouse to stir a batch of bc using the preps that I bought at the conference for my own vegetables. Most everyone here thinks I have short circuited somewhere. I guess what I wanted to say here is thank you for all of your thoughts on this site. I feel so strongly that I am supposed to be learning these things. Allan spoke in a recent post about creating sparks from your thoughts and I think you have helped me here. Much goes right over my head, but some I grasp on a deeper level than even I can really understand or explain. I am on a journey to find and support my intuitive nature (which is the real me) and disconnect from the logical side that I have had to learn to function in in my role here. Hard to do.My dream is to be able to bring our farm to a place that you can just feel the positive beautiful growing energy on when you come here. We like to call it regenerational farming. Then to be able to share that with anyone that is interested to help them make changes and avoid some of the mistakes we have made. There isn't much room for mistakes economically any more. Is there a place for bd concepts in larger scale agriculture?? or do those two concepts totally oppose one another? See, here again confusion reigns. I agree with all of you that our earth desperately needs healing. Is it possible to use bd on larger operations? I am thinking of use of preps in our compost tea brewing process. We made and put on about 9 gallons of tea this past summer. I feel it could be a wonderful way to address larger operations. Not that I feel large operations are necessarily the correct approach, but to face the facts, that is what is going on in our world. And if there is a way to bring even a fraction of those folks towards healing the soil instead of destroying it, then there has to be someone to help show them that it can work. Well, once again thank you for your thoughts. I hope the spiritual world understands and helps those that struggle and are confused, because then there is hope for me! Michelle Wendell - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: Re: What is Magic? Have a meeting for farmer on how to organize cooperative markets 2 people will come. Have a class on how to get 2 blades of grass instead of one you had better rent a huge hall. Maybe I missed the point of the above, Markess, but in our area, tell farmers how to make money fast (Joel Salatin, for example) and you'll fill the hall. Offer to tell people how to heal the earth and create foods of higher quality at the same time and very few are interested. Take the BIODYNAMIC CONFERENCE for example: right down the road from the BD Conference were TWO of the most famous organic farms in northern Virginia. Both heavily attended Salatin (i.e. one has 5 interns, the other 14 interns- almost all came for Joel), NONE attended the BD Conference. Like Merla, these folks were offered free passes so there would be no easy excuse to not attend at least portions of the conference. Although they all implied that they would be at the conference (heaven's - they didn't even have to cross the street!), none attended. We had a similar response to the Sustainable Ag video/discussion series. Very few interested in the philosophy and principles behind growing food in cooperation with Nature. A few of the big market people attended one of the presentations, but clearly just so they could find out who I was and what I could do for them in the short run. We got excellent exposure to the local farm community for all of these events. We have a N. VA farmer's discussion list, to which invitations and reminders were posted. I know the big mouths in local fruit and vegetable growing. No one attended, although the head of the market did
Re: Stick to beat organic farmers?
'Let off' is not really what happened at Oaklands. Well, my final comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek; I guess BD food is much less popular than GM at the Ministry! Tony N-S. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: What is Magic?
Steve and others, don't you think Pheiffer field spray would be perfect in this case? There is at least one large scale BD grain producer in Nebraska, or am I confused, is Bob Steffan (Massena Farms) in Neb? What kind of farm do you have? My personal opinion is that there are many shining examples of large scale BD production, and that it is a matter of finding a good balance amidst the large acreage, not a question of whether small acreage or large acreage is better or worse.. Christy Korrow - Original Message - From: Jack Wendell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Bowling for BioDynamics
on 11/10/02 12:21 AM, The Korrows at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will I for one have not been sitting on my hands for well over 20 years. So I don't want to see Think LOKI or anything else. Thinking and talk is fine, If you want to talk about doing a project, then cut the BS Dear Chris I hate it that I seemed to have provoked so much DEFENSIVENESS. I am not mocking what you have done and I could already sense that you were producing volumes even before you listed them. I am pretty sure we are on the same team too and I had thought we could work to destroy the enemy out there not each other. I thought we had been discussing Michael Moore's work in particular (rather than anyone's resume in this group) and, when I said Think LOKI, I was referring to tools and metaphors one could use to understand HIS technique, not yours. To me, the real point, and the only point I was trying to make is WHAT BEST ACHIEVES A PARADIGM SHIFT? Too much violence, too much humor or too strident a tone can be counter-productive. We had a perfect example here in Minnesota last week when emotions ran high at the Senator Paul Wellstone memorial. A lot of strident words were said and they had the opposite of desired effect: those words basically elected the Bush lapdog, Norm Coleman. The whole world will all pay for that for years to come. On the other hand, we might not have had an effective Civil Rights Movement if we had stuck to the NAACP plan. From Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokley Carmichael and a lady on the bus who refused to give up her seat, we had paradigm shift. A bloody one, but it worked. In the '60's JFK caused a huge national paradigm shift with his stirring speeches and many people I knew joined the Peace Corps and, from his words alone, were permanently changed to the cause. For me, it was not only JFK but it came mostly through the MUSIC of the times. The words of the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Crosby, Sills, Nash and Young and so many others INFORMED ME and caused me to leave the safety of my upbringing, develop the conviction to stand my ground, and ultimately get tear-gassed and even jailed for a cause I didn't even understand at the time. When Viet Nam was over we were stunned that we were actually right! Hell, we were just farm kids in the Midwest. MOVIES have changed my life, permanently. A string of anti-war movies starting with Catch-22 (perhaps the best movie ever made IMHO) and Dr Strangelove , showed me war is wrong, A string of anti-racism movies starting with To Kill A Mockingbird, to Hair, A Musical, changed my life forever. This continues to be a powerful vehicle of change in my life. For me, I can see the big picture better if I am clubbed over the head with humor and absurdity (which is why MM works for me). There are also BOOKS capable of starting a life change. I was reading Richard Brautigan's hilarious prose and poetry during the meltdown of the '60's. I read Juliette de Bairacli Levy's Herbal Guide to the Dog and tossed away 8 years of sterile education as well as a safe secure career for this mess of a career I have loved (and cursed) for the last 25 years. One book! So, in conclusion, I come back to us. On one hand you tell us you feel thinking and talking is fine (which is what I thought was the purpose of this discussion group) then on the other, you tell me that MY thinking and talking is bull shit. As a newcomer to this group, I really want to know: Are you trying to inflame me to action using insults (tip: My past history indicates that SHAMING is an ineffective motivator for positive change) or trying to shut me up with a resume measuring contest? Will Winter
Re: Bowling for BioDynamics
Will, I am an activist, that means that I put my beliefs into action. So If someone says lets make a film on this list I'll take them seriously because most of the people that I Know on this list are movers and shakers and I have the utmost respect for them, even if I don't agree with them from time to time. They/we are getting it done (and yes Steve I love you too even if your just after my wife). I'm just trying to get a straight answer, of which you seem loath to even approach. So I have to assume that you weren't serious, and that's perfectly ok. God bless. In Love and Light, Chris Will I for one have not been sitting on my hands for well over 20 years. So I don't want to see Think LOKI or anything else. Thinking and talk is fine, If you want to talk about doing a project, then cut the BS Dear Chris I hate it that I seemed to have provoked so much DEFENSIVENESS. I am not mocking what you have done and I could already sense that you were producing volumes even before you listed them. I am pretty sure we are on the same team too and I had thought we could work to destroy the enemy out there not each other. I thought we had been discussing Michael Moore's work in particular (rather than anyone's resume in this group) and, when I said Think LOKI, I was referring to tools and metaphors one could use to understand HIS technique, not yours. To me, the real point, and the only point I was trying to make is WHAT BEST ACHIEVES A PARADIGM SHIFT? Too much violence, too much humor or too strident a tone can be counter-productive. We had a perfect example here in Minnesota last week when emotions ran high at the Senator Paul Wellstone memorial. A lot of strident words were said and they had the opposite of desired effect: those words basically elected the Bush lapdog, Norm Coleman. The whole world will all pay for that for years to come. On the other hand, we might not have had an effective Civil Rights Movement if we had stuck to the NAACP plan. From Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokley Carmichael and a lady on the bus who refused to give up her seat, we had paradigm shift. A bloody one, but it worked. In the '60's JFK caused a huge national paradigm shift with his stirring speeches and many people I knew joined the Peace Corps and, from his words alone, were permanently changed to the cause. For me, it was not only JFK but it came mostly through the MUSIC of the times. The words of the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Crosby, Sills, Nash and Young and so many others INFORMED ME and caused me to leave the safety of my upbringing, develop the conviction to stand my ground, and ultimately get tear-gassed and even jailed for a cause I didn't even understand at the time. When Viet Nam was over we were stunned that we were actually right! Hell, we were just farm kids in the Midwest. MOVIES have changed my life, permanently. A string of anti-war movies starting with Catch-22 (perhaps the best movie ever made IMHO) and Dr Strangelove , showed me war is wrong, A string of anti-racism movies starting with To Kill A Mockingbird, to Hair, A Musical, changed my life forever. This continues to be a powerful vehicle of change in my life. For me, I can see the big picture better if I am clubbed over the head with humor and absurdity (which is why MM works for me). There are also BOOKS capable of starting a life change. I was reading Richard Brautigan's hilarious prose and poetry during the meltdown of the '60's. I read Juliette de Bairacli Levy's Herbal Guide to the Dog and tossed away 8 years of sterile education as well as a safe secure career for this mess of a career I have loved (and cursed) for the last 25 years. One book! So, in conclusion, I come back to us. On one hand you tell us you feel thinking and talking is fine (which is what I thought was the purpose of this discussion group) then on the other, you tell me that MY thinking and talking is bull shit. As a newcomer to this group, I really want to know: Are you trying to inflame me to action using insults (tip: My past history indicates that SHAMING is an ineffective motivator for positive change) or trying to shut me up with a resume measuring contest? Will Winter
Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Title: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps Hello all, I tried searching the archives for the results of Elaines testing of the bd preps but for some reason was unable to find them. Does someone have them handy to forward to me so I can share them with Jean-Paul? Thanks, Jane Sherry
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Hello all, I tried searching the archives for the results of Elaine's testing of the bd preps but for some reason was unable to find them. Does someone have them handy to forward to me so I can share them with Jean-Paul? Thanks, Jane Sherry Oh, please, Jane, tell me what Jean-Paul wants with lab work from the physcial preps!! The testing of the BD preps by BD Now! through SFI pretty much went the way Chris apparently expects the film work to go. However, I think I was willing to give my co-workers a little more rope, which, unfortunately, means a little more time. Only enough funds were raised to test one BD prep, which, to date, has not been done. Finally, when the funds for testing the preps were finally forwarded to me (which was some time ago, but not that long ago in the scheme of things), I was in the midst of the pre and post BIODYNAMIC CONFERENCE landslide of me-oriented extra labor, which has not abated at this time for reasons I do not care to discuss on-line. In the meantime, there is a lot of discussion from the Organic certification people about not allowing the use of manure based compost teas in food production. (Which is probably Jean Paul's interest: to 'know' that there is no e-coli in the manure-based preps) Personally, I do not feel that right now is an appropriate time to associate BD with compost tea because, of course, the preps are not compost tea but they may wind up 'banned' from organic farms along with manure-based compost teas. I'll pose this question to Hugh Courtney and see how he feels. I think it is very important that we set aside our personal interests and act responsibly with and for the preps in the eye of a less-than-understanding public. I could be overly protective, however, and will leave it to Hugh to make the call. Does that help? -Allan
Re: Bowling for BioDynamics
Folks - I really does disturb me to have a guest as valueable to the biodynamic movement in North America as Will Winter is badgered in public as though he were airey-fairie. Those who do not attend ACRES USA conferences or do not read ACRES USA monthly (or daily as I do...for reasons I also do not care to disclose right now), can see both how downright attractive this man is as well as the fact that he has made a habit of manifesting his Spirit-motivated ideas here on the physical plane by taking a look here: http://www.gardeningforthefuture.com/winter.html I accept that I am the to blame for this because I do not have an 'introduction' program for BD Now!, one in which everyone tells who they are and why they want to talk about biodynamics. Until then, we do have to know people 'by their Work.' In the short haul, of course, that is not always possible. -ALLAN
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Because I am not interested in how the preps tested, I did not follow that thread, hence my misunderstanding that they had in fact been tested. Jean-Paul did not express interest, I was just lucky enough to be at the farm, ate some wonderful farm food, and mentioned the thread at bdnow. He is well aware of how ridiculous the USDA org regs are as regards e coli, and in fact mentioned that there could not possibly be any e coli in a properly made compost or compost tea! Apparently I have not learned my lesson to keep myself out of these political bruha's. Was only wanting to share some of your good work with JP, who is something of a soil magician, and was curious ONLY after I brought it up. Take your rescue remedy, and failing that drink a lot of oat straw tea my dear! Jane Does that help? -Allan
Re: What is Magic?
Dear Michelle Thanks for coming on the list with this post - We farm 2300 acres in southern Australia and are, like you, in the middle of trying to convert away from chemicals. Ours is only a small scale operation in commercial dollar terms, but we crop 1000 acres of dryland cereals, and getting things done properly is a major hurdle to the implementation of Biodynamics. There isn't much room for mistakes economically any more. Is there a place for bd concepts in larger scale agriculture?? or do those two concepts totally oppose one another? I am not usually one for quoting Steiner said but he did say the BENEFITS of the biodynamic preparations should be made available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth - to me the major benefits are the regenerative forces contained in the preps and I choose to put those forces out over my land with a field broadcaster - at least that gets done - I think its more effective than the minimal amount of proper spraying required (in this country anyhow) for bd certification. - If you are dedicated and organised enough to do the sort of spraying program that Steve Storch talks about on this list, and get it done on extended acreage, thats a different story. See, here again confusion reigns. I agree with all of you that our earth desperately needs healing. Is it possible to use bd on larger operations? I am thinking of use of preps in our compost tea brewing process. We made and put on about 9 gallons of tea this past summer. I feel it could be a wonderful way to address larger operations. Not that I feel large operations are necessarily the correct approach, but to face the facts, that is what is going on in our world. And if there is a way to bring even a fraction of those folks towards healing the soil instead of destroying it, then there has to be someone to help show them that it can work I would be really interested in what you have done along the way as far as conversion goes - what results you got from the compost teas etc Cheers - and keep posting Lloyd Charles
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Sorry if you read me wrong, Jane. My intention was not to chastise you but simply bring you up to date. No emotional energy here. I have total respect for Jean-Paul, which is why I was curious about why he would care about the physcial attributes of the preps. Your remark about 'political bruha' seems to trivialize the actual state of things. It is important to understand that if the USDA says that manure-based compost teas are 'dangerous,' it's not going to be acceptable to the customers of we non-certified organic practitioners to provide them food that 'shit has been sprayed on.' Anyone to steps in the realm of reason in regard to this will really be putting themself in jeopardy should any of their customers become ill for any reason whatsoever after eating a meal containing tea blasted produce. Let me be clear about this, though: the USDA is just discussing the sanctions on tea right now. This is not, as far as I understand, part of the certification rule currently. (Lloyd? Frank?) Ironically, I have been thinking of adding oat straw tea to my daily routine. That and 1m hypericum 3x daily for a few weeks. Thanks for the post, Jane -Allan
Re: What is Magic? is it Jack
Go Go, Jack you are starting. I'm reading and have much to learn. Per Garp/NH - Original Message - From: Jack Wendell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: What is Magic? Hello- I am new here and writing on this site makes my palms sweat, but I would like to say that I came from Nebraska to go to Allan's BD Conference in October. I felt pulled to it from the time I saw it offered in Acres USA and it was wonderful. I come from a checkered past of very conventional production agriculture and until 6 years ago believed this was the only way. When our field no longer grew decent crops even with massive doses of chemical inputs, we began our quest for a better way. It has been the most wonderful and difficult thing I have ever been involved with and we have fought an uphill battle all the way-personally and economically. I personally feel that my brains have been put in a Waring Blender and thoroughly scrambled. Nothing that I believed in belongs anymore. What I find is that I believe with all my heart and soul there is a better way. I am pulled so very hard towards the spirituality and connectedness of the bd concepts. But how to get there?!?!? I came home from the conference and made my own batch of barrel compost. I am on my way out now to our small greenhouse to stir a batch of bc using the preps that I bought at the conference for my own vegetables. Most everyone here thinks I have short circuited somewhere. I guess what I wanted to say here is thank you for all of your thoughts on this site. I feel so strongly that I am supposed to be learning these things. Allan spoke in a recent post about creating sparks from your thoughts and I think you have helped me here. Much goes right over my head, but some I grasp on a deeper level than even I can really understand or explain. I am on a journey to find and support my intuitive nature (which is the real me) and disconnect from the logical side that I have had to learn to function in in my role here. Hard to do.My dream is to be able to bring our farm to a place that you can just feel the positive beautiful growing energy on when you come here. We like to call it regenerational farming. Then to be able to share that with anyone that is interested to help them make changes and avoid some of the mistakes we have made. There isn't much room for mistakes economically any more. Is there a place for bd concepts in larger scale agriculture?? or do those two concepts totally oppose one another? See, here again confusion reigns. I agree with all of you that our earth desperately needs healing. Is it possible to use bd on larger operations? I am thinking of use of preps in our compost tea brewing process. We made and put on about 9 gallons of tea this past summer. I feel it could be a wonderful way to address larger operations. Not that I feel large operations are necessarily the correct approach, but to face the facts, that is what is going on in our world. And if there is a way to bring even a fraction of those folks towards healing the soil instead of destroying it, then there has to be someone to help show them that it can work. Well, once again thank you for your thoughts. I hope the spiritual world understands and helps those that struggle and are confused, because then there is hope for me! Michelle Wendell - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: Re: What is Magic? Have a meeting for farmer on how to organize cooperative markets 2 people will come. Have a class on how to get 2 blades of grass instead of one you had better rent a huge hall. Maybe I missed the point of the above, Markess, but in our area, tell farmers how to make money fast (Joel Salatin, for example) and you'll fill the hall. Offer to tell people how to heal the earth and create foods of higher quality at the same time and very few are interested. Take the BIODYNAMIC CONFERENCE for example: right down the road from the BD Conference were TWO of the most famous organic farms in northern Virginia. Both heavily attended Salatin (i.e. one has 5 interns, the other 14 interns- almost all came for Joel), NONE attended the BD Conference. Like Merla, these folks were offered free passes so there would be no easy excuse to not attend at least portions of the conference. Although they all implied that they would be at the conference (heaven's - they didn't even have to cross the street!), none attended. We had a similar response to the Sustainable Ag video/discussion series. Very few interested in the philosophy and principles behind growing food in cooperation with Nature. A few of the big market people attended one of the presentations, but clearly just so they could find out who I was and what I could do for
FW: [SANET-MG] NOSB minutes on Compost Tea (From JP)
Title: FW: [SANET-MG] NOSB minutes on Compost Tea (From JP) Let's clarify the different kinds of compost tea that you might be concerned with, and ones that you don't need to be concerned with. If I forget a category, or you see the need to split a category, please chime in - First, if you apply tea made from any source more than 90 to 120 days before the crop surface would be consumed, there are no worries. Second, compost tea made from plant-based, no human waste compost. E. coli is not present in the starting materials, not present in the compost. This category should be of no concern to folks with respect to the human pathogen question. Third, compost tea made with food waste material that could have low levels of E. coli. E. coli is fairly easily reduced to non-detectable levels with this type of compost. Testing might be necessary to document that E. coli is not present in the final compost material, and that it is then safe to apply to food plants. Fourth, manure-based tea is what the E. coli concern is all about. We can make compost tea from manure-based compost without any E. coli in the final tea. BUT people also manage to make compost tea from manure-based compost that contains E. coli. The problem becomes, how do you KNOW that you managed to exit the E. coli from the tea? What are the parameters that allow E.coli (and other human pathogens) to be destroyed? We have done it, but now we need to understand what the important factors are in producing these teas routinely. So, that's where the situation is. Don't go ballistic about compost tea in general. But on plants that you eat without washing the surface of the material you are going to consume, stay away from compost tea made with manure-based compost. Elaine Ingham President, Soil Foodweb Inc. www.soilfoodweb.com
Re: Hated Weed
Hi Merla The paramagnetic towers / pipes - definition first - we are talking here about rock that has paramagnetic energy - that is, it will be attracted to a magnet but is not magnetisable - varying degrees of this of course - different from magnetic rock like ironstone which has its own magnetic charge These towers are cheap and easy and I believe would help to lift soil energy in your garden You need a piece of say six inch diameter plastic drain pipe 10 feet long (maybe a bit longer - do you have trouble with fence posts heaving out of the ground in winter - if so you might need to put an extra foot or two in the ground ) it needs to be 8 to 9 feet above ground anyway. You dowse for the most appropriate beneficial intersection of ley lines to put it up. fill with paramagnetic rock, make a domed cap from the same rock and a little cement and put a small quartz crystal up top (optional) Do a chant, or say a prayer, something special when you finish it . I would be interested in making one of these. We stopped at an old quarry site to get the basalt for the BC. Is this the type of rock you're talking about? I bet you doused the rock to see if it was what you wanted? How did you choose the rock dust? I do this scientifically You can self test all your locally available quarry dusts using the following method - it will tell you if any have paramagnetism high enough to be useful - some of the highest paramagnetic tests I have heard of come from Canadian rock I think from the East edge of the Rockies. Woody would probably know where. I think this is a blue granite.Very nice highly energetic material. With the volcanic activity thats been in your part of the country there would be good paramagnetic rock within easy range I am sure. If you want to do some testing yourself here's how 1. get a sample (or a couple of different ones) of paramagneteic rock dust of known cgs and keep for reference, I keep mine in a normal paper envelope.( this bit is helpful but you can skip it and go to part 2) 2. now you need a small (1/2 diameter or smaller) but high quality - strong - magnet - your ordinary fridge magnet type is not good enough (look for the neodimium magnets they sell for taping on your body for aches and pains or something similar) - and suspend the magnet on a piece of cotton about a foot or so long. 3. the magnet will stick to your envelope of paramagnetic material and by moving the cotton away so that you have just enough tension on the cotton to equal the weight of the magnet you find the magnet comes away from the sample at a certain angle depending on the paramagnetic value or strength of the material tested. The reverse of this of course is that a diamagnetic material (lime for instance) should repel the magnet Its a fun thing - but a good enough system to tell if a rock source is worthwhile. Chemistry--I have a soil testing kit with test tubes, but you're way beyond that. Not really! I have meters to test for pH. Ec, redox (ORP). the refractometer, and I have a collection of glass vials with my material samples for the radionic testing. I have spent a lot of time test mixing and observing reactions with the fertiliser materials I use and I did basic chemistry at university recently - enough to be able to know when the local fertiliser salesman is telling me fairy stories. You said Herb used to blow holes in the pavement with his chemistry set when he was a kid - now thats chemistry! How did you make the juicing pliers? Do you have a fax machine ? what number? If not I will post my drawing. Yes, I'm still trying to get Brad to let me buy a refractometer on the grant. Allan Balliet posted a while back saying he has a cheap one that works ok - 60 - 70 dollars US often we can make a foliar mix that will increase brix of the crop and decrease brix of the weeds - that puts the weeds at a competitive disadvantage, the crop outgrows them. I've saved your email on this, but could you repeat this in detail for me? If you are selling certified organic produce there are a few things I use that are not allowable. If on the other hand you grow for your own use only and healthy mineralised food is the aim then I think these things are good. I searched for that old message hoping to save myself some typing - no dice - so here goes lets pretend we are starting from scratch on a conventional farm down the road the first thing I want to do is use a stubble digester on the remainder of last years crop stubble - that would be a microbial brew with some calcium nitrate and molasses so we have some microbial innoculation, some liquid calcium to catalyse the soil calcium, a little bit of nitrate nitrogen and the sugars from molasses as a readily available food source to start the bacteria. Sprayed out on the straw early morning straight after or during some rain - needs moisture - at least a good dew. If you want to stick with biodynamics then barrel compost with two to three litres
FW: reconsidering microwave ovens~more to the story
Title: FW: reconsidering microwave ovens~more to the story (This story forwarded by a friend is apparently from GaryHaygood whos address appears below and was forwarded to my friend by Arnold Gore [Consumers Health Freedom Coalition]. Apparently WBAI (listener sponsored) radio requested permission to use it in their new ecology show.) JS - Subject: FW: Re: Microwaves -- there's much more to the story AG -- From: GaryHaygood [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wanted this info to get to you ASAP so you could evaluate this info for yourself. Please read and throw these ovens outside your house. What some people don't realize is that the radiation continues even if the oven is only plugged in and not necessarily running. I measured mine and there was a minimum of a 6 foot radius out from the oven. Doc Microwave Ovens ... Wave them goodbye? The Proven Dangers of Microwave (Radiation) Ovens Is it possible that millions of people are ignorantly sacrificing their health in exchange for the convenience of microwave ovens? Why did the Soviet Union ban the use of microwave ovens in 1976? Who invented microwave ovens, and why? The answers to these questions may shock you into throwing your microwave oven in the trash. Because microwave ovens are so convenient and energy efficient, as compared to conventional ovens, very few homes or restaurants are without them. In general, people believe that whatever a microwave oven does to foods cannot have a negative effect on the food or the consumer. Of course, if microwave ovens were really harmful, our government would never allow them on the market, would they? While it is obvious that microwave cooking isn't natural, what isn't so obvious is just how dangerous microwaving can be. Over the years, manufacturers, politics, and human nature itself have been guilty of suppressing the facts and evidence behind the danger. Because of this, people are continuing to microwave their food - in blissful ignorance of the effects and dangers. How do microwave ovens work? Microwaves are a form of electromagnetic energy, like light waves or radio waves. The waves are very short micro waves of electromagnetic energy traveling at speeds of 186,282 miles per second. Microwaves are used for cellular telephones (remember hearing cell phones can cause brain tumors?), satellite signals, along with cooking food. Every microwave oven contains a magnetron, a tube in which electrons are affected by magnetic and electric fields in such a way as to produce micro wavelength radiation at about 2450 Mega Hertz (MHz) or 2.45 Giga Hertz (GHz). This microwave radiation interacts with the molecules in food. All wave energy changes polarity from positive to negative with each cycle of the wave. In microwaves, these polarity changes happen millions of times every second. Food molecules - especially the molecules of water - have a positive and negative end in the same way a magnet has a north and a south polarity. In commercial models, the oven has a power input of about 1000 watts of alternating current. As these microwaves generated from the magnetron bombard the food, they cause the polar molecules to rotate at the same frequency millions of times a second. This molecular agitation creates friction, which heats up the food. The friction rips the surrounding molecules apart causing substantial damage and ultimately deforming them. The scientific name for this deformation is structural isomerism. By comparison, microwaves from the sun are based on principles of pulsed direct current (DC) that don't create frictional heat; microwave ovens use alternating current (AC) creating frictional heat. A microwave oven produces a spiked wavelength of energy with all the power going into only one narrow frequency of the energy spectrum. Energy from the sun operates in a wide frequency spectrum. Radiation = spreading energy with electromagnetic waves Radiation, as defined by physics terminology, is the electromagnetic waves emitted by the atoms and molecules of a radioactive substance as a result of nuclear decay. Radiation causes ionization, which is what occurs when a neutral atom gains or loses electrons. In simple terms, microwave ovens change the molecular structure of food with radiation. Had the manufacturers accurately called them radiation ovens, it's doubtful they would have ever sold one, but that's exactly what a microwave oven is. Motherly instincts are right Many of us come from a generation where mothers and grandmothers have distrusted the modern inside out cooking they claimed was not suitable for most foods. My mother refused to even try baking anything in a microwave. She also didn't like the way a cup of coffee tasted when heated in a microwave oven. I have to fully agree and can't argue either fact. Her own common sense and instincts told her that there was no way microwave cooking could be natural nor make
FW: [globalnews] How the Noble Sport of War Becomes the Murder ofInnocents
Title: FW: [globalnews] How the Noble Sport of War Becomes the Murder of Innocents From: http://www.pbs.org/now/commentary/moyers14.html The Costs of War Bill Moyers 18 October, 2002 Iraq is not Vietnam, but war is war. Some of you will recall that I was Press Secretary to Lyndon Johnson during the escalation of war in Vietnam. Like the White House today, we didn't talk very much about what the war would cost. Not in the beginning. We weren't sure, and we didn't really want to know too soon, anyway. If we had to tell Congress and the public the true cost of the war, we were afraid of what it would do to the rest of the budget -- the money for education, poverty, Medicare. In time, we had to figure it out and come clean. It wasn't the price tag that hurt as much as it was the body bag. The dead were coming back in such numbers that LBJ began to grow morose, and sometimes took to bed with the covers pulled above his eyes, as if he could avoid the ghosts of young men marching around in his head. I thought of this the other day, when President Bush spoke of the loss of American lives in Iraq. He said, I'm the one who will have to look the mothers in the eye. LBJ said almost the same thing. No president can help but think of the mothers, widows, and orphans. Mr. Bush is amassing a mighty American armada in the Middle East - incredible firepower. He has to know that even a clean war -- a war fought with laser beams, long range missles, high flying bombers, and remote controls -- can get down and dirty, especially for the other side. We forget there are mothers on the other side. I've often wondered about the mothers of Vietnamese children like this one, burned by American napalm. Or Afghan mothers, whose children were smashed and broken by American bombs. On the NBC Nightly News one evening I saw this exclusive report from Afghanistan -- those little white lights are heat images of people on foot. They're about to be attacked. That fellow running out in the open - were he and the people killed members of Al Qaeda, or just coming to worship? We'll never know. But surely their mothers do. And there will be mothers like them in Iraq. Saddam won't mind - dead or alive; and we won't mind, either. The spoils of victory include amnesia. Ah, the glories of war; the adrenaline that flows to men behind desks at the very thought of the armies that will march, the missiles that will fly, the ships that will sail, on their command. Our Secretary of Defense has a plaque on his desk that says, Aggressive fighting for the right is the noblest sport the world affords. I don't think so. To launch an armada against Hussein's own hostages, a people who have not fired a shot at us in anger, seems a crude and poor alternative to shrewd, disciplined diplomacy. Don't get me wrong. Vietnam didn't make me a dove; it made me read the Constitution. That's all. Government's first obligation is to defend its citizens. There's nothing in the Constitution that says it's permissible for a great nation to go hunting for Hussein by killing the people he holds hostage, his own people, who have no choice in the matter, who have done us no harm. Unprovoked, the noble sport of war becomes the murder of the innocent. This is also available from: http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/11.10C.moyers.war.htm -- Be the change you want to see in the world. --Gandhi
FW: Atrazine Poisoning Worse Than Suspected
The Institute of Science in Society Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk General Enquiries [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website/Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISIS Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Atrazine Poisoning Worse Than Suspected * Controversy erupted over new findings that atrazine may be linked to global demise of frogs. Prof. Joe Cummins and Dr. Mae-Wan Ho review the evidence on the endocrine-disrupting and carcinogenic effects of atrazine, especially in the light of the non-linearity of biological activities, and call for a global ban of the herbicide. If you wish to see the complete document [ http://www.i-sis.org.uk/full/atrazineFull.php ] with references, please consider becoming a member or friend of ISIS. Full details here [ http://www.i-sis.org.uk/membership.php ] Atrazine is an herbicide registered in the United States for the control of broadleaf weeds and some grassy weeds. It is currently used on corn, sorghum, sugarcane, wheat (to get rid of wheat stubble on fallow land following wheat harvests; wheat is not the target crop), guava, macadamia nuts, orchard grass and hay, range grasses, and southern turf grasses. Atrazine is most widely used on corn followed by sorghum and sugarcane. Atrazine is registered for use on range grasses for establishing permanent grass cover on rangelands and pastures under the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) in four states: Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, and Oregon. The CRP is administered by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA). There are prohibitions against grazing on these CRP lands, and cutting the grasses for hay, except in national emergencies, such as severe drought, and there are right-of-way uses with grazing restrictions. Atrazine is also registered for use on the following non-agricultural sites: lawns, golf courses, and sod farms. Worlwide, atrazine is a leading agricultural chemical, and so extensively used that it has been identified as a significant pollutant in surface water, groundwater, in offshore areas and in the atmosphere. Atrazine acts by inhibiting photosynthesis. Many atrazine-tolerant mutations have begun to appear in weeds, and this tolerance is predominantly based on detoxifying atrazine by binding it to glutathione, a mechanism in naturally atrazine-tolerant corn. Efforts have been made to select or produce atrazine-tolerant mutants crops such as soybean that is otherwise difficult to rotate with atrazine-treated corn or potato. Most of the crop-plant mutants had impaired productivity, but in potato, an atrazine-binding photosynthetic protein is mutated, and this makes it tolerant to the herbicide without impaired productivity. Transgenic potato containing a complex of human cytochrome p450 genes was found to be tolerant to atrazine, and was proposed for phytoremediation of chemically polluted croplands. Unfortunately, the cytochrome p450 enzymes are very important in metabolism of man-made chemicals, they both inactivate many carcinogens, and in some instances, activate pollutants to form carcinogens. Atrazine is used worldwide, but its continued application is hampered by appearance of atrazine-tolerant weeds. Atrazine was in the news recently in connection with the global demise of frogs. Frogs were reported to be demasculinized or became hermaphrodite after being exposed at low ecologically relevant doses of the herbicide in the laboratory. Levels as low as 0.1 parts per billion atrazine induced hermaphroditism. This was confirmed by fuller ecological evidence that atrazine is associated with hermaphroditism in frogs at levels an order of magnitude below the currently accepted standard. Those findings were criticized on several grounds, but mainly on the basis that very low levels of atrazine produced a stronger impact than levels 250 times higher, and that the low levels of atrazine did not induce the cytochrome p450 enzyme aromatase. Such criticism is significant, but should be considered in the light that endocrine disrupting chemicals often have more marked effect at lower doses, and the enzyme aromatase, though important in producing the feminizing hormone estrogen, shows complex cellular patterns of activation in animals exposed to feminizing pollutants. The endocrine-disrupting effects of atrazine are not restricted to frogs. Atrazine reduced olfactory-mediated endocrine functions in salmon at levels commonly observed in polluted water. And it was found to inhibit testosterone production in prepubertal rats. The impact of atrazine on endocrine disruption is very serious. A study of aquatic ecosystems concluded that a single universal maximum on atrazine in catchments does not provide adequate environmental protection, and suggests flexible limits be set. However, it may be far more reasonable to discuss eliminating further atrazine input into the aquatic environment altogether. Another important factor that
Hated weed
Amanda thought to herself, This is a method I can well use in my garden and on the right-of-way. Andrew, can you show me your test plots that you put the foliar sprays on and how to extract juice from a plant and encourage the veggies and discourage the weeds? How did you make your juicing pliers? She remembered the second year of her first weed grant, how she'd struggled with those test plots trying to find something that worked. The third year she had needed a way to evaluate the plots besides just counting weeds, and a way to tell right away if a foliar spray was right. And she had wanted to make a Lovel field broadcaster that year too. These guys in Australia are way ahead of the Americans on radionics. Our laws discourage creativity and hog-tie us. She thought about the piece she had written to be published in the Bonner County Daily Bee... TO ORGANIC HOMEOWNERS I'm writing this on my own, not as a member of the Weed Committee. She'd had a lot of calls about that letter...Andrew had gone on ahead and she started after him at a fast trot... Andrew came out of the garden shed with a plastic bucket that had four squirt bottles hanging over the edge and a square metal hoop a yard across, the refractometer was in his pocket and pliers under his feet as they drove back down the lane. They walked out about fifty yards into the crop and he placed the square of metal down, aligned with the seeder rows, took out a spray bottle labeled no 1, shook it and after clearing the nozzle into the ground, gave ten quick squirts evenly across the area inside the metal hoop. See my field sprayer puts on 50 litres per hectare, the square is a square meter, and I've calibrated these bottle sprayers to give 50 litres /ha with ten squirts. He marked the plot with his boot heel then moved several yards along the seeder row and repeated the spraying got to have some room between plots so we dont get overspray effects. repeated again until all four bottles had been sprayed and the plots marked, the bucket was left with a couple of rocks in the bottom to mark the patch. As they walked back out to the car she asked what happens with the spray plots We go have a look at a broadcaster pipe, by the time we do that and get back here we should see something happening - 45 minutes or so is usually long enough The next paddock along was crop also but this time they drove in along a track by the creek to the middle of the paddock where a broadcaster pipe poked skywards. Its a little different to the one I saw at the BD conference she was looking quite intently at the top half what do you see? Oh My! its like a halo - goes out quite a ways - I see colours too - is that right ? she is a little in awe. H I cant see it but the halo will show on a polaroid photo - I see a shimmer about an inch out from the pipe - sometimes wonder if its just heat haze he stoops and removes the bottom well cap, carefully taking out some small vials with a pair of plastic tweezers - these are the perfume bottles she'd seen earlier in the workroom - filled with a clear liquid and labelled. Earth energy preps he explains BC, 500, 2,3,4,5,and the winter horn clay for balance, also got some stuff in for detoxing herbicides, a map to tell it where to broadcast and 'me little prayer of intent -- including for the good of all and the detriment of no one -most important to always say that. He replaces the reagents and map, closes the well, I built it pretty close to Hugh Lovel's specs, but I put these angled well jar tees in cause I use liquid in the vials and occasionally they will blow the lids off in the heat, it saves trouble cleaning up. Amanda looks a little puzzled You must have studied this for many years to have got this far with it No , not really, I was lucky I got pointed in the right direction, but I'm observant and I saw results early on so I've kept at it - but the BD and broadcasting is only part of the deal - you know - you have to have basic minerals in place or the whole thing crashes - we spread a bit of rock dust - we put out some lime - we use a non acid fertiliser on our crops - we put out deficient trace minerals with that - zinc, copper, molybdenum, boron - we use fish, seaweed, humic acid and molasses - we dont use big licks of anything and I think we're lucky this is such a stoney farm - its an awful trouble working some of it but we have all that parent material to break down still. As the BD and microbial activity gets going I expect we'll be able to cut back a lot on those things but its unrealistic to expect to be able to eliminate inputs and keep sending produce out the gate Hey enough of the sermon , lets go see what happened with the test plots Back at the test site she is surprised how quickly the work proceeds . He plucks a thimble full of leaves from plants at random, (from the same leaf position on each plant she notices) rolls them up, thumb pushes down into the juicing
Re: What is Magic?/Making Money
Dear Allan, Your point is taken seriously by me. I got into farming because I wanted highest quality and I could see no one was into it. I want to make money but I didn't put it first. Nevertheless since my premise was to make my farming pay its own way as proof of its efficacy, money was high on my list. Still quality was first and I would have done alm0ost anything to achieve it. Paradoxically what I have found is that producing highest quality requires ceasing all bought inputs. Highest quality requires using the CHEAPEST of all methods, no fertility/disease (outside of my field broadcaster) inputs. With a field broadcaster one can produce food cheaper than any other method, because inputs are so much lower than any other method. Likewise with rain. Irrigation costs money, and the water quality never measures up to fresh rain. I've used my irrigation once in the past 13 years and that was 8 years ago. I've found that making rain is so cheap, practical and reliable that I will never go back to irrigation ever again. Why should I? Well, I personally WOULD irrigate if it produced higher quality, because I'm all about quality. But it does not, never has and cannot. Heck, I'd use muriate of potash if it produced quality, but it is ALWAYS a shot in the foot. The only way to get the highest quality is to get rain, and it is CHEAP! Radionic rain making amounts to doing almost nothing, and almost nothing is cheaper or more productive. So I pass the ball back to you and invite you to brainstorm with me how do I make this real to farmers? I guarantee they will make more money doing things the way I teach. How do I get the word out? Best, Hugh Lovel Have a meeting for farmer on how to organize cooperative markets 2 people will come. Have a class on how to get 2 blades of grass instead of one you had better rent a huge hall. Maybe I missed the point of the above, Markess, but in our area, tell farmers how to make money fast (Joel Salatin, for example) and you'll fill the hall. Offer to tell people how to heal the earth and create foods of higher quality at the same time and very few are interested. Take the BIODYNAMIC CONFERENCE for example: right down the road from the BD Conference were TWO of the most famous organic farms in northern Virginia. Both heavily attended Salatin (i.e. one has 5 interns, the other 14 interns- almost all came for Joel), NONE attended the BD Conference. Like Merla, these folks were offered free passes so there would be no easy excuse to not attend at least portions of the conference. Although they all implied that they would be at the conference (heaven's - they didn't even have to cross the street!), none attended. We had a similar response to the Sustainable Ag video/discussion series. Very few interested in the philosophy and principles behind growing food in cooperation with Nature. A few of the big market people attended one of the presentations, but clearly just so they could find out who I was and what I could do for them in the short run. We got excellent exposure to the local farm community for all of these events. We have a N. VA farmer's discussion list, to which invitations and reminders were posted. I know the big mouths in local fruit and vegetable growing. No one attended, although the head of the market did make a reservation but eventually backed out. I'm talking market gardeners in the US' 3rd richest county. Little interest in a larger crop. Little interest in better produce but a lot of interest in selling more at better prices. My remarks above are in no way intended to malign Joel Salatin. His is the great synthesis: a way of farming that makes the land better and makes people more healthy while making more money for the farmer in a 9month work year. Catch him at ACRES this year, if you can. Later -Allan Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Dear Allan, Sounds as if there may be a case for the use of radionically potentised preps in America if the USDA persists with the compost tea regulations. What is the use of 3x Hypericum on your crops. It is trying to rain here today so we will keep our fingers crossed. Regards from the Land of the Wizards of Oz. James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps Sorry if you read me wrong, Jane. My intention was not to chastise you but simply bring you up to date. No emotional energy here. I have total respect for Jean-Paul, which is why I was curious about why he would care about the physcial attributes of the preps. Your remark about 'political bruha' seems to trivialize the actual state of things. It is important to understand that if the USDA says that manure-based compost teas are 'dangerous,' it's not going to be acceptable to the customers of we non-certified organic practitioners to provide them food that 'shit has been sprayed on.' Anyone to steps in the realm of reason in regard to this will really be putting themself in jeopardy should any of their customers become ill for any reason whatsoever after eating a meal containing tea blasted produce. Let me be clear about this, though: the USDA is just discussing the sanctions on tea right now. This is not, as far as I understand, part of the certification rule currently. (Lloyd? Frank?) Ironically, I have been thinking of adding oat straw tea to my daily routine. That and 1m hypericum 3x daily for a few weeks. Thanks for the post, Jane -Allan
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps Allan - Dont forget I'm an aussie so just watching this unfold from the sidelines at this stage but was after clarification as to whether this was being treated as a food safety issue - across the board - or as a certification issue - a rule for organic producers. My feeling is that the people driving this will go the food safety route because conventional farmers using teas are the real worry to the chemical companies,they dont stand to loose much more money on the organic side. And yes it will affect us in time - if you guys loose we will follow suit no questions asked. It is important to understand that if the USDA says that manure-based compost teas are 'dangerous,' it's not going to be acceptable to the customers of we non-certified organic practitioners to provide them food that 'shit has been sprayed on.' Anyone to steps in the realm of reason in regard to this will really be putting themself in jeopardy should any of their customers become ill for any reason whatsoever after eating a meal containing tea blasted produce. And if they scratched their backside and dont wash their hands, or if they run three huge stinking dogs in the house and get sick after eating your produce you are still in trouble! Let me be clear about this, though: the USDA is just discussing the sanctions on tea right now. This is not, as far as I understand, part of the certification rule currently. (Lloyd? Frank?) Keep us posted please Lloyd Charles
FW: News Flash: more on Lutefisk
Title: FW: News Flash: more on Lutefisk Subject: News Flash Here's the latest news out of Washington ... The Bush administration announced today it will seek congressional approval and United Nations backing for a pre-emptive attack on Norway. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters the CIA has learned that Norway has been stockpiling a weapon of mass destruction, a mysterious substance called lutefisk. As we understand it, Norway has been preparing this material in barrels filled with lye and storing it in stockpiles throughout the country both in urban and rural settings, said Condoleeza Wild Rice, national security adviser. Secretary of State Colin Powell said President Bush will address the United Nations next week, laying down conditions that must be met by the Scandinavian country to avoid a pre-emptive attack, possibly before the Christmas holidays. This is simply an extension of the Bush Doctrine, in which it is the policy of the U.S. to identify threats around the globe and get them before they get us, Powell said. Lutefisk is a substance virtually unheard of in Washington and on the Eastern Seaboard, but is said to be common in certain parts of the Midwest. The FBI branch office in Minneapolis has been alerted to watch for signs of lutefisk production in that region. In Oslo, Norwegian Foreign Minister Trigve Trondheim was defiant upon hearing of the threatened attack by the United States unless Norway agrees to allow U.N. inspectors free reign throughout the country. There is certainly no need to allow inspectors into King Harald's palace or country estates, Trondheim asserted. Why would we hide lutefisk there? he asked, shifting his eyes. Experts on the substance disagree on its volatility but most admit it can have widespread deleterious effects on entire populations exposed to it. The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta acknowledged it is playing catch-up ball where lutefisk is concerned, but CDA director Dr. Ralph Macabre warned that any substance stored in lye should be regarded as extremely dangerous. In a brief statement yesterday in the White House Rose Garden, President George W. Bush asserted that the United States will never stand idly by when substances of potential mass destruction are being produced anywhere. These evildoers are bent on infecting the entire U.S. population with this dangerous substance, the president said. Unless United Nations inspectors are allowed to determine the extent of lutefisk production in Norway, it is my duty as commander-in-chief of the armed forces to send our brave servicemen and women to Norway to root out sources of lutefisk and destroy them. Bush said any attack must take place before the Christmas holiday season when the threat is greatest. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, when asked about the peril, said, Where's Norway? Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota noted he is from a part of the country where lutefisk infestations have broken out in the past, often in December. We've got to act fast, Daschle told reporters, or millions of Americans could suffer. Meanwhile, the government was preparing to upgrade its fruitcake warning to code orange
Re: Bowling for BioDynamics
Dear Hugh, At 08:36 PM 11/10/2002, you wrote: Do you have a clue on how to sell this? God bless you if you do. We need a good salesman. And where, if it WAS you in Waynesville, you didn't sell me, that's no invalidation. It is an odd coincidence to see the name Waynesville, NC on this list at this time. I have been invited to Waynesville to give a lecture and workshop on ORMUS. I will be bringing one of the giant walnuts grown on a tree which was given ocean water ORMUS precipitate and I will be sporting my new darker beard from the ORMUS copper. The main theme of my talk with be an explanation of ORMUS theory about how resonances (like biodynamic and homeopathic resonances) are propagated by the ORMUS elements. Here are the specifics of my Waynesville presentations: Thursday, November 21 - Introductory lecture - 7:00 - 9:00 p.m., Human Dimensions Institute, Seven Springs Center, #770 Shelton Cove Rd., Waynesville, NC, $10 donation. Saturday, November 23 - Workshop - 10:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. (with a break for lunch), Human Dimensions Institute, Seven Springs Center, #770 Shelton Cove Rd., Waynesville, NC, Cost: $45 if prepaid $50 at the door. Lodging is available ($40-$75), For more information, pre-payment or reservations call Mary at 828-926-1511 or 800-714-1397 or call ParamDevi at 828-235-1397. Mary's email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ParamDevi's email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunday, November 17 - Introductory lecture - 2:00 - 4:00 p.m. Coolfont Resort, Berkeley Springs, West Virginia. This lecture is free. Monday, November 18 - Workshop - 9:30 - 4:30 p.m., Coolfont Resort, Berkeley Springs, West Virginia. Cost $50 with pre-registration or $60 at the door. Lodging is available, For more information or reservations, call Coolfont and talk with Mara at 304-258-6941. You can find directions to Coolfont Resort on their web site at: http://www.coolfont.com/directions.asp I would like to invite the folks on this list to attend one or more of these presentations as they will be a great way for us to get better acquainted and to establish local circles of folks who are interested in working with and using the ORMUS materials in agriculture and as mineral supplements. -- With kindest regards, Barry Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2319 Balm Baker City, Oregon 97814 Phone: 541-523-3357 Web Pages: Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/whatisit.htm We must either let the Law of Love rule us through and through or not at all. Love among ourselves based on hatred of others breaks down under the slightest pressure. The fact is such love is never real love. It is an armed peace. And so it will be in this great movement in the West against war. War will only be stopped when the conscience of mankind has become sufficiently elevated to recognize the undisputed supremacy of the Law of Love in all the walks of life. Some say this will never come to pass. I shall retain the faith till the end of my earthly existence that this shall come to pass . . . --Mahatma Gandhi--
