Re: 9/11 conspiracy \ Helliwell
Thanks, Steve, for answering my query. I thought maybe there was a Tanis Helliwell connection in what you wrote below about Van Gogh. I'd heard that this book refers to Steiner. However, having just read Helliwell's Summer with the Leprecauns (passage where leprecaun meets Steiner is on pp. 82-87), I feel that the phrase as per Steiner's instructions you use below must be qualified. The leprecaun tells Helliwell that he'd met a human in his realm who'd told him I've been talking with your elder scholars about getting together a group of elementals from all castes to work with humans. We are looking for ones who think for themselves and have curiosity and courage. Interested? At the end of the passage and chapter, the author calls to the leprecaun as he is disappearing in that scene Who was the human you met almost a hundred years ago?--Steiner. Rudolph Steiner, came the faint echo. That is the only reference to Steiner in the book. The Steiner-character gives no instructions to the elemental Kingdom in the book, as might be construed from the remarks below. You do preface your remark saying Heliwell, who claims to have communion with the elemental kingdom... She has elementals working as humans (eg Van Gogh) and humans working with elementals (eg herself). I get the inkling she may have heard of Rudolph via Jean Houston's work (she is one of the people acknowledged as having helped bring the book to fruition, but I am unfamiliar with any particulars of Houston's work myself) or some other secondary source. The leprecaun told Helliwell about Van Gogh. The leprecaun also takes Philippine psychic surgeons at face value (p.45). Certainly we work with the elementals. Indeed, Hugh Courtney's theme in this weekend's Biodynamic Conference was our aiding the awareness of the Christ in the realms of subnature through the use of the preps. Not to put you on the defensive, Steve, but for the sake of clarity, I just want to be sure that all understand that the above, and what is referred to below, comes strictly from Helliwell, not Steiner. ___ Barry Lia \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Seattle WA On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:15:30 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: face in the Sun. Van Gogh was an advanced being, a high level elemental incarnated in human form, he was experiencing the future, just look at his paintings. Well, in publications of Van Gogh's letters he spoke of this, I would have to research the particular letter for an exact date. In the Podolensky lectures he speaks of the way Van Gogh drew his plants, that they look like they are biodynamically grown. And Tanis Heliwell, who claims to have communion with the elemental kingdom, said that she has been told that Van Gogh was such, a high level elemental taken Human form, as per Steiner's instructions to the elemental Kingdom due to human neglect, so they may continue their evolution. The future; Christ in the etheric, look at his paintings, then lets talk again...SStorch
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In a message dated 11/12/02 1:46:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: face in the Sun. Van Gogh was an advanced being, a high level elemental incarnated in human form, he was experiencing the future, just look at his paintings. Well, in publications of Van Gogh's letters he spoke of this, I would have to research the particular letter for an exact date. In the Podolensky lectures he speaks of the way Van Gogh drew his plants, that they look like they are biodynamically grown. And Tanis Heliwell, who claims to have communion with the elemental kingdom, said that she has been told that Van Gogh was such, a high level elemental taken Human form, as per Steiner's instructions to the elemental Kingdom due to human neglect, so they may continue their evolution. The future; Christ in the etheric, look at his paintings, then lets talk again...SStorch
love fear (was 9/11 conspiracy)
So now we are living in a time when we must create love, it is no longer given. We must develope this ability quickly. We must counter the corporate domintion of our lives through our creation of love and we can enjoy this, a new paradigm. These energies are real and present. The use of genetic engineering is on the brink of dominating our food system and our childrens diets. The womb is at risk of becoming an inaequate place to raise a fetus to birth into the world. But we shall overcome this through our creation of love. (S Storch) Michael Moore's movie Bowling for Columbine has touch a nerve. It gives voice to the total irrationality of the gun culture and its source the pervasive degree of fear that American society is uniquely suffused with. Moore's says that the underlying reason is the racism that still exists in our society. This is the love of nationalism, blood love, a form of love no longer needed in the world. It is in the melting pot of America that this now destructive form of love is being worked through and hopefully left behind. If we are to 'overcome through our love of creation' it seems to me we will need to be able to grieve deeply. Giving voice to the injustices, and the doom and destruction all around us isn't contributing to the 'negative vibes' but part of our necessary process of grieving. There isn't a day that goes by without my heart being heavy with the loss of life somewhere. Developing the capacity to allow all the suffering to come in isn't easy. Robert Sardello has been a voice in the wilderness for me. From his book Freeing the Soul From Fear: ...if you've grieved, some very interesting things occur. Grieving is a complete bodily phenomenon. It is not the same thing as sadness or depression. Every cell of your body cries out in pain. Partly that is a purification of soul life that makes possible the making of the soul as a vessel that can be radically receptive. That can only come about by taking in the suffering of all our fellow human beings. When we go that deeply into grieving there is this amazing, paradoxical phenomenon that all of the world suddenly becomes alive. The flowers are vivid, the sky is vivid. That's a kind of turnaround of soul life where soul is now open It is a task in which it may look like everything around us is breaking apart,but I don't think that's what is happening. What is happening is this movement toward developing the capacity to learn how to create love in the world.
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Dear Ron, Wow! Hugh So now we are living in a time when we must create love, it is no longer given. We must develope this ability quickly. We must counter the corporate domintion of our lives through our creation of love and we can enjoy this, a new paradigm. These energies are real and present. The use of genetic engineering is on the brink of dominating our food system and our childrens diets. The womb is at risk of becoming an inaequate place to raise a fetus to birth into the world. But we shall overcome this through our creation of love. (S Storch) Michael Moore's movie Bowling for Columbine has touch a nerve. It gives voice to the total irrationality of the gun culture and its source the pervasive degree of fear that American society is uniquely suffused with. Moore's says that the underlying reason is the racism that still exists in our society. This is the love of nationalism, blood love, a form of love no longer needed in the world. It is in the melting pot of America that this now destructive form of love is being worked through and hopefully left behind. If we are to 'overcome through our love of creation' it seems to me we will need to be able to grieve deeply. Giving voice to the injustices, and the doom and destruction all around us isn't contributing to the 'negative vibes' but part of our necessary process of grieving. There isn't a day that goes by without my heart being heavy with the loss of life somewhere. Developing the capacity to allow all the suffering to come in isn't easy. Robert Sardello has been a voice in the wilderness for me. From his book Freeing the Soul From Fear: ...if you've grieved, some very interesting things occur. Grieving is a complete bodily phenomenon. It is not the same thing as sadness or depression. Every cell of your body cries out in pain. Partly that is a purification of soul life that makes possible the making of the soul as a vessel that can be radically receptive. That can only come about by taking in the suffering of all our fellow human beings. When we go that deeply into grieving there is this amazing, paradoxical phenomenon that all of the world suddenly becomes alive. The flowers are vivid, the sky is vivid. That's a kind of turnaround of soul life where soul is now open It is a task in which it may look like everything around us is breaking apart,but I don't think that's what is happening. What is happening is this movement toward developing the capacity to learn how to create love in the world. Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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Steve-the Christ has already incarnated in the etheric. RS has told in various lectures that in this, our present time the Christ will incarnate in the etheric realm. When Van Gogh was painting his heart and soul on the canvas he wrote in some letters that he could see Christ's face in the Sun. Van Gogh was an advanced being, a high level elemental incarnated in human form, he was experiencing the future, just look at his paintings. RS also predicted that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will occur within this millennium. We are preparing for that now. Just FEEL all the increased fear (Ahriman's weapon) that has been created since 9/11. Michael
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Dear Storch, Very good, very apropos. You got the message I intended, for sure. Best, Hugh Goethe once said that the weaknesses of any age exist only for the faint-hearted. Certainly we have all fallen into the trap of feeling sorry for ourselves and not bucking up to our responsibilities, God, is that easy. Our work on the land using the biodynamic remedies has far reaching effects that extend down into the earth's core from the elemental kingdom to the far reaches of the heavens, preparing the earth for the time when it shall become a shining star in the heavens and the spirit homeland for the Christ. RS has told in various lectures that in this, our present time the Christ will incarnate in the etheric realm. When Van Gogh was painting his heart and soul on the canvas he wrote in some letters that he could see Christ's face in the Sun. Van Gogh was an advanced being, a high level elemental incarnated in human form, he was experiencing the future, just look at his paintings. RS left us many things for the practical day to day healing of humanity and the healing of the earth. Central to all of his impulses was the Christ, and he has given us the tools to enhance and prepare and create and enjoy. The age of consciousness soul, what a beautiful thing. We have been told that through this time humans will be soon giving birth through our larynx. We already have so much power through the spoken word and we do not take proper caution nor advantage of this energy. So now we are living in a time when we must create love, it is no longer given. We must develope this ability quickly. We must counter the corporate domintion of our lives through our creation of love and we can enjoy this, a new paradigm. These energies are real and present. The use of genetic engineering is on the brink of dominating our food system and our childrens diets. The womb is at risk of becoming an inaequate place to raise a fetus to birth into the world. But we shall overcome this through our creation of love. All those using the biodynamic remedies are setting the stage for this new world order. An order founded on love and powerful human intentionality. When the remedies are stirred and your intention is placed into the water and applied to the land there is an unstoppable force of love being broadcast out to the ethers. Christ in the etheric; places so energized are linking up in the ether and connecting all over the planet. I have seen places sprayed only once instantly transform. So, our time has come. Let's not forget why we are here. Let's do our work and heal the earth and heal humanity through biodynamics and associative economics. It is through this work that we may evolve spiritually and incarnate as angels when the task is accomplished...SStorch Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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John - no offence taken: I can well understand your attitude in the midst of supposed conspiracies which are both confusing and threatening. Tony N-S. From: John Buckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 9/11 conspiracy Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:47:16 -0500 Tony ... I re-read what I sent earlier and I apologize. My words show the cynicism that most Americans proffer. It shows our maturing into a protective zone that acknowledges how dangerous the truth really is. Our cynicism has emasculated us. I take your question as honest and I responded dishonestly. I meant no disrespect. It's just that here we all know the nature of the game. I know this Gordian Knot of life in America can be undone, and the first step is embracing an honesty, an integrity, that we can embrace starting now. John Buckley mountains of North Carolina _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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In our work and in the process of Love we must not fear and condemn the Luciferic and Ahrimanic streams. Through our recognition and Love of these consciousnesses we will redeem them and save them from themselves and in turn they may offer up their service to humanity in a new and positive manner. By running away from these beings we make hippocrits of ourselves because we pick and choose which of their contributions to society we would like to embrace. Remember the story of Christ's temptation by Lucifer; upon being recognized by Christ, Lucifer had to run away. So, it is now our task to redeem these beings through Love and Conscious Soul, language and intent. Think of it as a new trinity, Christ, Lucifer, Ahriman. Let these streams of consciousness be embraced by beings of light instead of the dark forces and see the difference...sstorch
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Dear Ones, I am new to the whole listserve, but not to spiritual science. I wrote a long response to this the other evening after I returned from the Josephine Porter Institute, and it vaporized off my screen, well here goes again, lets see what comes... Humanity has crossed the Threshold into the Age of the Consciousness Soul. That means us. It is easy to slam the polititians, to point the attention at the Multi-nationals. and talk about sustainability, etc, or why isn't BD more "seen" in the world, any number of gripes and assessments. When we do this, unseen forces are able to utilize our 'juices' for the emergence of Materialism further into the Earths being. Rudolf Steiner gave a plan for the antecdote to this reality. Associative Economics. It has gone un-done. Yet there are individuals working diligently to sort this through for all our benefit, of which, in Freedom we can come to practice and implement. The ways I expereince the build up of these adversarial forces is any time I judge, assess, perpetrate, victimize, behave as if I am a victim, anything that smacks of any of these behaviors, leaves out the possibility of LOVE in the (world). I am not talking of some warm fuzzy. Spiritual Science speaks to that now Love is no longer a given, it must be created, created by us, Human Beings here on the Earth. How is Love created? Attention, interest, warmth, investment. In the OTHER. I work for you. I labor for you. Work to Create Peace and Love for us all, Jane Parker
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Dear Jane, I've been down al lot of hard roads--that I put myself down and I'm not complaining about. I can't think of anyone, Richard Nixon or Josef Stalin that I wouldn't talk civilly to or give a free meal to, and I've been in jails, prisons, projects and wilds with some real psychos like I hope you have no need to meet. There's a real guardian angel over me or I wouldn't be here at all. I got disillioned with flag waving during Viet Nam--stupid me, I volunteered! That was an awakening! Set me really looking for the things you're talking about. I was putting forward what I remember of history and what I see of the present with a few percent speculation about the recent past and immediate future in the hopes others would get as disillusioned as I was back in Viet Nam times and opt out of that old world order into the kind of world you're talking about. You? You don't need it. You've already woke up. Good head on your shoulders, good ideas. But I hope we pull more folks off that freight train to hell, and pretending to wave my flag doesn't entertain me. I think George Bush is in a very tight place. I imagine he's trying to make the best out of what mistakes his father and others before him made. I'm waiting to see what he knows about how to do that. While I think he'd be better being up-front about things, I don't imagine it will work that way. But he may be getting it all out into view anyway. I have no way to tell. I'm in no position to judge. The best I can do is see how it all comes out in the end. Seems like it will be interesting. I put what I did on the list because I don't close my eyes and cower, but prefer to keep my eyes open and try to be calm and above all, non-judgmental. I told you who I would vote for and what I think will help, but I'm not trying to slam ANYONE. I probably do that sometimes when I'm too unconscious. I've been up all night writing on a manual abaout making rain, and now must pick for my CSA. Here's a bit of what I was laboring so hard at. Writing is work. I don't think I've met you before, have I? Best, Hugh Lovel The Elements Just how is nature organized? The ancients called the elements fire, air, water and earth. But, I'd better be clear what I mean by element. There might be some confusion between the four elements of classical thinking and the hundred plus elements of the periodic table. Sulfur is what we commonly associate with fire. If you want a fire, strike a sulfur match. With air we think of nitrogen as nitrogen in its pure form is the main component of air. With water we associate hydrogen, which comes from the Greek word for it. In German it is Wasserstoff, the stuff of water). Finally carbon, the basis of life, is associated with the earth. Carbon forms the hardest of all minerals, diamond. I could compare earth, water, air and fire to what is known as the solid, liquid, gaseous and radiant states of matter. It is an obvious basis of comparison, but the word element here refers to more than state. Each of the elements has a specific character associated with its state, namely the characters of sulfur, nitrogen, hydrogen and carbon. Then there is ether. Ether is what enlivens each of the physical elements. In India the four physical elements are associated with the four fingers of the hand while the thumb represents the ether. It is the agency of organization. If we associate ether with oxygen, we then have what we might call the five sisters, oxygen, sulfur, nitrogen, hydrogen and carbon, which along with a handful of minerals form our physical bodies. In agriculture, in at least in quantum agriculture, these five are usually free for the taking from the environment. It is not normal to have to buy them. Normally, the best things in life are free. The fact that so much of modern agriculture applies so much salt nitrogen-and pays good money for it-is an indication of how badly deranged it is. Four Ethers Because the principle of organization, the ether, works differently with each element, we can say we have four ethers. With the four elements we have something substantial that we can measure. But with the corresponding four ethers all we have is an organizational principle that indirectly shows its effects in the way organization arises. The organizational principle for fire is warmth. There is little difference between warmth and fire, as they go hand in hand. If you just had sulfur by itself you would not have fire. But when sulfur combines with oxygen, fire and warmth occur. We might place sulfur is on the fire side of the substance/ether divide and oxygen on the warmth side. For the air to give life it must have oxygen too, albeit that in the air it is inactive, just as the nitrogen is inactive. With air we have a level of greater density where the organizational principle is light. Air is the perfect medium for conducting light, and light goes with air hand in glove. Then with water we have an even denser level. Though light
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Dear Friends, Here is a post I just sent to the Oxyplus email list which is also apropos to this discussion: You are all describing much the same thing from different viewpoints. I am particular fond of Nina's description [see below] which uses concepts of frequency medicine to describe how we set up resonances which attract the things we belive strongly in. I would like to add to what Nina wrote. It is very important here to make the distinction between wanting pain and choosing pain. When I drop a glass of water and then cut myself while picking up the pieces of glass I would not say that I wanted to cut myself but I would say that the cut was clearly a consequence of my choice to pick up the glass with my bare fingers. A smoker may continue to smoke despite the knowledge that smoking often has lung disease as a consequence. I would not say that the smoker wants lung cancer but if lung cancer happened to the smoker it would be clear that his or her actions brought about favorable conditions for lung cancer. Every worldview that I know of has several sayings which express this. In the Christian worldview we have statements like: He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Judge not lest you be judged. In the scientific world view we have: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In the modern business worldview there is: What goes around comes around. You get what you pay for. Hindu's speak of the law of karma; Buddhists say the cause of suffering is addiction. Nina used the term resonance. I really like this term too. Imagine that you have two dinner bells hanging on your front porch. One bell is the love bell and the other bell is the fear bell. The love bell is tuned to the frequency of love and every harmonic of love. The fear bell is tuned to fear and the harmonics of fear. Some of the harmonics of love are abundance, happiness, connection, knowledge, synchronicity, prayer and community. Some of the harmonics of fear are hatred, anger, disaster, pain, judgement and violence. Each of these bells calls those things which resonate with it in for dinner. When we ring the love bell we call in those things which resonate with love. When we ring the fear bell we call those things which resonate with fear to dinner. Each of us has the power to see which bell we spend the most time with. What has come to dinner is a clue to which bell we spend our time ringing. This clue; this knowledge gives us the personal power to change unpleasant conditions in our own lives. If we were helpless victims of circumstances beyond our control then we would not have the power to change our circumstances of our lives. Pain can inform and improve our decisions. When I jumped off the swing as a child the pain of landing taught me not to jump from a second story balcony. The structures around us want us to depend on them. Corporate medicine encourages our dependence. Corporate agriculture does the same. We can all think of examples of this from this forum. If a structure becomes our sole source of supply for something we need, we will tend to support that structure despite other things it does that we don't like. When we have given a structure such power over us, that structure will encourage our belief that we are helpless victims of circumstances beyond our control so that they can sell us a method of limited control at a price. If I do not believe that my health is under my control then I will buy health insurance to insure some modicum of control over my health. Dr. Emoto has published pictures of the structural changes that prayer makes in ice crystals. Stephen has described some of the ways he has used to increase his love resonance and these are effective techniques. There are many more techniques to do this. These techniques are described in almost every world religion and worldview. We all know that there is a psychological component to disease. We have all heard stories of people who have overcome their conditions through determination and compassion despite an overwhelmingly negative prognosis. Science and scientists are coming to the realization that all things are connected. Some call this connection the zero point field, some call it the implicate order others call it the morphogenic field and still others call it quantum coherence or quantum non-local interaction. This field appears to connect us all. Resonances are propagated through this field. Some of the recent scientific research in this area is described in Lynne McTaggart's latest book titled The Field. You can read more about this area of research in an article that I recently wrote at: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/review.htm I tend to think of the resonances of love and fear as a river and a dam. As long as the love is flowing all that it carries is well distributed. When the flow is damned up by fear all the crap accumulates in the reservoir behind
9/11 conspiracy
The Observer last Sunday carried a long article by Gore Vidal pointing out many peculiarities about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, notably the oddly unfazed behaviour of pseudo-president Bush and the fact that for nearly an hour and a half after radar first observed the hijacked planes deviating from course there was no Air Force activity. Presumably all this has appeared in the States? Any comment from you across the Atlantic?Tony N-S. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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Tony ... We (Americans) live in the land of conspiracy theories, which some say is well justified. The CIA is well documented as the driving force behind all sorts of heinous activity, and we learn of these things after the guilty are dead and gone. I imagine that most are afraid to make such conjectures right now; they, we, I, are just keeping low, heads down. It seems ignoble, embarrassing to admit to this behavior, but when the avalanche is roaring down the mountain what else is there to do? The people in power are determined to remain so, such is the history of the world. All I know to do is bear witness. Any suggestions? John Buckley mountains of North Carolina - Original Message - From: Tony Nelson-Smith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: 9/11 conspiracy The Observer last Sunday carried a long article by Gore Vidal pointing out many peculiarities about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, notably the oddly unfazed behaviour of pseudo-president Bush and the fact that for nearly an hour and a half after radar first observed the hijacked planes deviating from course there was no Air Force activity. Presumably all this has appeared in the States? Any comment from you across the Atlantic? Tony N-S._Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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John and Tony, The gulags in Alaska aren't activated yet, at least not to my knowledge. So I probably have a little time left on this list. I'm non-violent and would never do anything to hurt the Bushes of this world, so I'll probably be sent to the gulags. In some ways I'm looking forward to Alaska--not the cold or the drilling, mining and timbering. but I'm 55 and still in good health. I plan to ask to work in food service. It's something I'm good at, and in all the American prisons of my past experience most prisoners try to avoid working there. You have to get up too early for one thing. As for the Gore Vidal thing, Bush's behavior and the Air Force's failure to scramble planes might be explained away--but not MOLTEN POOLS OF STEEL weeks afterward ands SHARP SEISMIC SPIKES just before the buildings collapsed. I'm waiting for Bush to stage his own assassination on television, which he will miraculously survive. It's speculation, but it seems logical to me. It will be a good excuse to declare martial law. Best, Hugh Tony ... We (Americans) live in the land of conspiracy theories, which some say is well justified. The CIA is well documented as the driving force behind all sorts of heinous activity, and we learn of these things after the guilty are dead and gone. I imagine that most are afraid to make such conjectures right now; they, we, I, are just keeping low, heads down. It seems ignoble, embarrassing to admit to this behavior, but when the avalanche is roaring down the mountain what else is there to do? The people in power are determined to remain so, such is the history of the world. All I know to do is bear witness. Any suggestions? John Buckley mountains of North Carolina - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Tony Nelson-Smith To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: 9/11 conspiracy The Observer last Sunday carried a long article by Gore Vidal pointing out many peculiarities about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, notably the oddly unfazed behaviour of pseudo-president Bush and the fact that for nearly an hour and a half after radar first observed the hijacked planes deviating from course there was no Air Force activity. Presumably all this has appeared in the States? Any comment from you across the Atlantic?Tony N-S. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp>http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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Hi! Hugh, John, Tony, What worried me was watching the TV in England, having had a phone call and switched on after the first impact and before the second and at that time it was said to be an accident. Just after we tuned in, the second plan hit. The TV in the streets immediately interviewed supposed independent bystanders. Most of those then spoke what was clearly rehearsed and possibly scripted lines. It was not the spontaneous utterances of confused people caught in the cross fire. I think the media was well primes and was waiting, complete with pre qualified interviewees. Gil Hugh Lovel wrote: John and Tony, The gulags in Alaska aren't activated yet,
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Dear Hugh, John and Tony, Actually, the US already has a Gulag. It is called Quantanimo, Cuba. Even a Canadian-born Canadian is held there with no access by Can. authorities. Another Syrian-born Canadian was deported not to Canada, but, to Syria, without any notification to Canada. That guy is currently sitting in a Syrian jail. I would not be surprised that he is only guilty of evading Syrian military duty-nothing more, and ...being born in Syria. Michael - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: 9/11 conspiracy John and Tony,The gulags in Alaska aren't activated yet, at least not to my knowledge. So I probably have a little time left on this list. I'm non-violent and would never do anything to hurt the Bushes of this world, so I'll probably be sent to the gulags. In some ways I'm looking forward to Alaska--not the cold or the drilling, mining and timbering. but I'm 55 and still in good health. I plan to ask to work in food service. It's something I'm good at, and in all the American prisons of my past experience most prisoners try to avoid working there. You have to get up too early for one thing.As for the Gore Vidal thing, Bush's behavior and the Air Force's failure to scramble planes might be explained away--but not MOLTEN POOLS OF STEEL weeks afterward ands SHARP SEISMIC SPIKES just before the buildings collapsed.I'm waiting for Bush to stage his own assassination on television, which he will miraculously survive. It's speculation, but it seems logical to me. It will be a good excuse to declare martial law.Best,Hugh Tony ... We (Americans) live in the land of conspiracy theories, which some say is well justified. The CIA is well documented as the driving force behind all sorts of heinous activity, and we learn of these things after the guilty are dead and gone. I imagine that most are afraid to make such conjectures right now; they, we, I, are just keeping low, heads down. It seems ignoble, embarrassing to admit to this behavior, but when the avalanche is roaring down the mountain what else is there to do? The people in power are determined to remain so, such is the history of the world. All I know to do is bear witness. Any suggestions?John Buckleymountains of North Carolina- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tony Nelson-SmithTo: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:25 PMSubject: 9/11 conspiracyThe Observer last Sunday carried a long article by Gore Vidal pointing outmany peculiarities about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon,notably the oddly unfazed behaviour of pseudo-president Bush and the factthat for nearly an hour and a half after radar first observed the hijackedplanes deviating from course there was no Air Force activity. Presumablyall this has appeared in the States? Any comment from you across theAtlantic? Tony N-S._Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now!http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asphttp://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.aspVisit our website at: www.unionag.org
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Dear Hugh, John and Tony, Actually, the US already has a Gulag. It is called Quantanimo, Cuba. Even a Canadian-born Canadian is held there with no access by Can. authorities. Another Syrian-born Canadian was deported not to Canada, but, to Syria, without any notification to Canada. That guy is currently sitting in a Syrian jail. I would not be surprised that he is only guilty of evading Syrian military duty-nothing more, and ...being born in Syria. Michael Michael, Actually the US has gulags in Alaska too, and has had since Reagan. They just aren't putting anyone in them yet so far as I know. Hugh - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hugh Lovel To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: 9/11 conspiracy John and Tony, The gulags in Alaska aren't activated yet, at least not to my knowledge. So I probably have a little time left on this list. I'm non-violent and would never do anything to hurt the Bushes of this world, so I'll probably be sent to the gulags. In some ways I'm looking forward to Alaska--not the cold or the drilling, mining and timbering. but I'm 55 and still in good health. I plan to ask to work in food service. It's something I'm good at, and in all the American prisons of my past experience most prisoners try to avoid working there. You have to get up too early for one thing. As for the Gore Vidal thing, Bush's behavior and the Air Force's failure to scramble planes might be explained away--but not MOLTEN POOLS OF STEEL weeks afterward ands SHARP SEISMIC SPIKES just before the buildings collapsed. I'm waiting for Bush to stage his own assassination on television, which he will miraculously survive. It's speculation, but it seems logical to me. It will be a good excuse to declare martial law. Best, Hugh Tony ... We (Americans) live in the land of conspiracy theories, which some say is well justified. The CIA is well documented as the driving force behind all sorts of heinous activity, and we learn of these things after the guilty are dead and gone. I imagine that most are afraid to make such conjectures right now; they, we, I, are just keeping low, heads down. It seems ignoble, embarrassing to admit to this behavior, but when the avalanche is roaring down the mountain what else is there to do? The people in power are determined to remain so, such is the history of the world. All I know to do is bear witness. Any suggestions? John Buckley mountains of North Carolina - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Tony Nelson-Smith To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: 9/11 conspiracy The Observer last Sunday carried a long article by Gore Vidal pointing out many peculiarities about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, notably the oddly unfazed behaviour of pseudo-president Bush and the fact that for nearly an hour and a half after radar first observed the hijacked planes deviating from course there was no Air Force activity. Presumably all this has appeared in the States? Any comment from you across the Atlantic? Tony N-S. _ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp>http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp Visit our website at: www.unionag.org Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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Tony ... I re-read what I sent earlier and Iapologize. My words show the cynicism that most Americans proffer. It shows our maturing into a protective zone that acknowledges how dangerous the truth really is. Our cynicism has emasculated us. I take your question as honest and I responded dishonestly. I meant no disrespect. It's just that here we all know the nature of the game. I know this Gordian Knot of life in America can be undone, and the first step is embracing an honesty, an integrity, that we can embrace starting now. John Buckley mountains of North Carolina
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What??? A conspiracy??? Here in the land of the free??? Heck I think it's a whole lot easier to try figure out which events aren't conspiracies. In Love and Light ( the hope that it will eventually overcome), Mr. Chris - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: 9/11 conspiracy Dear Hugh, John and Tony,Actually, the US already has a Gulag. It is called Quantanimo, Cuba. Even a Canadian-born Canadian is held there with no access by Can. authorities. Another Syrian-born Canadian was deported not to Canada, but, to Syria, without any notification to Canada. That guy is currently sitting in a Syrian jail. I would not be surprised that he is only guilty of evading Syrian military duty-nothing more, and ...being born in Syria. MichaelMichael,Actually the US has gulags in Alaska too, and has had since Reagan. They just aren't putting anyone in them yet so far as I know.Hugh - Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Hugh LovelTo: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:22 PMSubject: Re: 9/11 conspiracyJohn and Tony,The gulags in Alaska aren't activated yet, at least not to my knowledge. So I probably have a little time left on this list. I'm non-violent and would never do anything to hurt the Bushes of this world, so I'll probably be sent to the gulags. In some ways I'm looking forward to Alaska--not the cold or the drilling, mining and timbering. but I'm 55 and still in good health. I plan to ask to work in food service. It's something I'm good at, and in all the American prisons of my past experience most prisoners try to avoid working there. You have to get up too early for one thing.As for the Gore Vidal thing, Bush's behavior and the Air Force's failure to scramble planes might be explained away--but not MOLTEN POOLS OF STEEL weeks afterward ands SHARP SEISMIC SPIKES just before the buildings collapsed.I'm waiting for Bush to stage his own assassination on television, which he will miraculously survive. It's speculation, but it seems logical to me. It will be a good excuse to declare martial law.Best,HughTony ...We (Americans) live in the land of conspiracy theories, which some say is well justified. The CIA is well documented as the driving force behind all sorts of heinous activity, and we learn of these things after the guilty are dead and gone. I imagine that most are afraid to make such conjectures right now; they, we, I, are just keeping low, heads down. It seems ignoble, embarrassing to admit to this behavior, but when the avalanche is roaring down the mountain what else is there to do? The people in power are determined to remain so, such is the history of the world. All I know to do is bear witness. Any suggestions?John Buckleymountains of North Carolina- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tony Nelson-SmithTo: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:25 PMSubject: 9/11 conspiracyThe Observer last Sunday carried a long article by Gore Vidal pointing outmany peculiarities about the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon,notably the oddly unfazed behaviour of pseudo-president Bush and the factthat for nearly an hour and a half after radar first observed the hijackedplanes deviating from course there was no Air Force activity. Presumablyall this has appeared in the States? Any comment from you across theAtlantic? Tony N-S._Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now!http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asphttp://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.aspVisit our website at: www.unionag.orgVisit our website at: www.unionag.org
