Re: TOOLS was Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6pages)
I often turn to Curtis for confirmation and many other things. We are partners. Plus he really loves the Mac, and I'm still working on getting over conflicts, extension problems, drivers not working and a general mistrust. But I do see the value in your point and if I would apply the good intentions at my computer that I use in the garden, perhaps my time here at desk will be as well spent as out there in the world of flowers. Jane From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:07:50 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TOOLS was Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) I read this to Curtis, Allan he says right on! Another difference between a tool and a machine is that a tool extends human school and a machine requires humans to adapt to its interface, be it a drill press or badly written OS. But why, did you turn to Curtis for confirmation of this one? ;-) -Allan
Re: Koliskos: The Calcium Process in Nature
Here is yet another Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! **
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BdNow'ers, In reply to L. Charles's past message about Chapter X. I'm re-sending this post because it is possible that the last time it got cut from the thread. This time I'm sending the 'smallest entity' format. Chapter X THE CALCIUM PROCESS IN NATURE I like the concept of going back in earth's geohistories for gaining a deeper understanding of minerals and how they interact with life organisms. Kolisko plunges all the way back to the archaic ; a geological term where old layers are void of any fossils. His statement that the whole of earthly matter was living substance, reminds me of the Gaia hypothesis; that earth is a living organism. The slight difference being that back then it was in a liquid state. We can go even further back into time! Anthroposophy teaches us that in ancient times the sun, earth, and the moon were united into one single cosmic body. The moon being inside the earth, and earth being inside the sun. At the time earth's atmosphere contained prussic acid and carbonic acid. What's also interesting is that humans lived there, not corporeally, rather as spirits. When the earth separated from the sun we received nitrogen from prussic acid, and oxygen from carbonic acid. This is way nitrogen is a sun element, and oxygen belongs to the moon. As for the origin of carbon, it also comes from the sun and moon. She left us coal inside the soil (formed from carbonic acid) and carbon in the exterior, and he left us small quantities of carbon that lives in plants. Calcium was excreted from the sun and gave us lime. Kolisko also mentions that: ... If we want to understand calcium as a substance,then we must observe, for instance, how it slowly crystallizes out of the water My feeling is that we should perhaps try this experiment in January and February, when earth's crystallization forces are in full effect. I agree with the statement that: ... We must grasp the whole process: the silica-process, the calcium-process, the sulphur-process, the nitrogen-process, etc.; a process embraces much more than substance alone.. For me, this is the essence of Anthroposophy, BD farming, and gaining spiritual knowledge. Your turn, Robin
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Allan, I would say this is an anti-virus program/firewall routine in the list software working overtime. Cheers Roger Thanks for investigating Roger. The strange thing remains that myself and others are receiving the messages ok, so I've got to think that the stripping is occurring somewhere on the path to you who are affected and not coming from earthlink. I have forwarded your information and the rest to earthlink. Let's hope they et back to us soon. Thanks and patience! -Allan
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
PS I have just found a attachment to Janes post on World Healing day saying that an attachment had been stripped. Is there a virus at work? In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
All of the messages others are having problems with are coming in fine on my computer which leads me to think there may be some kind of a virus going around the list. I just switched computer platforms back to mac from pc's and I used to get a lot () of viruses coming thru this list. One of them (I think Lloyd mentioned having this I hope he deleted it and didn't open it) is the Snow White ha ha ha virus. I can't really think of too many more reasons to switch platforms despite the advertising Mr. Jobs is blasting us with lately. Sorry, Allan, I think both platforms are equally Ahrimanic. I'm with Storch on this one: get thee to do my bidding Mr. Ahriman... Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
nah, nah, Jane. A Mac is a tool and an IBM is a machine. Machines are Ahrimanic and tools, well, my friend, tools are Divine. -Allan
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 03:37 AM, Allan Balliett wrote: Allan, I would say this is an anti-virus program/firewall routine in the list software working overtime. Cheers Roger Thanks for investigating Roger. The strange thing remains that myself and others are receiving the messages ok, so I've got to think that the stripping is occurring somewhere on the path to you who are affected and not coming from earthlink. My husband is the computer geek in the family and I asked him if he had any ideas. If earthlink has changed or updated their anti-virus or firewall software they may have reverted to the default settings which may be more secure. Still receiving messages with attachment removed message. Bonnie
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
I wasn't receiving message content on a few messages but now everything appears back to normal. Patti. Allan Balliett wrote: In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
I read this to Curtis, Allan he says right on! From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:11:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) nah, nah, Jane. A Mac is a tool and an IBM is a machine. Machines are Ahrimanic and tools, well, my friend, tools are Divine. -Allan
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Regularly since 17 August. The last attachment I received was 12 August. roger Me too, Allan. Surely it can't be an ISP thing, as we're on so many different ones? Is there any way we can opt either to receive attachments or have them stripped, as part of the Subscribe request? Tony N-S. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Fw: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Hi, I am not receiving any STRIPPED ATTACHMENT messages. I am receiving the attachments from Jane. I use Outlook Express and I live in Canada. Kathy Griebel - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Again - this doesn't really have anything to do with attacments, does it? Isn't it just messages randomly being clipped? Regularly since 17 August. The last attachment I received was 12 August. roger Me too, Allan. Surely it can't be an ISP thing, as we're on so many different ones? Is there any way we can opt either to receive attachments or have them stripped, as part of the Subscribe request? Tony N-S. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
TOOLS was Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6pages)
I read this to Curtis, Allan he says right on! Another difference between a tool and a machine is that a tool extends human school and a machine requires humans to adapt to its interface, be it a drill press or badly written OS. But why, did you turn to Curtis for confirmation of this one? ;-) -Allan
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Thanks Allan, For your attention to this and for your personal communication with me. Much appreciated. Best regards, Vere Scott Allan Balliett wrote: Allan, I would say this is an anti-virus program/firewall routine in the list software working overtime. Cheers Roger Thanks for investigating Roger. The strange thing remains that myself and others are receiving the messages ok, so I've got to think that the stripping is occurring somewhere on the path to you who are affected and not coming from earthlink. I have forwarded your information and the rest to earthlink. Let's hope they et back to us soon. Thanks and patience! -Allan
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Hi! Allan, All I get is the message, no content. Still happening to day. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: Fw: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
This email come to me with a request for an acknowledgement receipt. Another glitch? Helen Katherine Griebel wrote: Hi, I am not receiving any STRIPPED ATTACHMENT messages. I am receiving the attachments from Jane. I use Outlook Express and I live in Canada. Kathy Griebel - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Fw: Fw: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Hi Helen, The request for acknowledgement is an option within the program Outlook Express. It just lets a person know if, in fact, the receiver of the e-mail actually did receive it. Kathy Griebel - Original Message - From: Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) This email come to me with a request for an acknowledgement receipt. Another glitch? Helen Katherine Griebel wrote: Hi, I am not receiving any STRIPPED ATTACHMENT messages. I am receiving the attachments from Jane. I use Outlook Express and I live in Canada. Kathy Griebel - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: Fw: Fw: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
I realise that, but I had assumed that a list would be configured to remove those sorts of things - seems a bit silly everyone getting that message. So that's why I assumed it was a bug. Helen Katherine Griebel wrote: Hi Helen, The request for acknowledgement is an option within the program Outlook Express. It just lets a person know if, in fact, the receiver of the e-mail actually did receive it. Kathy Griebel - Original Message - From: Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) This email come to me with a request for an acknowledgement receipt. Another glitch? Helen Katherine Griebel wrote: Hi, I am not receiving any STRIPPED ATTACHMENT messages. I am receiving the attachments from Jane. I use Outlook Express and I live in Canada. Kathy Griebel - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment. Jane I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content. (Ain't language grand?) What is it folks? -Allan
Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! **
STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing. How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? -Allan How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! **
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Me for one. Teresa From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:52:40 -0400 First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing. How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? -Allan How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! ** _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Me too! Regularly. Vere Scott Teresa Seed wrote: Me for one. Teresa From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:52:40 -0400 First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing. How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? -Allan How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! ** _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Is there a virus at work? Dunno, but have had about a dozen empty emails from BD Now, but none from anyone else. Anyone see some chemical stained finger prints on the blank email? Gil - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 1:52 AM Subject: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing. How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? -Allan How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! **
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
In my case, maybe a week. No other lists are involved in my case. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Me too! Regularly. Vere Scott Regularly since when? -Allan
Koliskos: The Calcium Process in Nature
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Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
I am getting the same thing. ATTACHMENT REMOVED. Patti. Allan Balliett wrote: First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing. How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? -Allan How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? Gil Robin Duchesneau wrote: *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! **
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
I've sent you an email on this, Allan, have you received it? Regularly since 17 August. The last attachment I received was 12 August. roger Roger What does 'regularly' mean in this case? Every message or some messages on a regular basis? -Allan
Re: Koliskos: The Calcium Process in Nature
hi all , this relates as well to the deleted attachments subject, i checked my deleted items and did get the complete file from robin and did save it as well for later reference. so much to learn. ;)sharon - Original Message - From: Robin Duchesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Koliskos: The Calcium Process in Nature BdNow'ers, In reply to L. Charles's past message about Chapter X. I'm re-sending this post because it is possible that the last time it got cut from the thread. This time I'm sending the 'smallest entity' format. Chapter X THE CALCIUM PROCESS IN NATURE I like the concept of going back in earth's geohistories for gaining a deeper understanding of minerals and how they interact with life organisms. Kolisko plunges all the way back to the archaic ; a geological term where old layers are void of any fossils. His statement that the whole of earthly matter was living substance, reminds me of the Gaia hypothesis; that earth is a living organism. The slight difference being that back then it was in a liquid state. We can go even further back into time! Anthroposophy teaches us that in ancient times the sun, earth, and the moon were united into one single cosmic body. The moon being inside the earth, and earth being inside the sun. At the time earth's atmosphere contained prussic acid and carbonic acid. What's also interesting is that humans lived there, not corporeally, rather as spirits. When the earth separated from the sun we received nitrogen from prussic acid, and oxygen from carbonic acid. This is way nitrogen is a sun element, and oxygen belongs to the moon. As for the origin of carbon, it also comes from the sun and moon. She left us coal inside the soil (formed from carbonic acid) and carbon in the exterior, and he left us small quantities of carbon that lives in plants. Calcium was excreted from the sun and gave us lime. Kolisko also mentions that: ... If we want to understand calcium as a substance,then we must observe, for instance, how it slowly crystallizes out of the water My feeling is that we should perhaps try this experiment in January and February, when earth's crystallization forces are in full effect. I agree with the statement that: ... We must grasp the whole process: the silica-process, the calcium-process, the sulphur-process, the nitrogen-process, etc.; a process embraces much more than substance alone.. For me, this is the essence of Anthroposophy, BD farming, and gaining spiritual knowledge. Your turn, Robin
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Allan Balliett wrote: I've sent you an email on this, Allan, have you received it? Regularly since 17 August. The last attachment I received was 12 August. roger Roger What does 'regularly' mean in this case? Every message or some messages on a regular basis? -Allan Following messages have had attachments stripped: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17 Aug FW: [helpinghands] Cool Links and Books Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18 Aug Re: Kolisko's Work was Robin Duchesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19 Aug Re: Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20 Aug FW [globalnews] World Healing Day Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 Aug FW [globalnews] Cash for Oxygen Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 Aug FW [globalnews] How Farmers Stopped Robin Duchesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 Aug Re: Koliskos: The Calcium Process Note that Oz is a day ahead of most of you and the date shown is that of receipt. Also I've truncated the subjects. There have been others stripped of attachments but I deleted them a day or so ago. hope this helps roger
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Roger Pye wrote: Following messages have had attachments stripped: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17 Aug FW: [helpinghands] Cool Links and Books Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18 Aug Re: Kolisko's Work was Robin Duchesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19 Aug Re: Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20 Aug FW [globalnews] World Healing Day Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 Aug FW [globalnews] Cash for Oxygen Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 Aug FW [globalnews] How Farmers Stopped Robin Duchesneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 Aug Re: Koliskos: The Calcium Process Further to the above. Going on what Sharon said I have checked the Message Source for the above messages (hit the VIEW menu in Netscape, the equivalenet in MIE, to find the message source). In every case the email message from the originator and the attachment is there in plain english (not in code as it usually would be) and is followed immediately by two lines of html and then ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY STRIPPED. As far as the message on screen is concerned, all that shows is the capitalised text, there is nothing else other than the sender's details. Allan, I would say this is an anti-virus program/firewall routine in the list software working overtime. Cheers Roger
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Lloyd Charles wrote: From : Allan Balliett ) How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? -Allan Hi Allan Not me. Robin's message did not come through at all . I have had one with attachment on 16th from SRC ? and one HaHaHa Snow white on 18th . There has been a few empty messages over the last couple weeks from regular posters. Maybe this message comes with a particular brand of virus software? Lloyd Charles I have just checked all messages since I joined the list. All messages with attachments stripped from them (that I have kept) since the Moen Creek on on 17 Aug include these lines: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. No messages with attachments received before that date included these lines. For the most part they say This message is in MME multi-part format which is standard. Actually my 'reader' (browser, Netscape 6) does understand MIME format - perhaps the list software doesn't! roger
Re: Me Too! Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'SmallestEntities In Agriculture'and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Allan, I'd say it started about one week ago, less than two weeks. I got concerned enough to contact you last Friday or Saturday. Certainly it was on a minority of bdnow posts and I neglected to notice if it was happening to a certain type of post. I think whoever said it was on the subject of Koliskos. Vere Allan Balliett wrote: Me too! Regularly. Vere Scott Regularly since when? -Allan
Re: Koliskos
At the wizards workshop it was stressed by some speakers that homeopathic applications of lime had to be backed up by actually physically spreading lime, I pushed this line BUT I only advocate fertiliser quantities of physical lime to be spread. Thats say 10 to 20 percent of the normal recommended rate - in most cases you would be told a ton + per acre - I think 200 to 500 kg per Ha is workable. there are several reasons for this , first is cost, next is without good microbial activity and organic carbon calcium will drop through the soil system like a stone in a pond and in a few years we will find it accumulated way down the soil profile out of the root zone - Hugh Hi Loyd, I agree with on the above and for the same reasons, I have tried a potetised calcium spray in a friends garden about a year ago and it certainly woke the snails up. So according to them it certainly was effective, but not nescesarily the best thing for that time and place. I would see it as being more usefull in dry or drought conditions. Cheers, Peter.
ADMIN: Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Bonjour, Seeing that I've already jumped in the cold water when I posted my comments for chapter I, I'll swim a little further and move on to chapter X. Latter I'll meditate on XII. Friends - There is no reason to copy the entire book with each transmission. Let's work towards the smallest unit of accurate meaning. OK? Thanks -Allan
Re: Koliskos book
Teresa Seed wrote: Dear all, I have asked James Stewart at Elib what the position is regarding copyright - I think he usually deals with the Anthroposophical Press, so I've passed on the email contact for Kolisko Archive Publications and relayed Roger's contact with them. I've asked him to contact them himself direct. Andrew Clunies-Ross who replied to my email is the grandson of Lili Kolisko. This info is on the following web-page which contains extracts (including some stunning images) from The Sun Eclipse published in 1978. http://www.anth.org.uk/science/kolisko/gold.htm This could possibly mean the publisher is in fact the estate of Lili Kolisko and might well be amenable to having someone else put a non-profit copy of Agriculture of Tomorrow on the web. Might even cooperate in doing so. Regarding the digital photography - for print accuracy a camera with a minimum specification of 3 million pixels would be needed. Mine is 2 million; I took shots of different sorts of print with it, some with graphics. The latter were no problem but the print wasn't too good. This year's models of small DC cost around $Aust 650 which is what we paid for ours last year. Sony do a combined digital/video cam for around $A1600 which would probably do the job. Maybe we could ask a camera co for sponsorship!!! roger
Re: Koliskos book
Hi! Roger, If you have the actual book and modest scanner for say $A150 will do the job. I have neither, but have a friend who is archiving a lot of art photography, such as all the entries in competitions and exhibitions at our local cultural centre. Gil Roger Pye wrote: Teresa Seed wrote: Dear all, I have asked James Stewart at Elib what the position is regarding copyright - I think he usually deals with the Anthroposophical Press, so I've passed on the email contact for Kolisko Archive Publications and relayed Roger's contact with them. I've asked him to contact them himself direct. Andrew Clunies-Ross who replied to my email is the grandson of Lili Kolisko. This info is on the following web-page which contains extracts (including some stunning images) from The Sun Eclipse published in 1978. http://www.anth.org.uk/science/kolisko/gold.htm This could possibly mean the publisher is in fact the estate of Lili Kolisko and might well be amenable to having someone else put a non-profit copy of Agriculture of Tomorrow on the web. Might even cooperate in doing so. Regarding the digital photography - for print accuracy a camera with a minimum specification of 3 million pixels would be needed. Mine is 2 million; I took shots of different sorts of print with it, some with graphics. The latter were no problem but the print wasn't too good. This year's models of small DC cost around $Aust 650 which is what we paid for ours last year. Sony do a combined digital/video cam for around $A1600 which would probably do the job. Maybe we could ask a camera co for sponsorship!!! roger
Koliskos
Chapter 1 Quote. The lime works much more powerfully 9 we use a minute quantity. Whenever we have to introduce lime into the soil we need not dig in a ,'large quantity of the solid matter, but spray a certain potency carefully on the surface of the soil. It is an easy, and a very economical way of helping the soil which is lacking in lime. At the wizards workshop it was stressed by some speakers that homeopathic applications of lime had to be backed up by actually physically spreading lime, in view of the recent discussion on rich father poor son' effect of spreading lime, is the homeopathic application only a short term measure? For example will homeopathic lime change the readings of an Albrecht soil test. Would I be correct in assuming that homeopathic applications of other elements such as phosphorus and potassium would similar to calcium in their effect. Sorry if sounds confused but I am. The Kolisko experiment mentions only the sprouting of seeds. No long term effects, perhaps it is expanded on further in the book. David C
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In a message dated 8/13/02 9:05:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard a rumour that Lily burnt the lot, including all of the results from the experiments before she died. The rumour didn't contain a reason for this unfortunately, but I am intrigued! Lily destroyed much of her life's work because it was not accepted bythe scientific community; they were not ready for it. What a shame, not much has changed...sstorch
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SStorch, Perhaps this is true. But, I must say that I've observed positive change in the 'so called' scientific community. For now, change isdifficult tosee becauseof itsstate of condition. I'd say its more internal then external.Many of the younger scientists are freely admitting that spirituality needs to be incorporated in their professional lives, including research endeavors. Unfortunately, many 'leaders' in the scientific milieu are very materialistic. This makes it very difficult for the younger crowd to manifest the internal change into something more observable. But things are brewing. No doubt. For example, last year I gave a talk about biodynamic agriculture and forestry at the University of British Columbia. It was very well received as students come from both the forestry agriculture departments came. They are now interesting in managing their UBC farm with some BD concepts. I'm certain that spirituality is slowly permeating other Universities in the world.Is yourglass half full or half empty... Regards, Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 13, 2002 6:29 AM Subject: Re: koliskos In a message dated 8/13/02 9:05:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard a rumour that Lily burnt the lot, including all of theresults from the experiments before she died. The rumour didn'tcontain a reason for this unfortunately, but I am intrigued!Lily destroyed much of her life's work because it was not accepted bythe scientific community; they were not ready for it. What a shame, not much has changed...sstorch
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I'm certain that spirituality is slowly permeating other Universities in the world. Is your glass half full or half empty... Regards, Robin Robin - Your experience is so far outside my own that I cannot comprehend it. I do respect it as your experience and will factor it with my own in the future. -Allan
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Michael, My talk was a few months ago. I know Dr.J Barker real well. HE WAS ONE of the few professors who came to my talk. That day he impressed many students who did not know that he was open to esoteric traditions. So was I. Yes I'm talking about the old dairy farm at Oyster Bay. I was under the impression that a student movement from the Faculty of Agriculture was taking over and writing up a proposal. I was asked to participate, but since I was leaving the province, I declined. I wish them success. Small world I guess.. Robin - Original Message - From: mroboz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 13, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: Re: koliskos Robin-How long ago did you give the talk at UBC? The latest info. I assume you mean the old dairy farm at Oyster Bay? That being the case, the latest is that they want to get rid of it. One of the parents of one of our companions at Camphill (Dr. Johon Barker) is on the faculty of Forestry, UBC. He alerted us and BD Glenora Farm, etc. and we were interested in taking it over. Nothing much there except a couple of old decrepit buildings, grass and forest. Our BC BD AGM was on the premises but, the meeting regarding using the property was a total flop. Michael - Original Message - From: Robin Duchesneau To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: Re: koliskos SStorch, Perhaps this is true. But, I must say that I've observed positive change in the 'so called' scientific community. For now, change isdifficult tosee becauseof itsstate of condition. I'd say its more internal then external.Many of the younger scientists are freely admitting that spirituality needs to be incorporated in their professional lives, including research endeavors. Unfortunately, many 'leaders' in the scientific milieu are very materialistic. This makes it very difficult for the younger crowd to manifest the internal change into something more observable. But things are brewing. No doubt. For example, last year I gave a talk about biodynamic agriculture and forestry at the University of British Columbia. It was very well received as students come from both the forestry agriculture departments came. They are now interesting in managing their UBC farm with some BD concepts. I'm certain that spirituality is slowly permeating other Universities in the world.Is yourglass half full or half empty... Regards, Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 13, 2002 6:29 AM Subject: Re: koliskos In a message dated 8/13/02 9:05:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard a rumour that Lily burnt the lot, including all of theresults from the experiments before she died. The rumour didn'tcontain a reason for this unfortunately, but I am intrigued!Lily destroyed much of her life's work because it was not accepted bythe scientific community; they were not ready for it. What a shame, not much has changed...sstorch
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Hi David I have posted below from Kolisko's - kind of a summing up of the experiments and also an interesting snip from Alex Podolinsky's book and my response to some of your questions re the wizards workshop From: D S Chamberlain At the wizards workshop it was stressed by some speakers that homeopathic applications of lime had to be backed up by actually physically spreading lime, I pushed this line BUT I only advocate fertiliser quantities of physical lime to be spread. Thats say 10 to 20 percent of the normal recommended rate - in most cases you would be told a ton + per acre - I think 200 to 500 kg per Ha is workable. there are several reasons for this , first is cost, next is without good microbial activity and organic carbon calcium will drop through the soil system like a stone in a pond and in a few years we will find it accumulated way down the soil profile out of the root zone - Hugh Lovel spoke of this on list recently and I have seen it in many parts of inland NSW - low calcium soils with limestone nobbys or layers of sugar lime anywhere from two feet to twenty five deep depending on soil type and rainfall pattern. third I believe in coming at a problem from as many different angles as possible - a little bit of physical for a base - chemical (B12/sugar) and microbial catalysts - energetics (BDpreps and potentised materials) in view of the recent discussion on rich father poor son' effect of spreading lime, is the homeopathic application only a short term measure? For example will homeopathic lime change the readings of an Albrecht soil test. Good question - if the homeopathic application can catalyse some physical substance or improve microbial activity then probably yes - more likely to show on a reams test which measures plant available nutrients though. Would I be correct in assuming that homeopathic applications of other elements such as phosphorus and potassium would similar to calcium in their effect. I posted a bit of Kolisko re superphosphate yesterday and their summing up below may help on this - I think yes Sorry if sounds confused but I am. The Kolisko experiment mentions only the sprouting of seeds. No long term effects, perhaps it is expanded on further in the book. David C They did write up one experiment of BD 500 on sunflower through to maturity with height of plants and diameter of the flower head and there is one growing out hyacinth using silver nitrate as the potentised material - thats the series that Alex P used in his book (I think) - another was done with gladioli - but most of the tests written up were done with wheat grown to about the three leaf stage - I guess its easy to work with! From the book If we therefore study the influence of smallest entities on plant growth, we find a very interesting law. According to the substance we are using, we can find that the 1st, 2nd and sometimes even the 3rd potencies are unfavourable for plant growth; then with increasing dilutions (we can also say with decreasing concentration) the process of germination starts. At a certain dilution it reaches the same point as the water control; then it surpasses the water control, even to a considerable extent. Many substances reach a first maximum at the 7th potency (1 part of the substance diluted in 10,000,000 parts of water). Then again we find that the plants decrease in growth gradually. We nearly always get very tiny and sometimes even distorted plants, between the llth and 18th potencies (according to the substance; silver, for instance, has an early minimum between the llth and 13th potency; gold salts show rather a late minimum about the 18th potency). After the first minimum is reached, the plants show increasing growth again. That means we are using much smaller entities, or much higher dilutions, whichever expression you like; so matter can be entirely neglected. The chemical tests come to an end, but the living plant organism shows us quite clearly there is something influencing its growth favourably or unfavourably. The plants reach a maximum, they are much bigger than the water control plants, at about the 21st to 24th potencies. After having reached the maximum, the plants again decrease gradually. We reach another minimum at about the 28th potency and so on. A rhythmical process, producing maxima and minima reveals itself through these experiments. Thousands of experiments have been carried out since 1920, with many varieties of plants, and about 300 different mineral salts and plant juices. The result is beyond any doubt. 58 From Alex Podolinsky book 1 CONVERTING A FARM we have to take measures to increase the biological activity. That alone may provide sufficient elements to grow the plants, but not always. Then it is a question of how we add the elements. Ideally we would do that by obtaining rock dust containing these elements. Often the farmer must have an immediate return. He wants to transform his farm, and he undertakes biological
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Dear list members, For many years I have been an advocate for the recognition of the work of the Kolisko's. This research has laid the groundwork for modern agricultural homoeopathy. I believe that one of the major problems faced by the Kolisko's within the Anthroposophical movement lay in the fact that this research was competing with secular interests who were promoting the legacy of Rudolph Steiner. There was no recognition by their peers of the value of this research. To get the theory of homoeopathic dose accepted in agriculture, particularly in high potency, there had to be a development of an appropriate technology to potentise large quantities of material. This was not available at that time. What was the value of minimal dose when the basis of RS's Agriculture course was cow manure which was in plentiful supply. Steiner's indications were being interpreted by materialists who were trying to come to grips with a spiritual aspect promoted by a man who was so far ahead of his time. The time was not right for a discussion of spiritual aspects of agriculture. The people of Europe were trying to come to grips with the effects of a devastating war, the people of Germany were burdened with reparation payments, and physical wealth had to be rebuilt. In a way modern America is in the same position that Europe was in the 1920's and 1930's, you are trying to come to grips with such great uncertainty that it is only natural that there will be resistance from some of those who need to defend the status quo. This discussion to advance, will need to come to some concensus opinion of allowing the many divergent views on radionics to be expressed. Let us debate the issues vigorously, as even in Europe there is a need to solve the problems which have surfaced about some form of testing to ensure the freedom of disease which could be transferred from farm to farm by the use of BD500 made from raw manure. Radionically potentised BD preps have so much to offer agriculture, that their widespread use is only a matter of time. To discuss pot trials from 70 years ago is a purely academic pastime unless we also discuss how do we use this information and in what circumstances are the results applicable. Have a great day. James Hedley - Original Message - From: bdnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: RESEND: Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' The following is from Agriculture of Tomorrow by Eugen and Lily Kolisko. This title is out of print and is reproduced here for purposes of education. Today, people in general are little inclined to detach themselves from the claims of the material world and to seek the spiritual directly in the physical world around them . . . It is, however, precisely from observing directly the sense-perceptible that a right path will open out for those who wish now to work entirely within the fild of present-day science, if they really seek to discover the spritual there. It can be done . . Chapter 1 INTRODUCTION It may seem strange to speak about smallest entities in agriculture, but it is absolutely necessary that farmers and gardeners learn to understand this important phenomenon. The problem of minutest quantities, or better smallest entities, was studied from 1920 in the Biological Institute at the Goetheanum (Stuttgart) and later on in the Biological Institute at Bray, Berks. The attempt to find a remedy for Footand-Mouth Disease led us to the question of smallest entities. What is the right concentration of the specific remedy to be injected? Rudolf Steiner suggested that the effect of different dilutions on germinating plants should be studied. From 1920 until today we have been studying this interesting subject. One might think that this is a medical problem rather than an agricultural one. Of course it is a medical problem in that we are looking for a certain remedy, but it becomes an agricultural problem as well if we study how the growth of plants is affected by substances which are diluted, or rather potentised. What does potentise mean? Exactly what the word itself expresses. In potentising a substance, we increase its effectiveness. We make the substance more potent. The strange thing about potentising is, that we have to reduce the amount of the substance which we want to make more potent. In everyday life we are accustomed to think: if we want to make something more effective, we have to take a bigger quantity. For instance, if we want to make coffee sweeter, we take a second teaspoonful of sugar. In homeopathy we are told just the opposite thing. If we want a stronger action from a certain remedy, we have to potentise it, that means dilute it with water or alcohol, again and again, in a rhythmical way. This is the first and most important thing we have to learn: to discriminate between matter and force. Matter can act in two different ways: as matter
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the Kolisko's. This research has laid the groundwork for modern agricultural homoeopathy. I believe that one of the major problems faced by the Kolisko's within the Anthroposophical movement lay in the fact that this research was competing with secular interests who were promoting the legacy of Rudolph Steiner. There was no recognition by their peers of the value of this research. To get the theory of homoeopathic dose accepted in agriculture, particularly in high potency, there had to be a development of an appropriate technology to potentise large quantities of material. This was not available at that time. What was the value of minimal dose when the basis of RS's Agriculture course was cow manure which was in plentiful supply. Steiner's indications were being interpreted by materialists who were trying to come to grips with a spiritual aspect promoted by a man who was so far ahead of his time. The time was not right for a discussion of spiritual aspects of agriculture. The time may have now arrived for European biodynamic practioners to revisit the art of homoeopathy in agriculture in response to the extreme difficulty or even imposibility of makeing most of the preparations or remedies. this may have to tide them through until the regulations can be changed again. Peter.
Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Hi Allan and all .I have added on chapter ten and a few comments at the very bottom for any interested in reading that far Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' The following is from Agriculture of Tomorrow by Eugen and Lily Kolisko. This title is out of print and is reproduced here for purposes of education. Today, people in general are little inclined to detach themselves from the claims of the material world and to seek the spiritual directly in the physical world around them . . . It is, however, precisely from observing directly the sense-perceptible that a right path will open out for those who wish now to work entirely within the fild of present-day science, if they really seek to discover the spritual there. It can be done . . Chapter 1 INTRODUCTION It may seem strange to speak about smallest entities in agriculture, but it is absolutely necessary that farmers and gardeners learn to understand this important phenomenon. The problem of minutest quantities, or better smallest entities, was studied from 1920 in the Biological Institute at the Goetheanum (Stuttgart) and later on in the Biological Institute at Bray, Berks. The attempt to find a remedy for Footand-Mouth Disease led us to the question of smallest entities. What is the right concentration of the specific remedy to be injected? Rudolf Steiner suggested that the effect of different dilutions on germinating plants should be studied. From 1920 until today we have been studying this interesting subject. One might think that this is a medical problem rather than an agricultural one. Of course it is a medical problem in that we are looking for a certain remedy, but it becomes an agricultural problem as well if we study how the growth of plants is affected by substances which are diluted, or rather potentised. What does potentise mean? Exactly what the word itself expresses. In potentising a substance, we increase its effectiveness. We make the substance more potent. The strange thing about potentising is, that we have to reduce the amount of the substance which we want to make more potent. In everyday life we are accustomed to think: if we want to make something more effective, we have to take a bigger quantity. For instance, if we want to make coffee sweeter, we take a second teaspoonful of sugar. In homeopathy we are told just the opposite thing. If we want a stronger action from a certain remedy, we have to potentise it, that means dilute it with water or alcohol, again and again, in a rhythmical way. This is the first and most important thing we have to learn: to discriminate between matter and force. Matter can act in two different ways: as matter, or as the specific force behind the matter. In everyday life we ask only for matter, for quantity, and we do not even stop to think, that there is something like a force which is active in every kind of matter. Sugar for instance is not only sweet that is one quality we discover with our sense of taste. Besides being sweet, sugar has many other qualities which we are unable to taste but none-the-less have definite reactions within our organism. Now we must raise another important question: What do we want in reality? The substance itself, or the inner quality of the substance? For instance, a farmer may be convinced that his soil needs lime. How does he solve the problem? Usually he digs a large amount of lime into the soil. Again and again he will dig in lime. Let us now study the influence of smallest entities of lime on the germination of wheat. We put a certain number of seeds in a control dish with water. Then we dissolve one gram of calcium hydroxide in ten parts of water and shake the mixture for some minutes; then we have the first potency or a dilution of 1: 10. We take I part of the first potency; mix it with 9 parts of water; shake for the same time, and we have the second potency, or a dilution of 1:100. We may continue this process of diluting as long as we like. Usually we make our experiments up to the 60th potency. Having finished all the potencies, we insert the carefully selected seeds, and, a few days later we compare the results. The seeds inserted in he first potency of lime scarcely start to germinate. The effect of lime in such a high concentration is thus proven unfavorable. The seeds in the 2nd potency start to sprout, while while those in the water control are much more advanced in growth. The 3rd potency is more advanced than the 2nd, the 4th is of about the same value as the water control, the 5th already surpasses the water control and has definitely better developed roots. The 6th potency is more advanced than the 5th, and the 7th and 8th potencies show still more increase in growth. That means, if we observe these few potencies, that a dilution of 1: 100,000,000 of lime produces a much better growth than a lower potency. The lime works much more powerfully
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Hi all, I'm up for the sharing, reading, and exchanging ideas on Kolisco's work. I've read the book about 4 years ago. The book was not mine so I don't have a copy.Yes I enjoyed readingit.I'll participateaccording tothe bits and piecesdelivered on this list. My comments for are for Chapter 1: Steiner comments on this part of Kolisko's research in "Mensch und Welt: Das Wirken des Geistes in der Natur (1923)": - "...We have demonstrated with this method the action of smallest entities of substances. You see, the effect of very small quantities is curiously rhythmic. If we dilute, we obtain at a the end, at a given dilution, the best growth. Growth increases and decreases with each dilution; this evolution occurs rhythmically. By giving these substances to plants, we thus demonstrate that their growth depends on something that acts on them from the outside, and what acts on them isrelated to what is rhythmic in its environment...". So... how does this relationship function? What is the outside rhythm? I'll venture an opinion. Perhaps the relation is that of 'material elements' to 'cosmic rhythms (the motion of the sun, moon, planets and constellations). Linking Koliscos'potency' research to Maria Thun's ideas about cosmic influence, tells us that the cosmos acts on BOTH plants and soil elements.Maria T. showed that, at the time of germination,the cosmos influencedeither roots,fruits, leaves, or shoots.Kolisko showed that the cosmos influenceselementsaccording to dilution in water.Perhapsaweb of interactions here? How can we formulate this web.? Second, I wonder about his treatment variable; germination. If a potency of 9 is best for lime on germination of seeds, what would be the substance and its dilution for, say, leaf growth? Is it possible that each plant part has a 'smallest entity' given by aspecificsubstance. Couldn't we look at the Maria Thun's cosmic conditions to get an answer? For example, leaf signs (e.g.Aquarius, Libra, andGemini)would not only influenceleave, but specific minerals.What minerals are under these cosmic conditions? Couldn't potency be linked tothe chaos that a seed encounters under cosmic influence?If this is the case, then it should not be to difficult to elaborate. What say you? Hmmm... I need more meditation before I turn my attention to Chapter 10. Robin - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 11, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) Hi Allan and all .I have added on chapter ten and a few comments at the verybottom for any interested in reading that farKoliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' The following is from "Agriculture of Tomorrow" by Eugen and Lily Kolisko. This title is out of print and is reproduced here for purposes of education. "Today, people in general are little inclined to detach themselves from the claims of the material world and to seek the spiritual directly in the physical world around them . . . It is, however, precisely from observing directly the sense-perceptible that a right path will open out for those who wish now to work entirely within the fild of present-day science, if they really seek to discover the spritual there. It can be done . . Chapter 1 INTRODUCTION It may seem strange to speak about "smallest entities" in agriculture, but it is absolutely necessary that farmers and gardeners learn to understand this important phenomenon. The problem of minutest quantities, or better "smallest entities," was studied from 1920 in the Biological Institute at the Goetheanum (Stuttgart) and later on in the Biological Institute at Bray, Berks. The attempt to find a remedy for "Footand-Mouth Disease" led us to the question of "smallest entities." What is the right concentration of the specific remedy to be injected? Rudolf Steiner suggested that the effect of different dilutions on germinating plants should be studied. From 1920 until today we have been studying this interesting subject. One might think that this is a medical problem rather than an agricultural one. Of course it is a medical problem in that we are looking for a certain remedy, but it becomes an agricultural problem as well if we study how the growth of plants is affected by substances which are diluted, or rather potentised. What does "potentise" mean? Exactly what the word itself expresses. In potentising a substance, we increase its effectiveness. We make the substance more potent. The strange thing about potentising is, that we have to reduce the amount of the substance which we want to make more potent. In everyday life we are accustomed to think: if we want to make something more effective, we h
Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and TheCalcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Hi all, I'm up for the sharing, reading, and exchanging ideas on Kolisco's work. I've read the book about 4 years ago. The book was not mine so I don't have a copy. Yes I enjoyed reading it.I'll participate according to the bits and pieces delivered on this list. My comments for are for Chapter 1: Steiner comments on this part of Kolisko's research in Mensch und Welt: Das Wirken des Geistes in der Natur (1923): Thanks very much for your contribution to this discussion, Robin. And thanks for twisting the thread off from the finger and back to the moon. -Allan
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Folks - Let's try to minimize the quote material posted to the list. Please quote only enough lines suffecient unto the meaning of the day, ok? Thanks -Allan
Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
Dear Allan, You said: -"...thanks for twisting the thread off from the finger and back to the moon. -Allan". Bienvenue mon ami! Thanks. I agree. People should not only focus on who is pointing the finger, but consider thedirection of the finger . Yes details are important, butonly on a relative scale. I say --- be humble, share information, cautious, proud,and learn... ---. Thank you for pointing the finger. Robin - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 11, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) Hi all,I'm up for the sharing, reading, and exchanging ideas on Kolisco's work. I've read the book about 4 years ago. The book was not mine so I don't have a copy. Yes I enjoyed reading it. I'll participate according to the bits and pieces delivered on this list.My comments for are for Chapter 1:Steiner comments on this part of Kolisko's research in "Mensch und Welt: Das Wirken des Geistes in der Natur (1923)":Thanks very much for your contribution to this discussion, Robin. And thanks for twisting the thread off from the finger and back to the moon. -Allan
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The following is from Agriculture of Tomorrow by Eugen and Lily Kolisko. This title is out of print and is reproduced here for purposes of education. Today, people in general are little inclined to detach themselves from the claims of the material world and to seek the spiritual directly in the physical world around them . . . It is, however, precisely from observing directly the sense-perceptible that a right path will open out for those who wish now to work entirely within the fild of present-day science, if they really seek to discover the spritual there. It can be done . . Chapter 1 INTRODUCTION It may seem strange to speak about smallest entities in agriculture, but it is absolutely necessary that farmers and gardeners learn to understand this important phenomenon. The problem of minutest quantities, or better smallest entities, was studied from 1920 in the Biological Institute at the Goetheanum (Stuttgart) and later on in the Biological Institute at Bray, Berks. The attempt to find a remedy for Footand-Mouth Disease led us to the question of smallest entities. What is the right concentration of the specific remedy to be injected? Rudolf Steiner suggested that the effect of different dilutions on germinating plants should be studied. From 1920 until today we have been studying this interesting subject. One might think that this is a medical problem rather than an agricultural one. Of course it is a medical problem in that we are looking for a certain remedy, but it becomes an agricultural problem as well if we study how the growth of plants is affected by substances which are diluted, or rather potentised. What does potentise mean? Exactly what the word itself expresses. In potentising a substance, we increase its effectiveness. We make the substance more potent. The strange thing about potentising is, that we have to reduce the amount of the substance which we want to make more potent. In everyday life we are accustomed to think: if we want to make something more effective, we have to take a bigger quantity. For instance, if we want to make coffee sweeter, we take a second teaspoonful of sugar. In homeopathy we are told just the opposite thing. If we want a stronger action from a certain remedy, we have to potentise it, that means dilute it with water or alcohol, again and again, in a rhythmical way. This is the first and most important thing we have to learn: to discriminate between matter and force. Matter can act in two different ways: as matter, or as the specific force behind the matter. In everyday life we ask only for matter, for quantity, and we do not even stop to think, that there is something like a force which is active in every kind of matter. Sugar for instance is not only sweet that is one quality we discover with our sense of taste. Besides being sweet, sugar has many other qualities which we are unable to taste but none-the-less have definite reactions within our organism. Now we must raise another important question: What do we want in reality? The substance itself, or the inner quality of the substance? For instance, a farmer may be convinced that his soil needs lime. How does he solve the problem? Usually he digs a large amount of lime into the soil. Again and again he will dig in lime. Let us now study the influence of smallest entities of lime on the germination of wheat. We put a certain number of seeds in a control dish with water. Then we dissolve one gram of calcium hydroxide in ten parts of water and shake the mixture for some minutes; then we have the first potency or a dilution of 1: 10. We take I part of the first potency; mix it with 9 parts of water; shake for the same time, and we have the second potency, or a dilution of 1:100. We may continue this process of diluting as long as we like. Usually we make our experiments up to the 60th potency. Having finished all the potencies, we insert the carefully selected seeds, and, a few days later we compare the results. The seeds inserted in he first potency of lime scarcely start to germinate. The effect of lime in such a high concentration is thus proven unfavorable. The seeds in the 2nd potency start to sprout, while while those in the water control are much more advanced in growth. The 3rd potency is more advanced than the 2nd, the 4th is of about the same value as the water control, the 5th already surpasses the water control and has definitely better developed roots. The 6th potency is more advanced than the 5th, and the 7th and 8th potencies show still more increase in growth. That means, if we observe these few potencies, that a dilution of 1: 100,000,000 of lime produces a much better growth than a lower potency. The lime works much more powerfully 9 we use a minute quantity. Whenever we have to introduce lime into the soil we need not dig in a ,'large quantity of the solid matter, but spray a certain potency carefully on the
