[beagleboard] Re: CAN project

2015-01-22 Thread Mübin Icyer
Hi,
I also started a project using CAN on BBB. I am surprized how many people 
work at the same time for same topic :)
I succesfully implemented it by following this page: 
http://www.koervernet.de/hausautomatisierung/97-beaglebone
I have ISO1050 from TI as CAN Transciever.
Because it is in german, I try to summirize all.

1. CAN2 can not be used directly because it is muxed with other Bus I2C. 
Therefore CAN1 is activated but since it is the first activated CAN 
interface, we will speak with it as CAN0 in linux.
2. Compile device tree source using this command: dtc -O dtb -o 
BB-DCAN1-00A0.dtbo -b 0 -@ BB-DCAN1-00A0.dts . You can download that file 
from that page.
3. Copy the dtbo file into /lib/firmware using this command: sudo cp 
BB-DCAN1-00A0.dtbo /lib/firmware
4. Load it: sudo modprobe can,  sudo modprobe can-dev,  sudo modprobe 
can-raw
5. Activate it:  echo BB-DCAN1  /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots
6. Start it with 125kBit/s: sudo ip link set can0 up type can bitrate 
125000,  sudo ifconfig can0 up
7. Check if it is up:  sudo ifconfig, in the first place you should see the 
can0 interface.
8. Install SocketCAN if you don't have: svn co 
svn://svn.berlios.de/socketcan/trunk, cd trunk/can-utils/, make, cd 
/home/socketcan/trunk/can-utils/
9. Now you can send with cansend: ./cansend can0 5A1#1.2.3.4.5
10. You can dump can network: ./candump can0

I hope this helps you.

Regards.


Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2015 17:05:25 UTC+1 schrieb Pedro Bueno de Castro:

 I am starting working with the BBB in order it receive and send CAN 
 messages in a University project that I`m developing. I have read a lot and 
 a few questions are still confusing me.
 1) In the project I plan to make my own cape and as far as I understood 
 the BBB has native CAN, so I would have only to add the transceiver to my 
 cape and the other necessary stuff. Right?
 2) I am confused where the SocketCAN comes in. Do I have to enable CAN in 
 my BBB or SocketCAN already does that? Or is it above another layer that 
 takes care of the hardware part?
 Thanks in advance for your time

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: debian testing: 2015-01-19

2015-01-22 Thread Robert Nelson
On Jan 22, 2015 12:53 AM, niv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, I posted regarding a rsyslog iisue that flooded the syslog with:

 rsyslogd-2007: action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Fri Jan 16
18:44:25 2015 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]

 As journld works fine I suggest removing rsyslogd from the image.
 Niv

Always reference the image name in issue reports. In this case I know your
talking about Jessie, which is just a development snapshot.

See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742113

Where Debian has decided this is not a bug, but merely a configuration
issue.

Jessie is still in development, if you disagree with their decision, file a
but 'now' before Jessie is released.

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Re: [beagleboard] Embedded Linux and Device Driver Training Course in London

2015-01-22 Thread Michael Opdenacker


On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:41:19 AM UTC+1, Hemant Kapoor wrote:

 Thanks Robert,

 I had a look at the course its bit expensive from what I was expecting.

 I was hoping if you can help me out with below query: 

 I am an embedded software programmer for last 10+ years and need to boost 
 my profile for Linux device driver...

 I have learned bit of embedded Linux by experimenting with my BBB Board 
 and broadly know how Linux is used to interact with peripherals

 Can you please suggest if I could do the Developing Linux Device Drivers 
 course straightaway.


Hi Hemant

If your budget is limited, you could try self learning first with Free 
Electrons' kernel and drivers course, which materials are completely 
available on-line, and are run precisely on the BBB board.
You will find the materials on http://free-electrons.com/training/kernel/ 

Have fun, and greetings to Robert ;)

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: CAN project

2015-01-22 Thread Marco Steger
Dear Pedro,
I will use my BBB to connect it to the OBD interface as well as with an
802.15.4 WSN. So I will need a simple voltage conversion 12V vehicle
battery - 5V BBB, the integration of an OBD controller ,and an interface
to my WSN. Nothing really complex but I won't be able to have it before the
20 of February (because I'm on vacation for the next 3 weeks :) )

What are your plans?

Best regards,
Marco

2015-01-22 12:56 GMT+01:00 Pedro Bueno de Castro 
pedrobuenodecas...@gmail.com:

 I am using the mcp2551, the same used in shields fos RPI and Arduino, so
 it`s easier to find one. Which kind of extra functionalities are thinking
 of?

 Best Regards

 2015-01-22 5:09 GMT-02:00 Marco Steger marco.st1...@gmail.com:

 Hi Pedro,
 sounds great. Congrats!

 It's the same for me ... there is no cape yet. I want to have some more
 functionalities on the cape/PCB. So it will me take some time till I have
 it and can test the CAN connection. But I will inform you about my results.

 Do you already know which transceiver you are going to use in your
 project?

 Best regards,
 Marco

 2015-01-21 21:32 GMT+01:00 Pedro Bueno de Castro 
 pedrobuenodecas...@gmail.com:

 Hey Marco,
 I don`t see any problems for us to help each other, in fact that`s a
 great idea!
 I tried to set can using socketcan via ubuntu 14.04 booting from the sd
 card and it appeared to me that it worked, but I haven`t done my cape yet,
 only the schematics.

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: CAN project

2015-01-22 Thread Pedro Bueno de Castro
I am using the mcp2551, the same used in shields fos RPI and Arduino, so
it`s easier to find one. Which kind of extra functionalities are thinking
of?

Best Regards

2015-01-22 5:09 GMT-02:00 Marco Steger marco.st1...@gmail.com:

 Hi Pedro,
 sounds great. Congrats!

 It's the same for me ... there is no cape yet. I want to have some more
 functionalities on the cape/PCB. So it will me take some time till I have
 it and can test the CAN connection. But I will inform you about my results.

 Do you already know which transceiver you are going to use in your project?

 Best regards,
 Marco

 2015-01-21 21:32 GMT+01:00 Pedro Bueno de Castro 
 pedrobuenodecas...@gmail.com:

 Hey Marco,
 I don`t see any problems for us to help each other, in fact that`s a
 great idea!
 I tried to set can using socketcan via ubuntu 14.04 booting from the sd
 card and it appeared to me that it worked, but I haven`t done my cape yet,
 only the schematics.

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[beagleboard] BBB Flying linux, a must see for every bbb owner

2015-01-22 Thread toni incog
Master hacker Andrew Trdigell at LCA let bbb fly linux:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Twl2mQAh6g

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[beagleboard] Re: Windows 7 (64bit) USB issue, BeagleBoneBlack shows up under Other devices

2015-01-22 Thread Steve Osselton
I had a problem using the latest TI kernel and the windows USB/ethernet 
driver. Seemed to be some issue with the
windows driver expecting RNDIS where the kernel USB gadget support was 
configured to support both CDC ECM and
RNDIS by default. Changing the USB gadget support to just support RNDIS 
solved the problem (usb/ethernet worked
with both Linux and Windows). In fact just copied in a rebuilt g_multi.ko 
and rebooted to fix.

Cheers Steve.

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[beagleboard] Power Analysis

2015-01-22 Thread Satya

Hello All,
  I would like to know if any one did power level calculation 
for BBB, seems like it does not have enough current monitoring hookups as 
like EVM, does any body have an software solutions regarding the same...!!! 
 

I have a few questions regarding the power management in AM3358:

1) 
*How to make user level Applications be power aware, may be my question 
over ambitious, do i need to implement CONFIG_PMrelated  prepare, 
resume, suspend for all the drivers???*


2) *What about the dynamic pin control 
 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/pinctrl.txt ...!!! will it be 
helpful if we keep some power hunger devices in high impedance at run-time. 
I kinda seems confused and lost in this subject*



3)*Do i need to take any special care in the schematics, for power saving, 
as i have still have a very little window left for hardware level changes 
on my board*.


Thanks,
pratap

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[beagleboard] BeagleBone Debian boot time (IPV6, ethernet..)

2015-01-22 Thread Boris Ostrovskiy


It takes my beaglebone ~70seconds to fully boot. Looking at dmesg it 
seems like most of that time is spent setting up / loading network 
functionality. I do need the ethernet connection but is there a way to 
speed up the process...?

root@beaglebone:~# dmesg
[0.00] Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x0
[0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[0.00] Linux version 3.8.13-bone50 (root@imx6q-wandboard-2gb-0) (gcc 
version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 SMP Tue May 13 13:24:52 UTC 2014
[0.00] CPU: ARMv7 Processor [413fc082] revision 2 (ARMv7), cr=50c5387d
[0.00] CPU: PIPT / VIPT nonaliasing data cache, VIPT aliasing 
instruction cache
[0.00] Machine: Generic AM33XX (Flattened Device Tree), model: TI 
AM335x BeagleBone
[0.00] Memory policy: ECC disabled, Data cache writeback
[0.00] On node 0 totalpages: 130816
..
[   12.266913] usb usb2: bus auto-suspend, wakeup 1
[   20.098980] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready
[   47.160094] net eth0: initializing cpsw version 1.12 (0)
[   47.164737] net eth0: phy found : id is : 0x7c0f1
[   47.164794] libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found
[   47.170095] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1
[   47.185951] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[   50.239902] libphy: 4a101000.mdio:00 - Link is Up - 100/Half
[   50.240024] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[   66.874349] net eth0: initializing cpsw version 1.12 (0)
[   66.878716] net eth0: phy found : id is : 0x7c0f1
[   66.878776] libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found
[   66.884045] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1
[   66.896224] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[   67.442350] net eth0: initializing cpsw version 1.12 (0)
[   67.448162] net eth0: phy found : id is : 0x7c0f1
[   67.448194] libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found
[   67.453288] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1
[   67.463303] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[   69.454875] libphy: 4a101000.mdio:00 - Link is Up - 100/Half
[   69.454992] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready

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Re: [beagleboard] BeagleBone Debian boot time (IPV6, ethernet..)

2015-01-22 Thread Robert Nelson
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Boris Ostrovskiy boris...@gmail.com wrote:
 It takes my beaglebone ~70seconds to fully boot. Looking at dmesg it seems
 like most of that time is spent setting up / loading network functionality.
 I do need the ethernet connection but is there a way to speed up the
 process...?

Yeap... cpsw/eth0 is a dog on bootup with 3.8.13...  it's faster
anywhere else, v3.14.x-ti  mainline..


 root@beaglebone:~# dmesg
 [0.00] Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x0
 [0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
 [0.00] Linux version 3.8.13-bone50 (root@imx6q-wandboard-2gb-0) (gcc

Well in 'bone51' we got 1.6 second reduction with lzo:

https://github.com/RobertCNelson/bb-kernel/commit/4e5e3d4ec6cb3b80361ab1d69a463ec71e87ddad

anywho...  current release is bone69 with bone70 just hitting the
build farm..

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Re: Small distros (was: [beagleboard] debian testing: 2015-01-19)

2015-01-22 Thread William Hermans

 *I would like to talk more. I've seen some presentations and demos of
 Linux booting in under a second. That's my primary goal. Secondary is
 maximizing the free space on the eMMC for content (in my case, MP3 files).
 I haven't really tried doing a lot in this regard for now, but would like
 to over the next three months.*


I have not personally got there Rick. But just a base minimalfs install,
I've persnally seen 10-15s. Which is to say Roberts barefs install. No
tweaks.

*And, I probably want to hang on to sshd, since logging in is helpful. But
 long-term, if it can run my C++ app and the node.js UI I'm building on top
 of it, and get the C++ app up and running in under 2 seconds, I'll be very
 happy (the node.js can take longer to start). I'll need Wi-Fi networking,
 and even that can come up after the C++ app has started, so long as the C++
 app can reliably keep trying to make a network connection.*


So Roberts barefs install with *just* openssh-server sits at around 75-80M
total on disk. I have not installed to eMMC *yet* but have had a working
install with openssh-server @ around 80M or slightly less. Then  with
Nodejs + express + socket.io + very basic Nodejs app, we're talking 175M.
This for me included a ntp client, and a few other base packages like
psmisc, and yeah, I'd have to check my install notes which I may / may not
have with me at the moment ( I'm out of town again for a few weeks yet -
again ).

But the main idea, that for me. I have a base install to do everything I
need for a base test-app that can be displayed / configured via a web
browser, in around 175-180M total space on disk. But to achieve this I
needed a base install NFS share + a development NFS share. The development
share is all the tools I needed to compile my own packages for the base
install. Including all the dependencies for various things, and stuff
like CheckInstall to build packages( debs) for my base install. Where the
base image is just the bare minimum installed to run all the stuff I need .
. . I know it sounds kind of wonky when i explain it this way. But perhaps
when i get a spare week or so to lay it all out in a blog post it can /
would sound a bit more coherent ? I have a lot of notes I need to put
together . . . Plus I've been trying to get other things done such as
trying to show others how to use / setup device tree files for 3.14.x.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Robert Nelson robertcnel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Drew Fustini pdp7p...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sounds like you might something derived from Yocto Project.  We just
  had a presentation at my hackerspace about the Yocto Project and Open
  Enea Linux:
 
 http://www.meetup.com/NERP-Not-Exclusively-Raspberry-Pi/events/219669847/
 
  The speaker, Mark Mills of Enea, gave a demo of running Open Enea
  Linux on a BeagleBone Black.  It appeared to give the flexibility of
  Yocto to tailor the system to your needs while also offering a large
  number of binary packages:
  http://www.enea.com/en-US/solutions/Enea-Linux/Open-Enea-Linux/
 
  (Personally though I am partial to Debian and the Robert's console
  images have always been sufficient for my needs)


 There's also an opportunity for someone to work on the ubuntu core
 snappy, one of the big road blocks at my attempts at a  64Mb debian
 image... 'apt - dpkg - perl' is a big dependency..

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Re: [beagleboard] Embedded Linux and Device Driver Training Course in London

2015-01-22 Thread Hemant Kapoor
Hello Michael, 

Thanks for the link, I will definitely give it a go.
In the past, I tried building basic device drivers on my own following some 
online tutorial and got stuck and that was it for me...

I can see that Free-electrons have a training scheduled by end of March, If 
it was bit cheaper then would definitely have attended the course to get me 
going.

Thanks again for the help.

Regards, 
Hemant Kapoor

On Thursday, 22 January 2015 13:46:33 UTC, Michael Opdenacker wrote:



 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:41:19 AM UTC+1, Hemant Kapoor wrote:

 Thanks Robert,

 I had a look at the course its bit expensive from what I was expecting.

 I was hoping if you can help me out with below query: 

 I am an embedded software programmer for last 10+ years and need to boost 
 my profile for Linux device driver...

 I have learned bit of embedded Linux by experimenting with my BBB Board 
 and broadly know how Linux is used to interact with peripherals

 Can you please suggest if I could do the Developing Linux Device Drivers 
 course straightaway.


 Hi Hemant

 If your budget is limited, you could try self learning first with Free 
 Electrons' kernel and drivers course, which materials are completely 
 available on-line, and are run precisely on the BBB board.
 You will find the materials on http://free-electrons.com/training/kernel/ 

 Have fun, and greetings to Robert ;)

 Michael


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[beagleboard] Re: Wierd Power Problem

2015-01-22 Thread DLF
Hello

I assume you are using the barrel connector.  Could you use the USB 
connector to provide power?  I find a different result on my BBB if I use 
the USB vs the barrel.

or perhaps I don't fully understand your issues ???


cheers

On Friday, 23 January 2015 00:16:08 UTC+1, William Pretty Security wrote:

 Hello List:

  

 I have a problem that I didn’t anticipate.

 I have an embedded system with battery backup.

 Actually it runs off of the battery  and external supply keeps the battery 
 charged.

  

 Here is my problem:

  

 I can use the power button/signal to power the unit down, but how do I get 
 it to power up again?

 The unit doesn’t have an On/Off switch, so I can’t simply cycle the power 
 ….

  

 Any ideas ??

  

 Bill

  

 No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he 
 could do only a little.

 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do 
 nothing Edmond Burke *(1729 - 1797)*


 http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

 http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

  

  


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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Wierd Power Problem

2015-01-22 Thread evilwulfie
Well in your application you would need another small CPU monitoring
power and issuing a reset upon power good
there is a battery cape that does just that. I have a design that does
that for my design using a BBB.
http://andicelabs.com/beaglebone-powercape/
something i noticed in testing for my design. once things are off there
is nothing to tell the BBB to restart.



On 1/22/2015 8:21 PM, William Pretty Security wrote:

 Thanks DLF;

  

 I should have been more clear.

 I am feeding power into the Beaglebone via P9 but I could switch to
 the barrel connector fairly easily.

  

 Bill

  

 No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because
 he could do only a little.

 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
 nothing Edmond Burke /(1729 - 1797)/

 http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

 http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

  

  

 *From:*beagleboard@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:beagleboard@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *DLF
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:44 PM
 *To:* beagleboard@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [beagleboard] Re: Wierd Power Problem

  

 Hello

 I assume you are using the barrel connector.  Could you use the USB
 connector to provide power?  I find a different result on my BBB if I
 use the USB vs the barrel.

 or perhaps I don't fully understand your issues ???


 cheers

 On Friday, 23 January 2015 00:16:08 UTC+1, William Pretty Security wrote:

 Hello List:

  

 I have a problem that I didn’t anticipate.

 I have an embedded system with battery backup.

 Actually it runs off of the battery  and external supply keeps the
 battery charged.

  

 Here is my problem:

  

 I can use the power button/signal to power the unit down, but how do I
 get it to power up again?

 The unit doesn’t have an On/Off switch, so I can’t simply cycle the
 power ….

  

 Any ideas ??

  

 Bill

  

 No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because
 he could do only a little.

 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
 nothing Edmond Burke /(1729 - 1797)/

 http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

 http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

  

  

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RE: [beagleboard] Re: Wierd Power Problem

2015-01-22 Thread William Pretty Security
Thanks DLF;

 

I should have been more clear.

I am feeding power into the Beaglebone via P9 but I could switch to the barrel 
connector fairly easily.

 

Bill

 

No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could 
do only a little.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing 
Edmond Burke (1729 - 1797)

http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

 

 

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Behalf Of DLF
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:44 PM
To: beagleboard@googlegroups.com
Subject: [beagleboard] Re: Wierd Power Problem

 

Hello

I assume you are using the barrel connector.  Could you use the USB connector 
to provide power?  I find a different result on my BBB if I use the USB vs the 
barrel.

or perhaps I don't fully understand your issues ???


cheers

On Friday, 23 January 2015 00:16:08 UTC+1, William Pretty Security wrote:

Hello List:

 

I have a problem that I didn’t anticipate.

I have an embedded system with battery backup.

Actually it runs off of the battery  and external supply keeps the battery 
charged.

 

Here is my problem:

 

I can use the power button/signal to power the unit down, but how do I get it 
to power up again?

The unit doesn’t have an On/Off switch, so I can’t simply cycle the power ….

 

Any ideas ??

 

Bill

 

No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could 
do only a little.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing 
Edmond Burke (1729 - 1797)

http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

 

 

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[beagleboard] Re: BBB SPI: 6 cs signals needed

2015-01-22 Thread janszymanski12345

http://www.nagavenkat.adurthi.com/?p=479

On Friday, 23 January 2015 06:18:05 UTC+11, codemonkey wrote:

 Hello, I need to address six devices on a single spi bus, and I'm hoping 
 to avoid writing a device driver :-)

 We will be updating from 3.8.13-bone68 as soon as there is a stable 
 release of a newer kernel. So far, my research hasn't turned up any 
 indication that spidev can support the use of additional gpis's for this 
 purpose.

 Will this be true with the new kernel? Has anyone addressed this?

 Thanks for your help,
 Tim


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Re: Small distros (was: [beagleboard] debian testing: 2015-01-19)

2015-01-22 Thread Graham
Rick:

You are building a tube radio simulator
Get some Orange LEDs and put them in the box under dimmer control.
Tell them the boot delay is the filaments warming up.
Why do you need 1 second?  :-)

I time a BBB Rev C, booting off a uSD card with Debian 7.7 Console up and
running in 20 seconds. It would probably be even faster booting out of eMMC.
Occupies 217MB on the uSD.

--- Graham


--- Graham

==


On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:17:48 PM UTC-6, Rick M wrote:


  On Jan 22, 2015, at 07:25 , William Hermans yyr...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  
  I would like to talk more. I've seen some presentations and demos of 
 Linux booting in under a second. That's my primary goal. Secondary is 
 maximizing the free space on the eMMC for content (in my case, MP3 files). 
 I haven't really tried doing a lot in this regard for now, but would like 
 to over the next three months. 
  
  I have not personally got there Rick. But just a base minimalfs install, 
 I've persnally seen 10-15s. Which is to say Roberts barefs install. No 
 tweaks. 

 My project is a radio that benefits greatly from a lighting-fast boot: 

 http://blog.roderickmann.org/2015/01/podtique/ 

 I would imagine a great many BBB-based devices would benefit from very 
 fast boot, although this is only necessary for deployment builds, not 
 necessarily for development builds (e.g., you can leave in the u-boot delay 
 on a development system). 

  And, I probably want to hang on to sshd, since logging in is helpful. 
 But long-term, if it can run my C++ app and the node.js UI I'm building on 
 top of it, and get the C++ app up and running in under 2 seconds, I'll be 
 very happy (the node.js can take longer to start). I'll need Wi-Fi 
 networking, and even that can come up after the C++ app has started, so 
 long as the C++ app can reliably keep trying to make a network connection. 
  
  So Roberts barefs install with *just* openssh-server sits at around 
 75-80M total on disk. I have not installed to eMMC *yet* but have had a 
 working install with openssh-server @ around 80M or slightly less. Then 
  with Nodejs + express + socket.io + very basic Nodejs app, we're talking 
 175M. This for me included a ntp client, and a few other base packages like 
 psmisc, and yeah, I'd have to check my install notes which I may / may not 
 have with me at the moment ( I'm out of town again for a few weeks yet - 
 again ). 
  
  But the main idea, that for me. I have a base install to do everything I 
 need for a base test-app that can be displayed / configured via a web 
 browser, in around 175-180M total space on disk. But to achieve this I 
 needed a base install NFS share + a development NFS share. The development 
 share is all the tools I needed to compile my own packages for the base 
 install. Including all the dependencies for various things, and stuff 
 like CheckInstall to build packages( debs) for my base install. Where the 
 base image is just the bare minimum installed to run all the stuff I need . 
 . . I know it sounds kind of wonky when i explain it this way. But perhaps 
 when i get a spare week or so to lay it all out in a blog post it can / 
 would sound a bit more coherent ? I have a lot of notes I need to put 
 together . . . Plus I've been trying to get other things done such as 
 trying to show others how to use / setup device tree files for 3.14.x. 

 I definitely don't need NFS, nor really the ability to build packages on 
 the BBB. In fact, I'd love to get to where I'm cross-compiling everything, 
 and building a tarball I can easily transfer over. Eventually, I want my 
 app to be able to update itself, if not the entire filesystem. 

 Definitely the blog post will be good, and any good documentation on using 
 device trees is critically important (there's too much out there about 
 3.8.x, and not enough about how to do it in 3.14+). 

  On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Robert Nelson robert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Drew Fustini pdp7...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
   Sounds like you might something derived from Yocto Project.  We just 
   had a presentation at my hackerspace about the Yocto Project and Open 
   Enea Linux: 
   
 http://www.meetup.com/NERP-Not-Exclusively-Raspberry-Pi/events/219669847/ 
   
   The speaker, Mark Mills of Enea, gave a demo of running Open Enea 
   Linux on a BeagleBone Black.  It appeared to give the flexibility of 
   Yocto to tailor the system to your needs while also offering a large 
   number of binary packages: 
   http://www.enea.com/en-US/solutions/Enea-Linux/Open-Enea-Linux/ 
   
   (Personally though I am partial to Debian and the Robert's console 
   images have always been sufficient for my needs) 
  
  
  There's also an opportunity for someone to work on the ubuntu core 
  snappy, one of the big road blocks at my attempts at a  64Mb debian 
  image... 'apt - dpkg - perl' is a big dependency.. 
  
  Regards, 
  
  -- 
  Robert 

[beagleboard] Re: Regarding Cortex M3 PM

2015-01-22 Thread janszymanski12345
IT E2E community might be helpfull 
http://e2e.ti.com/support/microcontrollers/ 

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:19:02 PM UTC+11, Satya wrote:

 I had started working over my BBB and realized that my AM33XX integrates 
 a Cortex-M3 core to manage the entry/exit of various standy-by and 
 deep-sleep modes, i have some weird question regarding the same, please 
 excuse me if i was wrong.

 1) Can we use this M3 for some other purpose also apart from just waking 
 up and sleeping,as it has access for the GPIO's (Vaibhav Bedia) from TI 
 mentioned that in one of his seminar, but really did not explained about 
 the same.

 2) Apart from TRM, can anybody point me to the direction where i can get a 
 good hold the same.


 I would take this opportunity to thank Robert Nelson for his incredible 
 work and contribution to guide freshers like me...!!! :-)


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[beagleboard] Wierd Power Problem

2015-01-22 Thread William Pretty Security
Hello List:

 

I have a problem that I didn't anticipate.

I have an embedded system with battery backup.

Actually it runs off of the battery  and external supply keeps the battery
charged.

 

Here is my problem:

 

I can use the power button/signal to power the unit down, but how do I get
it to power up again?

The unit doesn't have an On/Off switch, so I can't simply cycle the power ..

 

Any ideas ??

 

Bill

 

No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he
could do only a little.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
Edmond Burke (1729 - 1797)

 
http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/boo
k
http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

 

 

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Re: Small distros (was: [beagleboard] debian testing: 2015-01-19)

2015-01-22 Thread William Hermans

 *I definitely don't need NFS, nor really the ability to build packages on
 the BBB. In fact, I'd love to get to where I'm cross-compiling everything,
 and building a tarball I can easily transfer over. Eventually, I want my
 app to be able to update itself, if not the entire filesystem.*


You're missing the point Rick. You do not NEED NFS, a rootfs can be any
number of places. NFS share, sdcard eMMC, usb harddrive. Whatever. Also,
you do realize how easy it is to move a root file system ? I use NFS *only*
because I do not have to use destructive MMC media. While developing.
Well it is also very convenient for being able to serve up multiple root
file systems for various purposes. Anyway, if I could show you people how
easy it is to use NFS shares are to use, then how easy it is to move file
systems around under linux . . .  I'm pretty sure at least half of you out
there would be using multiple forms.

Anyway, yeah, cross compile Nodejs, and then write a blog, and share with
the community/ Personally, I'd rather spend that time doing something else.
It would be awesome if you did, do not get me wrong. But I do not think it
is worth yours, or anyones time.

*Definitely the blog post will be good, and any good documentation on using
 device trees is critically important (there's too much out there about
 3.8.x, and not enough about how to do it in 3.14+).*



We'll see. Right now I'm out of town and will be for at least a couple more
weeks. It'd very doubtful I will write anything while out on the road.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Graham gra...@flex-radio.com wrote:

 Rick:

 You are building a tube radio simulator
 Get some Orange LEDs and put them in the box under dimmer control.
 Tell them the boot delay is the filaments warming up.
 Why do you need 1 second?  :-)

 I time a BBB Rev C, booting off a uSD card with Debian 7.7 Console up and
 running in 20 seconds. It would probably be even faster booting out of
 eMMC.
 Occupies 217MB on the uSD.

 --- Graham


 --- Graham

 ==


 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:17:48 PM UTC-6, Rick M wrote:


  On Jan 22, 2015, at 07:25 , William Hermans yyr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I would like to talk more. I've seen some presentations and demos of
 Linux booting in under a second. That's my primary goal. Secondary is
 maximizing the free space on the eMMC for content (in my case, MP3 files).
 I haven't really tried doing a lot in this regard for now, but would like
 to over the next three months.
 
  I have not personally got there Rick. But just a base minimalfs
 install, I've persnally seen 10-15s. Which is to say Roberts barefs
 install. No tweaks.

 My project is a radio that benefits greatly from a lighting-fast boot:

 http://blog.roderickmann.org/2015/01/podtique/

 I would imagine a great many BBB-based devices would benefit from very
 fast boot, although this is only necessary for deployment builds, not
 necessarily for development builds (e.g., you can leave in the u-boot delay
 on a development system).

  And, I probably want to hang on to sshd, since logging in is helpful.
 But long-term, if it can run my C++ app and the node.js UI I'm building on
 top of it, and get the C++ app up and running in under 2 seconds, I'll be
 very happy (the node.js can take longer to start). I'll need Wi-Fi
 networking, and even that can come up after the C++ app has started, so
 long as the C++ app can reliably keep trying to make a network connection.
 
  So Roberts barefs install with *just* openssh-server sits at around
 75-80M total on disk. I have not installed to eMMC *yet* but have had a
 working install with openssh-server @ around 80M or slightly less. Then
  with Nodejs + express + socket.io + very basic Nodejs app, we're
 talking 175M. This for me included a ntp client, and a few other base
 packages like psmisc, and yeah, I'd have to check my install notes which I
 may / may not have with me at the moment ( I'm out of town again for a few
 weeks yet - again ).
 
  But the main idea, that for me. I have a base install to do everything
 I need for a base test-app that can be displayed / configured via a web
 browser, in around 175-180M total space on disk. But to achieve this I
 needed a base install NFS share + a development NFS share. The development
 share is all the tools I needed to compile my own packages for the base
 install. Including all the dependencies for various things, and stuff
 like CheckInstall to build packages( debs) for my base install. Where the
 base image is just the bare minimum installed to run all the stuff I need .
 . . I know it sounds kind of wonky when i explain it this way. But perhaps
 when i get a spare week or so to lay it all out in a blog post it can /
 would sound a bit more coherent ? I have a lot of notes I need to put
 together . . . Plus I've been trying to get other things done such as
 trying to show others how to use / setup device tree files for 3.14.x.

 I definitely don't need NFS, nor really the 

Re: [beagleboard] BBB EEPROM details

2015-01-22 Thread wlnwtz
Thanks for the info. You have been much help.

I checked mdio:00 and 01. 00 is there and has same SMSC info, 01 is not 
used so I assume this is normal message and can safely ignore.


On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:03:33 PM UTC-6, RobertCNelson wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:36 PM,  wln...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  Apologize, no, we do not have NAND. we have eMMC on board, I was just 
  referring to the info copied from the boot log 
  
  Regarding mdio:00 I see no messages on boot log to this regard. Is there 
 a 
  command I can query to check it? 

 debian@beaglebone:~$ dmesg | grep mdio:00 
 [1.119700] davinci_mdio 4a101000.mdio: phy[0]: device 
 4a101000.mdio:00, driver SMSC LAN8710/LAN8720 
 [   29.275310] libphy: 4a101000.mdio:00 - Link is Up - 100/Full 
 [   37.357496] libphy: 4a101000.mdio:00 - Link is Up - 100/Full 

 debian@beaglebone:~$ dmesg | grep mdio:01 
 [   26.198636] libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found 
 [   26.203680] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1 
 [   33.984396] libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found 
 [   33.989465] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1 
 [   35.349652] libphy: PHY 4a101000.mdio:01 not found 
 [   35.354716] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1 

  Regarding the flasher script - THANKS A MILLION! I have now booted from 
 eMMC 
  on board to debian. Much appreciated. I am not sure when I am supposed 
 to 
  ground the WP, during flashing or after flashing? can you calrify? 

 GND the pin before power up, it just holds the eeprom in a writeable 
 state.. On one of my test boards, i just ran a wire from the gnd on 
 the socket to it. 

  Also, is similar image for Angstrom available? 

 I don't believe so.. 

 With the u-boot patch, you should be able to piece one together. 

 My eeprom flash routine is here: 

 https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/blob/master/tools/eMMC/init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh#L112
  

 The mid script reboot is a little tricky, as the eMMC doesn't load 
 unless you have a proper eeprom in v3.8.x. ;) 

 Regards, 
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[beagleboard] Anyopne using Bitscope

2015-01-22 Thread Fred Patrick
Is anyone using the Bitscope Micro model 5 or Bitscope BS10 on Beaglebone 
Black projects? I am not parcularly interested in running the software on 
the Beaglebone but rather connecting to a Mac and using the Bitscope to 
analyse breadboard circuits.
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Re: [beagleboard] HDMI signal filtering on page 10 (BBB schematics)

2015-01-22 Thread Gerald Coley
Well, it works. Remember, these signals are 3.3V and the threshold on the
HDMI chip is for a 1.8V rail.

Feel free to try the series resistors if you like.

Gerald


On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:58 PM, wojtekskulski via BeagleBoard 
beagleboard@googlegroups.com wrote:

  Gerald:
 thank you for the answer. I am a bit surprised that caps on the LCD_DATAx
 are helpful. My understanding is that they must slow down the edges because
 the AM335x drivers are forced to charge them, what just takes time at a
 given AM335x buffer strength, 6 mA in this case (data sheet Table 2-7,
 p.26).

 I was thinking that much the same effect can be had by adding series
 resistors in front of the LCD inputs of the TDA19988. The slowing down
 would be due to charging the TDA19988 pin capacitance through the resistor.
 I am curious why it did not work in your design. Perhaps I will give it a
 shot

 Thank you,
 Wojtek

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Re: [beagleboard] BBB EEPROM details

2015-01-22 Thread Robert Nelson
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:05 PM,  wln...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the info. You have been much help.

 I checked mdio:00 and 01. 00 is there and has same SMSC info, 01 is not used
 so I assume this is normal message and can safely ignore.

Correct, mdio:01 is safe to ignore unless you physically installed a second phy.

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Re: [beagleboard] Power Analysis

2015-01-22 Thread Gerald Coley
This is  $55 board. If you need all those power taps that adds cost, buy an
EVM from TI.

As to power savings in your application, which at this point is a mystery,
run the processor slower, and lower the core voltage to save power.

Gerald

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Satya pratapna...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello All,
   I would like to know if any one did power level calculation
 for BBB, seems like it does not have enough current monitoring hookups as
 like EVM, does any body have an software solutions regarding the same...!!!


 I have a few questions regarding the power management in AM3358:

 1)
 *How to make user level Applications be power aware, may be my question
 over ambitious, do i need to implement CONFIG_PMrelated  prepare,
 resume, suspend for all the drivers???*


 2) *What about the dynamic pin control
  https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/pinctrl.txt
 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/pinctrl.txt ...!!! will it be
 helpful if we keep some power hunger devices in high impedance at run-time.
 I kinda seems confused and lost in this subject*



 3)*Do i need to take any special care in the schematics, for power
 saving, as i have still have a very little window left for hardware level
 changes on my board*.


 Thanks,
 pratap

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[beagleboard] BBB SPI: 6 cs signals needed

2015-01-22 Thread codemonkey
Hello, I need to address six devices on a single spi bus, and I'm hoping to 
avoid writing a device driver :-)

We will be updating from 3.8.13-bone68 as soon as there is a stable release 
of a newer kernel. So far, my research hasn't turned up any indication that 
spidev can support the use of additional gpis's for this purpose.

Will this be true with the new kernel? Has anyone addressed this?

Thanks for your help,
Tim

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[beagleboard] Change the VID/PID for the client USB port

2015-01-22 Thread james . farr623
We would like to use the BBB as part of a prototype for a product 
re-design.  We will need the BBB to be a client device.  I have not yet 
been able to determine how I can change the VID/PID on the USB client port 
so that a different USB driver will get loaded into the host.  Can anyone 
tell me where this information is stored and how I might be able to change 
it?  Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: BeagleBone Encoders

2015-01-22 Thread vcorbala
Hi Charles,
 
I don't understand exactly what do you mean here:





*More encoders could be supported if you used a single GPIO bank and did 
one GPIO read with the PRU each loop of the encoder logic.  This adds about 
160 nS to the loop time, but if the PRU isn't doing much else you should 
still be able to support encoder rates fast enough to be very useful 
(easily into the hundreds of KHz). *

 
I'm using for the 3 encoders the 9 pins of PRU0 without conflicts because 
PRU1 is overlapped with display and it is used for step/dir pins. How can I 
add more encoders if I don't have more free PRU pins?
 
Thanks,
 
Vicente.
 
 
 
 
 


 


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Re: [beagleboard] HDMI signal filtering on page 10 (BBB schematics)

2015-01-22 Thread wojtekskulski via BeagleBoard
 Gerald:
thank you for the answer. I am a bit surprised that caps on the LCD_DATAx 
are helpful. My understanding is that they must slow down the edges because 
the AM335x drivers are forced to charge them, what just takes time at a 
given AM335x buffer strength, 6 mA in this case (data sheet Table 2-7, 
p.26). 

I was thinking that much the same effect can be had by adding series 
resistors in front of the LCD inputs of the TDA19988. The slowing down 
would be due to charging the TDA19988 pin capacitance through the resistor. 
I am curious why it did not work in your design. Perhaps I will give it a 
shot

Thank you,
Wojtek

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[beagleboard] Is there a way to prevent BBB to startup automatically when plugged into USB

2015-01-22 Thread leo . bubbling
I keep my BBB plugged into USB but I don't want it to start every time the 
PC starts.
How can I do that?

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[beagleboard] Contamination, SD or eMMC, Root Cause

2015-01-22 Thread bgb123
Please reference paragraph 5.10 on p37 of BBB SRM.
 
Does memory device contamination occur due to open files in the Linux OS, 
or due to improperly sequenced power to a memory devices inadvertently 
writing to a memory device?
 
Thanks,
 
Bruce

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Re: [beagleboard] Is there a way to prevent BBB to startup automatically when plugged into USB

2015-01-22 Thread Robert Nelson
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:20 AM,  leo.bubbl...@socialbubbling.com wrote:
 I keep my BBB plugged into USB but I don't want it to start every time the
 PC starts.
 How can I do that?

Unplug the usb cable?

usb provides power

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RE: [beagleboard] Anyopne using Bitscope

2015-01-22 Thread William Pretty Security
It’s on my To-Do list J

 

No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could 
do only a little.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing 
Edmond Burke (1729 - 1797)

http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/book

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/bill-pretty/2b/b07/602

 

 

From: beagleboard@googlegroups.com [mailto:beagleboard@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Fred Patrick
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:02 AM
To: beagleboard@googlegroups.com
Subject: [beagleboard] Anyopne using Bitscope

 

Is anyone using the Bitscope Micro model 5 or Bitscope BS10 on Beaglebone Black 
projects? I am not parcularly interested in running the software on the 
Beaglebone but rather connecting to a Mac and using the Bitscope to analyse 
breadboard circuits.
Thanks

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Re: [beagleboard] Contamination, SD or eMMC, Root Cause

2015-01-22 Thread Gerald Coley
Most common is powering off the board without mounting the drives under
Linux.

Gerald


On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:00 PM, bgb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please reference paragraph 5.10 on p37 of BBB SRM.

 Does memory device contamination occur due to open files in the Linux OS,
 or due to improperly sequenced power to a memory devices inadvertently
 writing to a memory device?

 Thanks,

 Bruce

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Re: Small distros (was: [beagleboard] debian testing: 2015-01-19)

2015-01-22 Thread Rick Mann

 On Jan 22, 2015, at 07:25 , William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would like to talk more. I've seen some presentations and demos of Linux 
 booting in under a second. That's my primary goal. Secondary is maximizing 
 the free space on the eMMC for content (in my case, MP3 files). I haven't 
 really tried doing a lot in this regard for now, but would like to over the 
 next three months.
 
 I have not personally got there Rick. But just a base minimalfs install, I've 
 persnally seen 10-15s. Which is to say Roberts barefs install. No tweaks.

My project is a radio that benefits greatly from a lighting-fast boot:

http://blog.roderickmann.org/2015/01/podtique/

I would imagine a great many BBB-based devices would benefit from very fast 
boot, although this is only necessary for deployment builds, not necessarily 
for development builds (e.g., you can leave in the u-boot delay on a 
development system).

 And, I probably want to hang on to sshd, since logging in is helpful. But 
 long-term, if it can run my C++ app and the node.js UI I'm building on top 
 of it, and get the C++ app up and running in under 2 seconds, I'll be very 
 happy (the node.js can take longer to start). I'll need Wi-Fi networking, 
 and even that can come up after the C++ app has started, so long as the C++ 
 app can reliably keep trying to make a network connection.
 
 So Roberts barefs install with *just* openssh-server sits at around 75-80M 
 total on disk. I have not installed to eMMC *yet* but have had a working 
 install with openssh-server @ around 80M or slightly less. Then  with Nodejs 
 + express + socket.io + very basic Nodejs app, we're talking 175M. This for 
 me included a ntp client, and a few other base packages like psmisc, and 
 yeah, I'd have to check my install notes which I may / may not have with me 
 at the moment ( I'm out of town again for a few weeks yet - again ).
 
 But the main idea, that for me. I have a base install to do everything I need 
 for a base test-app that can be displayed / configured via a web browser, 
 in around 175-180M total space on disk. But to achieve this I needed a base 
 install NFS share + a development NFS share. The development share is all the 
 tools I needed to compile my own packages for the base install. Including all 
 the dependencies for various things, and stuff like CheckInstall to build 
 packages( debs) for my base install. Where the base image is just the bare 
 minimum installed to run all the stuff I need . . . I know it sounds kind of 
 wonky when i explain it this way. But perhaps when i get a spare week or so 
 to lay it all out in a blog post it can / would sound a bit more coherent ? I 
 have a lot of notes I need to put together . . . Plus I've been trying to get 
 other things done such as trying to show others how to use / setup device 
 tree files for 3.14.x.

I definitely don't need NFS, nor really the ability to build packages on the 
BBB. In fact, I'd love to get to where I'm cross-compiling everything, and 
building a tarball I can easily transfer over. Eventually, I want my app to be 
able to update itself, if not the entire filesystem.

Definitely the blog post will be good, and any good documentation on using 
device trees is critically important (there's too much out there about 3.8.x, 
and not enough about how to do it in 3.14+).

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Robert Nelson robertcnel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Drew Fustini pdp7p...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sounds like you might something derived from Yocto Project.  We just
  had a presentation at my hackerspace about the Yocto Project and Open
  Enea Linux:
  http://www.meetup.com/NERP-Not-Exclusively-Raspberry-Pi/events/219669847/
 
  The speaker, Mark Mills of Enea, gave a demo of running Open Enea
  Linux on a BeagleBone Black.  It appeared to give the flexibility of
  Yocto to tailor the system to your needs while also offering a large
  number of binary packages:
  http://www.enea.com/en-US/solutions/Enea-Linux/Open-Enea-Linux/
 
  (Personally though I am partial to Debian and the Robert's console
  images have always been sufficient for my needs)
 
 
 There's also an opportunity for someone to work on the ubuntu core
 snappy, one of the big road blocks at my attempts at a  64Mb debian
 image... 'apt - dpkg - perl' is a big dependency..
 
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Re: Small distros (was: [beagleboard] debian testing: 2015-01-19)

2015-01-22 Thread Rick Mann
I think we're talking at cross purposes here. I just want a BBB that boots very 
fast. Secondarily, I want to maximize space on the eMMC for content. Thirdly, 
I'd prefer to do builds on a host computer, not on the BBB. It's slow, and 
requires a bunch more stuff to be installed on it.

I just need to cross-build my binary and copy over the the files that make up 
my webserver. I can do that with scp. Every now and again I may need to 
cross-build linux. The less stuff in any of those steps, the faster everything 
goes.

 On Jan 22, 2015, at 21:39 , William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I definitely don't need NFS, nor really the ability to build packages on the 
 BBB. In fact, I'd love to get to where I'm cross-compiling everything, and 
 building a tarball I can easily transfer over. Eventually, I want my app to 
 be able to update itself, if not the entire filesystem.
 
 You're missing the point Rick. You do not NEED NFS, a rootfs can be any 
 number of places. NFS share, sdcard eMMC, usb harddrive. Whatever. Also, you 
 do realize how easy it is to move a root file system ? I use NFS *only* 
 because I do not have to use destructive MMC media. While developing. Well 
 it is also very convenient for being able to serve up multiple root file 
 systems for various purposes. Anyway, if I could show you people how easy it 
 is to use NFS shares are to use, then how easy it is to move file systems 
 around under linux . . .  I'm pretty sure at least half of you out there 
 would be using multiple forms.
 
 Anyway, yeah, cross compile Nodejs, and then write a blog, and share with the 
 community/ Personally, I'd rather spend that time doing something else. It 
 would be awesome if you did, do not get me wrong. But I do not think it is 
 worth yours, or anyones time.
 
 Definitely the blog post will be good, and any good documentation on using 
 device trees is critically important (there's too much out there about 3.8.x, 
 and not enough about how to do it in 3.14+).
 
 
 We'll see. Right now I'm out of town and will be for at least a couple more 
 weeks. It'd very doubtful I will write anything while out on the road.
 
 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Graham gra...@flex-radio.com wrote:
 Rick:
 
 You are building a tube radio simulator
 Get some Orange LEDs and put them in the box under dimmer control.
 Tell them the boot delay is the filaments warming up.
 Why do you need 1 second?  :-)
 
 I time a BBB Rev C, booting off a uSD card with Debian 7.7 Console up and
 running in 20 seconds. It would probably be even faster booting out of eMMC.
 Occupies 217MB on the uSD.
 
 --- Graham
 
 
 --- Graham
 
 ==
 
 
 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:17:48 PM UTC-6, Rick M wrote:
 
  On Jan 22, 2015, at 07:25 , William Hermans yyr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  I would like to talk more. I've seen some presentations and demos of Linux 
  booting in under a second. That's my primary goal. Secondary is maximizing 
  the free space on the eMMC for content (in my case, MP3 files). I haven't 
  really tried doing a lot in this regard for now, but would like to over 
  the next three months. 
  
  I have not personally got there Rick. But just a base minimalfs install, 
  I've persnally seen 10-15s. Which is to say Roberts barefs install. No 
  tweaks. 
 
 My project is a radio that benefits greatly from a lighting-fast boot: 
 
 http://blog.roderickmann.org/2015/01/podtique/ 
 
 I would imagine a great many BBB-based devices would benefit from very fast 
 boot, although this is only necessary for deployment builds, not necessarily 
 for development builds (e.g., you can leave in the u-boot delay on a 
 development system). 
 
  And, I probably want to hang on to sshd, since logging in is helpful. But 
  long-term, if it can run my C++ app and the node.js UI I'm building on top 
  of it, and get the C++ app up and running in under 2 seconds, I'll be very 
  happy (the node.js can take longer to start). I'll need Wi-Fi networking, 
  and even that can come up after the C++ app has started, so long as the 
  C++ app can reliably keep trying to make a network connection. 
  
  So Roberts barefs install with *just* openssh-server sits at around 75-80M 
  total on disk. I have not installed to eMMC *yet* but have had a working 
  install with openssh-server @ around 80M or slightly less. Then  with 
  Nodejs + express + socket.io + very basic Nodejs app, we're talking 175M. 
  This for me included a ntp client, and a few other base packages like 
  psmisc, and yeah, I'd have to check my install notes which I may / may not 
  have with me at the moment ( I'm out of town again for a few weeks yet - 
  again ). 
  
  But the main idea, that for me. I have a base install to do everything I 
  need for a base test-app that can be displayed / configured via a web 
  browser, in around 175-180M total space on disk. But to achieve this I 
  needed a base install NFS share + a development NFS share. The development 
  share