[beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread Karl Easterly 
Trying to update the flash to Debian 8.3 and initially I get the back and 
forth Knight Rider pattern. Then, after a bit I get just 4 double blink 
leds every half second or so. Looks like a few others have seen this, but 
no conversation around the issue or possible solutions.

My raspberry pi's work just fine, and when I do have a problem I can find 
answers fairly quickly.

It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful resources 
for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new image from 
their site'... that's the last straw.

Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do the 
same.


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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread Robert Nelson 
On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:
>
> Trying to update the flash to Debian 8.3 and initially I get the back and
forth Knight Rider pattern. Then, after a bit I get just 4 double blink
leds every half second or so. Looks like a few others have seen this, but
no conversation around the issue or possible solutions.

That's a flashing failure, usually caused by a weak or bad 5v DC power
supply. (2a)...

If your powering via USB, well that's why..

Or if you did something obvious wrong.. 4gb image on a 2gb board.

>
> My raspberry pi's work just fine, and when I do have a problem I can find
answers fairly quickly.
>
> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>
> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do the
same.

'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's only
one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time either..

Regards,

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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread Robert P. J. Day 

Quoting Robert Nelson :


On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:



It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful

resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
image from their site'... that's the last straw.


Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do the

same.

'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's only
one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time either..


  how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?

rday


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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread Peter Lawler 
On 21 Mar 2016 06:28, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:

> Mine are going in the trash

Seriously?

Don't trash em. Send em to me. Email me your details and I'll pay for
shipping if you like.

PO Box 195
Lindisfarne
Tasmania
AUSTRALIA 7015

P.

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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread William Hermans 
>
> *Trying to update the flash to Debian 8.3 and initially I get the back and
> forth Knight Rider pattern. Then, after a bit I get just 4 double blink
> leds every half second or so. Looks like a few others have seen this, but
> no conversation around the issue or possible solutions.*
>
> *My raspberry pi's work just fine, and when I do have a problem I can find
> answers fairly quickly.*
>
> *It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
> image from their site'... that's the last straw.*
>
> *Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do the
> same.*
>

If that's the mentality you're going to take, then I say don't let the door
hit you in the ass on your way out . . .But it is in no way the fault or
responsibility of anyone in this community that *you* have problems with
customizing your software. You had a working image on it when it shipped to
you, you take responsibility when you attempt to customize the software.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Peter Lawler  wrote:

>
> On 21 Mar 2016 06:28, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:
>
> > Mine are going in the trash
>
> Seriously?
>
> Don't trash em. Send em to me. Email me your details and I'll pay for
> shipping if you like.
>
> PO Box 195
> Lindisfarne
> Tasmania
> AUSTRALIA 7015
>
> P.
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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread evilwulfie 
Reading this made me laugh.



On 3/20/2016 3:49 PM, William Hermans wrote:
>
> /Trying to update the flash to Debian 8.3 and initially I get the
> back and forth Knight Rider pattern. Then, after a bit I get just
> 4 double blink leds every half second or so. Looks like a few
> others have seen this, but no conversation around the issue or
> possible solutions./
> /
> /
> /My raspberry pi's work just fine, and when I do have a problem I
> can find answers fairly quickly./
> /
> /
> /It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from
> a new image from their site'... that's the last straw./
> /
> /
> /Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere
> to do the same./
>
>
> If that's the mentality you're going to take, then I say don't let the
> door hit you in the ass on your way out . . .But it is in no way the
> fault or responsibility of anyone in this community that *you* have
> problems with customizing your software. You had a working image on it
> when it shipped to you, you take responsibility when you attempt to
> customize the software.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Peter Lawler  > wrote:
>
>
> On 21 Mar 2016 06:28, "Karl Easterly"  > wrote:
>
> > Mine are going in the trash
>
> Seriously?
>
> Don't trash em. Send em to me. Email me your details and I'll pay
> for shipping if you like.
>
> PO Box 195
> Lindisfarne
> Tasmania
> AUSTRALIA 7015
>
> P.
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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-20 Thread David Good 
I'm sorry to hear the frustration Karl, but actually I'm on the other arc:
Pi to BeagleBone.  The Pi has a lot going for it, but I get the feeling
it's trying to craft an Arduion-like experience.  That's great for messing
around, but my experience was that as soon as you leave the well worn path,
you realize that the edges are a bit guarded.  That might be putting it a
little strongly, but I couldn't figure out how to get the correct kernel
headers for the stock image to try and create LKMs.

--David

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 10:32 PM, evilwulfie  wrote:

> Reading this made me laugh.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/20/2016 3:49 PM, William Hermans wrote:
>
> *Trying to update the flash to Debian 8.3 and initially I get the back and
>> forth Knight Rider pattern. Then, after a bit I get just 4 double blink
>> leds every half second or so. Looks like a few others have seen this, but
>> no conversation around the issue or possible solutions.*
>>
>> *My raspberry pi's work just fine, and when I do have a problem I can
>> find answers fairly quickly.*
>>
>> *It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
>> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
>> image from their site'... that's the last straw.*
>>
>> *Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do
>> the same.*
>>
>
> If that's the mentality you're going to take, then I say don't let the
> door hit you in the ass on your way out . . .But it is in no way the fault
> or responsibility of anyone in this community that *you* have problems with
> customizing your software. You had a working image on it when it shipped to
> you, you take responsibility when you attempt to customize the software.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Peter Lawler 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 21 Mar 2016 06:28, "Karl Easterly" < 
>> k.s.easte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Mine are going in the trash
>>
>> Seriously?
>>
>> Don't trash em. Send em to me. Email me your details and I'll pay for
>> shipping if you like.
>>
>> PO Box 195
>> Lindisfarne
>> Tasmania
>> AUSTRALIA 7015
>>
>> P.
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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread Karl Easterly 
Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)

The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help is
not an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a dead
product.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day 
wrote:

> Quoting Robert Nelson :
>
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:
>>
>
> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
>>>
>> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
>> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>>
>>>
>>> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do the
>>>
>> same.
>>
>> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's only
>> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time either..
>>
>
>   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
> solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?
>
> rday
>
>
>

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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread ChrisB 
My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the progress I've 
made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts and code 
repositories.  And every time I think I have an original question or 
observation, a little searching online finds the answer or a similar 
developer experience.  It's not easy getting things to work some of the 
time, but tenaciousness pays off for the most part.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums and share 
their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to contribute in the near 
future and can start paying you all back.

Chris Burak

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:
>
> Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)
>
> The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help is 
> not an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a dead 
> product.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day  > wrote:
>
>> Quoting Robert Nelson >:
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>
>> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful

>>> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
>>> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>>>

 Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do 
 the

>>> same.
>>>
>>> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's only
>>> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time 
>>> either..
>>>
>>
>>   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
>> solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?
>>
>> rday
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread Karl Easterly 
to be a bit more nice about my grandious statement that the BBB is dead..
here is a bit of history.

I have been working with products like this for about 18 years. Small form
factor boards like the basic stamps and zworld jack rabbits to todays rasp
pi's and bbb's and the banana pros and such and such

the raspberry has a great community.. and the BBB doesnt. I have had
numerous instances where i was using the BBB and found an issue and there
are only crickets sounding on google.

I am not saying the BBB is a bad board as it is clearly a nice peice of
engineering.. i am saying the product BBB will pass into the past while the
rasp pi will persist.

id advise you leave this BBB behind as it has no value looking toward the
future. this ship has sunk.

and thats a bummer in many ways.
On Mar 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "ChrisB"  wrote:

> My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the progress I've
> made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts and code
> repositories.  And every time I think I have an original question or
> observation, a little searching online finds the answer or a similar
> developer experience.  It's not easy getting things to work some of the
> time, but tenaciousness pays off for the most part.
>
> Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums and
> share their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to contribute in the
> near future and can start paying you all back.
>
> Chris Burak
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:
>>
>> Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)
>>
>> The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help is
>> not an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a dead
>> product.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Robert Nelson :
>>>
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:

>>>
>>> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
>
 resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
 image from their site'... that's the last straw.

>
> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do
> the
>
 same.

 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's
 only
 one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time
 either..

>>>
>>>   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
>>> solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?
>>>
>>> rday
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread evilwulfie 
Nobody has forced you to use the BBB.
Nobody has forced you to even LIKE the BBB

As long as you feel that way remove yourself from the list and we will
not be bothered
by you anymore.


On 3/22/2016 4:42 PM, Karl Easterly wrote:
>
> to be a bit more nice about my grandious statement that the BBB is
> dead.. here is a bit of history.
>
> I have been working with products like this for about 18 years. Small
> form factor boards like the basic stamps and zworld jack rabbits to
> todays rasp pi's and bbb's and the banana pros and such and such
>
> the raspberry has a great community.. and the BBB doesnt. I have had
> numerous instances where i was using the BBB and found an issue and
> there are only crickets sounding on google.
>
> I am not saying the BBB is a bad board as it is clearly a nice peice
> of engineering.. i am saying the product BBB will pass into the past
> while the rasp pi will persist.
>
> id advise you leave this BBB behind as it has no value looking toward
> the future. this ship has sunk.
>
> and thats a bummer in many ways.
>
> On Mar 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "ChrisB"  > wrote:
>
> My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the
> progress I've made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts
> and code repositories.  And every time I think I have an original
> question or observation, a little searching online finds the
> answer or a similar developer experience.  It's not easy getting
> things to work some of the time, but tenaciousness pays off for
> the most part.
>
> Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums
> and share their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to
> contribute in the near future and can start paying you all back.
>
> Chris Burak
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:
>
> Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)
>
> The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse
> self help is not an option. A sparse community around this
> type of product equals a dead product.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day
>  wrote:
>
> Quoting Robert Nelson :
>
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"
>  wrote:
>
>
> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There
> is no meaningful
>
> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't
> 'reset from a new
> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>
>
> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise
> anyone everywhere to do the
>
> same.
>
> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on
> here.. If it's only
> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to
> waste time either..
>
>
>   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right
> now*** and
> solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?
>
> rday
>
>
>
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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread Gerald Coley 
Source has been noted.

Gerald
On Mar 22, 2016 6:52 PM, "evilwulfie"  wrote:

> Nobody has forced you to use the BBB.
> Nobody has forced you to even LIKE the BBB
>
> As long as you feel that way remove yourself from the list and we will not
> be bothered
> by you anymore.
>
>
> On 3/22/2016 4:42 PM, Karl Easterly wrote:
>
> to be a bit more nice about my grandious statement that the BBB is dead..
> here is a bit of history.
>
> I have been working with products like this for about 18 years. Small form
> factor boards like the basic stamps and zworld jack rabbits to todays rasp
> pi's and bbb's and the banana pros and such and such
>
> the raspberry has a great community.. and the BBB doesnt. I have had
> numerous instances where i was using the BBB and found an issue and there
> are only crickets sounding on google.
>
> I am not saying the BBB is a bad board as it is clearly a nice peice of
> engineering.. i am saying the product BBB will pass into the past while the
> rasp pi will persist.
>
> id advise you leave this BBB behind as it has no value looking toward the
> future. this ship has sunk.
>
> and thats a bummer in many ways.
> On Mar 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "ChrisB"  wrote:
>
>> My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the progress
>> I've made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts and code
>> repositories.  And every time I think I have an original question or
>> observation, a little searching online finds the answer or a similar
>> developer experience.  It's not easy getting things to work some of the
>> time, but tenaciousness pays off for the most part.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums and
>> share their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to contribute in the
>> near future and can start paying you all back.
>>
>> Chris Burak
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:
>>>
>>> Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)
>>>
>>> The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help
>>> is not an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a
>>> dead product.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day >> > wrote:
>>>
 Quoting Robert Nelson :

 On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:
>

 It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
>>
> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a
> new
> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>
>>
>> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do
>> the
>>
> same.
>
> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's
> only
> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time
> either..
>

   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
 solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?

 rday



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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread John Syne 
For someone who has been "working with products like this for 18 years", you 
would think he would be able to help himself by now. Yet he still thinks he is 
smarter than the rest of us, advising us to “leave this BBB”. Well, Karl, there 
are many more smarter people here who think BBB is way better than Raspberry Pi 
because of the open source hardware design, unlike the proprietary hardware 
design of the Raspberry Pi. You cannot even by the processor used on the 
Raspberry Pi. I think you have completely missed the value offered by the 
BeagleBoard organization. In addition, the BBB includes two PRU processors who 
have a cycle time of 5ns which is very important for realtime control 
functions. Cannot do that with the Raspberry Pi. Clearly you have no clue, so 
your advise has no value here. 

Regards,
John




> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Karl Easterly  wrote:
> 
> to be a bit more nice about my grandious statement that the BBB is dead.. 
> here is a bit of history.
> 
> I have been working with products like this for about 18 years. Small form 
> factor boards like the basic stamps and zworld jack rabbits to todays rasp 
> pi's and bbb's and the banana pros and such and such
> 
> the raspberry has a great community.. and the BBB doesnt. I have had numerous 
> instances where i was using the BBB and found an issue and there are only 
> crickets sounding on google.
> 
> I am not saying the BBB is a bad board as it is clearly a nice peice of 
> engineering.. i am saying the product BBB will pass into the past while the 
> rasp pi will persist.
> 
> id advise you leave this BBB behind as it has no value looking toward the 
> future. this ship has sunk.
> 
> and thats a bummer in many ways.
> 
> On Mar 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "ChrisB"  > wrote:
> My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the progress I've 
> made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts and code repositories.  
> And every time I think I have an original question or observation, a little 
> searching online finds the answer or a similar developer experience.  It's 
> not easy getting things to work some of the time, but tenaciousness pays off 
> for the most part.
> 
> Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums and share 
> their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to contribute in the near 
> future and can start paying you all back.
> 
> Chris Burak
> 
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:
> Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)
> 
> The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help is not 
> an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a dead 
> product.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day > 
> wrote:
> Quoting Robert Nelson >:
> 
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly" > wrote:
> 
> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a new
> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
> 
> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do the
> same.
> 
> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's only
> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time either..
> 
>   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
> solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?
> 
> rday
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread William Hermans 
Yeah well those Rabbit semi boards actually are not bad, its the software
stack you're forced to use with them that is horrible. Wulf and I built an
ethernet connected lead acid charge controller using one of these and the
crappy compiler you're forced to use introduced random bugs that where hard
to track down. On top of that Rabbit semi community help was terrible.
Snobs who think because you're a developer that you should instantly know
everything about embedded hardware. Thus my experiences with the
"community" which was actually a single person / engineer at rabbit semi
was a very bad experience.

Then ill tell you what. The rPI is a toy. It does a few small things well.
But for a true embedded board, in most cases it is garbage. The actual
physical engineering could even stand to use some work. Such as the surface
mounted full sized sdcard . . . terrible, terrible design decision. If you
can not figure out why, then you're not much of an engineer.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 6:42 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> For someone who has been "working with products like this for 18 years",
> you would think he would be able to help himself by now. Yet he still
> thinks he is smarter than the rest of us, advising us to “leave this BBB”.
> Well, Karl, there are many more smarter people here who think BBB is way
> better than Raspberry Pi because of the open source hardware design, unlike
> the proprietary hardware design of the Raspberry Pi. You cannot even by the
> processor used on the Raspberry Pi. I think you have completely missed the
> value offered by the BeagleBoard organization. In addition, the BBB
> includes two PRU processors who have a cycle time of 5ns which is very
> important for realtime control functions. Cannot do that with the Raspberry
> Pi. Clearly you have no clue, so your advise has no value here.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Karl Easterly 
> wrote:
>
> to be a bit more nice about my grandious statement that the BBB is dead..
> here is a bit of history.
>
> I have been working with products like this for about 18 years. Small form
> factor boards like the basic stamps and zworld jack rabbits to todays rasp
> pi's and bbb's and the banana pros and such and such
>
> the raspberry has a great community.. and the BBB doesnt. I have had
> numerous instances where i was using the BBB and found an issue and there
> are only crickets sounding on google.
>
> I am not saying the BBB is a bad board as it is clearly a nice peice of
> engineering.. i am saying the product BBB will pass into the past while the
> rasp pi will persist.
>
> id advise you leave this BBB behind as it has no value looking toward the
> future. this ship has sunk.
>
> and thats a bummer in many ways.
> On Mar 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "ChrisB"  wrote:
>
>> My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the progress
>> I've made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts and code
>> repositories.  And every time I think I have an original question or
>> observation, a little searching online finds the answer or a similar
>> developer experience.  It's not easy getting things to work some of the
>> time, but tenaciousness pays off for the most part.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums and
>> share their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to contribute in the
>> near future and can start paying you all back.
>>
>> Chris Burak
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:
>>>
>>> Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)
>>>
>>> The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help
>>> is not an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a
>>> dead product.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day >> > wrote:
>>>
 Quoting Robert Nelson :

 On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:
>

 It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
>>
> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a
> new
> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>
>>
>> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to do
>> the
>>
> same.
>
> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's
> only
> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time
> either..
>

   how *dare* everyone not drop what they're doing ***right now*** and
 solve my problem during the first weekend of march madness?

 rday



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Re: [beagleboard] looks like the BeagleBone Black and this community is dead. Cannot even flash 8.3.

2016-03-22 Thread William Hermans 
Oh, and by the way, this hardware and community is 100% open source. If
you've got a problem that us supposedly crapper community helpers can help
you with. Go download the schematics, or source code and figure it out for
yourself. Unles of course as I suspect you're not a real engineer, but some
kid who just wants to use his rPI as a settop gimmick for his tv . . .

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:36 PM, William Hermans  wrote:

> Yeah well those Rabbit semi boards actually are not bad, its the software
> stack you're forced to use with them that is horrible. Wulf and I built an
> ethernet connected lead acid charge controller using one of these and the
> crappy compiler you're forced to use introduced random bugs that where hard
> to track down. On top of that Rabbit semi community help was terrible.
> Snobs who think because you're a developer that you should instantly know
> everything about embedded hardware. Thus my experiences with the
> "community" which was actually a single person / engineer at rabbit semi
> was a very bad experience.
>
> Then ill tell you what. The rPI is a toy. It does a few small things well.
> But for a true embedded board, in most cases it is garbage. The actual
> physical engineering could even stand to use some work. Such as the surface
> mounted full sized sdcard . . . terrible, terrible design decision. If you
> can not figure out why, then you're not much of an engineer.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 6:42 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>
>> For someone who has been "working with products like this for 18 years",
>> you would think he would be able to help himself by now. Yet he still
>> thinks he is smarter than the rest of us, advising us to “leave this BBB”.
>> Well, Karl, there are many more smarter people here who think BBB is way
>> better than Raspberry Pi because of the open source hardware design, unlike
>> the proprietary hardware design of the Raspberry Pi. You cannot even by the
>> processor used on the Raspberry Pi. I think you have completely missed the
>> value offered by the BeagleBoard organization. In addition, the BBB
>> includes two PRU processors who have a cycle time of 5ns which is very
>> important for realtime control functions. Cannot do that with the Raspberry
>> Pi. Clearly you have no clue, so your advise has no value here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Karl Easterly 
>> wrote:
>>
>> to be a bit more nice about my grandious statement that the BBB is dead..
>> here is a bit of history.
>>
>> I have been working with products like this for about 18 years. Small
>> form factor boards like the basic stamps and zworld jack rabbits to todays
>> rasp pi's and bbb's and the banana pros and such and such
>>
>> the raspberry has a great community.. and the BBB doesnt. I have had
>> numerous instances where i was using the BBB and found an issue and there
>> are only crickets sounding on google.
>>
>> I am not saying the BBB is a bad board as it is clearly a nice peice of
>> engineering.. i am saying the product BBB will pass into the past while the
>> rasp pi will persist.
>>
>> id advise you leave this BBB behind as it has no value looking toward the
>> future. this ship has sunk.
>>
>> and thats a bummer in many ways.
>> On Mar 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "ChrisB"  wrote:
>>
>>> My experience has been quite different.  Pretty much all the progress
>>> I've made with the BBB was enabled by various forum posts and code
>>> repositories.  And every time I think I have an original question or
>>> observation, a little searching online finds the answer or a similar
>>> developer experience.  It's not easy getting things to work some of the
>>> time, but tenaciousness pays off for the most part.
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks to everyone who's spent the time to post on forums and
>>> share their code!  Hopefully, I will have something to contribute in the
>>> near future and can start paying you all back.
>>>
>>> Chris Burak
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-6, Karl Easterly wrote:

 Ya.. I didn't ask for help.. as you noticed :)

 The point is the community for the beagle board is so sparse self help
 is not an option. A sparse community around this type of product equals a
 dead product.

 On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Robert P. J. Day <
 rpj...@crashcourse.ca> wrote:

> Quoting Robert Nelson :
>
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:28 PM, "Karl Easterly"  wrote:
>>
>
> It's clear that the BBB is a dead product. There is no meaningful
>>>
>> resources for issues, and when the system simply won't 'reset from a
>> new
>> image from their site'... that's the last straw.
>>
>>>
>>> Mine are going in the trash and I will advise anyone everywhere to
>>> do the
>>>
>> same.
>>
>> 'Last straw', I've don't remember you ever posting on here.. If it's
>> only
>> one and done for you, then there's no reason for me to waste time
>> either