RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Joel Hughes

MySQL sounds like your answer Teddy. Runs perfectly well on Linux and
Windows.


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Hi all,

I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like to
learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

Is there such a thing?
Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
am a beginner in Perl.

Thank you.

Teddy,
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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Paul Arsenault

MySQL is a relational database.

Taken from the mysql documentation page at 
http://www.mysql.org/documentation/mysql/bychapter/manual_Introduction.html#Features

MySQL is a relational database management system.
A relational database stores data in separate tables rather than putting all 
the data in one big storeroom. This adds speed and flexibility. The tables 
are linked by defined relations making it possible to combine data from 
several tables on request. The SQL part of ``MySQL'' stands for ``Structured 
Query Language''@-the most common standardised language used to access 
databases.


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From: David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: perl beginners cgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:32:25 -0500

Teddy --

...and then Octavian Rasnita said...
%
% Hi all,

Hello!


%
% I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like 
to
% learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

mysql is a lean, fast, excellent choice.  I'm looking into the same sort
of question, though, and have found that mysql is not relational (and
also takes some other shortcuts), and so if you just want *a* database
it's fine but if you want to learn on one so that you can grow into
another PostgreSQL might be better; it's relational and much more like
the big guys.  It is, of course, available for Linux, and although I
don't know about a native Win32 port I do know that it's now available
under Cygwin.


%
% Is there such a thing?

Of course :-)


% Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because 
I
% am a beginner in Perl.

If you *really* want to keep it simple, be sure to use DBI and do your
calls through there so that you don't go falling off into specifics of
each database.  From what I've found, DBI code is extremely portable,
while writing your own SQL gets messy.


%
% Thank you.

HTH  HAND


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% Teddy,
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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Fred Sahakian

depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular

 Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
Hi all,

I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like to
learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

Is there such a thing?
Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
am a beginner in Perl.

Thank you.

Teddy,
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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Camilo Gonzalez

That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl over using
PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.

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Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?


depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular

 Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
Hi all,

I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like to
learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

Is there such a thing?
Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
am a beginner in Perl.

Thank you.

Teddy,
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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Fred Sahakian

99% of my databases have been small, so flatfile databases are fine, the Perl can 
handle it as well as the servers.  When you get into hundreds of thousands of records, 
that's different-- then you need something stable, fast, and flexible.

 Camilo Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/07/02 11:56AM 
That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl over using
PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.

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Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?


depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular

 Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
Hi all,

I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like to
learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

Is there such a thing?
Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
am a beginner in Perl.

Thank you.

Teddy,
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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Nikola Janceski

Perl a dying language?

are you nutz?!?!?!

Haven't you been reading the Apocalypse pages for PERL 6??!?!?
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/apocalypse/  apocalypse 1-4
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html apocalypse 5 (pattern
matching will never be the same)

I get a w**dy just thinking about it.



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 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:57 AM
 To: 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?
 
 
 That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl 
 over using
 PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.
 
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 From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:52 AM
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 Cc: 
 Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?
 
 
 depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular
 
  Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
 Hi all,
 
 I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but 
 I would like to
 learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.
 
 Is there such a thing?
 Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as 
 possible because I
 am a beginner in Perl.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Teddy,
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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Gary Stainburn

Hi all,

Having spoken to consultants/teachers that  I know, their experience matches 
my own.

When teaching, they prefer PHP. When programming they prefer Perl.

It's basically horses for courses.  I use PHP for what it's always been 
designed for which is creating dynamic web content.  For application 
development (batch, console, complex CGI etc) I use Perl.

The big advantage here is that wil PostgreSQL being the back end I can easily 
combine both languages in a project as appropriate.

Gary

On Friday 07 June 2002 4:56 pm, Camilo Gonzalez wrote:
 That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl over using
 PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.

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 depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular

  Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 

 Hi all,

 I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like
 to learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

 Is there such a thing?
 Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
 am a beginner in Perl.

 Thank you.

 Teddy,
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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Camilo Gonzalez

Forgive me Nikola. In this business you need to stay as marketable as
possible. I don't want to go to a potential employer with six years of Perl
on my resume, to be beaten out by somebody with 2 years of PHP on theirs. 

-Original Message-
From: Nikola Janceski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:06 AM
To: 'Camilo Gonzalez'; 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?


Perl a dying language?

are you nutz?!?!?!

Haven't you been reading the Apocalypse pages for PERL 6??!?!?
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/apocalypse/  apocalypse 1-4
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html apocalypse 5 (pattern
matching will never be the same)

I get a w**dy just thinking about it.



 -Original Message-
 From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:57 AM
 To: 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 
 Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?
 
 
 That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl 
 over using
 PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.
 
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 From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 
 Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?
 
 
 depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular
 
  Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
 Hi all,
 
 I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but 
 I would like to
 learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.
 
 Is there such a thing?
 Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as 
 possible because I
 am a beginner in Perl.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Teddy,
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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Nikola Janceski

well.. I have 6 years Perl.. but I don't do web design, and no PHP
programmer has been me out of a position yet.
I am not shooting down PHP, but Perl has many many advantages over PHP, but
PHP is better for DB access via a web front. But Perl is better at backend
access and overall reporting (not DB reports alone). It's just not a dead or
dying language. I think with Perl 6 it will have much renewed vigour.

Remember all languages have there advantages and disadavantages.

[rant]
C/C++: number crunch/OS masters
Perl: parsing masters
PHP: DB/CGI masters
VB: GUI masters
[/rant]

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 Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?
 
 
 Forgive me Nikola. In this business you need to stay as marketable as
 possible. I don't want to go to a potential employer with six 
 years of Perl
 on my resume, to be beaten out by somebody with 2 years of 
 PHP on theirs. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nikola Janceski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:06 AM
 To: 'Camilo Gonzalez'; 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 
 Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?
 
 
 Perl a dying language?
 
 are you nutz?!?!?!
 
 Haven't you been reading the Apocalypse pages for PERL 6??!?!?
 http://dev.perl.org/perl6/apocalypse/  apocalypse 1-4
 http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html apocalypse 5 (pattern
 matching will never be the same)
 
 I get a w**dy just thinking about it.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:57 AM
  To: 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: 
  Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?
  
  
  That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl 
  over using
  PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.
  
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  From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:52 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?
  
  
  depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular
  
   Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
  Hi all,
  
  I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but 
  I would like to
  learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.
  
  Is there such a thing?
  Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as 
  possible because I
  am a beginner in Perl.
  
  Thank you.
  
  Teddy,
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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Mike Rapuano

Camilo --
 
If you've done any research at all you would know that learning perl
will not make you less marketable.  And if I were you, I would not
Marry myself to one scripting language;)
 
Mike
 

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Sent: Fri 6/7/2002 12:12 PM 
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Forgive me Nikola. In this business you need to stay as
marketable as
possible. I don't want to go to a potential employer with six
years of Perl
on my resume, to be beaten out by somebody with 2 years of PHP
on theirs.

-Original Message-
From: Nikola Janceski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:06 AM
To: 'Camilo Gonzalez'; 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 
Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?


Perl a dying language?

are you nutz?!?!?!

Haven't you been reading the Apocalypse pages for PERL 6??!?!?
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/apocalypse/  apocalypse 1-4
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html apocalypse 5
(pattern
matching will never be the same)

I get a w**dy just thinking about it.



 -Original Message-
 From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:57 AM
 To: 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 
 Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?


 That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl
 over using
 PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.

 -Original Message-
 From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 
 Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?


 depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular

  Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
 Hi all,

 I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but
 I would like to
 learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

 Is there such a thing?
 Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as
 possible because I
 am a beginner in Perl.

 Thank you.

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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Fred Sahakian

dont put your eggs in one basket, as they say...

 Mike Rapuano [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/07/02 12:24PM 
Camilo --

If you've done any research at all you would know that learning perl
will not make you less marketable.  And if I were you, I would not
Marry myself to one scripting language;)

Mike


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Forgive me Nikola. In this business you need to stay as
marketable as
possible. I don't want to go to a potential employer with six
years of Perl
on my resume, to be beaten out by somebody with 2 years of PHP
on theirs.

-Original Message-
From: Nikola Janceski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:06 AM
To: 'Camilo Gonzalez'; 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 
Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?


Perl a dying language?

are you nutz?!?!?!

Haven't you been reading the Apocalypse pages for PERL 6??!?!?
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/apocalypse/  apocalypse 1-4
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html apocalypse 5
(pattern
matching will never be the same)

I get a w**dy just thinking about it.



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 From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:57 AM
 To: 'Fred Sahakian'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 
 Subject: RE: What database would your recommend?


 That's a good point. Are there still advantages to using Perl
 over using
 PHP? I'd be bummed to hear I'm using a dying language.

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 From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:52 AM
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 Cc: 
 Subject: Re: What database would your recommend?


 depends what you need to do, PHP has become VERY popular

  Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/05/02 10:58PM 
 Hi all,

 I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but
 I would like to
 learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

 Is there such a thing?
 Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as
 possible because I
 am a beginner in Perl.

 Thank you.

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RE: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread James Kelty

I would go for Postgres, if I were you. Relational, transactions, and
foreign key assignments. May be a little slower than MySQL, but pretty much
the same in stability.

-James


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Hi all,

I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like to
learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

Is there such a thing?
Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
am a beginner in Perl.

Thank you.

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[OT] Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread John Brooking

Not to be pedantic, but isn't PHP a *language*, not a
database? So you could use almost any particular
database with either PHP or Perl. Or does PHP have
it's own built-in database and that's what you meant?

(I looked at PHP a little once, and I have to admit a
knee-jerk negative reaction to a language that relies
on indentation for intuiting program flow. [Please
avoid copying this list on any religious responses to
that last sentence; take it up with me personally if
you must.])

Of course, if we're being pedantic, I would point out
that this whole thread has been off-topic from the
start, but just I'll content myself with prefixing the
subject with [OT].

- John

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Re: [OT] Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread David T-G

John, et al --

...and then John Brooking said...
% 
% Not to be pedantic, but isn't PHP a *language*, not a
% database? So you could use almost any particular

Yes, it is; it doesn't have its own database built in.  For someone
starting out doing web stuff it wouldn't be bad to pick up, even if it
isn't a four-letter word.


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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread David T-G

Paul --

Thanks for the reply.

...and then Paul Arsenault said...
% 
% MySQL is a relational database.
% 
% Taken from the mysql documentation page at 
% http://www.mysql.org/documentation/mysql/bychapter/manual_Introduction.html#Features
% 
% MySQL is a relational database management system.

Hmmm...  That is a pretty compelling point :-)


% A relational database stores data in separate tables rather than putting 
% all the data in one big storeroom. This adds speed and flexibility. The 
% tables are linked by defined relations making it possible to combine data 
% from several tables on request. The SQL part of ``MySQL'' stands for 
% ``Structured Query Language''@-the most common standardised language used 
% to access databases.

OK, I get that.  I still have to figure out what relations really are
(example help but I don't deal with employees and salaries so *my*
examples would probably be more helpful :-) but I got this from a couple
of DB buddies, one of whom had been a long-time mysql lover but had
turned to pgres because he ran into problems under mysql (the other guy,
a die-hard Oracle man, will use nothing else anyway).  Now I have to go
back and pin him down on what he meant since his statement so obviously
contradicts the docs.


% 
% 
% Paul Arsenault, CCNA
% [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Thanks  HAND

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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread David T-G

Paul, et al --

...and then Paul Arsenault said...
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% MySQL is a relational database.

I've followed up and have more information -- sort of.  My pal couldn't
provide hard data but pointed not only to extra stuff like transactions
(I don't think anyone is saying that transactions are part of what makes
up relational) but stored procedures, foreign keys, and better joins.
Perhaps the difference in relational and whopping big powerful
relational.

Good news for me, though, because mysql is available out of the box at
my server and I can still learn not just DB but RDB interfacing.  Thanks
a lot for the pointer!


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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread Paul Arsenault

Relational databasing just means that there are keys associated between the 
different databases that allows the database software to easily make matches 
from one database table to another very quickly and efficiently.  I don't 
know if you've ever heard the term primary key before, but it simply 
refers to a unique identifier that is common to the database tables and 
uniquely identifies one and only one object in each of the databases.  I 
believe that's what makes up a relational database.  As for transactions, 
only very high-end commercial databases (such as your friend's Oracle) 
support transactions.  They are only required in applications such as 
real-time transactions.  For example...Etrade.com would use Oracle probably 
to control all trading, and amazon.com would use Oracle to control all 
inventory and purchases.  I hope this answers some of your questions.



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Re: What database would your recommend?

2002-06-07 Thread fliptop

Paul Arsenault wrote:

 database.  As for transactions, only very high-end commercial databases 
 (such as your friend's Oracle) support transactions.  They are only 


that's not true - postgresql supports transactions.

and according to this page:

http://www.mysql.com/doc/I/n/InnoDB_transaction_model.html

mysql now supports them also.


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What database would your recommend?

2002-06-06 Thread Octavian Rasnita

Hi all,

I want to start learning a database that works with Perl but I would like to
learn a database that works under Windows and Unix also.

Is there such a thing?
Of course, I would like to  learn something as simple as possible because I
am a beginner in Perl.

Thank you.

Teddy,
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