Re: celebrating seniors
GREAT IDEA she already has my Bogen's - brought it with me in August when I came to the Hutch for my own treatment. Molly and the gang Charlottesville, VA (Seattle until Dec. 15) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It occurs to me, as I look at the growing list of seniors, that if each one > of us donated blood from these wonderful old sweeties to the histio study, we > could get Heidi Parker all the control samples she needs! I'm sending her a > request for the kit now - any other takers? > Ann Skinner and the cherished old girl, Tatters
RE: celebrating seniors!
Normann, Swiss Star's Knight of a Viking. Aug 22nd, 92- Nov 1st, 02...(10y 2m and 8 days) Laura, missing the most gentle dog I've ever met. Mexico City
celebrating seniors
> Mi-ja's Solo Singer NDD, BNDD, CGC aka Cricket 9/4/01 (10 yrs., 2 mos.) > > Sajan's Vivacious Vicka aka Vicka 2-16-92 (10 yrs, 8 mos) > > Talley 9-30-90 (11 yrs, 1 mo.) > > Ch. Rainbow La Fraisiere CGC aka "Bogen" - 2-21-92 (10 yrs, 8mos) > > CH Degrasso's Harleigh V Legacy-2-18-92 (10yrs, 8mos) > > Maine's Nordic Tatoo - 2/23/92 (10yrs,8mos) Ann > > U-CDX Brighteye Chalet's Haley UD NA OAJ Can CD 7-9-01 (11 yrs. 5 > months)Osojnicki's > I bet you meant '91 > there!!-- > > Ch. Friichnicht Big Deal, CD - Born 9/12/91 -- 11 years, 2 months -- AND > GOING STRONG & UCDX Alpenrose Charles Dickens CDX NDD (12/19/91) 10 yrs 11 mos (& his sibs - Joy, Christy, & Rudy!) lisa baldwin (dickens, bark & zel) seattle, wa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
strange behavior
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Celebrating Seniors and the Histio Study .........
--On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:58 PM -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:r It occurs to me, as I look at the growing list of seniors, that if each one of us donated blood from these wonderful old sweeties to the histio study, we could get Heidi Parker all the control samples she needs! I'm sending her a request for the kit now - any other takers? Ann Skinner and the cherished old girl, Tatters *** TERRIFIC IDEA, Ann. Heidi Parker will be most pleased to get the control samples!!! Also, if anyone has a berner who has been diagnosed with malignant histiocytosis, it would be a big help to the study if you donated blood from your Berner to help her get the malignant histiocytosis samples she need. Please consider being part of this study - the Berners you help and their owners will be forever thankful if this leads to finding a marker for this dreaded disease or leads to finding a cure. You can read about the study being done and how to send a blood sample to Heidi by going to this web site: http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/CHF/histio.html The rest of us can make a donation of money to help conquer this dreaded disease. Together we can all make a huge difference in the lives of our Berners. Here is the web site so you can see how to make a donation to the AKC CHF Fundraiser and you'll also get tickets to try to win one of the two lovely Berner paintings that Willem Wijnberg has made especially for our fundraiser. http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/CHF/ Remember your donations are being partially matched, so when you make a donation you are helping us get more money through the matching funds and donations to the AKC CHF Funds are tax deductible. Thanks, Ann for your reminder that we can all help to fight canine cancer in many ways! Joye Neff and Winston (Samantha and Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA
Re: BERNER transport
Ellen - If someone can get the dog from WI to the IL/WI border, I can take him from there another hour or so south of Chicago toward Peoria. Then we need someone to take him from that point (near the I-80/I-294 junction), another 1 1/2 to 2 hours down to Peoria. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 1/2 yr.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] BMDCSEW Vice President Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
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ATTENTION PA BERNER FRIENDS
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RE: Puppy Teeth & Hiccups
Yeoman had the hiccups most days until he was about six months old, and I was assured it was harmless and just a manifestation of the immature puppy gut. That was true. Patricia McIlveen (with Yeoman, Reba & Gus) Calgary AB, Canada
Hind paws
Our "puppy" (at 95 lbs. its difficult to call her that...) Ginger is turning one year old tomorrow. In the past month we have noticed that her hind paws are "bending" backwards when she comes to a standstill. Almost as though she is resting on her "heels" so the front of the toes and paws are visible and are pointing upwards. We are going to make an appt. at the vet for x-rays and an exam, but I was wondering if anyone has seen or heard of this before? I am concerned that she is displacing her hind paws not out of habit, but because there is a problem we haven't noticed that could be causing this. If anyone has experienced this or has any advice, please let me know. And thank you to all you Berner L-ers, I can't tell you how much I have learned from surfing the list everyday. Our puppy has grown up with your advice for other Berner parents. I really feel special to be a part of this community. What the Bernese Mtn. Dog owners have taught me in the past year, is that you CAN make a difference - one dog, one breeder, one rescue, one kind word of advice at a time. Thanks for the past year to all of you - and many more to come! Kaethy Kennedy and Swiss Stars Ginger & Spice
Berner-L Histio Rollcall
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Celebrating Seniors
Oh boy I am s happy to be able to add to this one!!! Ch. Schatzhof Brixi v Wagenblast 10yrs 9 months and still acting like a puppy! Bernerly, Angela Wagenblast PS Hope you all have submitted photos and some words about your senior for the Alpenhorn!!! >BISS Ch Tallpine's Soundview Rebecca ...still our "bad Bec" 7/13/92, 10 yrs, 4 mos > Mi-ja's Solo Singer NDD, BNDD, CGC aka Cricket 9/4/91 > (11 yrs., 2 mos.) > > Sajan's Vivacious Vicka aka Vicka 2-16-92 (10 yrs, 8 > mos) > > Talley 9-30-90 (11 yrs, 1 mo.) > > Ch. Rainbow La Fraisiere CGC aka "Bogen" - 2-21-92 (10 > yrs, 8mos) > > CH Degrasso's Harleigh V Legacy-2-18-92 (10yrs, 8mos) > > Maine's Nordic Tatoo - 2/23/92 (10yrs,8mos) > > U-CDX Brighteye Chalet's Haley UD NA OAJ Can CD 7-9-01 > (11 yrs. 5 months) > > Ch. Friichnicht Big Deal, CD - Born 9/12/91 -- 11 > years, 2 months -- AND GOING STRONG > > Ch Woodmoor's Evening Star CD - 5/26/91 - (11yrs, 6 > mos) - Hailey, my first Berner
Re: celebrating seniors!
Ch Tennescott Sulki Tatiana 11/06/90 12 yr 3 weeks Ch Tennescott Chloe's Clover 11/23/91 - 12/29/01 10yr 1 mo meg novorro scotch plains, nj
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RE: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
I had some ISP problems, I'm playing catch-up here, forgive me if things have already been answered. Dr. Padgett and a group studied several types of cancer, and were able to conclude at that time that only histio and mast cell definitely had a hereditary basis in the breed. He is studying hemangiosarcoma and one other type of cancer at the present time, and he is not yet ready to make any hard and fast conclusions. Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
>SOMETHING takes a sizeable number of our dogs young. Bloat. 11 deaths, average age 60 months. There are a lot of non-specified cancers where no definitive diagnosis was ever made or determined, there were 47 cancer deaths ranging in age from 18 months to 84 months, all below the average age of death. Some were specified, others were just "liver cancer", or just "cancer". So cancer is definitely lowering the lifespan. I'll try to work up some stats by category. Pat
Amazon
I would like to buy all the Boris books I don't already own. However I am waiting to see if Amazon will run another shipping free offer. I hope one wouldn't cancel the other benefit. Happy Trails, Jeannie Schoen, Greta, BARC Gulliver, Sophie forever in Michigan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Re: celebrating seniors!
Cynosure's Ritzy Rival V Sajan - age 13 years 7 months! Won her Veteran Sweepstakes class this year, at the 2002 BMDCA National Specialty in Wheeling, West Virginia at age 13. Gail Miller Cynosure Bernese in Arkansas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Homemade "Anxiety Wrap" successful
I too have fashioned my own anxiety wrap, using a Popular Mechanics lifting belt, that humans use when they lift heavy items. It has worked well here and just Velcro's onto the dog. I have heard Temple Grandin, the creator of the hug box for people with autism, speak twice and talked with her about my dogs and the theory of 'hug therapy' for anxious dogs. Anxiety wraps are worth looking into. As Cathi wrote, fashion you own. It's the theory that works. www.anxietywrap.com Gail Miller Cynosure Bernese in Arkansas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Celebrating seniors....almost 11.
Hidden Valley Grand B Zephyr NDD, BNDD, CGC, TT, TDI, HCT-s, Can DD (Zephyr) Born January 6th, 1992 and going strong. Look for him and his bros in the Alpenhorn. Terri Zimmerman, Zephyr, Zaltana, Kita & Zodiac, gone from this earth but not from this heart. Washington State, USA Puget Sound with clouds, moss and lots of mud puddles.
re: celebrating seniors
It occurs to me, as I look at the growing list of seniors, that if each one of us donated blood from these wonderful old sweeties to the histio study, we could get Heidi Parker all the control samples she needs! I'm sending her a request for the kit now - any other takers? Ann Skinner and the cherished old girl, Tatters
Re: Swedish Breeding Code of Ethics
Your opinion is not at all offensive :) I believe that if a breeding code of ethics required a certain type of food or exercise, then one might suggest that lowered incidence of HD and ED was perhaps related to those things. However, my understanding is that the breeding code of ethics simply limits breeding based on hip and elbow status, not on diet and exercise. Therefore, it suggests that selecting dogs that have certain (good) levels of hip and elbow clearances increases the likelihood that better orthopedics will occur in future generations. This supports OFA data as well. Diet and exercise can indeed impact a dog with HD and ED, but it does not cause it. Mary-Ann Bowman Utah
Re: Swedish Breeding Code of Ethics
> You indicate that the incident of HD and > ED has been greatly reduced since the implementation of the breeding code of > ethics. This code of ethics, as I understand it, has to do with selective > breeding based on status of hips and elbows. By doing this, HD and ED have > been improved. > > I guess this provides additional evidence that HD and ED are GENETIC and not > caused by food and exercise. Thank you kindly for providing this information > so that we can all be informed by evidence. > > Mary-Ann Bowman > Utah Mary-Ann, This is my very first day on the list and I would hate to offend anyone. However, I respectfully disagree on the logic of your statement. The evidence at hand provides no information as to how the puppies born since the implementation of the Code of Ethics have been reared in respect to diet and exercise. I suspect that many of the puppies have been fed carefully so as not to put too much weight on growing bones, as well as had their exercise monitored. I know my Griffin was. Cecilia Ståhl and her Berner Griffin aka Lysters Jeppe Jorm, with FCI certified excellent hips and elbows Stockholm, Sweden
Re: G'Day Buddy!
I don't even know what to say to that!!! I was thinking that our next Berner would probably be a boy, as I would like to dabble in conformation and I would rather live with an intact male than an intact female. After Vicky and Maria's stories lately, I'm rethinking that ;) Julia Lily & Max Astoria, OR
Can you tell I was born in the 50s?
I am wondering about the wisdom of using a potential stud who can't figure out how to, you know, with his "lady love" and the sense in using a potential mother-to-be who does everything under the sun to reject a particular "Romeo" with that particular Romeo. Second, we horsey-doggy people, well, it was required in an equestrian group to which I belonged many years ago, that we, from time to time, clean the sheaths of the geldings; believe me, they needed it. Lisa Allen _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Rainbow Bridge for Horses?
This is a copy of a poem my Aunt, a horsewoman, sent to me last year: > >Don't cry for the horses that life has set free. > >A million white horses forever to be. > >Don't cry for the horses now in God's hand. > >As they dance and they prance in a heavenly band. > >They were ours as a gift, but never to keep. > >As they close their eyes forever to sleep. > >Their spirits unbound. On silver wings they fly. > >A million white horses against the blue sky. > >Look up into heaven, you'll see them above. > >The horses we lost, the horses we loved. > >Manes and tails flowing they gallop through time. > >They were never yours - they were never mine. > >Don't cry for the horses. They'll be back someday. > >When our time is gone, they will show us the way. > >Do you hear that soft nicker? Close to your ear? > >Don't cry for the horses. Love the ones that are here. > >~Author > >Unknown~ Cindy reid - Original Message - From: Sylvia Katvala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Rainbow Bridge for Horses? > Do they have a Rainbow Bridge Poem for Horses? > > Someone in my daughters Band lost her horse early this am. > > Sylvia Katvala > >
G'Day Buddy!
I may regret telling you all this, but a friend told me the story was too cute soo During one of too many trips to my earthly Purgatory (aka Petsmart) to socialize either Daisy or Buddy (I take ONE at a time), I had Buddy on a prong collar (pre-Gentle Leader days). Carefully, slowly, calmly, I went up one aisle and down another, praising Buddy who, conversely, got more and more excited as the dog toys came into view. Once in that aisle he rose up on his hind legs (and was thus TALLER than me), stretched forward his front paws, his lipstick ... er ... glisteningly swinging in the breeze as he exuberantly pogo-ed while avidly eyeing a big red ball. Suddenly I heard a very young voice scream excitedly, "MOMMY!!!MOMMY!!! THERE'S A KANGAROO AND IT HAS ITS BABY! sigh. Maria Catoctin Mountains, Maryland
Re: Berner-L Histio Rollcall
> -- > From: "Pat Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Berner-L Histio Rollcall > > If you're interested, add yours to the List. > > Hannibal, 7/29/88 - 5/23/93, loved by Pat Long, Berwyn PA Ch Bergsee's Deacon von Falkental, 2/03/95 to 10/29/01...the truest friend and love I ever had. Carol Slider in North Carolina It is so very sad to see the list grow...
Martha & Berners
I wouldn't worry about Martha wanting a Berner. I remember reading an article in MSL about how she selected Chows, her chosen breed. She said she picked a Keeshound when she got her first dog because she thought they were so beautiful and a good size. She then went on to say that taught her an excellent lesson about researching breeds and being sure to match the breed to your personality -- she didn't like the clingy nature of Keeshound. She chose Chows (which she has had for many years now) because she likes their aloof nature. A Berner definitely wouldn't be for her! And let's give the woman a little credit -- she's bright enough to figure that out. Maybe too arrogant to think she won't get caught for certain errors in judgment, but she's no fool ;-) Julia Lily & Max Astoria, OR >I think that the Ridgefield Berner Walk is supposed to be on Martha Stewart >Living this Friday, the 22nd. That was what we were told at the walk. >That's her show on CBS. > >She sure seems interested in the breed these days hmmm... >Kendra > > >
celebrating seniors! correction
Folks, I think the senior moniker should be given to me. Sophie turned 12 on September 16th, 2002. Not November. So that makes her 12 years and 2 months old Louise in Queens NY Sophie 12 year old BMD, Devin blue merle BC and 2 Papillons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5311/dragon.htm
Ridgefield, CT Berner Walk on TV
I think that the Ridgefield Berner Walk is supposed to be on Martha Stewart Living this Friday, the 22nd. That was what we were told at the walk. That's her show on CBS. She sure seems interested in the breed these days hmmm... Kendra
Re: celebtrating seniors
Thrilled to add: BISS Ch Tallpine's Soundview Rebecca ...still our "bad Bec" 7/13/92, 10 yrs, 4 mos > Mi-ja's Solo Singer NDD, BNDD, CGC aka Cricket 9/4/91 > (11 yrs., 2 mos.) > > Sajan's Vivacious Vicka aka Vicka 2-16-92 (10 yrs, 8 > mos) > > Talley 9-30-90 (11 yrs, 1 mo.) > > Ch. Rainbow La Fraisiere CGC aka "Bogen" - 2-21-92 (10 > yrs, 8mos) > > CH Degrasso's Harleigh V Legacy-2-18-92 (10yrs, 8mos) > > Maine's Nordic Tatoo - 2/23/92 (10yrs,8mos) > > U-CDX Brighteye Chalet's Haley UD NA OAJ Can CD 7-9-01 > (11 yrs. 5 months) > > Ch. Friichnicht Big Deal, CD - Born 9/12/91 -- 11 > years, 2 months -- AND GOING STRONG > > Ch Woodmoor's Evening Star CD - 5/26/91 - (11yrs, 6 > mos) - Hailey, my first Berner
Re: Puppy Teeth & Hiccups
This was one of my favourite parts of puppyhood. Tucker almost always had the hiccups when he woke up from a nap. Too cute! Don't know when exactly they went away - probably by six months? About the same time he stopped *looking* so much like a puppy. Jen Also, hiccups..he has them every day, always for a very short duration and only once or twice a day..every day. Normal for pups?, why?, and when do they go away?
update: Lilly's histiocytoma
Say a prayer for little Lilly... we had her mass removed yesterday and should know by Friday if it benign. She looks so funny with a half shaved head and Frankenstein stiches! Thanks for all of you who expressed concern Jessica, Shawn and Lilly Lititz, PA _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Puppy Teeth & Hiccups
OK, I know puppies lose the sharp little teeth in front and the incisors but just noticed Nicco's back molars on top are loose/out...was not expecting that. Also, hiccups..he has them every day, always for a very short duration and only once or twice a day..every day. Normal for pups?, why?, and when do they go away? New at this but all else going smooth...he's a great pup! Cindy and 4 month old Nicco
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
I was told the same thing when I personally was diagnosed with lymphoma. Molly Charlottesville, VA T Thompson wrote: > Hi Ruth and All, > > Dr. Padgett addressed lymphoma at the Swiss Health Symposium. He stated > that he has studied the pedigrees and offspring of 80 affected dogs but > did not find that it was an inherited cancer in Bernese. Additionally, he > stated that he thinks lymphoma is caused by a virus. > > terry thompson > missoula, montana
Re: teenage puppy angst!
- Original Message - From: "Bruce and Marilyn Lister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Have been debating with myself whether to contact the list regarding our > almost seven month old puppy's refusal to obey the "down" command. Have > decided to plunge ahead. I do clicker training as well. Pyrs are notoriously hard to get reliable in downs and other submissive postures, so I ran into this trouble with Lliira. Mic was excellent with going and staying down, Nessie in the middle. Mic sometimes overstimulates and races around barking like a fool, but Lliira will look you in the eye, smile, and sit there. I said down and pointed, then sat there with my clicker and an amazing treat in my hands--something stinky and high value, like sausage or a smelly cheese--and simply waited her out. The first few times I did took *forever.* She cried. She drooled. She glanced at the ground and then back at me. She whimpered some more. She wagged. She begged. She offered to do other behaviors. I just pointed at the ground and waited her out. Don't react to other behaviors, do keep her on the leash so you can keep her in the spot you want, and just sit it out. She'll give in. Don't do ANYTHING she wants unless she downs first. She must down to be fed her dinner. She must down to go outside. She must down to play fetch. She must down for every treat. Be consistent and tough love it out and she'll do it. She is testing her alpha wings. You want her to want to please you. This sort of structure to her world--I please my person, I get what I want--will create a much more cooperative canine citizen than if you force her into a down physically. If you even can. I say that because my clicker trainer coach also believed dogs should understand and accept manipulation as a back up training device. He taught an enforced down where we all placed our dogs firmly into the down. I could NOT get Lliira into the down. He tried it and it was an absolute bust. He looked at me and said, "You know, you can't force/place this dog into a down. Don't even bother to try again, as it will have no value other than burning some calories and upsetting you both." But I think that is a rare dog (especially as Lliira is extremely sweet and non-dominant). Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
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Home Again Safe
Well, Mic went through his surgery fine. I got to watch, and even hand the doc a few instruments and things. I sat on the floor with him until he woke up enough to have his exit checkup and come home. I'll post when we get the biopsy results. Thanks for the positive thinking! Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002
teenage puppy angst!
Have been debating with myself whether to contact the list regarding our almost seven month old puppy's refusal to obey the "down" command. Have decided to plunge ahead. Barli has been clicker trained since we got her at 8 weeks and has been a very quick learner. In fact, a week ago I emailed a list to our Daughter in BC of Barli's accomplishments and was amazed at the length of it. On Saturday we attended puppy class graduation and she did well. It was very informal and she had a wonderful time with all the dogs. This week she absolutely refuses to do a "down" - either to my voice, my signal or both. Instead, she sits there and barks at me! For three days she has done all the other exercises but refuses the "down". Before this her downs were excellent. I have been ignoring it and carrying on with the training but realize I must do something before it gets worse. Any help would be much appreciated. Barli is my first clicker trained Berner and I've never run into this before. Marilyn Lister Chelsea, Quebec
my last name
>> I suspect we live in a very viral, polluted environment and that it will be a very long time before we have the answers to these questions. Ruth Ryenolds Cecelia---back me up on this...this is the Swedish spelling of my last name, right? ;-) :-) RRuth
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
> > ** yes, that is what he has concluded so far. however, he also said at the > Symposium that he suspects hemangiosarcoma as being inherited, but does not > yet have sufficient information ***I like the "so far" part. That's why I do not consider any study about heritability of cancers to exclude it as a factor. All a study can really claim is that the evidence gathered does not support heritibility or does support it. Dog research of this type is not generally ultimately conclusive. Remember where Padgett's info comes from. It's like our health survey. Complete? No. Best we have? Yes. ***Hemangiosarcoma would be top on my list of cancers that occur in Bernese that are not known to be hereditary which have greatest liklihood of being hereditary. ***Padgett thinks lymphoma may be virally induced. Others think it may be induced by poisons. I suspect we live in a very viral, polluted environment and that it will be a very long time before we have the answers to these questions. Ruth Ryenolds
Re: Berner-L Histio Roll call
Paradise Mountain's Absolute "Riot" November 1998 - February 2002 Riot is missed every day, and even though there will someday be another Berner in our house, there will never be another Riot. We love you and miss you very much, Ri! My biggest sadness is that my son, who had just turned 1 a week before Riot died, will never know him.
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
> Ruth excuse my ignorance, but wasn't the study done by Dr. Padgett done to determine the hereditability of cancer in Bernese and wasn't it concluded that only histio and mast cell were hereditary No, you'll have to forgive MY ignorance Susan. That might have been a conclusion that was drawn by the research team. I can't say. Regardless, I do not consider that or any other study to be a definitive study to eliminate heredity as a factor in other cancers in our breed. In fact, I suspect in time we'll find out there are other cancers which are indeed hereditary in our breed. Ruth Reynolds
Fwd: Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:39:02 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: T Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Susan and all, Susan wrote: Ruth excuse my ignorance, but wasn't the study done by Dr. Padgett done to determine the hereditability of cancer in Bernese and wasn't it concluded that only histio and mast cell were hereditary? ** yes, that is what he has concluded so far. however, he also said at the Symposium that he suspects hemangiosarcoma as being inherited, but does not yet have sufficient information terry thompson missoula, montana
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
Hi Susan and all, Susan wrote: Ruth excuse my ignorance, but wasn't the study done by Dr. Padgett done to determine the hereditability of cancer in Bernese and wasn't it concluded that only histio and mast cell were hereditary? ** yes, that is what he has concluded so far. however, he also said at the Symposium that he suspects hemangiosarcoma as being inherited, but does not yet have sufficient information terry thompson missoula, montana
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
Hi Ruth and All, Dr. Padgett addressed lymphoma at the Swiss Health Symposium. He stated that he has studied the pedigrees and offspring of 80 affected dogs but did not find that it was an inherited cancer in Bernese. Additionally, he stated that he thinks lymphoma is caused by a virus. terry thompson missoula, montana
RE: Boy Questions & Continued Education
Pat and Ray: Oh, my!! If not a "spectator sport", then surely a "spectacle sport"!! Nancy Melone -Original Message- From: Ray & Pat Burgett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:05 PM To: Vicky Whitney; Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: Re: Boy Questions & Continued Education Find a bucket or milk crate " I prefer the milk crate" to sit on, put the bitch over your legs and have a helper bring the young male to the proper position " back end is preferred" and help him get started, guide him in and then put your arms around the front of the bitch and the rear of the male and hold tight till you are insured a tie has taken place. Then let mother nature takes it course. This procedure is best done in the back yard as it is not a spectator sport. Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,Boomer,Bell & Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:50:24 -0600 "Ruth Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is my understanding that lymphoma is the most common cancer in > dogs in > general. I'm not sure if there is a heritable component to it or > not. It's > really hard to determine this when a dog dies of it and produces > the breed > average for it. I don't know that it would really be determinable > even if > the dog produced a higher than average incidence of it. But in such > a case > I'd be leaning in the direction of a heritable component to its > occurence Ruth excuse my ignorance, but wasn't the study done by Dr. Padgett done to determine the hereditability of cancer in Bernese and wasn't it concluded that only histio and mast cell were hereditary? Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
In a message dated 11/20/2002 2:41:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Cancer, number of dogs, average > age at time of death (in months) from the 2000 BMDCA health survey: > > Malignant histio 43 89.7 > Lymphosarcoma12 78 > Hemangiosarcoma 7 113 > Lymphoma 7 98.5 > Osteosarcoma 6 93.3 > Mast cell 5 81.7 The youngest average here is 6-1/2 yrs for lymphosarcoma... but we know we loose enough dogs young to bring the average to 7 yrs. Pat does the curve tell us anything? SOMETHING takes a sizeable number of our dogs young.. -Sherri Venditti
Re: puppy issues
LOL, yeah me too, I just want to make sure it would be to the right home though. Jayne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: puppy issues > In a message dated 11/20/2002 9:38:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Outside to potty > > Breakfast > > Play > > Outside to potty > > Play/training > > Nap > > Outside to potty > > Play/Training/or a short 10 minute walk. > > Lunch > > Play > > Potty > > play > > Nap...me too! > > Potty > > play/training > > Potty > > Nap > > Potty > > Dinner > > play > > potty > > play/short walk > > nap > > potty > > play > > potty > > nap > > potty > > play > > potty > > BEDTIME!!! > > I think when I die I want to come back as a puppy > > -Sherri V. >
Glucosamine & Chondroitin Sulfate
Just came across an excellent article on the use of glucosamine & chondroitin sulfate in the treatment of arthritis. The how's and why's, caveats, and references. Interesting reading for anyone pondering whether to use glucosamine or chondroitin sulfate or a combo product...and which one. http://www.aboutjoints.com/physicianinfo/topics/osteoarthritisknee/chondro.htm -Sherri Venditti
quarantine
HI All, FYI, this was posted to the TM list. Fox news has just announced that the "pet passport" program in Britain that allows cats and dogs from the continent to waive the quarantine, will be extended to the U.S. and Canada starting Dec. 11. Liz Murray Calgary Alberta
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
>> The cancer that really hurts us is lymphoma. It is my understanding that lymphoma is the most common cancer in dogs in general. I'm not sure if there is a heritable component to it or not. It's really hard to determine this when a dog dies of it and produces the breed average for it. I don't know that it would really be determinable even if the dog produced a higher than average incidence of it. But in such a case I'd be leaning in the direction of a heritable component to its occurence. Ruth Reynolds
Re: Introduction from an active Swedish Berner Owner
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:31:16 +0100 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cecilia_St=E5hl?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can ask for the the total numbers of registered litters from each > kennel > if > that will help answer your question more precisely Thanks that would be interesting to know. Are the dogs in high demand and do breeders tend to keep long waiting lists? Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: Age Question/Longevity & Histio
Valerie, I think you'll be very surprised! The average age at time of death for histio was 89.7 months, and the overall average was 84.43 months. So if we remove histio as part of the average age calculation, the average age at time of death - would go down! But if we find a way to prevent histio, then those dogs would live even longer, thereby increasing the average lifespan. The cancer that really hurts us is lymphoma. Cancer, number of dogs, average age at time of death (in months) from the 2000 BMDCA health survey: Malignant histio 43 89.7 Lymphosarcoma 12 78 Hemangiosarcoma 7 113 Lymphoma 7 98.5 Osteosarcoma 6 93.3 Mast cell 5 81.7 Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Rainbow Bridge for Horses?
Do they have a Rainbow Bridge Poem for Horses? Someone in my daughters Band lost her horse early this am. Sylvia Katvala
Swedish Club
posted in plain text for Cecilia: Pat, Thank you for your kind words. I knew this would be an interesting thread and I almost knew who would be asking the first questions, lol. I'm curious to know if you have any sort of estimate for the number of litters produced outside of the control of this committee in your country? None? 1/10th? 1/2? 2/3? Is there any way to determine an estimate of this? Perhaps by numbers of Berners registered clubs other than the SKK? I'm sure it has happened that unregistered litters have been produced, but I, personally, have actually never heard of any. I would say none or nearly none. There is no other FCI recognized organisation that registers pure bred dogs in Sweden other than the SKK. The market here is as such that the general public is relatively well informed in regards as to how to go about purchasing a well bred dog. I know there are big problems with breeds such as golden retrievers and German shepards being bred out of club-wedlock, but this is definately not a big problem within the Berner community. And what is PNP? Progressive nefropathia. I wasn't sure how to translate and abbreviate it. Would you happen to have any idea what the average amount of HD and ED is for the breed in Sweden? I will ask and get the exact figures for you. There has been a dramatic improvement in the incidence of dysplastic disease since the implementation of the breeding code of ethics almost 20 years ago. I will try to get a hold of comparison figures. Give me a couple of days, k? Cecilia Ståhl Stockholm, Sweden _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Introduction from an active Swedish Berner Owner
Susan Ablon wrote: > Did you have a hard time getting breeders in Sweden to agree to these > rules or did they do so willingly, or did they have a choice? > Do you find breeders who refuse to abide by these rules? > Are there large kennels where large numbers of puppies are produced > annually? > > I commend your Sennenhund breeders on taking such a stand to preserve the > breed and am curious how difficult it is to achieve such a strict > position. We have been working on the code of ethics in the US with much > controversy lately and nothing we've come up with has begun to approach > such a conservative stance as that of the Swedish club. Just curious how > difficult it was for your club to achieve this? Susan, Thank you for your reply. I don't know the direct answers to some of your questions, but I can try and find out. Theses rules have been in place for almost 20 years. Any attempt at an answer to your first question without consulting those that were involved in the initial discussions while the Breeders' Ethical Code was being developed would be pure speculation on my part. As for having a choice, breeders that refuse to comply, then and now, well they can't register their Berner puppies as purebred with the Swedish Kennel Klubb (SKK), which is the only organization registering purebred dogs in this country. By chosing to breed registered Berner Sennen dogs, they have chosen to accept the Breeders' Code of Ethics as stipulated by the Swedish Sennenhundklubb (SShK). We have no commercial kennels producing large numbers of Berner puppies. I can ask for the the total numbers of registered litters from each kennel if that will help answer your question more precisely. Cecilia Ståhl Stockholm , Sweden
Re: Agility books
Maria wrote >Hi L'ers, >Daisy (now 3 years old) loves her agility classes. My husband Jack has made >several jumps, the tire jump, weave poles (with springs) and is now working >on the dog walk. Humph. I'll tell you the secret of "work away" in return for you sending Jack up here to make a load of agility equipment for me too ;-). I have the Jane Simmons-Moake book "Agility Training: The Fun Sport for All Dogs" http://members.rogers.com/bernerboris/agility.html She has some videos available too, but haven't seen them. I'll give you a little hint on how I'd make Boris work away from me. Lob a hunk of cheese over a jump. wendy, boris and tanja ADC ottawa, canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: puppy issues
In a message dated 11/19/2002 7:15:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My 11 week + old berner pup is quite bull headed. If she does not like > to go out or walk after she is out she just sits or lays down. Remember when you read that Bernese are smart? ;-) She's not bull-headed, she's using the means at her disposal to get what she wants. Your challenge/goal is to make the things YOU want more important and gratifying to her than what she wants. You won't have the option of picking her up much longer... > I am using different techniques to work with her resistance > but I am looking for the magic bullet (technique) to work with her > resistance. The "magic bullet" is really an arsenal comprised of PATIENCE, PERSISTENCE, and CONSISTENCY. All the "techniques" in the world are worthless in the absence of those three. With a fully loaded P, P, and C arsenal, just about any technique will work... some more effectively than others, some more happily than others, and different techniques work better on some dogs than others. > Also, she is not warning me when she needs to go out. When in the crate, most pups will instinctively let you know when they have to go...does she do this? > if we let her roam in the house after a few hours she will just pee anywhere. Yup...because she doesn't yet understand the concepts of : (A) Holding herself until she gets outside. (B) Letting you know that she has to go outside. I wouldn't expect an 11 week old puppy to understand these complex and learned behaviors. > Any advice? The key to using a crate as an aid to houstraining is that it builds on the puppy's instinctive desire to keep her quarters clean. When she's in the crate and signals that she has to go...get her outside to potty IMMEDIATELY (whether you're in the middle of dinner or in the shower, doesn't matter...outside post haste!). Side note: That means NO crating for a period longer than she can physically hold herself (puppies have a very immature bladder...they can't go long.) Having a puppy crated to the extent they have to relieve themself in it is not only self-defeating, it qualifies in my book as cruelty. So...responding when she signals from the crate to go out starts teaching her that if she lets you know she has to go, you'll respond and take her out. Obviously your dog isn't going to live her life in the crate, so the second aspect of housetraining is making the 'leap' of transferring the 'keep my area clean' concept from the small space of the crate to the larger concept of any building interior. Looking at it that way, you can see that it really is a lot for your puppy to learn. As with any large challenge, it's best to break it down into steps and work up to the finished 'whole'. With your puppy, that means that while she's out of her crate, YOU are responsible for anticipating when she'll have to potty and getting her outside BEFORE she does it. You can count on a jaunt: after a meal after drinking after a nap in the middle of play when she gets excited early AM (if not in the middle of the night) late PM (before bed for the night) The fewer opportunities she has to relieve herself in the house, the more quickly she'll learn that it's not the place to potty. Normally, I watch them like a hawk and if the pup is inside and starts indicating she's looking for a spot, I'll give out a quick "UH!" and scoop her up into my arms, out the door, and put her down on the lawn. If you catch them in time, they'll stop what they were about to do and hold it until you put them down...then you can tell puppy how wonderful she is for going in the right place. Quite honestly, I have no idea how this would work several floors up in a highrise. I never had to wait for an elevator with a puppy needing to pee...just had to stand there shivering in the back yard waiting for her to find just the right place. When you can't watch her, confine her...both for her safety and to prevent the opportunity for her to learn that it's ok to go in the house. As she matures a bit, give her more freedom, again...in steps, not all at once. As they can manage (be responsible for) more space comfortably, my puppies go from the crate, to an xpen, to one room, to two adjoining rooms, to the first floor, to the whole house. Expect occassional lapses, especially just when you think she's got it down pat. It happens...just back up a step and go from there. Imagine that you're working with an 11 month old toddler and you'll be pretty near on target in terms of your berner puppy...except that the toddler isn't going to be 90 lbs of raw power in another 6 months. -Sherri Venditti
Age Question/Longevity & Histio
My heart just breaks to see the roll call of histio victims - and I know there are many more to come. Many of the names are familiar to me only through this list, some I have known personally. I was just wondering, if about 1 in 6 berners dies from histio, and if we took the histio deaths out of the longevity statistics, I wonder what the average age would be then? That figure may make the importance of the histio genetic study a little more obvious. Valerie
Re: Swedish Breeding Code of Ethics
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and information -- there is so much to learn!! I would like to link something that you have said to a recent discussion on the berner-l. You indicate that the incident of HD and ED has been greatly reduced since the implementation of the breeding code of ethics. This code of ethics, as I understand it, has to do with selective breeding based on status of hips and elbows. By doing this, HD and ED have been improved. I guess this provides additional evidence that HD and ED are GENETIC and not caused by food and exercise. Thank you kindly for providing this information so that we can all be informed by evidence. Mary-Ann Bowman Utah
Swedish Breeding Code of Ethics
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Re: Training Resources--finding GOOD classes
To find a good beginner or puppy training class in your area that uses positive methods, check the Assoc of Pet Dog Trainers website (www.apdt.com) or on one of the clicker training lists. If you know you want to do agility or obedience, go to a local trial (info available at www.akc.org) and ask the winners of the advanced classes (or just a dog you really liked watching who did well and was happy) who they recommend for lessons. Call ahead and ask about the school's approach. Are they old fashioned Monks of New Skete style or Koehler (pronounced "keeler")or are they modern and positive? Ask if you can observe a class or two w/out your dog. If they say no, run the other way. The dogs and handlers and instructor should all be having fun! Wagging tails and smiles, not grimaces of intense concentration and frightened, distracted dogs who dont notice the person on the other end of the leash. Are they using treats/toys/games? Not choke collar pops and a pat on the head as "praise?" Watching a class or two will tell you a lot about if this is where you want to take your baby. Vilma Briggs Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT and rescue Berners: Charm (Thirdtym's A CharmCGC) and Willow and now Ted
Re: BERNER-L digest 4132
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Re: question
In a message dated 11/20/2002 10:11:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What does Limited Registration mean?? Hi Susie, AKC Limited Registration means that were you to breed that dog or bitch, the puppies couldn't be registered with AKC. A dog or bitch with limited registration also cannot be shown in AKC conformation (aka: breed) competition. But they CAN do do everything else; obedience, agility, tracking, draft, therapy, foot warming, etc. The reason breeders use the Limited Registration is to discourage random breeding of pups after they're sold. Responsible breeders select only those dogs that best exemplify the breed standard, and have correct temperament, and have a full set of health clearances/evaluations, to contribute to the gene pool. > My husband and I are PPOs and trying to learn as much as possible. THANK YOU-THANK YOU-THANK YOU! :-D I know it's easier to just go with the flow than try to learn a foreign language like dog-talk. But you and the breed will both benefit from taking the time to learn the ins and outs. KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS!!! I'm sure there are lots of people online who want to know the same things, but are unsure about asking. -Sherri Venditti (2 berners on limited registration and 1 on full)
RE: Pets Travel scheme extended to USA and Canada
HOOORAY!!! This is such GREAT NEWS!! I was wondering how long they were going to take!!! I had seen months ago that they opened it for military families only. Imagine what that can mean!!?? Not only can people now take their dogs to CRUFTS ... But it opens doors for breeding, heck, even vacations!! We can start to see American bred British champs ... Without the terrible quarantine!!! Yeah!! Thanks for sharing!! --Tracey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pets Travel scheme extended to USA and Canada Quarantine cut for pets from USA and Canada By Ananova Vaccinated dogs and cats from the US and Canada are to be allowed into the UK without first having to go into six months quarantine. The change in the rules begins on December 11. But until an approved route from North America is available and official certification agreed, animals will have to go into short stay quarantine, usually only for two to three days, while microchips and paperwork are checked. Animal Health Minister Elliot Morley said that since the Pets Travel Scheme was introduced in February last year, more than 75,000 dogs and cats from Europe and rabies-free islands have used the scheme to enter the UK without having to go into qu arantine. "When we introduced the scheme we recognised that there was significant demand from people in the USA and Canada, and indeed UK travellers, for those two countries to be included in the scheme," he said. "We have carried out several scientific assessments of the risk of importing rabies if the Pet Travel Scheme was extended to USA and Canada. "These assessments concluded that the risk of importing rabies into the UK by extending the Pet Travel Scheme to the USA and Canada was low. "I know that some people feel that we have been too cautious in our approach to including the USA and Canada in our Pet Travel Scheme." He added: "We were not prepared to take such a significant step until we were sure, on a sound scientific basis, that there would be no significant increase in the risks of importing rabies if the scheme was extended to those countries. "We now have this assurance and I am therefore very pleased to announce that the Government has decided to extend the Pet Travel Scheme to USA and Can ada," he said.
Extended Travel scheme for pets
Forwarded in plain text for Jude: Hi Guys, I saw a news story by Ananova today, extracts printed below; Jude Simonds Coliburn Bernese, UK "Vaccinated dogs and cats from the US and Canada are to be allowed into the UK without first having to go into six months quarantine. "The change in the rules begins on December 11. "But until an approved route from North America is available and official certification agreed, animals will have to go into short stay quarantine, usually only for two to three days, while microchips and paperwork are checked. "Animal Health Minister Elliot Morley said that since the Pets Travel Scheme was introduced in February last year, more than 75,000 dogs and cats from Europe and rabies-free islands have used the scheme to enter the UK without having to go into quarantine. "We have carried out several scientific assessments of the risk of importing rabies if the Pet Travel Scheme was extended to USA and Canada. "These assessments concluded that the risk of importing rabies into the UK by extending the Pet Travel Scheme to the USA and Canada was low." Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Introduction from an active Swedish Berner Owner
Cecilia, Thank you so much for the information, and thank you for doing it in English, your English is beautiful, no complaints here! I'm curious to know if you have any sort of estimate for the number of litters produced outside of the control of this committee in your country? None? 1/10th? 1/2? 2/3? Is there any way to determine an estimate of this? Perhaps by numbers of Berners registered clubs other than the SKK? And what is PNP? Would you happen to have any idea what the average amount of HD and ED is for the breed in Sweden? Sorry to inundate you with questions, but you're too good of an opportunity to let go! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Introduction from an active Swedish Berner Owner
Cecilia After reading your post on the Swedish Code of Ethics it sounds as if your breeders are truly concerned for the health and well being not just of the breed but the individual dog. Did you have a hard time getting breeders in Sweden to agree to these rules or did they do so willingly, or did they have a choice? Do you find breeders who refuse to abide by these rules? Are there large kennels where large numbers of puppies are produced annually? I commend your Sennenhund breeders on taking such a stand to preserve the breed and am curious how difficult it is to achieve such a strict position. We have been working on the code of ethics in the US with much controversy lately and nothing we've come up with has begun to approach such a conservative stance as that of the Swedish club. Just curious how difficult it was for your club to achieve this. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Training Resources
Can anyone recommend a training center near Paramus, New Jersey? I'm looking for a center that offers puppy kindergarten or basic manners, and agility. Also want them to use positive methods and offer introductory clicker classes. Thanks -- Cheryl Brickach
Re: agility book?
I don't know about books, but I bet you can find lots of tips on the agility berner list. Contact Kris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for specifics. -Sherri V.
RE: Berner Golf Club Head Covers
A couple of years ago I looked for some-got the guy to pull out the catalog and
everything
but alas no Berner.
Dino
Hello - Has anyone seen Berner head covers for golf clubs? Matilde wants
to buy one for her dad for Christmas. :) I've found other breeds, but
no Berners. Please email if you know of some place that might have them.
Thanks!
Sue Burnham and Matilde ("Mom's crazy. I'm getting Dad a satellite
dish for Christmas, with all of the sports channels. That's what he
really wants. Now, I wonder if the electronics store will take dog
biscuits...") Santa Fe, NM
Re: Introduction from an active Swedish Berner Owner
Oh boy, I hope I do this right, ... > ***Would you tell us what the NSBC's function is and give us a thumbnail > sketch of what your friend does as national coordinator for Berner litter > registrations? > Thanks in advance and welcome! > Ruth Reynolds Thank you Ruth, for your warm welcome, I have always enjoyed your posts through out my years as a lurker. Firstly, the Swedish Sennenhundklubb (SShK) breeders' genetic committee (åvelsrådet), is a convening board that works actively to preserve and improve the health of the 4 Sennenhund breeds as well as to preserve and maintain the respective breeds' mental and exterior qualities as described in the 4 respective breed standards. The commitee has it foundation in the "Genetics & Breeders' Ethical Code" which was established in June 1984. It has since been audited and revised 8 times. (please forgive my clumbsy translations of the various official names) I wish I could just clip and paste everything here, but then noone would understand it. I will try my best to give an adequate presentation though if anything appears unclear or in weird English, just ask me and I'll clear it up as best I can. The Code of Breeding Ethics includes general rules pertaining to any breeding practice of the 4 breeds as well as rules regarding breeding practice pertaining specifically to each of the 4 Sennenhund breeds. Sennenhund litters that are bred in violation of the Code of Ethics cannot be registered with the Swedish National Kennel Klubb (SKK, member of the FCI) as pure bred dogs. In regards to Berners, besides the expected HD, ED and (PNP) health clearances, all Berner dogs are subject to a breeding pause for evaluation after siring 30 offspring. A dog that sires a percentage of puppies with a incidence of HD or ED that exceeds the agreed upon accepted limit according to the Ethical Code is withdrawn from breeding practice. There is a national maximum limit for which a sire may be used in regards to offspring produced, which is 80 puppies in Sweden. A dog that has produced 80 offspring in Sweden with acceptable results according to the code and that has passed the age of 7 without developing any of the health problems as described in the code, may be used further until the litter in which the 95th puppy is produced. There are many other details that I will gladly share. Berner Bitches, besides health clearances regarding HD, ED and (PNP), must be 2 years of age or more at the whelping of their first litter and may only whelp one litter per year. A bitch producing her first litter after the age of 4.5 years, must first have a veterinary certificate of health before being bred. The Swedish National Kennel Klubb (SKK) has specific ethical rules and guidelines as to breeding bitches of all pure breeds, and these rules must be followed as well. I will post these if requested. That's about all the translating I will endeavour to do in one post, whew. I expect and hope this post will generate questions, please ask away. Ruth, I will answer your second question about Berner litter registrations in another post, okay? Berner Hugs Cecilia Ståhl
Re: celebtrating seniors
Mi-ja's Solo Singer NDD, BNDD, CGC aka Cricket 9/4/91 (11 yrs., 2 mos.) Sajan's Vivacious Vicka aka Vicka 2-16-92 (10 yrs, 8 mos) Talley 9-30-90 (11 yrs, 1 mo.) Ch. Rainbow La Fraisiere CGC aka "Bogen" - 2-21-92 (10 yrs, 8mos) CH Degrasso's Harleigh V Legacy-2-18-92 (10yrs, 8mos) Maine's Nordic Tatoo - 2/23/92 (10yrs,8mos) U-CDX Brighteye Chalet's Haley UD NA OAJ Can CD 7-9-01 (11 yrs. 5 months) Ch. Friichnicht Big Deal, CD - Born 9/12/91 -- 11 years, 2 months -- AND GOING STRONG Ch Woodmoor's Evening Star CD - 5/26/91 - (11yrs, 6 mos) - Hailey, my first Berner Sharon Montville - Firstrax Bernese - Colorado __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Pets Travel scheme extended to USA and Canada
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Re: puppy issues
In a message dated 11/20/2002 9:38:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Outside to potty > Breakfast > Play > Outside to potty > Play/training > Nap > Outside to potty > Play/Training/or a short 10 minute walk. > Lunch > Play > Potty > play > Nap...me too! > Potty > play/training > Potty > Nap > Potty > Dinner > play > potty > play/short walk > nap > potty > play > potty > nap > potty > play > potty > BEDTIME!!! I think when I die I want to come back as a puppy -Sherri V.
Re: Berner-L Histio Rollcall
Sanduskys Kobi Balsiger 1/20/91 - 2/22/97 - Kobi was loved by the entire Balsiger family Lynn Balsiger
Re: PPO in Korea needs help
Try Herb Hoffman, Dawn. He's chair of the BMDCA International Alliance Committee and his contact info is in the BMDCA membership handbook. Ruth Reynolds - Original Message - From: "Dawn or Tim Gabig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Berner-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: PPO in Korea needs help > Anyone know how to contact the breed club in Korea? I'd like to forward it > to a PPO there. > > Dawn Gabig, Classique Berners > Suburbs of Kansas City, USA > Our Website: http://ClassiqueBMD.homestead.com > FREE Graphics: http://ClassiqueBMDs.homestead.com/graphics.html > Heartland Club Website: http://www.hbmdc.org/ > >
Re: question/limited registration and its purpose
Susie Bockard asked in a post >>What does Limited Registration mean?? My husband and I are PPOs and trying to learn as much as possible. Susie, An AKC limited registration disallows offspring of the animal to be registered with the AKC. The AKC keeps a Stud Book for each breed it recognizes. The Stud Book is a record of the first litter sired/whelped by a dog/bitch. The Stud Book does not reflect all litters but does reflect all FIRST registered litters from individual dogs/bitches. If a sire was only bred to maiden bitches his whole life, and all those litters were registered with the AKC, ALL the sire's litters would be in the stud book. :-) However, if he was bred to maiden and matron bitches, only his first litter and subsequent litters to maiden bitches will be represented in the Stud Book. Hope I've described that so you understand. If there's confusion ask me to clarify and I'll confuse us all some more. :-) The limited registration is designed to allow breeders some control over the influence of dogs from their program have on the breed's stud book. Sometimes it occurs that a person buys a female with limited registration and chooses to violate an addtional (not required by AKC) written contract with her breeder that states the bitch will not be bred. If the bitch does have puppies, they cannot be registered with the AKD. Therefore the female will not "affect" the future genetic pool represented in the AKC's stud book. Some people have naively used limited registration to assure dogs they produce will not be bred once they are sold. Unfortunately it doesn't work out sometimes that people understand what the limited registration means or they don't care. The only way to assure absolutely a dog will not produce puppies, is to neuter/spay it. The next best practice a breeder can utilize is to have a mutual understanding (preferably in writing) between breeder and owner that the dog will be sold on limited registration and will not ever be bred. Ruth Reynolds Pioneer Bernese Greenwood, FL www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/rar
Re: celebrating seniors
Anne, I have a history of failure to finger count with accuracy!! Yes, Sajan's Talley is 12+. She is a half sister with Vicka and Gail's Ritzy who is 13+. They all have the same dam and different sires. Those fingers get me every time!! Sandie
PPO in Korea needs help
Anyone know how to contact the breed club in Korea? I'd like to forward it to a PPO there. Dawn Gabig, Classique Berners Suburbs of Kansas City, USA Our Website: http://ClassiqueBMD.homestead.com FREE Graphics: http://ClassiqueBMDs.homestead.com/graphics.html Heartland Club Website: http://www.hbmdc.org/
Re: cancer roll call & celebrating seniors
In a message dated 11/20/2002 9:45:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Why is that? Is it a "no-no" to mention kennel names when dealing with the dreaded diseases? >> Not for me. I think it's just the way that list got started. "Arrow" (2/14/97 - 12/8/98) is Caroling's Pierced Arrow, bred by me, and so far, the only case of histio we've experienced. Parents are in their ninth year, one littermate died at about the same time from improper medical care for an intestinal blockage from a foreign object, five other siblings alive and well at 5 years, 9 mos. and 3 years, 10 mos. Nothing to hide when it comes to histio. It's everywhere. Carol Lingley Caroling Bernese Ijamsville, MD
Re: cancer roll call & celebrating seniors
Kay, I'm afraid that's probably my fault, I started it and just did it as a matter of space. I think it's going to be a long list and was just trying to fit all the information on one line. Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: celebrating seniors
In a message dated 11/20/2002 12:50:09 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Mi-ja's Solo Singer NDD, BNDD, CGC aka Cricket 9/4/01 (10 yrs., 2 mos.) > > Sajan's Vivacious Vicka aka Vicka 2-16-92 (10 yrs, 8 mos) > > Talley 9-30-90 (11 yrs, 1 mo.) >> Besides Cricket really being 11 yrs. 2 mo. it looks like Talley is actually 12 yrs. 1 mo. Lets be sure these lively seniors get all the credit they are due!! Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 1/2 yr.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] BMDCSEW Vice President Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
question
What does Limited Registration mean?? My husband and I are PPOs and trying to learn as much as possible. Thanks, Susie Bockard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Limping puppies
Hello all of you experienced berner owners, So my question is how common is it for berner puppies (or any breed) to limp and for it to turn out to be nothing? It seems like there is limping puppy, posts often. I ask because I'm a parnoid mom whose almost 8 month old puppy who was playing with another dog this past weekend and took a big slide and fall in the snowing ground. Afterword he was limping and the next morning he was slightly limping, I didn't notice any more limping until obidence class last night and he was doing it again this morning. SO for all of us newbies I would like to know if there is anyway to tell if it's just growing pains or something harmless and when to worry and rush to the orthopedic vet! Thanks from the first time berner owning, parnoid berner mom! Kelli & Oscar (But I don't care if I'm limping mom I WANT to go for a walk!) Livonia, MI
cancer roll call & celebrating seniors
Just noticed that when someone post to the senior list that they use the AKC full name and when they post to the cancer/histio list they only use the dogs name. Why is that? Is it a "no-no" to mention kennel names when dealing with the dreaded diseases? Kay Sloate
puppy issues
GReat advice from all the experienced berner folks out there. Having a 13 week old berner boy and 2 older girls, it is imperative to have appropriate expectations for all. I would recommend getting a couple of the wonderful puppy books that address developmental stages. They will help to keep you on course with what is realistic for your baby. As these guys and gals grow it is hard to remember that they are infants and everyhting is new. Here is a rough schedule of our puppy day, perhaps it will help. Cutter goes to bed about 11pm and wakes up the first time around 5:30 to go out. Then we put him back to bed and he sleeps about another hour. Outside to potty Breakfast Play Outside to potty Play/training Nap Outside to potty Play/Training/or a short 10 minute walk. * I am trying the tether approach to walking. I secure his leash around my waist and the other end to his collar, positioning him on my left side and walk with treats to teach where and how I want him to walk with me. Of couse when we train-walk in the yard he is not teathered and I can be seen making an absolute fool of myself doing the wacky walk, singing, laughing etc, to get him to follow me. Lunch Play Potty play Nap...me too! Potty play/training Potty Nap Potty Dinner play potty play/short walk nap potty play potty nap potty play potty BEDTIME!!! It is a good thing I am not working these days, because this is a big job. I have so much respect for people who are raising a new puppy and children. I don't know how you do it. Hope this helps! Wendi = Wendi Giordano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Striving to be worthy of my beautiful Berner girls... Miss Kitty (Swiss Stars Cat Balou) Splash (Swiss Stars Over Niagara) And Struggling to live up to "A tired puppy is a good puppy." Cutter (Swiss Stars Black Diamond) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com
RE: Covering sutures
Hi Lois, There is no need to cover the sutures. You might want to put an Elizabethan collar on Riley to stop him chewing at them but other than that they should be okay and just keep him in a comfortable area and monitor him. Rose
Hold A Good Thought, Please
Mic and I are about to head off to the vet to have another mass removed. Hopfully, like the one this summer, this will biopsy benign. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002
: berner club head
- Original Message - From: Charles and Kay Sloate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: berner club head Hi, I had this same problem last Xmas and ended up making one from a small berner stuffed animal that I found at Walmart. I simple cut open his bottom and removed the back legs, and most of the stuffing, except for the front feet and head. Then push a regular driver head cover up inside of the dog and stitch it in place around the bottom edge where the back legs once were. The tail is left on. I did remove the big red, velvet bow from it also. Boy, does it get alot of attention from all of our golf buddies since they know and adore Caddie, our berner. Cad goes to the golf course with us in the winter time when it is cool. Saturday, we pick up our little girl, Divot, Caddie's niece. Looking forward to having two berners. I have not looked for one of the stuffed berners this year, but I would imagine that any of the small stuffed ones from some of the webpages would do. If you have a question, just write. Kay Sloate Corpus Christi, TX
Re: celebrating seniors!
Sophie, who is Brighteye Sizzlin Dragonfire, turned 12 years old on November 16th! She is still in absolutely wonderful shape, getting a little crabby, but it is so cool to have her here at this age. Old dogs are so cute, they are so into food, food, food, nothing else but that. One just has to be careful and watch where she goes and she wanders a bit and does not hear when you call. But hey, she earned behaviors like that! We respect our seniors and give them pretty much whatever the want except too much food. Every day is a great day as long as Sophie is here with us. She is a remarkable Bernese Mountain Dog. Louise in Queens NY Sophie 12 year old BMD, Devin blue merle BC and 2 Papillons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5311/dragon.htm
RE: Berner-L Histio Rollcall
Hudson, 5/23/99 - 2/17/02, loved by JB Jenkins and family, Arlington VA -Original Message- From: Pat Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Berner-L Histio Rollcall If you're interested, add yours to the List. Hannibal, 7/29/88 - 5/23/93, loved by Pat Long, Berwyn PA _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Recall: Berner-L Histio Rollcall
Commissary would like to recall the message, "Berner-L Histio Rollcall".
RE: Berner-L Histio Rollcall
Hudson, 5/23/99 - 2/17/02, loved by JB Jenkins and family, Arlington, VA -Original Message- From: Sylvia Katvala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Berner-L Histio Rollcall If you're interested, add yours to the List. Hannibal, 7/29/88 - 5/23/93, loved by Pat Long, Berwyn PA Caolan, 3/19/96 - 9/2/02, loved by Sylvia Katvala and Family, Tucson AZ
agility book?
Hi L'ers, Daisy (now 3 years old) loves her agility classes. My husband Jack has made several jumps, the tire jump, weave poles (with springs) and is now working on the dog walk. Does anyone doing agility know of a good book that suggests ways to teach your dog how to do the obstacles? Also how to teach the dog and the handler to direct "from a distance"? It seems the "light bulb" went off in Daisy's head and she is just in heaven when she sees us drag the obstacles out into the field. Thanks! Maria, Daisy and The Budman (don't even look at me, Ma. I'm busy perfecting The Sleeping Berner)
Costco stuffed berners
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AKC CHF Fundraiser....there is STILL TIME to donate.....
I've had a few messages from people saying that they would like to donate to our AKC CHF Fundraiser, but were afraid that their checks wouldn't arrive in time for the raffle. NEVER FEAR!!! I am a very trusting person and if you let me know what amount you are sending for the fundraiser and how you'd like me to distribute your tickets, I'll cover your check until it arrives.!! The drawing is going to be on Thanksgiving Day - one week from tomorrow, so your check should arrive on time. We want to raise a HUGE amount of money for Cancer research and you can be part of this effort to help our Berners. Please send in your donations quickly so that we can have something to be really thankful for this Thanksgiving. Here is the website that Karen Pickel made for our AKC CHF Fundraiser: http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/CHF/ You just have to see the beautiful paintings that Willem Wijnberg painted for our fundraiser. They are just gorgeous and once you see them you are going to want to make a donation to help fight Cancer and to try to win one of these paintings. The first painting (14 x 14 inches) is of Yasper, the father of Willem's Berner, Dingo, who died from Malignant Histiocytosis. The second painting (12 x 10 inches) is of Jean Cheesman's puppy, Sam (from England) who died about 3 years ago from cancer at the young age of six years. This is a fundraiser that is near to everyone's heart, whether you've lost a Berner to Malignant Histiocytosis, or knew a Berner who died from this dreaded disease. Won't you please be part of the solution and help by sending a check. We can make a difference in our lifetime in the lives of our Berners, but it takes a lot of people, making donations to help fight cancer. We can do it. Thanks in advance for your generosity!! Joye Neff and Winston (Samantha and Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA
