show etiquette
I attended Crufts Dog Show last year and loved it! I hope to go again this year. My question is, what is the proper etiquette when you go to these shows. Someone mentioned recently that at a big show its probably not the best of times to bounce up to a handler and start asking questions.I desperately wanted to touch all those beautiful benched berners but wasnt sure if I should. The handlers all seemed to be grouped and chatting. I can count on one hand the amount of dog shows Ive been able to attend but at one in San Antonio, Texas I touched a Golden Retriever and the handler asked me to please not touch the dog. I felt really bad. Rhona and Louis In The Netherlands __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
growth plates
Not exactly Berner related but when my daughter was 4 years old her brother ran over her foot with his bike. It broke a small bone near her growth plate. The doctors put her ENTIRE leg in plaster and she was carefully monitored for weeks. Growth plates are obviously very important whether you're a doggie or a child. Rhona and Louis The Netherlands __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: Cancer Study
THANK YOU, Ray and Pat for sending in the blood sample of Talee! We do NEED more blood donations from Berners such as your Talee, who are 10 years or older and who have never been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis. The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center is trying to find the marker for Malignant Histiocytosis and they need to have 40 blood samples from Berners who have been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and 40 samples from Berner who are 10 years or older and who have never been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis. This research could have a real impact on the lives of our Berners. Surely there are more 10 year and older Berners who could participate. When my Winston was diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis on New Years Eve this past year, I already had the kit from Pat Long for participating in this study, because I suspected that his illness was going to be histio. It was Winston's final contribution to the breed on January 4, 2003 and one that I know was most important. It is not an easy time when you get that diagnosis to think about participating in a study, but it is vital that you think ahead so you can make that important decision to take part in it. As of February 4, 2003, they had 17 affected Berners and 31 non-affected control Berners for the study. That means that they still need 23 more Berners who have been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and just 9 more Berners who are over 10 years old and who have never been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis. Heidi Parker, in the laboratory of Dr. Elaine Ostrander at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, is conducting this study of Malignant Histiocytosis in Bernese Mountain Dogs. Her team's goal is to find DNA markers associated with this disease and the actual gene mutations that cause Malignant Histiocytosis. With our help, her lab could be successful in finding associated DNA markers within three to four years, and the causative gene mutations in the next decade. This genetic information would be available to such companies as VetGgen and Optigen to develop a DNA test that breeders could use to make more informed breeding decisions in an effort to reduce the incidence of this disease. In addition, once the causative gene mutations are found, drug therapies could potentially be developed by other companies to either prevent the development of or reduce the severity of the disease in Berners that already carry the disease genes. If you would like to donate a blood sample from your dog, please: 1. request a free blood collection kit from Heidi Parker or Nate Sutter in Elaine Ostrander's lab Please email to both Heidi and Nate ([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or call (206) 667-6980 to insure that a kit is sent to you as soon as possible. If time is critical, call and they will overnight the kit. 2. Follow the enclosed instructions: a. Have your vet fill the tubes with blood b. label the tubes with dog's name, breed, sex, age, owner's name and phone number, and include a pedigree and relative health information. c. use the enclosed mailing label d. mail it priority mail to FHCRC e. call or email them to let them know it's on its way If your Berner has been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and there is no time to get the kit for the study, you can use the above instructions for sending blood samples and have your vet supply the two blood collection tubes. The Canine Health Foundation matched our recent donations from the fundraiser we did with the two paintings by Willem Wijnberg, from The Netherlands, on the Berner-l at a 50% rate and we were able to raise $5595 for the study of Malignant Histiocytosis! Thank you to all who participated in our fundraiser! The donations we sent to the study was a BIG help, but right now the need is for Berners to participate in the research. Won't you please consider letting your Berner help the Berners of tomorrow - you will be happy you did. Joye Neff (Samantha and Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA P.S. Watch for the upcoming fundraiser with two more fantastic paintings by Willem Wijnberg! Willem is insisting that this fundraiser be in memory of my Winston. I want it to be a fundraiser to Celebrate the Lives of all our Precious Berners who have lost the Battle to Malignant Histiocytosis. Contact Jean Cheesman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to include your affected Berners in the pictoral Histio Rollcall page she is preparing for our fundraiser.
Re: Spartanburg SC Shows
Subject: Dog Show/Wacamaw in Spartanburg, anyone? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:13:11 -0500 I'd love to know if anyone's going to be in Spartanburg SC for the 3 day show beginning this Friday. I'd also love to know what time berners will be in the ring.. Thanks, looking forward to meeting you and your dogs too, of course :-) Franny/South Carolina Friday show is 9:00 Saturday show is 9:30 Sunday show is 10:30 Looking forward to seeing you and many more there!! Carol Slider in NC
All together now....
Anyone want to join me in a rousing chorus of Happy Birthday to Kalila? She turns 11 today and we're celebrating!!! ~ Sherri Len Venditti
Re: Cancer Study
THANK YOU! When I was in Seattle undergoing my own cancer therapy, I had the opportunity to visit the lab and hear the amazing work they have already accomplished in identifying certain genes in canines. What was most interesting was that many canine markers have been found not far from the human marker so once the human marker is identified, they often find the canine marker within 3-4 months. They are very excited about this particular project and I encourage anyone with a 10+ year old to help with the control group, and as hard as it is, any one with a dog diagnosed with histio, please participate in the affected group. Molly and the gang Bogen - proudly in the control group at age 11 Bianca - proudly helping other berners in the affected group (1995-2003) Charlottesville, VA Today we mailed off the blood from our 10 1/2 year old Berner Talee for the Cancer research being done at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research center. I'm sure Pat Long has all the latest information in anyone else wants to take part in this research. They still need more participants. Ray Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
Re: IGNORING COMMANDS
Hi, Valerie...Chiara has hit the teen years! It seems the advice for surviving the dog teens is similar to that regarding kids...Lots of consistency about rules, lots of positive reinforcement, make them work for and deserve every privilege they get! Anne Cranford, NJ with Maddie and Titan (and 2 human teens)
Re: Cancer Study
If your Berner has been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and there is no time to get the kit for the study, you can use the above instructions for sending blood samples and have your vet supply the two blood collection tubes. Joye is so right in how important this study can be. The tubes needed for the blood draws are SPECIFIC as they have a stabilizer in them that protects the blood for its travel to Seattle. Most hospitals have these tubes although vets may not. Because my kit had not yet arrived and Bianca was fading fast, we got the tubes and blood draw needles from the lab at a local hospital - they gave them to us - and Wendi Giordano, who luckily is a nurse, came over and drew Bianca's blood for me. FYI - the tubes are yellow tops with ACD Solution A inside and if possible, Heidi asks they be filled at least 3/4 each. Molly and the gang Charlottesville, VA
Aggression prevention
Rhona, You ask an excellent question! Aggression is a VERY broad term, covering a variety of undesireable behaviors w/ a variety of causes. Preventing aggression from developing is much easier than treating it. You never know for sure if your new dog (of any breed--but especially working, terrier, and herding breeds) will develop aggression in one form or another, but here are some things off the top of my head that all new puppy/dog owners should do. These will stack the odds in your favor: Meet as many relatives of the new puppy/dog you are considering as possible, especially first and second degree relatives. What are their temperments like? How do they react to you? How do they react to new dogs? Ask the breeder to tell you in general about the dogs she/he breeds. She should not only discuss bone and coat and tail set but the relatives' temperments, good and bad points. Temperment should be very important to a good breeder in making breeding decisions. Meet them in person and see how you feel. Do NOT get a shy puppy or a puppy from shy parents. Fear aggression (sharp-shy) is one of the hardest things to manage. Do NOT chose either the most timid or the most outgoing puppy in the litter. Absolutely spay/neuter early, at least by 6-7 months.especially for males. Females are sightly less prone to aggression than males (particularly dog-dog) tho this is in no way absolute. Start the day you bring home your new puppy and socialise socialise socialise! The youngster should experience lots and lots and lots of new people, places, sounds, scents, etc. Every day she should be experiencing some things that are totally new. Of course keep her safe, and make sure these are positive, happy experiences. Continue this thru 12-18 especially. Obedience train the new dog/puppy early and continue daily household training for the dog's lifetime, especially thru 2 years of age as the adolescant develops. Teach her everything, agility, obedience, carting, tracking, tricksall foster confidence and your relationship/leadership. Spend a lot of time w/ the dog and make sure these are positive experiences. Check out Ian Dunbar, DVM's excellent videos Fighting and Biting for more detail on prevention and management. Also Brenda Aloff's new well written, comprehensive book Aggression and Susan Garrett's little booklet Ruff Love are absolutely excellent for anyone who has a dog who is struggling w/ this challenging issue. (available from www.dogwise.com) Anyone else have ideas? Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
Rottie
Hi Lisa-Jayne, When you refer to messes are you talking about urination or defaecating? If urination then she needs to take her to the vet for a urinalysis, very often a Urinary Tract Infection is the root cause for frequency of urination. If defaecating then she would be advise to take a stool sample into the vet's for analysis for parasites. If the bowel movements are normal in appearance then many factors need to be considered, if the puppy is fearful or intimidated by the owner ie being told off then she is doing this for pyschological reasons and your friend needs to back of from punishing her and just praise when she goes in the right place and ignore all accidents. If she appears to not know she is defaecating then she needs to be examined by the vet for physical problems. Generally housetraining is down to the owner and the biggest cause of failure is lack of routine. Hope this is helpful Rose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 12, 2003 6:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BERNER-L digest 4267 Hi everyone, I have a friend who has a rotti that is almost 6 months old and not even close to being house trained, as training our BMD was really easy I have ran out of suggestions for her to try. Does anyone have any advice they could share with her. She has tried taking it out every hour on the hour but it just comes back in and when she turns her back it messes. It crys continously when put outside, even if she is standing with it. It is impossible to leave it alone in the garden for the whimping and crying noises it makes. I am no expert on these things and have never had to deal with anything like this so therefore am completely useless and can not offer her any help. She has tried buying a book with suggestions but still nothing is working, it seems that the dog just isn't interested in learning no matter what. She can be told off and while my friend is cleaning up one room will go straight to another room and mess. My friend could pop out for 5 minutes and while gone Bailey will off messed everywhere, even if she has just gone previously. As she is due to have a baby shortly it is getting a bit much for her. I have even tried having her at mine hoping she would learn from my girl but still messes which leaves my girl not slightly impressed. Any advice and Help would greatly be appreciated. Lisa-Jayne Kerray Kent, England.
RE: Frequency of Health Problems
Hi Nancy, I find it interesting that DARK skin in dogs is more prone to melanoma whereas it appears fair skinned people are more prone. Grey horses are very prone to melanoma when they lack black skin and only have silver or pink skin. Rose T.
RE: Growth Gates?
Hi Cheryl, The term is actually Growth Plates:-) It is the end of the bones during the phase of growth. In the Berner they usually close between 10-11 months and after this age the dog will not grow any taller. The bones are not fully hardened off until about two years of age. They are cartilagenous and can be injured and it is during the rapid growth phase of four to eight months that we would most likely see evidence of Osteo Chondrosis Dessicans (sp) which can be caused by an inherited predisposition or accident. This is a divot or tear in this material which then inhibits proper function of the joint causing the puppy pain. Sensible management of the growing dog will help prevent injury and supporting your dog on his descent from your truck continues to be a good idea:-) He might still need a boost up but soon he should be able to jump up on his own. Rose T.
puppy weight
Can anyone give me an idea of the % adult weight an unneutered male should have obtained by 10 months? Han's weight has been hanging between 83 and 85 pounds since December. Just wondering Beverly Arnold
CVBMDC Web site
Its not linked yet and I forgot to write it down : ( . Can someone send me the address? : ) Beverly
Puppy Buyer
I just ran into a young woman with her new Akita puppy yesterday. She was grateful my two were friendly to her puppy and willing to play with her. We visited a bit about the importance of socialization (and with Akitas, critical to socialize with other dogs), and I suggested she enroll the puppy in a succession of puppy kindergarten and obedience classes. I then asked her what her breeder suggested, as I understood Akitas had some issues with other dogs. She blushed and said she had bought the puppy at a pet store. It turns out she knew she wasn't supposed to do that, but the pet store supplied her with the name and address of the local breeder. She went and visited the breeder, met her dogs, and found them to be well-tempered, healthy, and well cared for. So she went back and bought the puppy, confident it was from good stock. I don't believe in beating a dead horse, and assertively pointing out everything WRONG that a puppy buyer did doesn't do much good. So I merely responded that it surprised me that any breeder who put a lot of thought and concern into her breeding would allow anyone with enough money to buy her puppies through a third party, wondering aloud why the breeder chose not to deal with buyers directly. We were both in a hurry, so had to part on that note. I hope she thinks this through, and I hope she did end up with a good puppy. I'm just still mystified about the breeder's actions -- the fact that a potential buyer would be invited out to the breeder's home under these circumstances threw me for a loop. Sure shot down the major reason for NOT buying from a pet store for THAT young woman, who thinks she did a thorough job in checking out the puppy's breeding. I have holes in my tongue from biting it. Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana, with Blackcoral Divine Miss M (Maddie), CD NDD CGC Delta/ITA Therapy Dog Sascha's Ursa Major, CGC, Delta/ITA Therapy Dog _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Special Valentine's Day Greetings!
Hi Fellow Berner Listers, I have received a very special Valentine's Greetings Card today from Michael Johnson and he has asked me to share it with you all! As you know, Berner-L does not accept attachments so I have made a special page! http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/valentine.htm Enjoy! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Re: Healthy Teeth and Gums
On the subject of bones: I have been giving my three a shank/knuckle every couple of weeks. Each one gets one-third and I don't have any trouble with diarrhea and their teeth are wonderful. But after a while chunks start breaking off the knuckle portion. Are these dangerous for the dogs to swallow? I try to watch and throw that part out when is starts breaking up. What would happen if I just allow them to keep working on it? Claudia Brydon in NW PA Barney OA NAJ (Aussie) Boomer (Bernese Mountain Dog) Mo (Gordon Setter Granddog)
CGC pointers
Hello everyone, In a couple weeks I'm going to be taking my soon-to-be 11 month old berner boy to try for his CGC! The reason I'm writing is because this will be my first time along with Oscars. Oscar is in obidence. I was wondering if those of you who have been through this had any pointers? Thanks! Kelli Oscar Livonia, MI
Atlanta Draft Test on March 15, 2003
Who else is going to the draft test in Atlanta?? Texas has 3 entries!!! We have a long drive to get there but really appreciate the Chattahoocee Valley Bernese Mountain Dog Club putting on this draft test. I hope a lot of peole will show up for this event. Entries must be received by March 1st and the premium list can be downloaded on the their website: www.cvbmdc.org Looking forward to meeting some new people. Renee Jacquier Katy, TX
Re: CGC pointers
Kelli -- If Oscar is well-socialized and good-mannered (ie: doesn't jump up on people, but isn't afraid of them either) he should do just fine. You will probably be more nervous than he is! The CGC test starts with you handing Oscar (on his leash) over to a stranger and walking away out of Oscar's sight. Oscar should not be overly concerned when you leave. He should stay (hopefully calmly!) with the tester without trying to get away. The tester then walks around other people dogs with Oscar to see that he is not aggressive or fearful. Oscar can sniff them, but not be overly interested. He will also be brushed (make sure to take his favorite brush or comb!) and handled to see that he doesn't mind someone else touching him. Pretty easy. I don't know if doing obedience with Oscar makes him any better or worse off. Baloo passed his CGC at his very first (and only) show. (Baloo is a rescue - aggression - that we had gotten a little less than a year before his CGC). Good luck - stay calm have fun!!! Liz Steinweg The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte Baloo Bobby Sox (husky-x), Figaro (20+ lb Forest Cat) Rio Sahara (the Rat Cats) and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.csbservices.com/personal/personal.htm Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a couple weeks I'm going to be taking my soon-to-be 11 month old berner boy to try for his CGC! The reason I'm writing is because this will be my first time along with Oscars. Oscar is in obidence. I was wondering if those of you who have been through this had any pointers?
Re: BERNER-L digest 4270
Hi, I'm recieving the List since a while, but this is my first time trying it with questions...we will see if I'm doing it right. Our female Berner KYLA is 4 months old and will soon have to be spayed. I heard that some vet just tie tubes and others take out the uterus...and this seems to be very drastic to me. I would apreciate to get some opinions about those procedures! My other concern is about exercise. I'm not sure how much is good and how much is too much! We take her to 1/2 hour flat walks in the woods and would be happy to increase it but don't want to stress her joints! Thank you in advance for your input! Annelise Wagner-Klein From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BERNER-L digest 4270 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:01:18 CST BERNER-L Digest 4270 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Dog Show/Wacamaw in Spartanburg, anyone? by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Colonel update#2 by Lorece Aitken [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: Raw bones Diarrhea by Ray Pat Burgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: Growth Gates? by Ray Pat Burgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) RE: Advice - Wedding Cake Toppers? by Kaethy Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: BERNER-L digest 4269 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dog Show/Wacamaw in Spartanburg, anyone? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:13:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd love to know if anyone's going to be in Spartanburg SC for the 3 day show beginning this Friday. I'd also love to know what time berners will be in the ring.. Thanks, looking forward to meeting you and your dogs too, of course :-) Franny/South Carolina -- From: Lorece Aitken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Colonel update#2 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:32:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00C9_01C2D2DE.370A74C0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C2D2DE.370A74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COLONEL'S TUMOR IS 25% SMALLER THAN IT WAS 3 WEEKS AGO! Three weeks ago tonight, we gave him the first dose of CCNU, aka = Lomustine. The only side effect was to inhibit his bone marrow's production of = blood, which bottomed out halfway between then and now, and is now back = up. Second dose was administered tonight. I must say it dismayed me that the Official Diagnosis on his release = papers said _malignant_ histiocytosis. I had been clinging to the idea = that he had systemic, since it fit the locations of his tumors better as = I understood from the website research I did (no vital organs, in lymph = nodes near the skin). I have not yet been able to ask the Dr. if the = Univ. of Wisconsin Vet School differentiates between the two or not. = Perhaps tomorrow. Anyway, for those of you who asked for updates, there you go. =20 Now a question - With this second dose, we got a pamphlet on = chemotherapy drugs - wear gloves, dispose of securely, etc. It also = mentioned that feces, urine, and vomit should be flushed and cleaned up = with Lysol, including separate laundering of soiled fabrics. And we = should confine elimination to one part of the yard so as to keep the = rest from contamination. Do any of you know if this is really = necessary, or are the drug manufacturers just covering their butts? = (I.e. can we still go to the dog park if I clean up his poop to the best = of my ability?) (And if it IS that dire, why the heck wasn't I told anything with the = FIRST dose?) (rhetorical question, unless you have a crystal ball and ARE able to = answer.) Anyway, thanks to the many of you who wrote with success stories and = support. If you pray as hard for us as for Stevie and Hugo and Jessycka = (et al.), I know we'll beat this! And Hugo almost has his chair - Berner people ROCK! Keep in touch! Lory and Randy Aitken Colonel (Are you sure that was medicine? It tasted like Cheese Whiz to = me.) Madison, WI --=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C2D2DE.370A74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---* * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * *Mail Lists at Prairienet only accept PLAIN TEXT* * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C2D2DE.370A74C0--
Re: BERNER-L digest 4270
Annelise One of the problems that can occur in bitches with their uterus is a disease called pyometra. It can be life threatening and requires emergency surgery if it occurs. Not long ago a nice woman that bought a puppy from me and was supposed to spay her lost her 4yr old to this disease. What is even sadder is that she now blames herself for not following through and spaying her girl. If you only tie the tubes and do not remove the uterus your girl will continue to have heat cycles and attract the boys who will try to breed her. She may go through some of the hormone swings that intact bitches get and even have false pregnancies. If the vet is going to do surgery on her anyway, might as well take care of it all and completely spay her. As to exercise, let your puppy be your guide and if she seems tired you've gone too far. Keep the pace varied, not a steady constant march. Let the pup run, walk, sit, sniff.she will build up much faster that way and do it safely at her own pace. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:58:47 -0800 Annelise Wagner-Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm recieving the List since a while, but this is my first time trying it with questions...we will see if I'm doing it right. Our female Berner KYLA is 4 months old and will soon have to be spayed. I heard that some vet just tie tubes and others take out the uterus...and this seems to be very drastic to me. I would apreciate to get some opinions about those procedures! My other concern is about exercise. I'm not sure how much is good and how much is too much! We take her to 1/2 hour flat walks in the woods and would be happy to increase it but don't want to stress her joints! Thank you in advance for your input! Annelise Wagner-Klein From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BERNER-L digest 4270 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:01:18 CST BERNER-L Digest 4270 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Dog Show/Wacamaw in Spartanburg, anyone? by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Colonel update#2 by Lorece Aitken [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: Raw bones Diarrhea by Ray Pat Burgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: Growth Gates? by Ray Pat Burgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) RE: Advice - Wedding Cake Toppers? by Kaethy Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: BERNER-L digest 4269 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dog Show/Wacamaw in Spartanburg, anyone? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:13:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd love to know if anyone's going to be in Spartanburg SC for the 3 day show beginning this Friday. I'd also love to know what time berners will be in the ring.. Thanks, looking forward to meeting you and your dogs too, of course :-) Franny/South Carolina -- From: Lorece Aitken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Colonel update#2 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:32:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00C9_01C2D2DE.370A74C0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C2D2DE.370A74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COLONEL'S TUMOR IS 25% SMALLER THAN IT WAS 3 WEEKS AGO! Three weeks ago tonight, we gave him the first dose of CCNU, aka = Lomustine. The only side effect was to inhibit his bone marrow's production of = blood, which bottomed out halfway between then and now, and is now back = up. Second dose was administered tonight. I must say it dismayed me that the Official Diagnosis on his release = papers said _malignant_ histiocytosis. I had been clinging to the idea = that he had systemic, since it fit the locations of his tumors better as = I understood from the website research I did (no vital organs, in lymph = nodes near the skin). I have not yet been able to ask the Dr. if the = Univ. of Wisconsin Vet School differentiates between the two or not. = Perhaps tomorrow. Anyway, for those of you who asked for updates, there you go. =20 Now a question - With this second dose, we got a pamphlet on = chemotherapy drugs - wear gloves, dispose of securely, etc. It also = mentioned that feces, urine, and vomit should be flushed and cleaned up = with Lysol, including separate laundering of soiled fabrics. And we = should confine elimination to one part of the yard so as to keep the = rest from
Re: Advice - Wedding Cake Toppers?
Our dogs were the ring bearers in our wedding. This was before we got our Bernese Ginger last year. (I'm having a figurine made so that she can sit next to the cake topper from our wedding.) I'm attaching a picture also - I hope you can open it! As you all may know, attachments are banned on Berner-L because of the virus risk! I emailed Kaethy and she sent me the jpg! Have just uploaded! Check the Updates on the Longlease Site. So much fun! Love Us All, Jean, Sunny, Sim, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Bo says Thank You!
Biggest Berner Hugs and Thank You from Bo! Further biopsy has been done on lymph node tissue to discover exactly which type of lymphosarcoma it is! Kelvin and Royce have asked me to give you special thanks here for all your mails! We are very hopeful that will be a milder lymphoma and treatable with chemo! Will let you know as soon as latest biopsy reports come in but Bo is doing fine on the Prednisone and we are hopeful! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Re: Frequency of Health Problems
- Original Message - From: Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nancy, I find it interesting that DARK skin in dogs is more prone to melanoma whereas it appears fair skinned people are more prone. Grey horses are very prone to melanoma when they lack black skin and only have silver or pink skin. Actually, all grey horses, including those with black skin, are ridiculously prone to melanoma. About 80% of grey horses have melanomas, in fact. Mine has one in her lip and about half a dozen on her tail/dock area (all are each about the size of a pea). I used to swear I wouldn't have a grey for that reason, but, well, no good horses are a bad color, right? And more info you didn't really care about . . .most greys with pink skin are not genetically grey (although they are grey in color); they are the combination of chestnut and a strong dilute or cream gene. That said, how interesting all this variety in issues is. I know too much white as an overlay can cause problems in some breeds--deafness, etc. And in horses an overo paint horse which comes out all white has a genetic defect called 'lethal white' and a zero chance of surviving. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
Ignoring Commands
ORIGINAL POST: From: Valerie Rahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our 9 month old Berner , Chiara, has started to ignore me when I tell her to come to me. She learned sit, lie down, stay, come very easily at about 4 months old but she now either doesn't listen to me or acts like I want to play with her when I call her. We are up in the mountains (Davos, Switzerland) every weekend and it would be a real shame if I couldn't let her run around because I'm afraid she won't return when I call her. She does eventually return, but it's when she feels like it. I'm a newcomer to dog training as the dogs I grew up with were already trained. Does anyone have any tips for me? Thanks,Valerie Well, Valerie, hindsight is always 20-20, so all I can offer you is what is working for me NOW, as I did not do everything correctly when my first Berner was a puppy. My younger one is better, because I did do more things correctly with him, but I still didn't manage to train him as well as I should have. With my first puppy, what I SHOULD have done is more come games between myself and another person, having the puppy run from one to the other of us with loads of treats, hugs, praise, etc. I should have been careful to NEVER call her to come when I was going to do something unpleasant (stop playing and go inside, give her a bath, apply medication, etc.). Come should always be something positive and lavishly rewarded in every way, and practiced frequently as a puppy. I did do this with Major, and he's considerably more reliable than my first. So a few months ago I had a rather independent, stubborn adult female who cames ONLY when it suits her, and a pretty obedient but goofy adolescent male who was starting to question my authority. To improve their recall (response to a come command), I always make sure I have plenty of treats, and when they're romping around doing their thing, I spontaneously call one or both, rewarding them with a treat and lots of praise. During a half-hour romp at the off-leash dog park, I might do this 10 to 12 times. I am now getting almost perfect response to my come command under all kinds of circumstances -- playing with another dog, sniffing something particularly interesting, a neighbor's cat. I'm a novice at any kind of training, but this appears to be working. With my NEXT puppy, I'll be much more diligent about proper and appropriate training and hopefully not have to retrain like this. Good luck! Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana, with Blackcoral Divine Miss M (Maddie), CD NDD CGC Delta/ITA Therapy Dog Sascha's Ursa Major, CGC Delta/ITA Therapy Dog _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Generosity and the Berner-L
Berner owners are an amazing group of people, and it's a group of which I'm proud and privileged to be a part. The efforts that people take to help each other and the breed as a whole are just fantastic. We have people who run incredibly involved fundraisers, people who help set up websites for fundraisers behind the scenes, people who donate items to fundraisers, a group called BEHAF that helps individuals, and a veritable army of caring and generous people. I personally have always focused on ways to help the breed as a whole. Health research, educational efforts, rescue efforts, lobbying efforts, and the like. I have always supported as many of the other fundraisers as possible, either financially or with donations of items. I would ask that if people want to use this List as a means of raising funds for any specific owner or dog, that they keep a few things in mind. 1) Establish a single person to coordinate the efforts. Figure out the specifics, and also allow for insufficient or over sufficient donations. Where will the extra funds go? Where will the funds go if they are not sufficient? Will they be returned? 2) Find a way to verify the need. There are people who will try to take advantage, and once burnt, future similar efforts can be irreparably damaged. 3) Be ready for some very hurt feelings. This community does not exist to help every owner, and it is often not possible to even help all of those that we would like to help. BEHAF was established for just this sort of purpose, and their Special Friends funds can be used to help specific people who may not qualify for general BEHAF funds. They have done a very good job at anticipating many of the unusual situations, and have established policies and procedures. They are there for us all, whether in need or trying to share. We have a great many very generous people. I hope to see that continue, and I would like to make certain that their generosity isn't abused. Each of us adopted dogs with the knowledge that there would be expenses involved. Sometimes those expenses are excessive and unexpected. Sometimes the expenses are reasonable, and sometimes they are just a grasp for any hope, however slim. It is for each of us to examine our motives and choices when we determine a treatment for our dogs. Cost is always a factor as well as quality of life issues for the dog and the family. I can't tell anyone what is a reasonable decision for them to make for their dog, but I also can't help share the financial burden of each of those decisions - as much as I might like to do so. Before giving anyone advice, think. Telling someone to get CAT scan for their dog might be an excellent diagnostic tool for the vet, but it may be out of financial reach for most of us on the List. Prolonged chemo and radiation therapy may be a good treatment plan for certain cancers, but not everyone would be able to afford the cost in time and money. People making hard choices often feel guilty enough if they are unable to provide everything that they think should be provided. Going to the best vet hospital is often even worse - they have the best training and the best equipment, but they are usually happy to recommend some of the most expensive treatments without thought of the family or the dog. They want to learn, and they don't learn much by saying that the best thing for this dog and this family is to enjoy what time is left without any expensive treatment attempts. We all have made or will make some hard choices. (If any of us has unlimited resources, please contact me at once! I can find ways to help unburden you!) Those hard choices are a part of what dog ownership is all about. We want to keep them with us forever, but we can't. No matter how much it may cost. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
How MSN Users Must Post To The List
Let me preface this post by loudly exclaiming that I am the type of person easily intimidated by a soda pop machine and, what is worse, is that all machinery seems to sense this; perhaps even smelling my fear. Now, this is entirely different from, for me, a trip to the dentist, where I loudly announce my terror, making no secret of such, and, in a cathartic and completely childish display, share my agony with the entire office complex. From 1996 to 2001, I was owned by an HP computer. You read that correctly, the machine required that I hire someone to tend to its whims and sleep outside so there would be room for its manuals and software in the warm, cozy house. I grew up in the late 1950s and early 1960s, when authority figures were respected and obeyed, so, when the HP said, Jump!, I asked, How high? Then, after I managed to finally stop trembling, I could sit on my stool and resume typing. In early 2001, my tutor attempted to install a second hard drive; the HP went into a rage, gigantic in proportion, frothing from the CD slot, and attempting to grab onto me like a giant metal leech, while alternating between flashing ugly messages and becoming completely catatonic. So, I donated it to a local senior center. Sometimes, late at night, I hear a delivery truck, wares clanging about in its bed as it makes its way down the road in front of my house and, before I am fully awake, I think, much like Freddy Kruger, that the ol' HP has come back to even the score. But, I digress. Off to CompUSA I went and said to the twelve year old that offered to assist me, I want a computer that your great-Granny could operate. Now, all that this machine does is e-mail and web surf; it is operated entirely by msn, which, much like a father figure, imposing and all-knowing, I thoroughly trust to guide me and never betray me. There is no software or hardware and I think I love it. And, after two years, changing the cartridges in the printer hardly frightens me at all anymore. I am so proud of myself. So, I sign on to get my Bernese e-mail and a fellow New Englander, not formerly from Detroit, as am I, sends me a note stating that my post was grabbed by aliens who tampered with it before releasing it to the list. I break into a cold sweat and begin to panic. And, it appears that my simple and sweet machine is experiencing an identity crisis, warming up to hotmail, attempting to join a cyber inner circle of sorts, much like the one to which I have aspired, socially, for years. My stomach actually begins to churn. I make a quick trip to the bathroom. One day, at my wit's end, dark circles under my eyes, I stop trying to convince my 'puter that it must relinquish this hotmail fixation, and it, in turn, happily sends a message to our list. You must log onto www.hotmail.com you think it's that easy, do you? Hah, hah, hah, hah... A page then appears asking you for your password; another dash to the commode when I first saw this. What password??? SOB! Well, I DID select one when I signed onto msn service for the first time so I tried that and, lo and behold, it worked! GASP! After my heart began to beat normally again and I wiped the perspiration from my eyes, I resumed random tapping on the keys and was taken to a page where I could compose messages and the rest, as they say, is history! Trust me, if I can do it, then so can you; I am the one for whom the computer gurus write the Idiot books! Lisa Allen _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
BARF
Thank you everyone who sent me information and supply lists. I am just about ready for my boy to come home. I have one last issue to resolve. I have been reading a lot about the BARF diet and have heard a lot of positive things and no negatives. Are there any draw backs to a raw diet? Does a raw diet make the dog more aggressive and less domesticated? And finally, I have read that it is less expensive to feed a raw diet than commercial, I cant see how this is possible. Anyone with any information on draw backs of this diet please let me know. Thank you Jenn (and soon very soon Charlie)
RE: BARF
Jean, The biggest drawback I know of the BARF diet is a lack of dietary knowledge. My understanding of the four basic food groups for humans is as follows: Chocolate McDonald's Potato Chips Chocolate That's not a mistake, chocolate is important enough to be two separate food groups. Green is not a color that I like to see in food. Personally, I've been waiting for People Chow so I can just keep a bag in the kitchen and grab a handful every time I walk by. As you might imagine, I have a difficult time forcing myself to prepare a balanced meal. I wouldn't have the slightest idea what would constitute a balanced diet for another species! Pat Long Berwyn PA
Re: Healthy Teeth and Gums
Vicky wrote: I have found raw beef and pork ribs, and pork neck bones, to be very effective with my dogs. snip I do not wish to spark a BARF debate, only pose a question. Is it safe to feed dogs raw pork?? Only after it has been frozen for at least five days first? Please see below: Jeff Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners N. California, USA http://snobear.freeyellow.com Trichinellosis (TRICK-a-NELL-o-sis) What is Trichinellosis? Trichinellosis, also called trichinosis (TRICK-a-NO-sis), is caused by eating raw or undercooked pork and wild game products infected with the larvae of a species of worm called Trichinella. Infection occurs worldwide, but is most common in areas where raw or undercooked pork, such as ham or sausage, is eaten. What are the symptoms of a trichinellosis infection? Nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, fatigue, fever, and abdominal discomfort are the first symptoms of trichinellosis. Headaches, fevers, chills, cough, eye swelling, aching joints and muscle pains, itchy skin, diarrhea, or constipation follow the first symptoms. If the infection is heavy, patients may experience difficulty coordinating movements, and have heart and breathing problems. In severe cases, death can occur. For mild to moderate infections, most symptoms subside within a few months. Fatigue, weakness, and diarrhea may last for months. How soon after infection will symptoms appear? Abdominal symptoms can occur 1-2 days after infection. Further symptoms usually start 2-8 weeks after eating contaminated meat. Symptoms may range from very mild to severe and relate to the number of infectious worms consumed in meat. Often, mild cases of trichinellosis are never specifically diagnosed and are assumed to be the flu or other common illnesses. How does infection occur in humans and animals? When a human or animal eats meat that contains infective Trichinella cysts, the acid in the stomach dissolves the hard covering of the cyst and releases the worms. The worms pass into the small intestine and, in 1-2 days, become mature. After mating, adult females lay eggs. Eggs develop into immature worms, travel through the arteries, and are transported to muscles. Within the muscles, the worms curl into a ball and encyst (become enclosed in a capsule). Infection occurs when these encysted worms are consumed in meat. Am I at risk for trichinellosis? If you eat raw or undercooked meats, particularly pork, bear, wild feline (such as a cougar), fox, dog, wolf, horse, seal, or walrus, you are at risk for trichinellosis. Can I spread trichinellosis to others? No. Infection can only occur by eating raw or undercooked meat containing Trichinella worms. What should I do if I think I have trichinellosis? See your health care provider who can order tests and treat symptoms of trichinellosis infection. If you have eaten raw or undercooked meat, you should tell your health care provider. How is trichinellosis infection diagnosed? A blood test or muscle biopsy can show if you have trichinellosis. How is trichinellosis infection treated? Several safe and effective prescription drugs are available to treat trichinellosis. Treatment should begin as soon as possible and the decision to treat is based upon symptoms, exposure to raw or undercooked meat, and laboratory test results. Is trichinellosis common in the United States? Infection was once very common; however, infection is now relatively rare. From 1991-1996, an annual average of 38 cases per year were reported. The number of cases has decreased because of legislation prohibiting the feeding of raw meat garbage to hogs, commercial and home freezing of pork, and the public awareness of the danger of eating raw or undercooked pork products. Cases are less commonly associated with pork products and more often associated with eating raw or undercooked wild game meats. How can I prevent trichinellosis? Cook meat products until the juices run clear or to an internal temperature of 170 degrees F., Freeze pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 o F to kill any worms. Cook wild game meat thoroughly. Freezing wild game meats, unlike freezing pork products, even for long periods of time, may not effectively kill all worms, Cook all meat fed to pigs or other wild animals, Do not allow hogs to eat uncooked carcasses of other animals, including rats, which may be infected with trichinellosis. Clean meat grinders thoroughly if you prepare your own ground meats. Curing (salting), drying, smoking, or microwaving meat does not consistently kill infective worms. For more information: Centers for Disease Control. Trichinosis Surveillance, United States, 1987-1990, MMWR 1991;40:(SS-3)35-42. Moorhead A, Grunenwald PE, Dietz VJ, Schantz PM. Trichinellosis in the United States, 1991-1996: Declining but not gone. Am J Trop Med Hyg 1999; 60:66-69.
Re: BARF
I see that you do in deed lack dietary knowledge, Pat, tho you have a good understanding of the basics. You listed the 4 basic food groups as: Chocolate McDonald's Potato Chips Chocolate You scored a 50%,which is really pretty good, you are half there. Here is the correct list, based on my intensive research and experience on one one human being (me.) Chocolate Coffee Pina coladas Chocolate After all, it is what I crave and nature knows best! :-) Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
Re: BARF
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:48:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see that you do in deed lack dietary knowledge, Pat, tho you have a good understanding of the basics. You listed the 4 basic food groups as: Chocolate McDonald's Potato Chips Chocolate You scored a 50%,which is really pretty good, you are half there. Here is the correct list, based on my intensive research and experience on one one human being (me.) Chocolate Coffee Pina coladas Chocolate Actually Vilma, I think you are both fairly close but you are scoring 75% due to ethnic differences. Down here in my neck of the woods I would have to say we list the 4 groups as: Chocolate Coffee Margueritas Chocolate Viva la difference Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: CGC pointers
Liz, Actually, the owner stays w/ the dog and takes him thru the 10 portions of the CGC (Canine Good Citizen) test. The owner goes w/ the dog and can talk to him thru all those steps of politely meeting new people and ignoring strange dogs, doing a sit and then a recall and a brief stay, allowing brief brushing by a stranger, etc. The very LAST step is the handler going out of site for a few minutes while a stranger simply holds the lead. The dog is only required to be calm when the handler is out of site, nothing else. Check the AKC website (www.akc.org) for exact requirements for the test. Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
hugo, behalf, and rehab
as many of you know we have successfully raised enough money for a chair for hugo. this chair will be passed on to any other berner who is in need of it. it has been suggest to donna that she get another mri for hugo. this would establish what hugo's neurological status truly is and would give rehabilitation guidance. obviously after the two surgeries, multiple mri's etc the cost is prohibitive. we have made hugo a special fund of behalf. what that means is that if you would like to contribute money to help with hugo's mri you can send a check to behalf with that purpose clearly stated. the money will then go to help foot the bill. BEHAF 25421 Wagner Rd Caldwell ID 83607 Or use your Visa or MC to instantly send your donation via Paypal:NOTE: if you wish your Paypal donation to be applied to a specific BEHAF fund, please send us an e-mail with your instructions. thanks for helping hugo andrea, woofit and chi shavertown, pa http://www.brin.org/Woofit_and_Chi/
Spaying vs tied tubes
Our female Berner KYLA is 4 months old and will soon have to be spayed. I heard that some vet just tie tubes and others take out the uterus...and this seems to be very drastic to me. I would apreciate to get some opinions about those procedures! Annelise Wagner-Klein Hola Annelise! The purpose of spaying a girl (ovariohysterectomy (OVH)), which implies the removal of the uterus and ovaries; is basically to suppress all ovarian hormonal activity. This way, a girl won't be in heat, won't get accidentally pregnant, will greatly reduce the risk of mammary glands tumors, eliminate the risk of pyometra and uterus and ovarian cancer and most likely, have the chance of living a longer, healthier life Ü. See: http://www.bmd.org/health/surveyreport.html Tying the tubes only prevents pregnancy...and not always. This is not an acceptable procedure for most vets. Both surgeries last approximately the same time, recovery time is the same, cuts are the same, but the benefit for your girl and your family is not the same! At the hospital I work this is a banned surgery, even if it means that the client goes to another vet who'd agree on tying only ;-). Hope this helps! Belly rubs for Kyla Ü Laura and the MexGang Ravel, Abby and our AngelDogs, Normann and Baxter Laura Lopez-Mendez, DVM Mexico City [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/llmvet/MexGang.html
digest 4271 Ignoring Commands
Hi Rhona ~ Don't fret..Your pup is not behaving any differently than any other pup her age. I don't remember where I read it, or what seminar I attended that we discussed this behavior, but it is NORMAL. Dogs go through various critical periods and learning stages until they reach about 2yrs and then some, for some breeds. What you are describing sounds like perfectly on target and age appropriate behavior...behavior that really seems to rattle our brains and nerves! It seems all is going swell until that one morning you wake up and your sweet and obedient furball acts like she just ate stupid pills!!! Grr! Hang tough! It seems that between the ages of 9 -11 months, dogs reach this learning plateau and conveniently seem to selectively *forget* what was once rock solid. It only lasts a short time and then, they are back to where you left off. To me this stage is synonomous with preteens/teenagers. They are exercising some independence and really testing the waters and looking for any open window of opportunity to see what they can get away with. Now is the time to REALLY stick to your guns in training. Be consistant, more than ever. Be firm, more than ever. Don't let your pup get away with anything, no matter how cute she appears. If you ask her to sit for example, be sure she sits...even if it takes her an hour to comply. She must comply to your request or you can score one for her...you lose. And of course, be sure to reward her handsomely when she does comply to your requests. If you continue with diligent training (which IMO never stops) your *sugar bumps of a pup* will come around and show you just how much she really does know and never *really forgot* VBG! Helen Hollander, CPDT,CBC The Educated Pup, LLC Lawrence, NY APDT # 5888P x12//03 Be mindful that happiness is not based on possessions, power, or prestige, but on relationships with people you love and respect.
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Re: BARF
H .I think that Pat is going to have to add a 5th (no pun intended) item (Margueritas) to her four basic food groups!!! Joye Neff --On Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:10 PM -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:r On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:48:00 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see that you do in deed lack dietary knowledge, Pat, tho you have a good understanding of the basics. You listed the 4 basic food groups as: Chocolate McDonald's Potato Chips Chocolate You scored a 50%,which is really pretty good, you are half there. Here is the correct list, based on my intensive research and experience on one one human being (me.) Chocolate Coffee Pina coladas Chocolate Actually Vilma, I think you are both fairly close but you are scoring 75% due to ethnic differences. Down here in my neck of the woods I would have to say we list the 4 groups as: Chocolate Coffee Margueritas Chocolate Viva la difference Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
RE: show etiquette
Hi Rhona, I attended the Westminster Kennel Club Show this week, which is also a benched event. We waited till after they were shown to go ogle the Berners in the benched area - which was easy because they were up at 9:00am on the first day! Even if they aren't up first at Crufts it's best to wait till they've been shown before you go chatting up the breeders/owners/handlers. From the reactions of other breed's owners/handlers, they are too stressed before their dogs are shown to talk to bystanders. Crufts and Westminster are premier events and many breeders have spent mucho $$$ getting their dogs ready for a major show. It may be fun for us but it's work for them. But afterwards, I was able to track down everyone but the winning Berner's breeder (who still had the Group to worry about). The rest of the people in the benched area were friendly, outgoing and informative once the pressure was off. I think the pros recognize that among people coming to dog shows are many excellent sources of potential new talent to support the future of the breed. And since I haven't heard about a lot of dog show people getting rich from it, I have to assume they're doing it largely out of love for the breed and their dogs...though bragging rights must be nice too! :-) The benched area at Westminster was organized by breed, so it was easy to find most of the Berners together in row 15, aisle A. But at least at Westminster, they had a separate catch-all area for handlers who are showing multiple dogs of multiple breeds. Unfortunately, that's often where the creme de la creme of dogdom are hiding out. The benched area was super crowded with handlers trying to prep dogs, people trying to exercise/feed/snuggle their dogs and pesky bystanders like me asking a zillion questions. In the process, I got to meet some really nice people. Take care, - Alex Ford (future Berner parent) [Original Message] From: Rhona Vantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/13/2003 4:30:12 AM Subject: show etiquette I attended Crufts Dog Show last year and loved it! I hope to go again this year. My question is, what is the proper etiquette when you go to these shows. Someone mentioned recently that at a big show its probably not the best of times to bounce up to a handler and start asking questions.I desperately wanted to touch all those beautiful benched berners but wasnt sure if I should. The handlers all seemed to be grouped and chatting. I can count on one hand the amount of dog shows Ive been able to attend but at one in San Antonio, Texas I touched a Golden Retriever and the handler asked me to please not touch the dog. I felt really bad. Rhona and Louis In The Netherlands __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: CGC pointers
Vilma -- I am sorry. You are correct. See, I was so nervous I even forgot what we did! Actually, I did hide out of sight of Baloo for the entire test. My daughter took him through the test. I guess I have separation-anxiety complex - the only part that I remembered was being away from my boy! Thanks for the correction ;-) Liz Steinweg The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte Baloo Bobby Sox (husky-x), Figaro (20+ lb Forest Cat) Rio Sahara (the Rat Cats) and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.csbservices.com/personal/personal.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: Re: CGC pointers Liz, Actually, the owner stays w/ the dog and takes him thru the 10 portions of the CGC (Canine Good Citizen) test. The owner goes w/ the dog and can talk to him thru all those steps of politely meeting new people and ignoring strange dogs, doing a sit and then a recall and a brief stay, allowing brief brushing by a stranger, etc. The very LAST step is the handler going out of site for a few minutes while a stranger simply holds the lead. The dog is only required to be calm when the handler is out of site, nothing else. Check the AKC website (www.akc.org) for exact requirements for the test. Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
