leg injuries

2003-03-13 Thread Radha Iyengar
I have a question for the list.  Smokey has once again
hurt his leg.  This is about the 4th time something
like this has happened.  I am worried that there may
be something I (and my vet) are missing so here's the
story:

Smokey is 1 year and has twisted his ankle, broken one
of his toes, and now done something to his ankle
again.  It usually happens when we are on our off
leash walks and he is running about.  He has no other
health problems and heals quickly after getting some
anti-inflammatory medicine and some rest.  What I am
worried about is that something else (like a problem
with hips or elbows) is causing him to be off balanced
and making him get injured.  Is this likely?  How
would I know what to do about this?  Or maybe it is
just clumisness as Smokey still grows into his body. 
Oh, he is about 27" and weights 120lbs.

Any advise or references about where to look about
this is greatly appreciated.

Radha (and Smokey--now on houserest and unhappy about it!)

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Re: AKC CHF Malignant Histiocytosis Fundraiser

2003-03-13 Thread Marjie


A few people have asked to donate something in Dunbar's name.  The Hutchinson
Histiocytosis study sounds so promising.  If you would like to honor my Dunbar,
please consider a donation to this raffle.  Besides, you might win  one of these
gorgeous paintings.

Marjie
Missing my Dunbar, sleep in peace my sweet baby boy



Berner Golf Club Covers..... FOUND SOME!!!!!

2003-03-13 Thread BMDresQ
HI Everyone,

I was in Patt Wiegand's shop that sells all kind of breed collectibles. 
She told me that she will be getting in some golf club covers that are 
Berners. She also has ton's of other breeds available. I know I've seen 
several requests from people looking for them. The picture she showed me is 
really cute! They will even fit the "Big Bertha" style heads. She should be 
getting them any day. If you want to get more information, you can reach her 
at canterbury-tails.com The number to her shop is 248-393-1300.

Bruce, Linda and the "Furry Five"



Re: mast cell tumors..

2003-03-13 Thread Susan Berlin
Yes, I have, and her name was Maggie, too. If you HAVE to have a cancer, a
mast cell cancer might be the one of choice -- depending, of course, on the
grade. If it's not too far advanced, the trick is to take out the tumour AND
a large margin surrounding it to make sure you've got it all.

Maggie had hers removed at around 6 years, and lived another almost 4 years,
mast-cell tumour free.

Best of luck. Keep the list informed.

Susan
and Djinn the berner
and Riley the ?? rescue
and the two cats


> Hi all
> anyone have a berner survive this..mast cell tumors..maggie just got
diagnosed..> maura



Ozzie/Glucosamine

2003-03-13 Thread stella logan
Hi all,

I want to thank all of you for your replies concerning Ozzie and the 
problems he was having with his back legs when trying to get up from a down 
position. We have been giving him glucosamine for the past month and 
apparently it seems to be working. For the most part his stiffness seems to 
have disappeared and he doesn't seem to be struggling as before. This is 
good news. I will speak to my vet about xrays next month when Ozzie goes in 
for his yearly checkup. Thank you for your support and advice.

Sheryl Taylor and Ozzie
Richmond Hill, Ontario




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RE Puppy Games

2003-03-13 Thread catherine green
Hi Wendy!

At our training classes we play recall games (alot!) as well as the
following --
1 -- Shark-infested Waters -- this game works the Stay command with
distractions (so it may be a bit advanced for puppies.) 2 Rows of
chairs, one for each team.  The first player goes to the first chair and
stands by it, instructing Fido to Sit/Down & Stay. Once the first dog is
settled,, the ssecond player goes to the second chair and does the same
as the first player. And so on, each player/dog duo assuming a Stay
position by a chair. Once the last dog has gone to a chair, the first
dog/player combo leapfrogs past the last dog and goes to the next chair
(ideally, if there are 4 duos then there would be say, 6 chairs) and so
forth until all dogs have gone down the row and are now on the other
side of the room. If at any time, a player/dog duo breaks the Stay, the
team yells "Shark-infested Waters!" and the team  has to start over
again. It's fun.

2 -- Dress Your Puppy -- In this one, the goal is to get pups used to
being handled and having a t-shirt put on them. (Good to acclimate them
to such a thing -- sometimes medical emergencies can mean wearing
strange gear for a while.). Again, 2 teams. Each duo moves across the
room to a chair. There, the trainer or assistant will feed the pup some
really tasty morsels while the owner puts a t-shirt (or bandanna for
really tiny pooches). Then the duo heads back so another duo can start.
The dogs are pretty cute and funny.

3 -- Another version of this is to have the owner put the dog on a Stay
or drop a tidbit and use the Leave It command while sitting in the chair
and either reciting the alphabet or eating a candy bar. Best for dogs
with more advanced skills.

I'll ask our trainer for ideas when I see her this Saturday.
Hope this helps!

Catherine Young
Madison WI
Shadow, Mickey & Jenny

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berner sighting and Mary Townsend

2003-03-13 Thread bernese
Hi all

First the info on Mary. There WAS an obit in the Canton Repository on Wed
Mar 12 for a Mary K Townsend..I knew it wasn't "our" Mary when I read
that this Mary "operated Dunks Diner and Catering Service as well as Dunks
Furniture in Astabula"also that she was proceeded in death by her
husband Thomas. Walt is Mary's husband. Just so you know...the Canton
Repository is the "big" newspaper in the Canton/Massillon area here in Ohio.

On to the berner sighting. In Walgreens I bought the last 2 berner cards
they hada black and white of 2 darling berners, blank inside, put out by
Hallmark under their "impromptu" line. And, of course I HAD to tell the
check out lady "we have dogs like this" and show the her some pics of
Bacchus and Ari.

Cathi



AKC CHF Malignant Histiocytosis Fundraiser

2003-03-13 Thread Dr. William B. Neff
When I get home from work, I rush to the mailbox to see what checks have 
arrived from which countries and there have been none!!!  My mailbox has 
not had any checks for our fundraiser for THREE WHOLE DAYS!!!
Remember.this fundraiser is for Grant #2214 and is being conducted to 
help raise money for cancer research in the study being done in the 
Ostrander Lab at The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, 
Washington.  Heidi Parker and her colleagues are trying to identify the DNA 
variants that cause Malignant Histiocytosis. The efforts of these 
researchers will, it is hoped, lead, in the next three to four years, to a 
DNA test using associated markers for this disease.   Every week, we hear 
of Berners who have been diagnosed with malignant histiocytosis, or worse 
yet, who have lost the battle against malignant histiocytosis.  I know only 
too well that horribly helpless feeling that you get when you hear those 
words.   How wonderful it would be for breeders to be able to test their 
Berners and to be able to breed this terrible disease out of their lines. 
We NEED YOUR SUPPORT to help make this happen.

Willem Wijnberg, a hobby artist from the Netherlands has donated two more 
lovely paintings of Berners to help raise money for cancer research. 
Karen Pickel has once again made a terrific website for our fundraiser, so 
you can see Willem's paintings.   Be sure to check it out and to also click 
on the link for information on the study and read about how you and your 
Berner can help this research project:
http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/histio/

Willem's first painting (14 x 10 inches) is titled "Mother and Daughter." 
This is based on a beautiful photo that Pat Long took of Dottie Schulte's 
two Berners, who were father and son.

The second painting (14 x 10 inches) Willem titled "NEW HAPPINESS"  and is 
a puppy from the litter of Fiona Gordon.  The puppy's name is Bella.   Be 
sure to read the story of this title on Karen Pickel's web site.

The fundraiser runs from February 25th through April 5th, 2003.  That is 
not far away - it is only a little more than three weeks away.

I have given the price of tickets in ten different currencies so it is 
easier for those not living in the USA to send in their contributions to 
this fundraiser.  Jean Cheesman and Willem Wijnberg  have already contacted 
clubs in several other countries about publicizing this fundraiser among 
it's members.   I'd love to see a lot of donations from people in other 
countries, because this research is going to help Berners worldwide.

If you are sending US fund, please make your checks payable to "AKC CHF" 
(contributions to AKC CHF are tax deductible and are matched at 50% by the 
AKC) and in the memo part of your check, write "Grant #2214."

As usual, I can accept foreign cheques, with no extra charge from my bank. 
Make these cheques payable to "Joye M. Neff," so I can convert them to US 
dollars.

Please mail your check to:
Joye M. Neff
1182 Firwood Drive
Pittsburgh, PA  15243-1825
Please send me the following information with your check:
Name
Address
Phone Number
E-Mail Address
How you want to distribute your tickets
Willem insisted that this fundraiser be in memory of my Berner, Winston, 
who lost the battle to Malignant Histiocytosis on Jan. 4th, 2003 at the age 
of 'almost five years old.'   I insisted that the fundraiser be in memory 
of all Berners who have lost their lives to this terrible cancer.   We 
compromised and it is for both!

Jean Cheesman, from the UK, has made a wonderful Histio Roll Call web site 
that has photos and stories of some of the Berners who left their owners 
much too soon because of this disease.   Be sure that you visit the site to 
see these very special, loving Berners: 
http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/histiorollcall.htm
If you have lost a Berner to malignant histiocytosis and would like to have 
him/her included in this website, contact Jean at:	[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Last year, we raised a total of $5595 for the study of malignant 
histiocytosis.   I would like us to TOP that number with this fundraiser. 
Remember that the AKC matches your donation at a rate of 50% so for every 
dollar you give, fifty cents is donated as a matching amount.   So far, we 
have raised $898 for the fund.we have a LONG way to go and need to 
raise around $4800 more to surpass our last fundraiser.   I'm counting on 
each and every one of you to help!   The time to send in your checks is 
NOW!!!

Please help us fight Malignant Histiocytosis.  There are far too many young 
and old Berners who lose the battle to this terrible disease every day. We 
need to find a way to eliminate Malignant Histiocytosis.   Won't you please 
be part of the solution - we CAN and WILL make a difference!!

Joye Neff and Nick (Ben)
In memory of Winston Poohbear (1998-2003)
Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA


drafting

2003-03-13 Thread Molly Bass
Hi all,

I was lucky enough this fall to win the cart in the BEHAF raffle but was 
out of town until December - thanks to the hard work of Vilma Briggs and 
Joye Neff, the cart arrived at my house a few weeks ago (thank you Cathi 
too! It is gorgeous!). In preparation for the cart, I took my siwash 
harness and fitted it to Kosak, I put the tracers on him, and I hooked him 
up to Bianca's old plastic wagon - FREAK OUT He ran me into 
a brick wall, down a hill - it was a disaster and this is after doing the 
weights on the end, the loose tracers, etc! So Wendi Giordano brought over 
her small competition cart from dog works hoping the more silent wheels and 
lower profile would be less threatening and he might actually pull it - 
FREAK OUT!! Great - I have this lovely cart coming and the 
dog is scared to death So Wendi and I patiently tried several more 
times, each time he was a little more calm and a little more tolerant.

Well the cart arrived and we decided to see what he would do - dang if that 
dog doesn't know that is HIS cart and he pulled it up the hill, turned 
around and pulled it back down the hill. Either he knows it is his, he has 
given up and decided to cooperate, or the aura from Ruth Nielsen, drafter 
extraordinaire, in his presence caused him to have some metamorphosis.  I 
have no clue, but he is on his way to being a drafting fool! Yeah for 
Kosak! and thank you Cathi for building such a lovely cart!

Molly and the gang + 3 little squirts
Charlottesville, VA


Invisable Fencing

2003-03-13 Thread Denise Vickers
Regarding invisible fencing.  I do not have one, I have a physical 
fence.  I have almost 3 acres fenced  - yes it is expensive and there is 
maintenance, but I have piece of mind.  Friends visit often bringing 
their dogs over for a run off leach in a large, safe, fenced area.  They 
could not do this if I had a invisible fence for they would have to 
train their dog on my invisible fence line with a shock collar - or keep 
it leached up.   I baby-sit my sisters and my parents dogs and no dogs 
have ever escaped.  My neighbors dogs who wander often can only pick a 
fight through the fence.  An invisible fence can be deceiving to 
children, the postman and responsible adults.  Most don't realize they 
are in or near an invisible fence area until it is too late.  Not all 
dogs like children or adults for that matter, and not all people are 
comfortable with dogs - especially unleashed dogs.  Have you ever walked 
through a neighborhood on a quite evening and had the poop scared out of 
you when a barking, unleashed dog rushed the sidewalk only to stop four 
feet from you for no apparent reason.  Granted no harm was done but the 
two year old in the stroller cried for several more blocks.

-Denise
Michigan, USA


RE: Berner-Garde Website Database

2003-03-13 Thread Pat Long & Paul Dangel
Kim,

I'm one of the contacts for the Bernese Mountain Dog Genealogical Site,
how can I help? Contact me off the List?

Pat





RE: Help Needed ASAP of how to send tumors

2003-03-13 Thread Pat Long & Paul Dangel
Renee,

I'm so sorry to hear about Bear, and I'll be waiting on pins and needles
with everyone else to hear what the Oncologist says. There is an article
about histio on my website, you can read it here:
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/

There is not currently any tumor submission process for UC Davis. There
had been one subsidized by Berner-Garde, but due to circumstances beyond
anyone's control, the arrangement was canceled. 

There is a tumor registry with GDC, and that and an eye registry are the
only registries they are currently maintaining. To submit the
information about an existing pathology report, you can find the form
at: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/gdc/Tumorfm.htm
Do not attempt to submit any actually tumors, only the tumor registry is
being utilized currently. (option 3, to submit an existing histopath
report)

There is a study that is currently underway at Fred Hutchinson Cancer
Research Center in Seattle, Washington. They are working to find the
genes responsible for malignant histiocytosis and cancer susceptibility.
Here is the information for participating in that study:

--

Genetic Research for Genes related to Cancer Susceptibility. 
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center is trying to find the gene for
cancer susceptibility, and is using blood drawn from Bernese Mountain
Dogs that have been positively diagnosed with histio - either systemic
or malignant. They still need more samples for their work. They need
samples from dogs that have had or (will have post-mortem) a positive
diagnosis made. They are also very much in need of "control" samples
from Berners over the age of 10 that have not been diagnosed with
histio.  (But. We have found that this does not mean that the dog will
never get histio, so necropsy for these dogs is also important. They
realize this may not be for some years after the sample donation!) I'm
sorry, I know I sound very cold hearted here, but in order to look for
genes, they need to know these diagnoses positively! The "control"
samples are very important to the success of the study, and will be
greatly appreciated!

Information on this study and other studies will be posted at
www.bmdca.org in the health section. Instructions for submission of
blood samples for this study are:

1. request a free blood collection kit from Kenine Comstock or Heidi
Parker in Elaine Ostrander's lab Please email both Kenine and Heidi
([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or call (206) 667-6980
to insure that a kit is sent to you as soon as possible.
2. Follow the enclosed instructions:
 a. Have your vet fill the tubes with blood
 b. label the tubes with dog's name, breed, sex, age, owner's name
and phone number, and include a pedigree and relative health
information.
 c. use the enclosed mailing label
 d. mail it priority mail to FHCRC
 e. call or email them to let them know it's on its way

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I'll try to help in any way that I can, which never feels like enough. I
also have the blood collection kits for the FHCRC here, so if anyone
does need one, I can mail them out priority mail as well.

Please hug that Bear for me, and I'm sorry I didn't see your post
sooner!

Pat Long, with loving memories of Hannibal
Berwyn PA



Looking for a Microchip Clinic in NY/NJ

2003-03-13 Thread KMTWHITT
If anyone knows of any microchip clinics coming up in or around NYC, could they let me 
know.  Thanks.

Karen Thoubboron
Maibock Kennel
Pittsfield, MA 



The Angel Lady

2003-03-13 Thread Pat Long & Paul Dangel
As Joye mentioned, Karen Connors is our own very special Angel Lady. For
those of you who know someone who needs a Berner Angel Pin, you can
contact Karen to let her know, and she'll send it out. It's her legacy
to her Britney, or rather Britney's legacy to us all. And Britney has
touched a great many of us.

Karen has done this all on her own, at her own expense. She won't take a
penny for it. BUT. It adds up - as you can imagine. I happen to know
where she gets her angel pins, and our very own Joye Neff is the person
who gets those pins for Karen wholesale. Joye keeps an Angel Fund for
anyone that wants to contribute. I don't actually know of anyone who has
contributed to it, but I have heard that Karen is getting a good many
more angel pins than she expected to... So to all of you who help keep
our own Angel Lady in pins - THANK YOU ALL!!! I'm sorry to say that I
help keep her busy with names of people who need pins.

Pat Long (& Luther)
Berwyn PA



Berner-Garde Website Database

2003-03-13 Thread Kim Morrow
Can someone help me find the person to contact re: information of dogs on
The Bernese Mountain Dog Genealogical Site?

Thank-you!
Kim Morrow
Susa Reg'd
Saskatoon, SK
http://www.bernesedogs.com



Re: Elbows and Obedience Training

2003-03-13 Thread Martha Hoverson
Hi Anne and Maddie!
Molly is great at "sit" and terrific at holding eye contact and pretty 
reliable at "down," but she has been thoroughly inconsistent about 
responding to "come."  It's my theory that because of her painful elbows she 
has gotten into the habit of thinking about whether the reward will justify 
the discomfort.  With her elbows, it is clearly the rising up that is a 
problem.  You can hear them clicking, and she nearly always hesitates when 
getting up from the floor or ground.  On the other hand, if the "reward" 
were another dog to play with, she would jump right up and go!  So my 2 
cents worth is that when they have elbow pain, they weigh the options before 
following instructions.
We are going to try obedience class again after rehab from elbow surgery is 
behind us.
Martha Hoverson and Molly (in the car right now with her daddy on the way to 
the Foster Small Animal Hospital at Tufts; surgery tomorrow!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Portland, Maine




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Elbows and Obedience Training
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:32:12 -0500
Hello, Listers-
I'm in need of input regarding obedience training (not for competition, at 
this point, just companion level) and a dog with symptomatic elbow 
dysplasia (diagnosed early, but not surgically "correctable")...
My 9 month old, Maddie, is generally a good and eager-to-please student. 
However, I'm having a very hard time getting her to do "downs" without food 
lures. She will sit every time, but stares at me blankly when told "down." 
She will only "down" when following a treat; the rest of the time she 
ignores me completely. I (and the trainer)am having a hard time determining 
if this is just stubborn adolescence or unwillingness to do something 
that's uncomfortable unless worthwhile food is the reward!
I try to avoid repeating any one exercise too much, avoid too many "tight 
turns", and am ever conscious of her elbows, but I'm finding it hard to 
differentiate between her stubbornness and what might be unwillingness to 
comply because of discomfort.
Any advice/suggestions for working with a dog with this physical limitation 
would be appreciated!
Anne
with Maddie and Titan
Cranford, NJ



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Re: Elbows and Obedience Training

2003-03-13 Thread stmaybe
my baka had all kinds of trouble with down too. she did great at puppy 
kindergarten and obedience I - everything except the down. now of course 
if we had a treat and lured baka into a down, no problem. but take away 
the lure and we'd get that blank stare. baka also has hip & elbow 
problems, so we too wondered if they were causing problems.

for us it turned out that baka just wasn't understanding what "down" 
meant. we couldn't sign up for obedience II class while we were waiting 
to have the hip surgery, so i picked up a book on clicker training & we 
started our own little training sessions at home. i was amazed when we 
got to working on down - you could literally see when baka finally 
understood what down meant. she looked at me and you could tell she was 
thinking, "oh! that's what you've been yammering on & on about. that's 
easy! why didn't you explain it better the first time?"

of course this was just my one experience & its only something else to 
consider. maybe watch maddie during the day, when you're not training & 
she's doing what she wants to do. does she seem uncomfortable laying 
down or getting up then?

laura & baka
chapel hill, nc



Re: Home needed for Berner

2003-03-13 Thread Brnrmom
In a message dated 3/13/2003 12:12:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  I am in need of your help.  4 years ago I placed a puppy into a good home. 
 
> Something has happened in the past year, to this home, and the dog has 
> suffered.  
 He is affectionate and wants love and attention.  This 
> boy needs a home that has time to work with him and try and undo whatever 
has 
> happened to him.
>  Since I am in Idaho and he is in Ohio, I am unable to fly him home.  


Raime,
When you find that special person willing to take in and help your boy, I 
would be willing to work with them to help him overcome his issues in any way 
I can. 

I am here in Ohio and I have fostered (and rehabilitated) 4 rescue Berners 
(including a brand  new foster I took in  last weekend)  w/ similar issues in 
the past year and would be more than willing to help work w/ the new foster 
or a forever home to help him. I spoke w/ the previous owner of this dog 
about a week or two ago, so I kinda know the situation. Just let me know if I 
can do anything to help.


Vilma Briggs (Kistner)
Mt. Gilead, OH
U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT
Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT
U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT
Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC
and now Bruin/Brew/??



Happy 1st Birthday

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mast cell tumors..

2003-03-13 Thread Bugsotis
Hi all
anyone have a berner survive this..mast cell tumors..maggie just got diagnosed..she 
normally gets fatty cell deposits and the're not worrysome. I knew this was different 
when I felt it. There were two of them..they're small. We did an asperaite 
procedure..so I do not know what grade they are. We're going to see a surgeon 
tomorrow. 
We lost Big Otis in september to MH...now this. 
I think my next dog will be one of those cardboard ones that stand up in the corner of 
your room..
maura



Elbows and Obedience Training

2003-03-13 Thread HenochNJ
Hello, Listers-
I'm in need of input regarding obedience training (not for competition, at this point, 
just companion level) and a dog with symptomatic elbow dysplasia (diagnosed early, but 
not surgically "correctable")...
My 9 month old, Maddie, is generally a good and eager-to-please student. However, I'm 
having a very hard time getting her to do "downs" without food lures. She will sit 
every time, but stares at me blankly when told "down." She will only "down" when 
following a treat; the rest of the time she ignores me completely. I (and the 
trainer)am having a hard time determining if this is just stubborn adolescence or 
unwillingness to do something that's uncomfortable unless worthwhile food is the 
reward! 
I try to avoid repeating any one exercise too much, avoid too many "tight turns", and 
am ever conscious of her elbows, but I'm finding it hard to differentiate between her 
stubbornness and what might be unwillingness to comply because of discomfort. 
Any advice/suggestions for working with a dog with this physical limitation would be 
appreciated!
Anne
with Maddie and Titan
Cranford, NJ



Home needed for Berner

2003-03-13 Thread BlueMtnBMD
Hello all.  I am in need of your help.  4 years ago I placed a puppy into a good home. 
 Something has happened in the past year, to this home, and the dog has suffered.  He 
has now been placed into a small kennel for socialization and evaluation.  He is a 
neutered male that is very uncertain of his surroundings and not confident in himself. 
 He has never bitten but the owners did say he was bearing his teeth when they tried 
to force him to do something.  Since he was put into the kennel a week ago he has 
started playing and re learning how to walk on a leash.  He is affectionate and wants 
love and attention.  This boy needs a home that has time to work with him and try and 
undo whatever has happened to him.
Since I am in Idaho and he is in Ohio, I am unable to fly him home.  
Please contact me if you have any ideas or may be interested in making a home for this 
boy.
Thank you very much.  My heart is breaking.

Raime Knicley
Boise ID 
208-562-1166



Re: fencing

2003-03-13 Thread JEvans
Hi all,

Following is another reason I do not like invisible fencing.  Others have 
already
stated some reasons they fail to keep dogs safe.

A friend in my local kennel club is frantically searching for her dog 
(smaller terrier)
who has been fine within the confines of invisible fencing, until now.  The 
only
thing left in the yard is the dog's collar.  The dog has vanished.  Whether 
the collar
fell off somehow, or was taken off or the dog undid it will never be 
known.  What is
known, is the dog is gone.

I think invisible fencing can work to teach dogs about boundaries, but just 
don't think
they keep them as safe as a visible fence.  If I had to use one (say 
traditional fence
not allowed), then the dogs would only be out with me there surpervising.

my two cents, given on behalf of the the dogs who might not be safe with 
this type
of system,

Jill with Indie and Gabby (the one who helped me spend another $400.00 on 
fencing)



Re: Puppy Games

2003-03-13 Thread Courtney Erickson
i love playing musical chairs.  When the music starts, everyone walks their
dog on a loose leash.  When the music stops everyone must stop their dog and
put them in a sit.  The last dog to sit is out.  It is alot of fun.

Courtney Erickson
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> Check out Deb Jones, PhD's  book "Clicker Fun"  (Berner on cover!) at
>
> http://members.rogers.com/bernerboris/bernerbooks.html
>
> There are some great games in there. Also her book on teaching obedience
> classes has some fun ideas.
>
> Vilma Briggs (Kistner)
> Mt. Gilead, OH
> U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT
> Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT
> U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT
> Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC
> and now Bruin/Brew/Pogo/??
>



re invisible fencing

2003-03-13 Thread Chris & Marjorie Cottle
Hi Everyone

I have never used an invisible fence but our Tory who came to us at 4
1/2 years old  (she is now 8 1/2)was trained on an ivisible fence as a
puppy.  I doubt if she even wore the collar for more than a few months,
but she did respect it  and she is a very pain insensitive girl.
BUT   something to consider is sound sensitivity.  I understand the
collars emit a beep or a click before the animal gets to the perimeter
and gets the shock.  I do think this has contributed to Tory's sound
sensitivity.  Our thermostat used to make click just before it turned
off for the night. Tory would startle every night. Some nights it was
enough to send her into panic mode and she would pace frantically around
the house .( we now replaced it with a quieter model, but sometimes the
furnace makes a tiny click and she's off into panic mode.
One day while giviing one of our girls a bath I brought our egg timer
outside and the click click click of it panicked her, she was shaking
and terrified. And went to hide under the hydrangea bush.
Now, I don't know if one day her collar shorted out on her and made the
clicking sound or what but I know it had to do with the fence. Sound
sesitivity usually gets worse as they get older and I wouldn't want to
set myself up for anything like what we have with Tory on purpose. (She
has to sleep with a fan running near her ears to mask out any creaks and
clicks that happen in the quiet house at night) It's no fun.

Tory is not one of those shy, sensitive girls either, she is an all out
nothing bothers her type of girl except for this one thing.
Just something to bear in mind if you have a choice of a solid fence or
invisible fence.

I also know of someone who used the invible fence inside the house to
keep the Berner from going into certain rooms.  We took care of her for
a few days and it took all day to convince her she was not going to get
shocked each time she went into a room with a rug in it. She also had to
be taken in the car to get her out of the driveway as she would not walk
out on her own. Very sad.

Marjorie Cottle



RE: Fencing

2003-03-13 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Susan,
I don't like the idea of negative reinforcement which a jolt in the neck
is.
It doesn't fit my style of training and I will not sell to someone who
relies on this type of fencing.

Rose



RE: Labored Breathing

2003-03-13 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Shelley,
A shot in the dark suggestion:-) Have you done a full thyroid panel and I
don't mean just T4. Aside from primary hypothyroidism there can be a
diagnosis of secondary hypothyroidism which with some presenting symptoms
(I don't know if this breathing problem could be one). The secondary type
can involve the adrenal gland and the hyperthalmus (sp) the latter being
responsible for influencing so many of the body's functions.

You may need an ultrasound/doppler examination of the heart to determine
the percentage of flow and highlight any concerns that do not readily
present themself on an EKG. Has she had an abdominal ultrasound?

All the best

Rose



Help Needed ASAP of how to send tumors

2003-03-13 Thread RJacq16804
Hi all,

My 5 year old male Berner, Bear starting feeling ill last Sunday. Uncomfortable, 
couldn't settle down, loss of appetite, and yelping in pain.  No obvious outward signs 
except something just wasn't right. Saw my Vet on Monday - thought maybe had a acidy 
type stomach(had one scare of possible bloat a few years ago)- gave him a tagament and 
ascripton.  Went back to the Vet yesterday and did an x-ray. Found a growth around his 
heart. Then had an Ultrasound done and a needle biopsy done. Was given bad news and 
good news. My boy was diagnosed with Histiocytosis but the good news was that it was 
contained in one lung and had not spread. The way the Vet explained it to me was that 
on each side of the chest are three lungs (front, middle and back). Bear's tumor is in 
the middle lung on his right side. It is quite Large (ultrasound pictures make it look 
huge). Needle biopsy confirmed histio.

I am going to Gulf Coast Vet Clinic this morning at 11. Have great Oncologist's there. 
The Vet says I will get much more info from them about Bear's condition. She said that 
it is possible to remove that lung and maybe he will have a chance since it hasn't 
spread. We'll see what the specialist's say.

My question to anyone who can help is the following:

I've seen the forms and directions for sending off tumors to UC Davis.  But with the 
limited time that I have been home since his diagnosis I can't locate them.  Can 
anyone please HELP me find the info so I can have them send this tumor off???

Appreciate any help you can give me.  I am going to the vet with a lot of hope this 
morning but also have never felt so scared.  Bear is my first Berner. I was living 
overseas and got him in Scotland. He is such a sweetheart. Just the joy he has given 
me (even if I have to possibly lose him at 5 years old)is overwhelming. 

My 3 year old female Berner, Meisje is aware something is not quite right. She gets so 
scared when he lets out a yelp of pain. Thanks for any help you can give about how to 
send this tumor off. I want to bring the paperwork with me to the vet this morning 
just in case.

Renee Jacquier
Katy, TX 



Re: Puppy Games--

2003-03-13 Thread Brnrmom
Joye,
Hee-hee! Yup, you are  right, that wonderful Berner featured on the cover of 
Deb Jones PhD's book is none other that my delightful Java -- playing w/ me. 
Both Java and my young Bean are "demo dogs" in Deb's  3 clicker training 
videos, which are/were available from the BMDCA if they have any left. If 
not, check out Boris's Book Site or www.dogwise.com.

Have FUN w/ your dogs! :-)

Vilma Briggs (Kistner)
Mt. Gilead, OH
U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT
Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT
U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT
Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC
and now Bruin/Brew/Pogo/??



Re: Puppy Games

2003-03-13 Thread Dr. William B. Neff
Check out Deb Jones, PhD's  book "Clicker Fun"  (Berner on cover!) at 
http://members.rogers.com/bernerboris/training.html
*   ANDthe cover picture on the "Clicker Fun" book is of Vilma 
Kistner Briggs and her wonderful Berner, Java!!!   Vilma and Java are also 
seen in Deb Jones' three videos, also titled "Clicker Fun."   I've done 
training with Vilma and she is an exceptionally excellent trainer.   I've 
also done some training with Deb Jones and she is a wonderful trainer, too. 

Don't forget that when you buy books by going to Amazon or other companies 
through the Boris Books site, the BMDCA Health Fund will receive money from 
your purchases.Thank you, Wendy Beard, for setting this site up for us 
- if you haven't visited Boris Books' site, be sure to do so.   There are 
reviews of books and you can enter Amazon.com, Dogwise and sitstay.com 
right from the site.

Joye Neff and Nick (Ben)
Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA



Kennedy R.I.P. ......Thanks for your condolences & support

2003-03-13 Thread Dr. William B. Neff
Hi John,

And if you are the kind person who sent me the Berner  Angel Pin, please 
email me.
* The "Angel Pin" Angel is Karen Connors.   Karen lost her Britney Mae of 
Kokanell "Britt"  to malignant histiocytosis on July 1, 1999 and ever 
since, Karen has sent angel pins to people who have lost their Berners.
It is her way to honor Britt's memory and to help others deal with the 
grief they feel when their Berner goes to the Rainbow Bridge.   The angel 
pins bring tears on many occasions, but knowing that there are others who 
have gone through the same thing when they lost their Berner seems to help. 
When you see an angel pin on someone's shirt, just know that they were 
touched by a Berner Angel in their lives and that Karen "Angel" Connors was 
responsible for the pin they wear with love.   May Kennedy live in your 
heart and soul forever and may his memory bring you happiness for the time 
you shared while he was here with you.

Joye Neff and Nick (Ben)
Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA



Re: Puppy Games

2003-03-13 Thread Brnrmom
Check out Deb Jones, PhD's  book "Clicker Fun"  (Berner on cover!) at 

http://members.rogers.com/bernerboris/bernerbooks.html

There are some great games in there. Also her book on teaching obedience 
classes has some fun ideas.

Vilma Briggs (Kistner)
Mt. Gilead, OH
U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT
Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT
U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT
Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC
and now Bruin/Brew/Pogo/??



New England show weekend

2003-03-13 Thread BernerFolk
This coming Sat & Sun are the CT River Working Group shows in W. Springfield, 
MA. (Eastern States Exposition, Mallory Bldg.)  

The Berner entries are supported both days by regional clubs so you'll find 
large entries, breed information, hospitality, and lots of Berner lovers.

Both days:

Puppy & Veteran Sweepstakes at 8AM

Regular judging starts at 9:30.

See you there,
Sherri Venditti