Re: lyme disease/hip dysplasia
> Also regarding hip dysplasia, my one year old has been > diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia when she was only about 7 mos old. I > cried when I saw her x-rays several months ago We are using different homeopathic > remedies to try and help, and 1000 mg glucosamine daily. > Bless you I know just how you feel, my Ron is severe bilaterally and I too cried at the xrays in his fifth month. But we immediately started the adequan series and he had an immediate positive response, started jumping on the couch etc. With diet and supps he does it all and does not quit anything any sooner than the others nor does he lay sore the second day after ! I consider food the key to any dysplastic dog and have seen many a 'down dog' come up with just the diet alone! There is a yahoo group for HD, [EMAIL PROTECTED], loads of info on supps , diet, exercise and surgeries in the archives. It is really quite right now but the archives are full. Swimming is the best thing to do for an HD dog, you want to develop those rear muscles and in massaging it is the inner thigh of the rear legs you want to get well massages as it is that ligament that tightens and does 'the charlie horse thing'. It takes some work to massage and you usually have to start slow as it is always sore there. Once she discovers how great that massage works she will beg you to do it when it hurts! There is a file in the achives of the HD group with a good description on this massage . If you are using gluc HCL and it does not work try the sulfate and visa versa. Salmon oil and vit E are just standard supps but do grand things in an ortho dog. I will stop blabbing here as I sometimes tend to write a book on natural things to help an HD dog ;0) Just look in the archives on that group , giggle.but food is a biggie! as it is in humans too. Good luck and feel free to write me privately Support is good with folks who are working and have worked through this successfully as each dog is different so you need a vast supply of 'things to use and do' Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Seven generations from now
- Original Message - From: "Mary-Ann Bowman" and think three litters is > plenty for any bitch -- Having been a mother myself...well still am but referring mainly to the "before they were weaned and thinking" ages I like to see a bitch being a dog and having fun with herself without having to 'produce and nurse' which I myself found to be a drain on the old body, internally, externally and mentally, giggle. > differently. I will never breed a bitch without hip and elbow clearances -- But there are those who get the clearances and breed even with poor ratings, this I deem very poor management of the breed. >> think it is wrong to have an intelligent working dog as a decorator item in > the house and yard -- others think that is an okay life for a berner. I don' t think there is a right or wrong to this one, but I got my Berners to work and expect them to, the loverly Berner just a laying bored to death is not my kind of dog. I like the one who is literally into everything as a pup and as an adult wants to work and works well. This not only takes good working stock but a thinker.My kind of Berner! and look > forward to BMDCA members' input on the proposed Code of Ethics, which I > think is a meaningful step in the right direction. > I would love to see further discussion on the Code of Ethics for your BMDCA, it would be a grand day when no unsound or genetically deficient dog of any breed was bred..I'll go for that and pray it happens. Like so many others who see sires/dams dead at four from cancer and their gorgeous kids being bred then sick at two or three, you wonder what chance those pups have for a healthy life, at least I do. This is the grandest of breeds you guys have, I enjoy every day with their company...night too for they are bed hogs, and hope to have them all for many many years and pray in a ripe old age they just go to sleep peacefully. I pray for that small miracle every day, what a blessing. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Bad Experience in Class
- Original Message - From: "Cindy Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am going one more week but if I come > away with mixed feelings again then I'll quit this instructor and go > elsewhere. > Cindy, I have been working with a fella who was made to scream by an instructor...not in my control my hubby's who thought she knew what she was doing. This dog loved everyone one day and the next day after she made him scream he loved/trusted no stranger. Now grant you I believe he was 'soft' or the experience would not have soared him so easily. There are more instructors and this is your furkid, your job to 'let happen to him' what you will.me I wouldn't give her the chance to ruin your precious baby, but then that is me. Yanking and hard nosing are not my preferred methods. I wouldn't go back, I would find a positive class instructor. Just me. My hubby learned through this to never trust anyone with the leashI had told him, now he knows why. An instructor can instruct me, but they don't touch my dog PERIOD. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Doggon Wheels
Yep, Hugo's chair is paid for! I sent the email to the listwish I knew how to get to individuals. No second chair, but we can get wheels to take this chair down to the smallest size already. I don't know how many of you have dealt with a Quad, but this chair is not going to go down to an 80lb dog. Hugie is at the top end of the size! But this chair is paid for . They are taking no more money, sorry you missed it! What a giving group this. Rusty C
Now on future use of the Chair...
I know there are other Berner kids out there who are likely to be in need of this chair in the future. Would you like to go ahead and tell them the size of your furkid so we can go ahead and get the adjustments to fit the different sizes? What you think Andrea, can you store some extra wheels etc safely? Just if you think you may need this in the future like Jane, don't you have a boy who 'might'??? we can be prepared as with these things the Berner structure is very uniquebut then we know how unique our kids are! I only said Andrea, someone else may have a place but she had mentioned getting a loaner service started and by the way, think I have a used one coming FREE. but it will be for a smaller dog! As a community we can 'be prepared' Rusty C & Good Company
Hugo's Chair is 'IN production'
Thanx go to you loverly loverly generous caring sharing .oh words can not express the 'wonderful wonderful feeling ' I have for you guys! Hugie's chair is getting built and you have given him a chance out of your kindness. "Kindness is an inner desire that makes us want to do good things even if we do not get anything in return. It is the joy of our life to do them, When we do good things from this inner desire, there is kindness in everything we think, say, want and do. -" Emanuel Swedenborg YOU are kind kind people with good hearts! Rusty C & Good Company
Hugo's chair...almost there!!!!
Mel from doggone emailed at 5:37 that Hugo's Quad Chair is at $450! We are almost there, $150 more and it is definitely "in production" You guys are great...I am sure Donna will be in tears of joy when she finds out what you have done! Thanx to everyone for this outpouring of a helping hand for one sweet fella. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Hugo and His Stroke, is there a chance?
- Original Message - From: "Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear . > I will look up the info. and post the address to the list. It may not be of > help in this case, but if it saves one Oh, Mary, I cried for you ...and me...the "if onlys" they are hard to bear. I would love to know this info, Please do share. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Doggon Wheels, et al
This was not done to handicap Andrea or BEHAF in anyway, it was done to expedite the chair for Hugie! I also thought it was 'on top of' and so yesterday called doggone to see how the production was going only to find there was no production and to just start the chair they needed 75% of the total amount. Yes, Melissa was getting plans for building one but Donna did not trust her building abilities so yes, the fund is started at the company. At this point if folks mail checks to one place then that place waits for them to clear then has to mail the funds the two weeks for the chairs production would have passed. Hugo needs this chair yesterday, it still must be built. So instead of hashing whose "baby" it is and talking back and forth more and wasting more time. Let's work together and get this chair "in production" . Bet Ellen with her horse sense can tell ya what immobility does to a giant. So yes, let's work together, time is already lost and Hugo is still down, let's get him up and give him a chance, who cares 'who's baby' it isit is Donna's baby Hugo that matters. I tain't no talker when time is a wasting .. Thanx to whoever donated this daythank you so muchwe are that much closer to starting the chair ! Rusty C praying for a small miracle "What one does is what counts and not what one had the intentions of doing -" Pablo Picasso
Hugo and His Stroke, is there a chance?
A lot has gone on with this big sweet fella and I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. I have not dealt with dogs and strokes as much to my regret I listened to the vet when my Max was 17yrs old and had a stroke. He would get up and fall over etc. Even tho' he was seventeen yrs old up until the stroke he acted like a puppy, never ever sick. I know in my heart today, there was a chance, as since that time I had the pleasure to help many a stroke patient ,human , work their way back with the proper tools! and encouragement and patience. The emergency with Hugo is his size and down for this length of time. He must get mobile or the organs will fail and time is of the utmost importance. Doggone was so nice in setting up this account as they know the importance of Hugie's being mobile. They have never done this before but jumped right in as I feel they love dogs, not just in it for profit, and know the urgency of this chair for this giant! Donna is the one looking in his eyes and seeing a spark still there. I have a pic taken January 30th , prior to the Robaxin, which shows his sparkle there in his eyes. And once again Hugie is fighting to come back to Donna and we can give him the chance. We can all pull with love in our hearts and help this fella before it is too late. It takes two weeks to build a chair...a chair that can help this buddy in his fight. Then it will be there for the next furkidJust think the next one may be yours and what that two week wait can do!! Bless you all for your kindness and support of Hugie and Donna. I only wish I had given my boy a chance, now I want Hugie to have his! Rusty C praying for that small miracle
Any info on Lora v Hausmatt???
Fixing to pop off a letter to FCI and the tattoo registry to see if this dog was still alive or if she has passed caused of what? Anyone out there know? Thanx, Rusty C
Left over puppy post.......
I had to go dig as I missed this post and wanted to see how someone would dare post a puppy for sale on the List. Then I found it and read it and it truly sounded like she was not trying to sell it on the list but reaching out to "friends' for advice as to exactly how to proceed without posting an ad. A very good idea to ask help from friends, after all that is what friends are for. I have over a dozen folks bugging me to breed my female. Nope, not yetshe is a slow maturer and would like her to have a functioning adult brain first! But I would be more than happy to tell her of the "good" PPOs I personally know so she has a good chance of placing the puppy in an excellent forever home. Rusty C & Good Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rednekwench.com
Re: exuberant behavior
My HD fella , Aileron, is this way. The sounds and the spinning and the jumping are out of character for a dog with his hips, or rather, lack of hips I myself love the sounds and the demonstration of affection, I like the paw around the leg, the other two Berners are not as demonstrative as he is tho' their greeting when I am out of their site for only minutes is more than any other breed I have ever had. The consistent 'off' with the insistence on not jumping stopped that behavior, but I have not tried to stop the spinning and hopping and the "love sounds" he makes. nor the grabbing and hugging the leg. He does it with no one else, just Momma. Some people are more tactile and demonstrative of their affection too. Mine have never had to share attention either, now at times both legs and arms are giving belly rubs, but must say, I thrive on the attention I used the clicker method to stop the jumping and it worked for me. Had not ever used it before but decided to try it for that and much to my pleasure it worked! Alas, new things can work as good as the 'old methods' Thank you Patricia Tackett Rusty C & Good Company
Oooopsie, forgot to sign
Sorry folks am in a hurry to go do a rescue/transport and just rushed it off thanx for calling it to my attention Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Hip x-ray question
Boy, I almost totally agree with you. The ligament on the inside of the thigh should be massaged and can in 'some' cases release the reverse pull on the joint and the ball 'can' resetgot cases to show ya but it does take a couple of years of constant care. Those ligaments are booger bears but my HD fella sure likes the rubbing now! The dog should not be bred tho' I totally agree! But I still say xray, see what is going on and get him on a regime of diet, supps and appropriate exercise to help.
Re: Hip x-ray question
Julene, We did not have your experience with the angle of the ball in the socket, yours sounds more like 'laxity' rather than structure and loads of times it has corrected with therapy mainly swimming so the hip muscle tightens and pulls the bone in tight. I xrayed my boy in the fourth month of his life to know what I was dealing with. In knowing I have had the advantage of giving him a specific diet and supplements to fight the onset of arthritis and keep the pain out. I would xray again at two, to see what exactly has happened in those joints. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Drafting Equipment
- Original Message - From: "Karyn Waugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Drafting Equipment . > > I do however need a good harness. I have a training harness to start with Really, really good work harnesses that distribute the load well at Newfoundland Saddlery, Gary Barnes is apt and they are grand! http://silverweb.nf.ca/html_docs/crafts/avalon/nfsaddry.htm that is the address and contact, here are some pics of his dogs in harness http://www.cartingwithyourdog.com/cpgnewfsaddlery.html Rusty C & Good Company
Re: okay -- now what?
- Original Message - From: "Pat Long" > Rusty, > > I know you were probably just having some fun on this one, Well, for a work dog, I wanted sound. I have a friend who has a white collared Berner and as I told her, if everything else is good I would take him in the ring, but that is me. I did have a white GSD way back when they were 'culling' them. 1060's ooops that is 1960's...I tain't quite that old but just kept her from being drowned and recessive gene that it is she was a grand addition to my family. So you are absolutely right Pat, if ya can wriggle your nose and turn Ron blue eyed , red haired with a huge collar and give him clear hips and elbows, would ya do it please... A sound dog above all for sure! Rusty C & Good Company
Re: okay -- now what?
You mean you would sell a pup with blue eyes or red or with a white collar for the same as a proper colored berner? This ain't even fair, giggle. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: okay -- now what?
Ah, haopinions on what to do. Depends, if the pup was pet or show bought. By all means the pup should be kept if the person wants it, many would return if not a 'show' or sound but not me. Just in passing an outstanding breeder of Lab's offered not only another show pup but to pay for the surgery and neutered all the dogs in this "first time breeding" Now this is most definately a breeder trying hard to stop passing on the genes and she had kept a pup, female, for show and breeding stock! One breeder who is definately for the betterment of the breed. What I 'think' is money should definately go back if it is HD. Anything else is gravy. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Diet-related skeletal and joint diseases in dogs, was Innova -- HATE IT!
- Original Message - From: "Jennifer Popp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What you eat is important, no one is saying it ain'tit just ain't the cause of HD and I like to see a well fed dog, nutrition is important for every living thing. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Diet-related skeletal and joint diseases in dogs, was Innova -- HATE IT!
Dittoditto...and double ditto to every thing Mary-Ann said, well put. HD is genetic, nutrition and environmental things can exaserbate it but it is from the genes. Two HD dogs should never be bred nor a repeat breeding of two dogs that together produced HD for their genes together tho excellent alone make the complete puzzle of HD . Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Diet-related skeletal and joint diseases in dogs, was Innova -- HATE IT!
It is because of talk like this a lady has decided to breed two HD dogs and "breed out the HD with diet" Talk like this makes me cry, I know the pain that will comeand by the way, had anyone else had my HD fella the dysplasia would have probably not been found, the ortho said he was not HDha. Food and supplements have kept him from demonstrating on the outside what is there on the inside. Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Rocky and needs
If you would please write to me privately I would like to discuss Rocky and his therapy Rusty C
Re: More on Hips and other fun things
BRAVO! But on a first time breeding still give slack. But if the breeder does not want clearances on your dog back offthat should have been my red flag but it wasn't. Hey, Mary, Ya a breeder, put me on your list! Rusty C & good Company
Re: Fragility of breed/Consultations
Hi lisa, I have read your post over the last five years and cried...you do have a heart. No, exercise does not make a crippled dog, but penning for two years gets a fair one. This breed is no fragile than any other. Just needs scrupulous breeding practices Rusty C & good Company
Re: Rambling about hips
Bravo...yes it is two producing HD not to be bred again and not taken out of the gene pool But if a breeder tells you not to 'responsibly' exercise your pup til twolike lock it up he is just way laying the xrays showing the dysplasia or bad elbows. Conscientious owners are necessary not to take a small babe to extremes but keeping a dog penned and no exercise will make fair hips that upon "normal" exercise will make severe SEVERE problems. But this is a work in progress, the only reason I opened my quiet not so little mouth was for the new owner sitting there with HD and thinking they had done something to hurt their pup...not so. I understand HD and do not hold my breeder responsible for it was a first time breeding and I had studied peds and clearances and waited for this dog SurpriseHD, so we learn. But also remember I would not give this dog back or euthanize himhe is exactly what I wanted except for the hips...I am not a breeder tho I have a full understanding of breeding, he has all the characteristics I wanted he is gorgeous loves me and understands every word I say...he would give his life for me, he is a Berner...just lacking in the ass. So PPOs take a lesson from me...unless you are willing to give your soul and pocketbook to a crippled dog, take a second third or later breeding that has clearances on more pups on the ground than 5 out of 40. And may I tell you that I am unable to locate the siblings to my HD fella.so beware, they are out there! Rusty C & good Company
Re: Surprised?! - Hip and Elbow testing question
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " noteworthy. BARC puppy. etc. What would > others do? Go for the more expensive testing to begin with or just go to the > vet? Is there an ortho vet at the clinic? I have noted some of the outside breedings in some of the dogs a couple of years ago to have been good pedsquestionable but worth checking into IF the parents were checked! This is in line with Sherri V's post , positioning is important but if it is an ortho vet they are usually good at being sure the xrays are done properly and Penn Hip is not necessary. On my HD fella I am doing the xrays for OFA but on the other two "sound" dogs so far, I will do Penn HIp. Okay my two cents Rusty C & Good Company
Re: Dysplasia - Nutrition & environmental factors.
Hi, Mary.Yeppers, definately nutrition can help a dysplastic or any ortho dog. Again take mine, a dozen super ortho vets said he would be crippled by a year, go look at my site, he runs , jumps, does stairs using the rear legs independent of one another , climbs on everything , stands on his rear and walks like a beartotally, totally nutrition done, nutrition including supps. It took me a year tho' to get the muscles to start developing but swimming, good old non weight baring exercise did it along with diet a close watch on what goes in directly has a effect on what shows outwardly. You can slow the progress of HD but not stop it if the genetic predisposition is there. A puppy needs proper exercise just as a child does to develop properly and strong, IF they have no genetic defect. But with the defect they need specific exercise and therapy to develop without causing more pain. Not locked up to atrophy the muscles but guided with the proper exercises , including massage to the inside muscles and ligaments of the thighs in an HD case. I also work on the fore limbs of my fella as they did take the brunt of his weight at the start and still massage them cause I don't want the elbows to go either! Yep, nutrition is a good thing but if you have the genetic predisposition to ortho nutrition won't prevent it just keep the inflammation and pain out, that is all. Rusty C & Good Company
re; Innova - HATE IT!/ Now Hips/Elbows
- Original Message - From: "Ray & Pat Burgett" > When a puppy leaves your home with its new owner who is loaded with good > information about the best way to raise their new puppy and they chose to do > it their way, food , exercise & training, you as the breeder have lost most > of the control That is not always the casetake mine, against my beliefs I did exactly what the breeder said per contract, fed, exercise and all exactly as he said against my beliefs cause he was the breeder. Doesn't work as you say. Yes, you can make it worse by being ignorant but you can improve the life of a severely bilaterally dysplastic dog with proper diet nutrients and exercise, "including " hill running after a regime of swimming. Proper care is the key, proper care taking of the genes for they say it alland the genes are in the breeders hands. Every dog in every litter should be x-rayed and every dog in every litter should be on Bernergarde for the betterment of your breed. I hate the look that is going to be in my boys eyes when he is required to have the surgery Ask Liz P she has gone through it twice and she is a human with human understanding. At first this well bred dog will question what I have let them do to him, Oh, God give me strengthI will be his care giver, not the breeder, I am the one who would not euthanize him for his hips are fixable and I will do right by him for he is my friend, but also hold any breeder responsible for any crippled well cared for dog out there , not the PPO, accidents happen but the genes don't lie, not in human or animal. It is in that DNA molecule that is where it liesthe proof is in the pudding and if it don't gel then the genes are badtwo excellent dogs can and do produce dysplastic pups, it is nature not nurture! This blaming the PPO or blaming the breeder the first time a dysplastic pup is born is ignorant, but breeding the same two dogs again is ludicrous, cause the genes don't lie and the second time you know who knows the genes don't mixthe breeder, not the owner. Rusty C www.rednekwench.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
