Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Hey Andrew:
Knowing you as someone who is soft spoken and who wouldn't hurt a fly...
all I have to say is: Very well said!
Cheers!
Reza.
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
.
Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing
attempt
("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and state clearly
that you're affiliated with these people, that you think it's the cat's
ass,
that you're local and you have the ear of the developers? Do you not
think
that all of those points are important enough to mention?
Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show it's
just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're calling
attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT LEAST a year,
and
should know better.
How many people make product or service recommendations here and disclaim
it
right away? How many people have you seen plug services and CLEARLY state
"I
don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or "full disclosure: I
work for this company" ?
Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you
standing
proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into the concept
that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I feel
deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company
providing
the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE knows about
WHY
I'm avoiding them.
-A.
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RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
well, when your done your done.
First, I had know that my e-mail would create such a problem.
I have been a part of this list for a while but I did not understand.
So, I went back to TAUG web site and noted:
"If you are a commercial supplier, please contact "asterisk-owner at uc
dot org" for approval before sending messages of a commercial nature."
Oh man; big mistake.
I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I
thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake.
Some of the others on the list have handed down some great advice over
the last year.
Please don't think I don't have respect for this list.
Thanks to all those who e-mailed in confidence.
SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I
WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS
NATURE.
Justin
-Original Message-
From: Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:41 PM
To: Andrew Kohlsmith; biz@taug.ca
Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Hey Andrew:
Knowing you as someone who is soft spoken and who wouldn't hurt a fly...
all I have to say is: Very well said!
Cheers!
Reza.
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
.
> Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing
> attempt ("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and
> state clearly that you're affiliated with these people, that you think
> it's the cat's ass, that you're local and you have the ear of the
> developers? Do you not think that all of those points are important
> enough to mention?
>
> Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show
> it's just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're
> calling attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT
> LEAST a year, and should know better.
>
> How many people make product or service recommendations here and
> disclaim it right away? How many people have you seen plug services
> and CLEARLY state "I don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied
> customer" or "full disclosure: I work for this company" ?
>
> Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you
> standing proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into
> the concept that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
>
> While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I
> feel deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company
> providing the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE
> knows about WHY I'm avoiding them.
>
> -A.
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RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
[Note: I'm speaking only as a subscriber (because that is all I am).] | From: Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | First, I had know that my e-mail would create such a problem. I, for one, got the impression from the original posting that you were a disinterested party. Note: the word "disinterested" is not a synonym of "uninterested". Your mail seems to have been intentionally misleading in this respect. Perhaps this was unintentional, but several of us felt duped. That should be acceptable nowhere. Not just this list. | "If you are a commercial supplier, please contact "asterisk-owner at uc | dot org" for approval before sending messages of a commercial nature." At least for me, this was the major problem with the posting. | I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I | thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake. Done in the right way, it would have been not just acceptable, but but valuable. The "right way" would be transparent and informative. For example, you could say why you created the thing and what made you think it was needed. Much more effective for your purposes and the readers' too. | SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I | WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS | NATURE. Fine, as long as we agree on what "a thing of this nature" is. A product announcement or description is not "of this nature". Astroturfing is. It is great that you have created such a product. Great that some of that has been done locally. Best of luck with your project. Do tell us more. Like, for example, how you did it. Don't consider yourself banned from the list, just try to post constructively. We all make faux pas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
(cc'ing you directly in case you've unsubscribed) On Thursday 12 July 2007 3:06:33 pm Justin Sweeney wrote: > I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I > thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake. That isn't what you did. Please have the courtesy of being honest with everyone, including yourself. If you had said "I've been working on this new product, we have sold a bunch, it's especially useful for this type of situation and it's saved us a lot of pain" I can *assure* you that there would not have been ANY negative response. You even posted to the -biz list, which is the exact right place to post. However, you did not do this. You posted as if you were a random Asterisk user who had happened upon this product. You then furthered the deception by continuing to act as if you were just a customer. You didn't come clean until I asked you specifically. That, Justin, is where the source of the flack is coming from. You (on purpose or not) attempted to deceive us. Again -- You've created a device and from a "plug it in and go" perspective, it rocks. You're local. That rocks even more. You are willing to entertain ideas on making the product better. That's fantastic. Seriously, a local guy who's got a product and we can possibly extend it? Sign me up! > SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I > WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS > NATURE. I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned the matter's closed. Hell, if we're ever at a TAUG meeting in the future I'd love to discuss details of this and other products/projects with you. I wanted to make clear, though, what caused all of this consternation. I hope that's clear now, because it was certainly not you posting about your device; it was how you did it that was the problem. -A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
So can we consider this closed now? Raise your hands if you agree that we should move on. -Original Message- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 2:32 PM To: biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. [Note: I'm speaking only as a subscriber (because that is all I am).] | From: Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | First, I had know that my e-mail would create such a problem. I, for one, got the impression from the original posting that you were a disinterested party. Note: the word "disinterested" is not a synonym of "uninterested". Your mail seems to have been intentionally misleading in this respect. Perhaps this was unintentional, but several of us felt duped. That should be acceptable nowhere. Not just this list. | "If you are a commercial supplier, please contact "asterisk-owner at uc | dot org" for approval before sending messages of a commercial nature." At least for me, this was the major problem with the posting. | I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I | thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake. Done in the right way, it would have been not just acceptable, but but valuable. The "right way" would be transparent and informative. For example, you could say why you created the thing and what made you think it was needed. Much more effective for your purposes and the readers' too. | SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I | WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS | NATURE. Fine, as long as we agree on what "a thing of this nature" is. A product announcement or description is not "of this nature". Astroturfing is. It is great that you have created such a product. Great that some of that has been done locally. Best of luck with your project. Do tell us more. Like, for example, how you did it. Don't consider yourself banned from the list, just try to post constructively. We all make faux pas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
Please Derrick Moennick Channel Development, Canada 310-861-4300, ext 7068 310-641-6436 Fax Tollfree 877.366.2548, ext. 7068 866-363-4071 Fax www.fonality.com PBXtra Flash Tutorial: http://fonality.com/tutorials Searchable Knowledge Base: http://fonality.com/help Changing Internal Communications: http://www.fonality.com/hud Latest Review of PBXtra: http://www.fonality.com/press -Original Message- From: Mike Dancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 12:43 PM To: D. Hugh Redelmeier; biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. So can we consider this closed now? Raise your hands if you agree that we should move on. -Original Message- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 2:32 PM To: biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. [Note: I'm speaking only as a subscriber (because that is all I am).] | From: Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | First, I had know that my e-mail would create such a problem. I, for one, got the impression from the original posting that you were a disinterested party. Note: the word "disinterested" is not a synonym of "uninterested". Your mail seems to have been intentionally misleading in this respect. Perhaps this was unintentional, but several of us felt duped. That should be acceptable nowhere. Not just this list. | "If you are a commercial supplier, please contact "asterisk-owner at uc | dot org" for approval before sending messages of a commercial nature." At least for me, this was the major problem with the posting. | I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I | thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake. Done in the right way, it would have been not just acceptable, but but valuable. The "right way" would be transparent and informative. For example, you could say why you created the thing and what made you think it was needed. Much more effective for your purposes and the readers' too. | SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I | WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS | NATURE. Fine, as long as we agree on what "a thing of this nature" is. A product announcement or description is not "of this nature". Astroturfing is. It is great that you have created such a product. Great that some of that has been done locally. Best of luck with your project. Do tell us more. Like, for example, how you did it. Don't consider yourself banned from the list, just try to post constructively. We all make faux pas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
the guy apologized move on On 7/12/07, Derrick Moennick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please Derrick Moennick Channel Development, Canada 310-861-4300, ext 7068 310-641-6436 Fax Tollfree 877.366.2548, ext. 7068 866-363-4071 Fax www.fonality.com PBXtra Flash Tutorial: http://fonality.com/tutorials Searchable Knowledge Base: http://fonality.com/help Changing Internal Communications: http://www.fonality.com/hud Latest Review of PBXtra: http://www.fonality.com/press -Original Message- From: Mike Dancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 12:43 PM To: D. Hugh Redelmeier; biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. So can we consider this closed now? Raise your hands if you agree that we should move on. -Original Message- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 2:32 PM To: biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. [Note: I'm speaking only as a subscriber (because that is all I am).] | From: Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | First, I had know that my e-mail would create such a problem. I, for one, got the impression from the original posting that you were a disinterested party. Note: the word "disinterested" is not a synonym of "uninterested". Your mail seems to have been intentionally misleading in this respect. Perhaps this was unintentional, but several of us felt duped. That should be acceptable nowhere. Not just this list. | "If you are a commercial supplier, please contact "asterisk-owner at uc | dot org" for approval before sending messages of a commercial nature." At least for me, this was the major problem with the posting. | I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I | thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake. Done in the right way, it would have been not just acceptable, but but valuable. The "right way" would be transparent and informative. For example, you could say why you created the thing and what made you think it was needed. Much more effective for your purposes and the readers' too. | SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I | WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS | NATURE. Fine, as long as we agree on what "a thing of this nature" is. A product announcement or description is not "of this nature". Astroturfing is. It is great that you have created such a product. Great that some of that has been done locally. Best of luck with your project. Do tell us more. Like, for example, how you did it. Don't consider yourself banned from the list, just try to post constructively. We all make faux pas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
"I vote in favour of closing this discussion" New Biz list policy proposal. In the future perhaps we can submit viral marketers email addresses to certain spam lists as a touch of revenge? Perhaps Simon could put that little warning somewhere on the website and deter further marketing efforts with this... Keith Major Business Development Manager Aquarius Telecom Inc. www.aquariustel.com 416.848.6838 ext. 1005 ___ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier électronique est confidentiel et protégé. L'expéditeur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) désigné(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier électronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immédiatement, par retour de courrier électronique ou par un autre moyen. -Original Message- From: Mike Dancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 3:43 PM To: D. Hugh Redelmeier; biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. So can we consider this closed now? Raise your hands if you agree that we should move on. -Original Message- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2007 2:32 PM To: biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. [Note: I'm speaking only as a subscriber (because that is all I am).] | From: Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | First, I had know that my e-mail would create such a problem. I, for one, got the impression from the original posting that you were a disinterested party. Note: the word "disinterested" is not a synonym of "uninterested". Your mail seems to have been intentionally misleading in this respect. Perhaps this was unintentional, but several of us felt duped. That should be acceptable nowhere. Not just this list. | "If you are a commercial supplier, please contact "asterisk-owner at uc | dot org" for approval before sending messages of a commercial nature." At least for me, this was the major problem with the posting. | I saw other e-mails saying "I have some stuff for sale etc." so I | thought cool. I'll post the new product. Another big mistake. Done in the right way, it would have been not just acceptable, but but valuable. The "right way" would be transparent and informative. For example, you could say why you created the thing and what made you think it was needed. Much more effective for your purposes and the readers' too. | SO BASED ON THAT. AGAIN, EVERYONE PLEASE EXCEPT MY TOTAL APOLOGY. I | WITHDRAW THE WHOLE THING AND WILL NEVER AGAIN POST A THING OF THIS | NATURE. Fine, as long as we agree on what "a thing of this nature" is. A product announcement or description is not "of this nature". Astroturfing is. It is great that you have created such a product. Great that some of that has been done locally. Best of luck with your project. Do tell us more. Like, for example, how you did it. Don't consider yourself banned from the list, just try to post constructively. We all make faux pas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 12/07/2007 4:08 PM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Yeh, as part of being a member we should always show full disclosier.
If you want to promote your service or product and want feedback... that's fine.
but be up front about it.
TTFN
Henry
Quoting Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey Andrew:
>
> Knowing you as someone who is soft spoken and who wouldn't hurt a fly...
> all I have to say is: Very well said!
>
> Cheers!
> Reza.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
>
> .
>
> > Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing
> > attempt
> > ("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and state
> clearly
> > that you're affiliated with these people, that you think it's the cat's
> > ass,
> > that you're local and you have the ear of the developers? Do you not
> > think
> > that all of those points are important enough to mention?
> >
> > Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show
> it's
> > just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're calling
> > attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT LEAST a year,
>
> > and
> > should know better.
> >
> > How many people make product or service recommendations here and disclaim
>
> > it
> > right away? How many people have you seen plug services and CLEARLY state
>
> > "I
> > don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or "full disclosure:
> I
> > work for this company" ?
> >
> > Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you
> > standing
> > proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into the concept
> > that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
> >
> > While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I feel
> > deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company
> > providing
> > the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE knows about
> > WHY
> > I'm avoiding them.
> >
> > -A.
>
>
> -
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Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Hello all,
They are just trying to make money by creating and promoting cool new
gadgets for Asterisk and VoIP world - we should only support them, not
scold them. VoIPGizmos for one will be carrying their products
shortly.
Thanks,
Alex
--
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www.VoIPGizmos.ca
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On 7/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeh, as part of being a member we should always show full disclosier.
If you want to promote your service or product and want feedback... that's fine.
but be up front about it.
TTFN
Henry
Quoting Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey Andrew:
>
> Knowing you as someone who is soft spoken and who wouldn't hurt a fly...
> all I have to say is: Very well said!
>
> Cheers!
> Reza.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
>
> .
>
> > Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing
> > attempt
> > ("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and state
> clearly
> > that you're affiliated with these people, that you think it's the cat's
> > ass,
> > that you're local and you have the ear of the developers? Do you not
> > think
> > that all of those points are important enough to mention?
> >
> > Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show
> it's
> > just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're calling
> > attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT LEAST a year,
>
> > and
> > should know better.
> >
> > How many people make product or service recommendations here and disclaim
>
> > it
> > right away? How many people have you seen plug services and CLEARLY state
>
> > "I
> > don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or "full disclosure:
> I
> > work for this company" ?
> >
> > Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you
> > standing
> > proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into the concept
> > that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
> >
> > While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I feel
> > deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company
> > providing
> > the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE knows about
> > WHY
> > I'm avoiding them.
> >
> > -A.
>
>
> -
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Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
..and there are very transparent ways to do that as few folks have
indicated clearly. Whether intentional or un-intentional, I can speak for
myself here... and that is I felt deceived. On that note, I think
everyone deserves a fair chance. I am ALL for supporting Canadian based
organizations -- so my next post will hopefully provide a fresh start, for a
well deserving Canadian venture.
Cheers!
Reza.
- Original Message -
From: "Alex @ Kovasys Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "TAUG - Biz"
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Hello all,
They are just trying to make money by creating and promoting cool new
gadgets for Asterisk and VoIP world - we should only support them, not
scold them. VoIPGizmos for one will be carrying their products
shortly.
Thanks,
Alex
--
Alex Kovalenko
Director of Operations
www.VoIPGizmos.ca
1155 Boulevard René-Lévesque O.,
Suite 2500 Montréal, QC H3B 2K4
tel: 514.907.3192 ext. 701
toll: 888.KOVAS4S
fax: 514.227.5377
www.kovasys.com
"Consultation et Recrutement en TI"
"IT Consulting & Staffing"
On 7/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeh, as part of being a member we should always show full disclosier.
If you want to promote your service or product and want feedback... that's
fine.
but be up front about it.
TTFN
Henry
Quoting Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey Andrew:
>
> Knowing you as someone who is soft spoken and who wouldn't hurt a fly...
> all I have to say is: Very well said!
>
> Cheers!
> Reza.
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
>
> .
>
> > Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing
> > attempt
> > ("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and state
> clearly
> > that you're affiliated with these people, that you think it's the
> > cat's
> > ass,
> > that you're local and you have the ear of the developers? Do you not
> > think
> > that all of those points are important enough to mention?
> >
> > Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show
> it's
> > just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're
> > calling
> > attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT LEAST a
> > year,
>
> > and
> > should know better.
> >
> > How many people make product or service recommendations here and
> > disclaim
>
> > it
> > right away? How many people have you seen plug services and CLEARLY
> > state
>
> > "I
> > don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or "full
> > disclosure:
> I
> > work for this company" ?
> >
> > Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you
> > standing
> > proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into the
> > concept
> > that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
> >
> > While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I
> > feel
> > deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company
> > providing
> > the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE knows
> > about
> > WHY
> > I'm avoiding them.
> >
> > -A.
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RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the cost? I have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > -Original Message- > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > To: biz@taug.ca > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > Check this little guy out. > > www.neware.ca > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > available network. > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly for > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work well > with > Asterisk! > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment (office > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere you > don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running wires! > It > can act as a network bridge with a DHCP server and 4 port switch! > > I think companies that have WiFi everywhere (i.e. Toronto Hydro > Telecom) > could use them to deloy VoIP service to home and business customers > using Asterisk. > > Pretty cool. We are using a few for the Grand Prix in outdoor areas > where we can't physically run a phone line to. They were expensive but > since we charge a lot for a phone line they payback quickly. > > *They are a Toronto company.I think they are looking for a Canadian > distributor so if anyone is interested give them a call. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their device... http://www.neware.ca/specs.html Richard - Original Message - From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the cost? I > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > To: biz@taug.ca > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > available network. > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly for > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work well > > with > > Asterisk! > > > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment (office > > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere you > > don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running wires! > > It > > can act as a network bridge with a DHCP server and 4 port switch! > > > > I think companies that have WiFi everywhere (i.e. Toronto Hydro > > Telecom) > > could use them to deloy VoIP service to home and business customers > > using Asterisk. > > > > Pretty cool. We are using a few for the Grand Prix in outdoor areas > > where we can't physically run a phone line to. They were expensive but > > since we charge a lot for a phone line they payback quickly. > > > > *They are a Toronto company.I think they are looking for a Canadian > > distributor so if anyone is interested give them a call. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless bridge with no control. I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into one. And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. We needed something integrated that allows full management capabilities (including SSH functionality). We can control them all either via SSH or http. We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, configure them etc. Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in and it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show industry. -Original Message- From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their device... http://www.neware.ca/specs.html Richard - Original Message - From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the cost? I > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > To: biz@taug.ca > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > available network. > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly for > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work well > > with > > Asterisk! > > > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment (office > > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere you > > don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running wires! > > It > > can act as a network bridge with a DHCP server and 4 port switch! > > > > I think companies that have WiFi everywhere (i.e. Toronto Hydro > > Telecom) > > could use them to deloy VoIP service to home and business customers > > using Asterisk. > > > > Pretty cool. We are using a few for the Grand Prix in outdoor areas > > where we can't physically run a phone line to. They were expensive but > > since we charge a lot for a phone line they payback quickly. > > > > *They are a Toronto company.I think they are looking for a Canadian > > distributor so if anyone is interested give them a call. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Hi Justin, just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first post and even when I called you at "their" office. Regards, Shidan On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless bridge with no control. I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into one. And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. We needed something integrated that allows full management capabilities (including SSH functionality). We can control them all either via SSH or http. We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, configure them etc. Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in and it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show industry. -Original Message- From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their device... http://www.neware.ca/specs.html Richard - Original Message - From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the cost? I > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > To: biz@taug.ca > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > available network. > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly for > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work well > > with > > Asterisk! > > > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment (office > > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere you > > don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running wires! > > It > > can act as a network bridge with a DHCP server and 4 port switch! > > > > I think companies that have WiFi everywhere (i.e. Toronto Hydro > > Telecom) > > could use them to deloy VoIP service to home and business customers > > using Asterisk. > > > > Pretty cool. We are using a few for the Grand Prix in outdoor areas > > where we can't physically run a phone line to. They were expensive but > > since we charge a lot for a phone line they payback quickly. > > > > *They are a Toronto company.I think they are looking for a Canadian > > distributor so if anyone is interested give them a call. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
On Tuesday 10 July 2007 2:26 pm, Shidan wrote: > just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" > shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is > unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first > post and even when I called you at "their" office. Do you have any proof that Justin Sweeney works for or profits from neware.ca's doing well? To be honest this is also what I'd originally thought. -A.
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
I don't see a problem with using a box that has a lot of value to those of 'us' in the trade and consumer show industry. If a new solution and/or demand can be fulfilled, why not? The cost of the unit is reasonable given the returns available. Especially for a small company in Canada to create something like is very difficult. Only a small quantity can be manufactured at a time so the per unit cost is high. As production increases the cost can come down. As for price, I'm sure the vendor would be willing to ratify the prices. As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the device useful? -Original Message- From: Shidan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:26 PM To: biz@taug.ca Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. Hi Justin, just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first post and even when I called you at "their" office. Regards, Shidan On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless > bridge with no control. > > I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into one. > > And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. > > We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. > > We needed something integrated that allows full management > capabilities (including SSH functionality). > > We can control them all either via SSH or http. > > We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, > configure them etc. > > Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk > and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in and > it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. > > For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. > > The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So > we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show industry. > > -Original Message----- > From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their > device... > > http://www.neware.ca/specs.html > > Richard > - Original Message - > From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the > cost? I > > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > > To: biz@taug.ca > > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > > available network. > > > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly > for > > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work > > > well with Asterisk! > > > > > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment > (office > > > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere > > > you don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running > wires! > > > It > > > can act as a network bridge with a DHCP server and 4 port switch! > > > > > > I think companies that have WiFi everywhere (i.e. Toronto Hydro > > > Telecom) > > > could use them to deloy VoIP service to home and business > > > customers using Asterisk. > > > > > > Pretty cool. We are using a few for the Grand Prix in outdoor > > > areas where we can't physically run a phone line to. They were > > > expensive > but > > > since we charge a lot for a phone line they payback quickly. > > > > > > *They are a Toronto company.I think they are looking for a > > > Canadian distributor so if anyone is interested give them a call. > > > > > > > - > &
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
On Tuesday 10 July 2007 2:41 pm, Justin Sweeney wrote: > As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the device > useful? Do you work for, or profit from neware.ca's success, outside of it being a useful gadget for your specific needs? -A.
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
In a court of law I must answer...yes. I am the 'inventor' of the concept. The true coders are ANI Firmware in Japan. Manufactured by HHT (Hitachi High Technologies) Renasis chipset. -Original Message- From: Andrew Kohlsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:43 PM To: biz@taug.ca Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. On Tuesday 10 July 2007 2:41 pm, Justin Sweeney wrote: > As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the device > useful? Do you work for, or profit from neware.ca's success, outside of it being a useful gadget for your specific needs? -A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
899 for these devices is way over the top, there are other devices in the us I saw at the trade show in Chicago that are 120us retail. On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 14:41 -0400, Justin Sweeney wrote: > I don't see a problem with using a box that has a lot of value to those > of 'us' in the trade and consumer show industry. > > If a new solution and/or demand can be fulfilled, why not? > > The cost of the unit is reasonable given the returns available. > Especially for a small company in Canada to create something like is > very difficult. Only a small quantity can be manufactured at a time so > the per unit cost is high. As production increases the cost can come > down. > > As for price, I'm sure the vendor would be willing to ratify the prices. > > > As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the device > useful? > > -Original Message- > From: Shidan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:26 PM > To: biz@taug.ca > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > Hi Justin, > > just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" > shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is > unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first > post and even when I called you at "their" office. > > Regards, > Shidan > > On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless > > bridge with no control. > > > > I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into one. > > > > And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. > > > > We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. > > > > We needed something integrated that allows full management > > capabilities (including SSH functionality). > > > > We can control them all either via SSH or http. > > > > We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, > > configure them etc. > > > > Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk > > and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in and > > > it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. > > > > For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. > > > > The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So > > we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show > industry. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca > > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their > > device... > > > > http://www.neware.ca/specs.html > > > > Richard > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM > > Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the > > cost? I > > > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > > > To: biz@taug.ca > > > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > > > available network. > > > > > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly > > for > > > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work > > > > well with Asterisk! > > > > > > > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment > > (office > > > > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere > > > > you don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running > > wires! > > > > It > > > > can act as a network bridge with
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
If you have the link to device I would love to see it. I still to date have not seen a device that combines everything into one. It there is...it would have saved me the headache and last two years of my life trying to build something. -Original Message- From: philip mullis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:50 PM To: Justin Sweeney Cc: biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. 899 for these devices is way over the top, there are other devices in the us I saw at the trade show in Chicago that are 120us retail. On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 14:41 -0400, Justin Sweeney wrote: > I don't see a problem with using a box that has a lot of value to > those of 'us' in the trade and consumer show industry. > > If a new solution and/or demand can be fulfilled, why not? > > The cost of the unit is reasonable given the returns available. > Especially for a small company in Canada to create something like is > very difficult. Only a small quantity can be manufactured at a time so > the per unit cost is high. As production increases the cost can come > down. > > As for price, I'm sure the vendor would be willing to ratify the prices. > > > As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the device > useful? > > -Original Message- > From: Shidan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:26 PM > To: biz@taug.ca > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > Hi Justin, > > just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" > shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is > unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first > post and even when I called you at "their" office. > > Regards, > Shidan > > On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless > > bridge with no control. > > > > I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into one. > > > > And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. > > > > We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. > > > > We needed something integrated that allows full management > > capabilities (including SSH functionality). > > > > We can control them all either via SSH or http. > > > > We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, > > configure them etc. > > > > Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk > > and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in > > and > > > it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. > > > > For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. > > > > The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So > > we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show > industry. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca > > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their > > device... > > > > http://www.neware.ca/specs.html > > > > Richard > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM > > Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the > > cost? I > > > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > > > To: biz@taug.ca > > > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > > > available network. > > > > > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most > > > > importantly > > for > > > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work > > > > well with Asterisk! > &g
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
Check out the comtrend products. On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 14:52 -0400, Justin Sweeney wrote: > If you have the link to device I would love to see it. > > I still to date have not seen a device that combines everything into > one. > > It there is...it would have saved me the headache and last two years of > my life trying to build something. > > -Original Message- > From: philip mullis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:50 PM > To: Justin Sweeney > Cc: biz@taug.ca > Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > > 899 for these devices is way over the top, there are other devices in > the us I saw at the trade show in Chicago that are 120us retail. > > > > On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 14:41 -0400, Justin Sweeney wrote: > > I don't see a problem with using a box that has a lot of value to > > those of 'us' in the trade and consumer show industry. > > > > If a new solution and/or demand can be fulfilled, why not? > > > > The cost of the unit is reasonable given the returns available. > > Especially for a small company in Canada to create something like is > > very difficult. Only a small quantity can be manufactured at a time so > > > the per unit cost is high. As production increases the cost can come > > down. > > > > As for price, I'm sure the vendor would be willing to ratify the > prices. > > > > > > As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the device > > > useful? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Shidan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:26 PM > > To: biz@taug.ca > > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Hi Justin, > > > > just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" > > shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is > > unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your first > > post and even when I called you at "their" office. > > > > Regards, > > Shidan > > > > On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless > > > bridge with no control. > > > > > > I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into > one. > > > > > > And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. > > > > > > We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. > > > > > > We needed something integrated that allows full management > > > capabilities (including SSH functionality). > > > > > > We can control them all either via SSH or http. > > > > > > We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, > > > configure them etc. > > > > > > Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk > > > and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in > > > and > > > > > it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. > > > > > > For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. > > > > > > The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So > > > > we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show > > industry. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca > > > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their > > > device... > > > > > > http://www.neware.ca/specs.html > > > > > > Richard > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM > > > Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the > > > cost? I > > > > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > > > > To: biz@taug.ca > > > > > Subject: [biz] Very
RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
I saw this one but it still does not have the same software functionality from what I can see. http://www.comtrend.com/index.php?module=products&op=show&sn=2 In order to get internet connectivity to this box a physical cable must be plugged into it. The wireless portion still seems only as an AP that other devices can connect to. Can it communicate SIP via WiFi and output a standard analog dial-tone? -Original Message- From: philip mullis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:56 PM To: Justin Sweeney Cc: biz@taug.ca Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. Check out the comtrend products. On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 14:52 -0400, Justin Sweeney wrote: > If you have the link to device I would love to see it. > > I still to date have not seen a device that combines everything into > one. > > It there is...it would have saved me the headache and last two years > of my life trying to build something. > > -Original Message- > From: philip mullis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:50 PM > To: Justin Sweeney > Cc: biz@taug.ca > Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > > 899 for these devices is way over the top, there are other devices in > the us I saw at the trade show in Chicago that are 120us retail. > > > > On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 14:41 -0400, Justin Sweeney wrote: > > I don't see a problem with using a box that has a lot of value to > > those of 'us' in the trade and consumer show industry. > > > > If a new solution and/or demand can be fulfilled, why not? > > > > The cost of the unit is reasonable given the returns available. > > Especially for a small company in Canada to create something like is > > very difficult. Only a small quantity can be manufactured at a time > > so > > > the per unit cost is high. As production increases the cost can come > > down. > > > > As for price, I'm sure the vendor would be willing to ratify the > prices. > > > > > > As for me...Justin...what's in a name? The question is...is the > > device > > > useful? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Shidan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:26 PM > > To: biz@taug.ca > > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Hi Justin, > > > > just to clarify something when you say "They are a Toronto company" > > shouldn't you be saying "We are a Toronto company". Your price is > > unreasonably expensive. You almost sold me on it though in your > > first post and even when I called you at "their" office. > > > > Regards, > > Shidan > > > > On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless > > > bridge with no control. > > > > > > I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into > one. > > > > > > And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. > > > > > > We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. > > > > > > We needed something integrated that allows full management > > > capabilities (including SSH functionality). > > > > > > We can control them all either via SSH or http. > > > > > > We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, > > > configure them etc. > > > > > > Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order > > > desk and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug > > > it in and > > > > > it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. > > > > > > For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. > > > > > > The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. > > > So > > > > we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show > > industry. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca > > > Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > > > I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their > > > device... > > > > > > http://www.neware.ca/specs.html > > > > > > Richard > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTEC
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
On Tuesday 10 July 2007 2:49 pm, Justin Sweeney wrote:
> In a court of law I must answer...yes.
> I am the 'inventor' of the concept.
Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing attempt
("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and state clearly
that you're affiliated with these people, that you think it's the cat's ass,
that you're local and you have the ear of the developers? Do you not think
that all of those points are important enough to mention?
Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show it's
just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're calling
attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT LEAST a year, and
should know better.
How many people make product or service recommendations here and disclaim it
right away? How many people have you seen plug services and CLEARLY state "I
don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or "full disclosure: I
work for this company" ?
Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you standing
proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into the concept
that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I feel
deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company providing
the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE knows about WHY
I'm avoiding them.
-A.
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Amen.
Good for you Andrew.
Cam
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
On Tuesday 10 July 2007 2:49 pm, Justin Sweeney wrote:
In a court of law I must answer...yes.
I am the 'inventor' of the concept.
Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing attempt
("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and state clearly
that you're affiliated with these people, that you think it's the cat's ass,
that you're local and you have the ear of the developers? Do you not think
that all of those points are important enough to mention?
Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show it's
just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're calling
attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT LEAST a year, and
should know better.
How many people make product or service recommendations here and disclaim it
right away? How many people have you seen plug services and CLEARLY state "I
don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or "full disclosure: I
work for this company" ?
Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you standing
proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into the concept
that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I feel
deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company providing
the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE knows about WHY
I'm avoiding them.
-A.
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RE: [biz] Very cool little box.
There is no deception here.
If I was trying to 'deceive' I certainly would have used another name or
gone to great lengths hide my email etc.
Many people are affiliated with companies and push there products.
If anyone here owns Nortel, Cisco, or any other type of stock you have a
stake in that company's product. There is no need to indicate that you
own it when you say 'the Sipura 1001 is a good product.' try it out.
Which is all I am saying.
Grassroots is what this BIZ list is all about isn't it? Making things
known. It is a business list.
I merely present the product form my legitimate standpoint as a consumer
of the product and how I employ it. And I do.
That I happen to help the other half of the company along makes no
difference.
Having said that. If anyone 'feels' they have been misinformed I
apologize. That certainly was not my intent.
I have been a member of this list for quite a while and have enjoyed all
the information and help.
Does anyone out there support me?
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Kohlsmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:12 PM
To: biz@taug.ca
Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
On Tuesday 10 July 2007 2:49 pm, Justin Sweeney wrote:
> In a court of law I must answer...yes.
> I am the 'inventor' of the concept.
Ok, so instead of hiding behind a pretty shoddy grassroots marketing
attempt ("hey man I just found a cool device"), why not come out and
state clearly that you're affiliated with these people, that you think
it's the cat's ass, that you're local and you have the ear of the
developers? Do you not think that all of those points are important
enough to mention?
Honestly, there's enough of a precedent set on these lists which show
it's just good manners to state when you've got a stake in what you're
calling attention to. You yourself have been on these lists for AT
LEAST a year, and should know better.
How many people make product or service recommendations here and
disclaim it right away? How many people have you seen plug services and
CLEARLY state "I don't work for 'em, I am just a satisfied customer" or
"full disclosure: I work for this company" ?
Why hide? If it's yours, or you've got a stake in it, why aren't you
standing proud? I mean shit man, if you've got $thousands dumped into
the concept that's a pretty strong indicator of how you feel.
While I can't speak for others on the list, I know that whenever I feel
deceived I make it a point to not only steer clear of the company
providing the product or service, but also to make sure that EVERYONE
knows about WHY I'm avoiding them.
-A.
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Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
If anyone here owns Nortel, Cisco, or any other type of stock you have a stake in that company's product. There is no need to indicate that you own it when you say 'the Sipura 1001 is a good product.' try it out. Which is all I am saying. You work at this company, you own the domain for this company. You commissioned the uClinux guys to design this box for you, you are their primary developer and an officer. Please stop being so asinine and give us just a tad bit of respect. I won't even bother explaining the difference between owning a few shares in Cisco and what you are doing, because no one here is as stupid as you think. --- Shidan
Re: [biz] Very cool little box.
Hello all, We have been using WBP54G for some time - and found it to be the coolest little wireless device. ;) With a phone adapter i would imagine it would do a job for a fax or a credit card device. -- Alex Kovalenko Director of Operations Kovasys Inc. 1155 Boulevard René-Lévesque O., Suite 2500 Montréal, QC H3B 2K4 tel: 514.907.3192 ext. 701 toll: 888.KOVAS4S fax: 514.227.5377 www.kovasys.com "Consultation et Recrutement en TI" "IT Consulting & Staffing" On 7/10/07, Justin Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have seen the WBP54G and while useful all it is...is a wireless bridge with no control. I like the design and the way the both concepts are COMBINED into one. And besides, they are a Canadian company. Linksys has enough money. We can talk to them directly and request firmware adjustments. We needed something integrated that allows full management capabilities (including SSH functionality). We can control them all either via SSH or http. We don't have the time fumble about with two separate devices, configure them etc. Our customers like them because they pick them up at the order desk and all they have do is take it to their booth location plug it in and it works. They plug in there phone, computer, POS machine, FAX etc. For our application it makes sense. One device does it all. The ROI is awesome anyway because we charge $250 each phone line. So we make our money very quickly in the trade and consumer show industry. -Original Message- From: Richard (Rogers @ work) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biz@taug.ca Subject: Re: [biz] Very cool little box. I thought the same thing too after I looked at the back of their device... http://www.neware.ca/specs.html Richard - Original Message - From: "Nabeel Jafferali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [biz] Very cool little box. > Wouldn't a WBP54G + PAP2T do the same thing for a FRACTION of the cost? I > have a customer doing that at a convention centre in the GTA. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Justin Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: July 10, 2007 10:52 AM > > To: biz@taug.ca > > Subject: [biz] Very cool little box. > > > > Check this little guy out. > > > > www.neware.ca > > > > It is called the WiPOT. (For WiFi Plain Old Telephone line) > > > > > > The device delivers legacy analog telephone signal via any WiFi > > available network. > > > > You can use it send and receive faxes, Phones and most importantly for > > us POS terminals. We have a lot of use for them. And they work well > > with > > Asterisk! > > > > But I also think anyone could use them in an office environment (office > > in a box) where people keep moving around or just about anywhere you > > don't feel like running a line to. I know I am sick of running wires! > > It > > can act as a network bridge with a DHCP server and 4 port switch! > > > > I think companies that have WiFi everywhere (i.e. Toronto Hydro > > Telecom) > > could use them to deloy VoIP service to home and business customers > > using Asterisk. > > > > Pretty cool. We are using a few for the Grand Prix in outdoor areas > > where we can't physically run a phone line to. They were expensive but > > since we charge a lot for a phone line they payback quickly. > > > > *They are a Toronto company.I think they are looking for a Canadian > > distributor so if anyone is interested give them a call. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
