Re: update-menus question
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:51:36 -0800 Bob Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i dug deeper into blackboxwm.sourceforge.net website i did find a section Blackbox Documentation/Blackbox Menus/System Integration that gets into some detail on the debian specifics of using update-menus command. i just need to read and learn more about /etc/menu-methods/ and how to actually get a executable blackbox file in that folder and what the file contents should be. You can grab a blackbox .deb file from a Debian mirror, it should have the file you need. I've also attached the one I have, it goes into /etc/menu-methods/blackbox. I use it by running this command in cron: /usr/bin/update-menus --menumethod /etc/menu-methods/blackbox -- Ciprian Popovici blackbox Description: Binary data signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Xft and fonts
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:35:04 -0500 Larson, Timothy E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is indeed it...no Xft support. If the BB that Fedora and NetBSD ship does not support Xft, it seems better not to use that syntax in my style. OK, but please note that by using XLFD font notation you essentially tell Blackbox you want it to use legacy X rendering for that font, in turn giving up FontConfig support, which implies anti-aliasing! So you should be careful what fonts you use. Many of them are notorious for looking disgusting without AA. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: style questions from a newbie
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:56:23 -0500 Larson, Timothy E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I get it. Without knowing that, I assumed that frame would be around the three major elements of your first diagram. I guess I thought that's how X worked, by reparenting windows in other windows to group them into one window. I don't know how the three elements become one window without that, and if that is indeed happening after all, why we can't style the overall window. X doesn't particularly care about window decorations. It will honor them but not impose or describe them. It's the window manager's job to do that. The thing that's essential is the innner rectangle where the application actually lives. Try setting up a bbkeys combo to toggle decorations off a window and see what's left. Adding anything other than that is up to Blackbox and Brad has chosen to add a top and a bottom bar and a thin frame. Other managers do it differently. Changing this for purely aesthetical reasons won't fly. There are performance issues at stake, first and foremost, since this design has been chosen to be light and fast. There are also ergonomical issues and the current design has proven very successful in this respect. Actually, adding a full frame may do more harm than good, since Blackbox users have come to expect to be able to right-click the left/right edge of a maximized window to hit the frame and obtain the main Blackbox menu. Not to mention changing the styles in major ways and losing backwards compatibility and so on. Here are a few choices: * The Artwiz fonts, if they match your style's feel. http://x2.zuavra.net/index.php/58/ Are there screenshots somewhere? That page has a link to a website at the bottom, see there. Also try Google Images. I found 13 fonts that were common across the three boxes I happen to have access to (and have X installed) at the moment. Since I have not installed any additional fonts, I'll assume for now that these are my choices. What are those 13, out of curiosity? Most Linux boxes probably have some form of Arial, Helvetica or Courier, aside from the required default fonts, but it's anybody's guess how they will look. Also consider whether the recipient of a style has AA activated or not, hinting activated or not and so on. Some fonts produce nasty suprises in different circumstances. The Artwiz fonts -- and I think the fixed font too -- are bitmap fonts so they're not subject to much rendering variance. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: style questions from a newbie
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:21:49 -0500, Larson, Timothy E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand the necessity of having per-user overrides. I don't understand why the style can't set defaults. If a style is for getting a certain look then it should be able to modify virtually anything to achieve that - given that the user can override, of course. I'm not sure I want to change any of those things...but if my styles want the toolbar TopCenter and 100% for aesthetic reasons, I don't see why it shouldn't be able to. The user could always override. It's not that the user could override, it's that he (or, rather, Blackbox) WILL always override. None of the things you see in the rc are optional. Blackbox maintains the entire set of options by force, providing defaults if an option is missing or the value is invalid. The only option allowed to be empty (and thus overridable) is rootCommand, which is an exception for the sake of security. What you're proposing is that a style be able to supply rc options. Except there wouldn't be any way for the user to signal that he wants to allow styles to override a certain option, since the rc entries are always there, one way or another. And I think you'll agree that it's not normal to allow a style take precedence over the rc. The Blackbox way tries to clearly separate preferences that have to do with looks and preferences that have to do with functionality. IMHO, a style has no business affecting functionality. Aha! On the BlackboxDocumentation/BlackboxStyles/StyleSyntax page the lists don't mention widget.appearance explicitly - it's only mentioned at the top of the page. So I was using toolbar: solid flat etc. Oddly enough, it usually worked... Yes, the styling part of the website docs still need some extensive love. For the moment there's just a few examples which obviously don't cover all the quirks. For the time being, I've added the example I gave you to that page. I have been reading this already. Installing new themes doesn't seem the friendliest process for non-geeks, though. I'm afraid Blackbox is not exactly your regular non-geek-friendly window manager, anyway. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: style questions from a newbie
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:31:39 +0200, Bernhard Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 02:24:53PM -0500, Larson, Timothy E. wrote: What about fc-list? Which is better? I don't know which is better, i'm always using xlsfonts.. There's an (important) difference. There are actually two font subsystems used by X. One is the X internal system, which was the first and is still used for backwards compatibility. In this system, available fonts are maintained by X internally. It finds fonts in several ways: using the settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (FontPath); loading fonts dirs on the fly using the xset command line tool (well, more like during X startup, from ~/.xinitrc); or getting them from the font server (XFS), if you use that. xlsfonts is the font report tool for this system, and there's also xfontsel, a graphical utility for exploring fonts easily. Fonts in this system are described in a notation called XLFD, which looks like this: -misc-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1. See xfontsel to understand the components of the notation. The second font system is called FontConfig and is the modern one that will eventually replace the other (hopefully) and is in current use by all modern X desktop apps. It is configured via /etc/fonts/ xml files, or ~/.fonts.conf. It has a caching system managed via the fc-cache console tool. It uses fc-list to list available fonts. The font notation is FontName-Size:style=Bold, with the part after : being optional. See fc-list for valid combinations. Blackbox 0.70+ uses both systems. It recognizes a font as being one or the other through the notation used (XLFD or FC). The important trick to remember is that only FC fonts will get anti-aliasing and all the other eye-candy (hinting etc.) So use of FC fonts exclusively is highly encouraged. A safe bet should be something like: *Font: -misc-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1 Very safe, and very boring too. :) Actually, I forgot to mention this, but both font systems have a safe default. For X there are three aliases that are guaranteed to always be there: fixed (fixed-width font), cursor (mouse cursors), and variable (variable-width font). You can also use a full XLFD notation for fixed, but it's not guaranteed the user will have that particular kind of fixed (due to slant, weight, charset, size and so on). For FontConfig there are also three fonts that are guaranteed to be there: sans (deprecated in favor of sans-serif but still usable), mono (deprecated by monospace) and serif. So you can use Sans-10:style=Bold as a good bet. You should also know that Blackbox will try to fallback to something in case a style font can't be found. But I can't remember what to ie. if it uses a FC default for FC fonts. It definitely falls back to fixed for XLFD fonts and possible for all fonts. There's also another issue here, that of multiple fonts. I think there's a request on the tracker about being able to supply multiple fonts and have Blackbox try them in order, like in CSS. But I have no idea what complications that might bring. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: blackbox 0.65 vs. 0.70
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:24:34 -0500 Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had to guess, I would label a seamless upgrade between bbkeys versions a necessity, as well. As it is, they have incompatible configuration file formats, and the new bbkeys has no (a) configurator, or (b) conversion script. bbconf could use an upgrade. From what I understand, it's based on a plugin design, which would simply have to be updated to match the changes in syntax in bbkeys 0.9 and blackbox 0.70. And yet it's been more than a year without anybody touching it. Almost makes me want to learn C++ programming. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: blackbox 0.65 vs. 0.70 (was: blackbox 0.70.1; bbkeys 0.9.0 - bbkeys crashes with invalid pointer)
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:12:35 -0400 Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And these do remain my concerns. From my point of view as somebody who supports a large number of users (many of which use blackbox), I can't just replace blackbox 0.65 with 0.70 without forcing those users to change their setups. They would need to change their bbkeys configuration, at the very least, and many bbtools might not work anymore. You can be fairly sure they won't work anymore. But as I said, there are ample alternatives out there, in the form of panels, applets and dockapps. I don't see the sense in clinging to a bunch of very old applications, which don't respect the EWMH standard and which probably won't be updated (if there were going to they would have by now). As for Blackbox 0.70, it gives users the possibility to enjoy a EWMH desktop and hundreds of applications that nowadays take it for granted. At the very least one separate package should be provided, and one for bbkeys. The ties with 0.65 have been severed rather abruptly and you'd have a hard time finding files they have in common. I agree that bbkeys is a must-have. However, switching over is not exactly a tragedy. Once bbkeys starts and doesn't find a suitable bbkeysrc it will use the default, installed under its own PREFIX. As a maintainer, you could hack the source to look for something other than ~/.bbkeysrc (such as ~/.bbkeysrc-new), just to make sure it doesn't try to use the old setup users have around. What happens then? Everybody who launches Blackbox 0.70 and bbkeys 0.9 will get basic keyboard functionality, including Alt+TAB and workspace switching via Alt+digit, as well as (I believe). As a maintainer, you can also add whatever else you think might be useful to the default rc file. IMHO, an EWMH-capable Blackbox and a functional bbkeys is pretty much all that a Blackbox user needs to get around. For a 0.65 NetBSD user, the menu will still be there, his dockapps will still work. If he needs to tweak his new bbkeys setup further he can, but he won't be penalized if he doesn't have the time to do it right away. The bbtools may be gone but replacement would be readily available. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Shadow support, take two
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:26:05 +0200 Johannes Winkelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've implemented the suggestions from the former thread and uploaded an updated patch to the tracker [1]. I also implemented shadows for the window buttons (minimize/maximize/close/itemize) and toolbar arrows, even though I'm not sure whether it's solved the best possible way. I've been examining the button draw code for my own reasons (user customized bitmaps) and in that respect I found it a bit lacking, because constants aren't exactly suited for custom modifications. :) What issue did you have with them? Off the top of my head, it seems like a simple matter of checking if the shadow is activated and drawing the buttons twice, with 2 colors, displaced by 1px right and down. I can think of a couple of problems and I'm curious if you handled them. 1) Solid (aka inverted) buttons, the kind where the background is NOT transparent. 2) Boundary checking. Adding shadows (to both text and buttons) will increase the respective bars by 1px. Is there any case when the button/text shadow runs off the bar? How about if we combine w/ problem (1)? -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Text shadows
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:51:52 +0200 Johannes Winkelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 17:41:20 -0400, Joey Morris wrote: So I would suggest naming the attributes window.label.focus.drawShadow window.label.unfocus.drawShadow Agreed, that makes more sense. Should it maybe even be *.textShadow instead of *.drawShadow? I don't have a strong preference here, but since the colors are named textShadowColor, it might be a better choice. Opinions? Joey suggestion does seem more intuitive. And textShadow does too. Once you're put things together, it would help to make a tarball with everything (patch, readme, styles) and open a patch on SourceForge. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: bbkeys issue
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:07:09 +0100, Bernhard Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Execute](Mod1-F10) {import ~/screen-`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S`.png}
[Execute](Mod1-F11) {/usr/sbin/vbetool dpms on;touch /tmp/dpms}
[Execute](Mod1-F12) {xscreensaver-command -lock}
Do these work for you? For me with blackbox-0.70.1 and bbkeys from
around 2005-11-10 these three are specified in my .bbkeysrc but
apparently blackbox has them hardwired to the {horiz,vert,full}maximize
actions.
It's not Blackbox, it's still bbkeys. Check out your bbkeys config file
and look
for toggleMaximizeFull, toggleMaximizeHorizontal and toggleMaximizeVertical.
IIRC they come with by default tied to ALT+F10/11/12, that's the gotcha. Of
course any later [Execute] won't work. :)
FWIW, there's very little that Blackbox hardwires. ALT modifier for window
dragging and resizing, Enter and arrow keys in the main menu, that's about it.
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Re: gnome-panel vs Blackbox
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:15:13 +0200 Ciprian Popovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided to give gnome-panel a try. Only one problem so far: when it starts, it's not right against the top edge, there's a space there, as if there was another panel between it and the edge. But there isn't, it's empty space. Disregard this... turns out I was somehow using an old CVS release of Blackbox. The latest CVS doesn't have this issue. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: bbkeys stylefile
Quoting Joey Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there any way to set the bbkeys 'stylefile' config directive to point to the current blackbox stylefile without hardcoding it? I want the bbkeys style to change automatically whenever I change the blackbox style. Not really, I'm afraid. There's no communication between bbkeys and blackbox other than for standard-, window-handling- issues, and that's done via the usual X channels. Changing style together, or popping up the main menu, or such other stuff, would require bbkeys and blackbox to agree on and implement some X atoms which would be specific to their combination and useless otherwise. Both their respective developers are a bit reluctant to go down that path, from what I've seen, because, technically, bbkeys is a standalone application, not part of the Blackbox suite, like bstyleconvert or bsetroot. I guess an alternative to bbkeys supporting this natively would be to put together some script to update .bbkeysrc whenever the blackbox style changes. I can't think of an easy way to do this off the top of my head, though. You can run a script in the background. Make it grep your Blackbox rc file (~/.blackboxrc, usually) for session.styleFile and check the resource value with what it got on the previous run. If it changed, update .bbkeysrc. If not, don't. Then sleep for a while, like 30 seconds, and cycle again. This could be a shell script and you could start it from .xinitrc with the rest of the desktop tools. If you can't write one let me know, I'll put one together, it's not very complicated. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: low color theme needed
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:40:56 -0600 Larson, Timothy E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to find a theme that works well at low color depth (even 1-bit, for my SE/30) while still looking good at higher depths, so I can use the same configuration across all my machines. (I may mount my home Did you try the default Blackbox puts out when no style is found? Or use bstyleconver on an empty file and see how you like the result. It's pure black/white stuff, that means 1 bit and it's meant to be the absolute lowest common denominator. This could actually prove to be a good usability test for those defaults. Note that they are not identical, the Blackbox default and the bstyleconvert default. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: bbpager vs blackbox 0.70.x
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:12:24 -0600 Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I experience the same delay with bbkeys- I can only assume it's some sort of initialization? Sort of. I believe it's due to the need bbkeys has for checking that a EWMH compliant window manager is running. Remember that bbkeys has to actually be started before Blackbox, due to the way startx works. There is no way to accurately predict how long will the window manager take to start, so you can't really use the sleep trick reliably. And if bbkeys tries to do its stuff without a window manager, it would crash and burn. I think it actually did, in some earlier CVS version. So the delay is time that bbkeys takes to determine that Blackbox is up and ready for action. I'm not sure if the mechanism could be improved, but I suspect that if it was possible, vanRijn would have done it. No expert, me, just my 2¢ and MHO. -- Ciprian Popovici signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Website copyright
I've just remember that we still don't have any copyright or licensing terms declared for the contents of the official Blackbox website. http://blackboxwm.sf.net/ It's a wiki, so ordinary copyright notices probably don't work, for sheer lack of one single author to credit. There are multiple authors and sometimes they are anonymous. Actually, establishing their identity precisely is probably impossible. The easiest would be to put it all in public domain and add a notice to the edit page stating that the contributors assume all responsability for the source of the stuff they add, and that they agree to put it in public domain (provided it's not already licensed otherwise, of course). There are licenses that can be used, such as Creative Commons or GNU Free Documentation License. I'm not familiar with them so perhaps someone else can tell us if they're appropriate for a wiki. Wikipedia has a rather complicated set of terms in place, which spreads several pages. I'd rather not go that far unless absolutely necessary. I see that the Mozilla Knowledge Base also follows them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights http://kb.mozillazine.org/MozillaZine_Knowledge_Base:Copyrights -- Ciprian Popovici pgpiWHLVEU6vx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: bbpager for blackbox 0.70
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:50:32 +0200 John Kennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Finally a version of bbpager that works with blackbox 0.70, you can get it at http://bbtools.sf.net This is a beta release so thier might still be some issues. I get a crash after switching desktops (via bbpager) a few times: #0 0x4134baac in free () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x4029da31 in operator delete(void*) (ptr=0x800) at ../../../../gcc-3.4.4/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/del_op.cc:40 #2 0x08058d57 in PagerWindow::propertyNotifyEvent(XPropertyEvent const*) () #3 0x4010acbc in bt::Application::process_event(_XEvent*) () from /opt/.system/lib/libbt.so.0 #4 0x4010a4c1 in bt::Application::run() () from /opt/.system/lib/libbt.so.0 #5 0x0804d222 in main () #6 0x412f463d in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 -- Ciprian Popovici pgphQkHexfK6u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Solution: popping up Blackbox menu via keyboard
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:48:19 -0400 Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper
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[mouseClickRight] (Mod1-Control-Shift-j) {+0+400}
[mouseClickLeft] (Mod1-Control-Shift-l) {+0+400}
[mouseClickMiddle] (Mod1-Control-Shift-k) {+0+400}
[...]
I'm curious as to what people think though.
If you mean adding support for fake mouse events via keyboard, by all
means, go for it. There are many command line utils that implement this in
many ways and to various extents, it would be great IMO to have them right
in bbkeys.
These mouse events I think would be useful:
* click button 1/2/3 at coordinates X,Y
* move mouse cursor N pixels up/down/left/right
[mouseMoveLeft] (shortcut) {10}
* place mouse cursor to coordinates X,Y
[mousePlaceAt] (shortcut) {+10+10}
Another very interesting feature I can suggest in connection with the
above would be optional LIRC support, selected at compilation time. This
way bbkeys could become both a keyboard handler and a means to control the
mouse and the keys via infrared remote.
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Re: call for help in maintaining bbconf
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:42:31 -0400 Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 July 2005 19:48, Keith Maika wrote: I could take a stab at it. I'm not extreamly experienced with C++ or Qt, but I have messed around with them. The first and easiest thing to look at would probably be getting the blackbox style file changes up to snuff. I'm not honestly sure what has changed in this space, but I think it's documented somewhere on either the Wiki (Ciprian, do you know this info?) or with blackbox itself (Bradley, do you have this documented somewhre?) as to what changed between 0.65 and 0.70. It's not documented perfectly (ie. extensive explanations), but here are some pages you can look at: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxDocumentation/BlackboxStyles/ There's a full 0.70 example there, and a most up to date one can be produced using bstyleconvert on a blank file. I can also try to answer any questions anybody may have. Perhaps it would be a good idea to talk to Anatoly Asviyan, the maintainer of fbpanel, and ask if he would be interested in writing a plugin for configuring fbpanel. I've taken the liberty to CC him. I know that a graphical configuration utility for fbpanel has been marked high priority for a while now on the fbpanel tracker, so he might be up for it. I mean, he might just prefer to write a plugin instead of writing a full GUI from scratch. The fbpanel config file has a simple syntax and, naturally, he already has a parser written. The only issue I see is that Anatoly is probably more versed in GTK/C than Qt/C++. Many people use fbpanel together with Blackbox, from what I gather, so this would make bbconf an even more popular and useful tool. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Solution: popping up Blackbox menu via keyboard
I've posted a verbose description here: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxFAQ/UsageAndFeatures The solution works well and doesn't require any special support in neither bbkeys nor Blackbox. It will most likely work with 0.65 too. Thanks to Thomas Tretzmüller for finding xnee. I've managed to reduce the macros produced by xnee to only 6 lines, which are easy to adapt to any specific environment (hopefully). If anybody gets into trouble, please report it here. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: backgrounds using bsetbg
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:49:11 +0300 Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone share tips about making crisp .png or .jpg backgrounds using bsetbg? I use a color depth of 16 at the moment with KDE. Do I need to increase this to 24 first? Probably, yes. I've noticed myself that at 16 depth some backgrounds look less then all right. It depends on how the image was created, of course, but most people seem to create them for 24+. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Iconify and raise with fbpanel
Quoting Dave Serls [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Going to reply to my own request. I know this is not the correct fix, but it things behave so well. For fbpanel 4.2, taskbar.c, there are two spots where XMapRaised is called to de-iconify a window. This call is ineffective with blackbox on my system (X 6.8.2, GTK 2.6.7) for some reason. Adding Xclimsg(tk-win, a_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ); 'or' Xclimsg(tb-menutask-win, a_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ); at these points seems to resuscitate the windows. Arrived at this by following Nyz indications for 'activate'. You ought to record this fix on the fbpanel SF tracker as well. http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbpanel -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: new features in bbkeys, CVS
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:07:32 -0400 Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and run xmacroplay :0 /tmp/button3.test, the menu does get opened and focus is transferred to it, so up/down/left/right keypresses works as one would expect. The only thing is that this requires the user to know at exactly what coordinates to move the mouse pointer to before triggering a ButtonPress/ButtonRelease. In other words, it's not a showRootMenu function this way. It's a pressMouseButton3 function, being passed a geometry. And if a window is in the way, the root window won't open. =:( All valid objections. And I can add that if you try xmacroplay from bbkeys instead of the terminal, you won't be able to focus the bb menu either. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: new features in bbkeys, CVS
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:07:32 -0400 Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] With so many things that can go wrong, why bother implementing it in bbkeys? We can just tell people how to implement the kludge with xmacro or xnee and let it at that. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: new features in bbkeys, CVS
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 03:51:43 -0600 Keith Maika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, Any idea if/when bbkeys will be able to show the root menu. I know it's been brought up before, and if I remember right the thing was that blackbox didn't have the fuctionality for it. Just wondering if there's been anything new, or if it's still the same. You may remember I tried to work out a solution a little while back using the xmacro utility. It didn't work perfectly, but Thomas Tretzmller reported success with xnee instead of xmacro. I haven't had time to test his solution, I'll get back to the list when I do. In short, it's about using a command line tool triggered from bbkeys to emulate the mouse activity necessary to popup the Blackbox menu. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Your Attention Please
On Sun, 29 May 2005 15:49:17 -0500 Michael Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's the deal. Whenever I tell somebody that I use blackbox they inevitably assume that I use it because I have to. People seem to think that because I run a minimal wm without Gnome or KDE that I'm running an old PII with 128mb RAM or something similarly crappy. This is simply not the case. So I'm wondering what kind of hardware the average blackbox user is running on. CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ (1533 MHz) RAM: 256 MB DDR VID: GeForce2 MX, 32 MB May I point out, after seeing the responses you got, that you're probably not going to find very high specs in the Blackbox crowd. The very same line of thinking that made them choose Blackbox will keep them from upgrading just because it's cool. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: windows without decorations
On Fri, 20 May 2005 23:11:39 -0400 Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's actually not defined in the EWMH spec, but in the older ICCCM spec. _MOTIF_WM_HINTS, iirc. And may I add, FWIW, tha EWMH expands upon ICCCM, it doesn't replace it. ICCCM is still very much useful. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: windows without decorations
On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:09:44 +0200 James Dominy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How, using Xlib only, do I specify to blackbox that I don't want a particular window decorated. This is for the purposes of popping up a tooltip window. I've chacked through the EMWH spec but I don't see anything that quite matches what I want. Should I be using the _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE hint? Is this a protocol specification? Something else? I've been hitting my head against a wall here for quite some time... I know, personal failure I never ask for help. I should have a sign around my neck saying confront me if I don't ask for help. Try looking at the source of bbkeys, see what it does when it processes the toggleDecorations command. Blackbox has to deal with every known kind of window so I expect it's harder to find the answer in _its_ code. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Solved... How do I stop Firefox window moving when losing focus?
On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:18:32 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that I launched Firefox 1152 x 800 pixels in an 1152 x 864 session. Apparently, setting Firefox's width equal to the screen width is a bad idea. There are also the window borders in addition to that. I noticed that when I grabbed a bottom corner to resize Firefox, Blackbox's width display said 2147483648 x 800 pixels!!! If I slid it off the side of the screen and slid it back in (I'm running with only 1 page) I ended up with a Firefox window that was 2 X 800 pixels !!! And I couldn't restore it to normal. Once I changed the launcher to start Firefox 1142 x 800, all this bad behaviour went away. And Firefox stopped centring itself on the screen everytime it gained/lost focus. This might be worth a FAQ entry. Rather worth a bug report at this point. Something is wrong and it should be filed so it's taken into account and (hopefully) fixed. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Posting helper apps
On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:32:39 +0200 James Dominy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: current workspace, or iconified. Is there a repository for blackbox helper apps like this somewhere, where I could post the code? It's very There's bbtools, but I don't recall the address. It's posted here though: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxAddons/Software There's also dockapps.org. Since your app loads in the slit and matches the 64x64 size I think it qualifies as a dockapp. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: How do I stop Firefox window moving when losing focus?
On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:27:01 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 05:01:40PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 10:49:06AM +0300, Ciprian Popovici wrote Is it a recent Firefox? I've seen some wacky stuff in older versions, but nothing in the latest ones. That was 1.03. I checked again today, and the 1.04 (security) update is available now, along with a few other updates. I've got a meeting to go to tonight. I'll fire up the update process, which should be finished when I get home tonight. Then I'll let you know if 1.04 has the same problem. Same thing happens with 1.04. I now know another way to force this move. Set Firefox window to 1152x800. This leaves enough space to see fbpanel at the bottom. Click on Help = About in Firefox (that's how I know it's 1.04), and then the OK button. Firefox centres on the screen, and leaves a few pixels on the top, and a few pixels of the Firefox status bar are covered by fbpanel (because I've set fbpanel to always-on-top). I can't seem to reproduce such behaviour with Firefox. Perhaps it has to do with the Blackbox window placement options? What are you using? I have cascade placement and ignore shaded windows. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Blackbox menu via keyboard
Quoting Ciprian Popovici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: #!/bin/sh echo -e MotionNotify 1023 350\nButtonPress 3\nButtonRelease 3 |\ xmacroplay :0.0 [...] Only one little annoyance: it works great when run from a terminal. BUT when run from bbkeys, either directly or via a shell script, it will popup the menu but the keys will still be bound to the last active window. I think it needs some kind of X presence in order to work correctly. bbkeys runs and executes commands in the background, on a text console. If I run the above command from an open aterm, or if I user `aterm -e` from bbkeys, it works as expected. Not sure how to force that X presence. Perhaps if I could find a tool that will open an invisible X window briefly just for the purpose of executing a command... -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: How do I stop Firefox window moving when losing focus?
Quoting Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: wacky syntax. Anyways, I move Firefox to the top of the screen and fbpanel is at the bottom of the screen, so they don't overlap. Between the two of them, they fill the screen. However, when I click on fbpanel to bring xterm to the top, the Firefox Window cetres itself on the screen. This leaves approx 32 pixels at the top, and 32 pixels at the bottom. Actually, it seems that most times I switch away from Firefox, this happens, but this is the most reliable, 100% repeatable sequence. Is it a recent Firefox? I've seen some wacky stuff in older versions, but nothing in the latest ones. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Blackbox menu via keyboard
I figured out a trick to pop up the Blackbox via keyboard. It involves using the xmacro tool pack, which you can get here: http://xmacro.sourceforge.net/ ...or from your distro's package manager. It contains a command line tool called `xmacroplay` which can be used in the following delightful way: #!/bin/sh echo -e MotionNotify 1023 350\nButtonPress 3\nButtonRelease 3 |\ xmacroplay :0.0 Replace the target coordinates and X server ID as needed. I thought it would be a safe bet to target the middle of the right-hand screen edge on a 1024x768 resolution. The above will move the mouse pointer there, then push and release the right mouse button. Only one little annoyance: it works great when run from a terminal. BUT when run from bbkeys, either directly or via a shell script, it will popup the menu but the keys will still be bound to the last active window. If anybody can figure out why this happens or how to fix it, I'm guessing we'd be making a lot of people happy. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Snapping between Windows?
Quoting Daniel Röder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: is it possible to enable snapping between windows, not only between slit and windows? I read something about that in the documentation, but I find no clue how to enable it. You need to get Blackbox from CVS, support for window snap was added after 0.70 was released. Only had edge snap in 0.70. See this for help: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxCVS After you install it, edit your rc file and set the snap amounts to non-zero to enable it. IIRC, you have session.edgeSnapThreshold and session.windowSnapThreshold. Edge means the screen edges (well, struts really, which also means panels, slit, toolbar, etc.). -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: NextWindowRegardlessOfWhetherItsIconifiedOrNot (please)
Quoting Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now that I finally have the latest bbkeys key bindings working, I notice that there is a next and previous window key binding for current and all workspaces. Am I missing something, or is bbkeys missing a binding to cycle through all running programs? I'd like a list that includes all windows, and allows me to raise them, even iconified ones. I think there's a small policy problem here ie. going against the standard -kind of thing. Iconified windows, by definition, are not supposed to show in the task list. The whole point of iconifying is to get windows out of the way as much as possible. There's no minimization per-se in X, only shading and iconification. The closest thing to minimization (as you see it in Windows, for example) would be send-to-bottom, I suppose, but that's not a perfect match either. I don't recall if bbkeys implements an option allowing you to cycle iconified windows too. I doubt it, but since I never needed this I may be wrong. I can suggest another approach which I like a lot: fbpanel. I've recently discovered that I can configure it to hold 2 taskbars at the same time, one of which shows regular windows (icon+text) and the other showing iconified windows (icon only). It's a very neat feature, kind of like having minimize to tray for any window. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: What's the current bbconf ?
On Sun, 8 May 2005 00:15:47 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a new version of bbconf? And who is the appropriate person to ask for an update? Try CVS. There are rumors it works rather well. The author is Jason vanRijn Kasper, he's on this list as well, perhaps he can tell you more. Just one more wishlist item. Is there a command to exit blackbox via bbkeys? Bind a shortcut to `killall blackbox`. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: problems with 0.70
On Sun, 1 May 2005 01:13:31 -0400 Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've just updated to 0.70 have a few problems: (1) the background color appears correctly as green, then almost immediately changes to slate grey; Where do you set the green? I hope it's not in your ~/.xinitrc. The background command is overwritten by the rootCommand in the loaded style, which in turn is superseeded by the session.rootCommand directive in your Blackbox rc file. (2) following a previous thread, i downloaded the CVS version of Bbpager, but it refuses to appear vertically i can't change workspace by clicking; Frankly, I gave up on bbpager from CVS, it seems to behave rather strangely in many situations which are 0.70 related. (3) Bbkeys doesn't seem to be working, so the only way to change workspace is via the mouse wheel, which moves opposite to what one would expect; You also need bbkeys from CVS, or the newly released 0.9.x version. You could also use the toolbar for navigating workspaces. There's a patch on the tracker which inverts the mouse wheel workspace change: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1183577group_id=40696atid=428682 (4) at first, 'startx' crashed, as Blackbox expected a Fluxbox background: i've deleted a line from the default ~/.blackboxrc to get around this. By default blackboxrc you probably mean a 0.65 rc? Things have changed a bit for 0.70. What line was that which made it crash? Blackbox 0.70 isn't usable as things stand, but while KDE is ok, i much prefer the elegance i experienced with Blackbox 0.65 . any suggestions to get me back there are welcome. Just take a moment to migrate to 0.70 properly. It's been very usable for almost a year now, if I dare say so. Also, 0.70 can use lots of EWMH tools, see this page: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxAddons/Software -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: problems with 0.70
On Sun, 1 May 2005 17:31:13 -0400 Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 050501 Ciprian Popovici wrote: The background cmd is overwritten by the rootCommand in the loaded style, which in turn is superseded by the session.rootCommand directive in your Blackbox rc file. ... but i don't see anything called 'session.rootCommand' in 'man blackbox'. i tried -- without success -- each of session.rootCommand: bsetroot -solid yellowgreen session.rootCommand: yellowgreen it works to set the background by hand from the configure line in the menu, but it isn't saved when i restart Blackbox. That's strange, it doesn't work for me either, and I'm running one of the latest CVS. IIRC, this option made it into CVS. We'll have to ask Brad about it. does that mean there's no usable workspace pager for 0.70 ? (!) if so, that's a show-stopper for me. I don't know about pagers that load in the slit. That particular breed may indeed be hard to locate. But there are many pagers that work: gnome- panel's pager, fbpanel's pager, rox-pager, kpager. Look for ewmh pager or netwm pager on Google, FreshMeat or SourceForge and you should find many. There's a patch on the tracker which inverts the mouse wheel workspace change: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1183577group_id=40696atid=428682 sorry, you've lost me: what is the tracker how would i apply the patch ? the present direction is quite counter-intuitive: the wheel should scroll down workspaces as it does down a WWW document. surely at least, there needs to be a configure option. The tracker is part of the SourceForge services for the hosting of the Blackbox project. See the above page (note that the URL wrapped). There's a download link towards the end. Grab a source package for Blackbox, either CVS or 0.70 stable. Unpack, go under the main dir. Run this: patch -F100 -p1 /path/to/patch/file See this for installing source: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxDocumentation/CompilingBlackbox (4) at first, 'startx' crashed, as Blackbox expected a Fluxbox background: i've deleted a line from the default ~/.blackboxrc to get around this. By default blackboxrc you probably mean a 0.65 rc? it was when i started 0.70 without changing ~/.blackboxrc : session.styleFile: /usr/share/commonbox/styles/AlmostX that's the line i deleted, after which Blackbox started. previously, the system said: blackbox: managing screen 0 using TrueColor visual 0x23, depth 24 /home/purslow/.fluxbox/backgrounds/AlmostX-0.5.jpg does not exist /home/purslow/.xinitrc : line 5 : 7744 Aborted blackbox Rather strange. I'll try to reproduce the missing background image issue. If my Blackbox doesn't crash it may mean it's been fixed and will surface in the next stable version. Just FYI, the style syntax and features have changed quite a bit from 0.65, and are not 100% compatible with Fluxbox styles anymore. Blackbox 0.70+ will try to import 0.65 and Fluxbox styles to some extent, with various degrees of success, but it doesn't pull it off perfectly sometimes. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Patch OldStyleResize
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:21:59 +0200 Sascha Hdepohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] bremen.de wrote: i have thought about this for some time (actually i implemented the toggle just days after 0.70 was released) and now for me i am convinced that the old style is simpler and faster to work with. You just dont have do care about which quadrant of a window you hit, hold alt and left-mouse to move the window and switch to right-mouse to adjust the windows size. This feature was the first in blackbox i got used to and which convinced me off blackbox being the windowmanager i was searching for. There seem to be 2 different issues here, sorry I misunderstood. Regarding handling, I can understand why some people would like the old style better. The new style (quadrant-sensitive) has its merits too. An option makes sense. Regarding opaque vs transparent resize, I can't see why anybody would wish for transparent. Opaque allows the application contained in the window to run while the window is resized. Transparent freezes the application during this time. But there's already an option for that, so the point is moot anyway. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Turning off XY screen position coordinates
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:53:41 -0500 Tony Thedford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just begun to use Blackbox, have read through the docs src, but didn't locate any info about enabling/disabling the x-y screen position coordinates. Does anyone know if the screen coordinates can be disabled in one of the config files or some other way? The option doesn't seem to be available. I posted a patch that implements this. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1193013group_id=40696atid=428682 You'll need to apply it to CVS. No idea if and when it will make it into CVS. After applying, use session.showGeometry: False in the Blackbox rc file, or use the config menu. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: WM termination
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:13:24 -0500 Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, yeah, forgot to mention: if it does use SIGKILL, you're out of luck as far as just intercepting the signal is concerned, since SIGKILL isn't allowed to be stopped- but by that same token, it's not supposed to be used as the first try at killing a process. Anyway, the idea of a script to clean up and kill blackbox instead of just exiting sounds like it might be the best option- this might be something worth incorporating into the main sources. Perhaps a Shutdown option as opposed to just Exit; killing blackbox to end the X session is probably a fairly common operation- I suppose the question is, can we consider sending a term/hup signal as part of blackbox's purpose of managing windows? I'm not sure about that. AFAIK, X was designed around a watched application, whose termination tells X to stop. I'm not even sure if X actually kills apps itself or them dying is part of the x libs, as a reaction to X being dead. Perhaps there's some options about this in the X man pages? Returning to Dave's problem: basically you need Sylpheed to die nicely, right? I had the same issue when I pressed the power button; acpid intercepts that and runs a script. That script would run poweroff directly. I've inserted the following to allow Sylpheed to die nicely: killall sylpheed sleep 1 Instead of running blackbox directly from your .xinitrc, run a script such as this: exec myscript.sh and myscript.sh being: #!/bin/sh blackbox killall sylpheed sleep 1 -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: WM termination
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:37:34 -0600 Dave Serls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X 101: What signal is sent to applications when the window manager terminates normally? SIGTERM? Is any time given between the signal and the master process terminating? Asking because sylpheed terminates cleanly when done by a console SIGTERM, but not when I terminate blackbox. This leaves corrupt mbox meta data. Thanks for any info (if I can grok it). I suspect it doesn't have to do directly with the window manager. When the wm dies, X is the one that terminates applications. I believe you can devise a simple shell script using the `trap` Bash builtin command to determine what signal it receives. Although if you say Sylpheed seems to die a messy death, a SIGKILL may already be suspected. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: PixmapCache: maximum size exceeded
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:23:07 +0200 Jukka Salmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I'm using the latest sources from CVS. There has not yet been a formal release for Blackbox 0.70.0, so it's probably best to just wait... I meant a formal release for bbpager. Blackbox does have a 0.70 stable and official version out. It's name has changed to ~/.bbtools/bbpager.rc. I'm using the default file. If you're using Blackbox 0.70 or CVS, and bbpager CVS, then this could be a bug and we can start debugging with you detailing just how exactly is bbpager misbehaving. The earlier description was not very clear for me I'm afraid. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: 0.70 and mplayer fullscreen toggle SOLVED
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:25:56 -0500 Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread helped me better my understand of the problem, so I thought I'd share my results. This little beauty is caused by the fact that Blackbox 0.70.0 tries to obey both the aspect hints and the fullscreen hints (that's why it works if you watch a 4:3 film). So, anyway, wrote a fairly simple patch against MPlayer CVS that fixes this. You can grab it at http://quijibo.physics.tamu.edu/~pdbogen/fixforblackbox070.diff . Should I take it that it the issue is with MPlayer and not with Blackbox? Can you explain how the patch solves the problem, for those of us who are not experienced enough in C++ or/and MPlayer code? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: PixmapCache: maximum size exceeded
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:10:15 +0200 Jukka Salmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Blackbox 0.70.0 and the latest CVS version of bbpager on NetBSD. When starting bbpager from ~/.xinitrc, I get bt::PixmapCache: maximum size (2048 kb) exceeded bt::PixmapCache: current size: 17408 kb bt::PixmapCache: maximum size (2048 kb) exceeded bt::PixmapCache: current size: 17408 kb [...] most of the time (but not always...). The first part is nothing to worry about. Blackbox internally limits the pixmap cache to 2 MB and periodically refreshes it by discarding the oldest pixmaps. The message is purely informative; it reports how big the cache limit is, that it was passed, and how much data was discarded so far. It has nothing to do with bbpager. If this happens, bbpager seems to run, but I almost can't see it: the pager is very small (in width; height is normal). As a workaround, I start bbpager from ~/.xinitrc with ( sleep 1; bbpager ) When started like this, I've never seen the problem described above. First of all, make sure you use the bbpager pulled from CVS. I'm not sure if there was a formal release for a bbpager that will work with Blackbox 0.70+. Second, check your bbpager configuration in ~/.bbtools/bbpager.bb (IIRC). -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Windowframe on poedit
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:00:23 +0200 Jens Krner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 12:40:46AM -0500, Michael Langley wrote: Jesus H that was a rather large attachment. Oops, sorry, wrong picture. Should've been the sized pic of what I sent. I use dyndns.org and my box is not always online but I promise the next time... http://koerner.homelinux.net/fotos/poedit.sized.png OK, so you don't have resize grips. Perhaps poedit doesn't like to be resized? But then again you wouldn't have a maximize button if it didn't. I'll get poedit and try myself (gave me some trouble last time I installed it). You can probably file a bug report and attack that picture. What poedit version is it? I'm guessing you compiled against wxgtk linked with GTK v1 from the picture? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Windowframe on poedit
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:58:45 +0200 Jens Krner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: solved that problem by purging the whole thing :[ I got better things to do instead of playing with applications on a sunday. Xemacs does the same translation without that crab window -- back to the roots =:) Can't blame you there. Just tried a poedit + wxGTK combo and failed miserably. I will try again, I seem to need a 2.5.x release of wxGTK. FWIW, in order to obtain a poEdit built with GTK v2, your wxGTK needs to be built with GTK v2. But as you said, I should be out biking on a nice Sunday like this, which is what I'll do. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: .xinitrc/.xsession file fails to get loaded
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:57:41 +0100 Simon Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that when I run a GNOME/GTK+ program in Blackbox, it uses the ugly default GTK+ theme. If I start gnome-theme-manager and select a theme and then restart the program, it uses that theme and all is good. However, as soon as I logout and back in again it reverts to the default again. I was told that having gnome-settings-daemon running would store the theme settings across sessions. You need a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file for GTK+ v2 apps and a ~/.gtkrc file for GTK+ v1. Basically they are a copy of the gtkrc file found in that particular theme's directory, with some stuff adapted for local use. So you need a tool that produces and adapts these gtkrc files. The best is probably the Control Panel (or whatever it's called in Gnome). There are 3rd party tools, perhaps others can suggest their favorite. I also have a couple of Bash scripts that can produce them for you, if you don't mind switching GTK+ themes from the console and no preview. Contact me privately (anybody) if you want them, this is not exactly a Blackbox issue anymore. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: problem with bb and one of my applications
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:17:10 -0600 Kevin Tomasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of my applications, synplify_pro, behave badly while running under bb. it renders the parent window inoperable, even though running background, and the application will not exit. i have to go to another window and kill -9 to get rid of it. a lot of the applications other buttons seem to work OK. i switch to TWM and everything is fine. is there any switches/debug tools to figure out what is going on? Can you try under other window managers? Perhaps kwm or metacity? I'm not sure twm contains the latest EWMH stuff. Does Blackbox behave strangely too or just your app? You can probably debug your application using command line tools that report the state of EWMH flags for that window. Stuff like xwininfo or wmctrl, perhaps others can suggest more. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: unfocused windows when switching workspaces
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:48:02 -0500 Joey Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using blackbox 0.70.0, and I have Focus Last Window on Workspace enabled. I'm noticing some strange behavior with focused/unfocused windows when switching workspaces. It would be for the best to open a bug on the tracker and paste all your findings there. It helps Brad to have bugs neatly aligned and documented. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=40696atid=428680 -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: icon submenu
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:19:21 -0600 Kevin Tomasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the easiest way to bring up the icon submenu with a single click or keystroke? With the mouse, I do this: take the pointer hard to right against the right screen edge; middle click; lower the pointer slightly; there you are. With 0.65 you could tear off the iconified window menu and leave it hanging around, but 0.70 hasn't reimplemented tear-off menus. As a visual alternative, I use fbpanel, which lets you see the iconified windows all the time in the form of a taskbar. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: expected or unexpected warning messages
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:14:45 -0600 Kevin Tomasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am getting the following message whena new window pops up. bt::PixmapCache: maximum size (2048 kb) exceeded bt::PixmapCache: current size: 3046 kb is this something to be concerned with?? No. Blackbox limits the texture cache to a fixed, hardcoded, limit (2 MB), and reports when it fills up. It's purely an informative message. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: big fat title bars, no text
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:04:55 -0500 Adam Klaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am having this problem. I have been trying some styles that utilize the artwiz fonts. I have been beating my brain over this and I am absolutely sure that the fonts have been installed correctly. I can see all of the artwiz fonts in xfontsel and I can also open up an xterm that uses the fonts (i.e. xterm -fn mints-strong) and that works too, but if I try and use that style I get the big fat title bars and no text. If anyone has any idea on this it would be much appreciated. I am using: Send me that style. I can't reproduce the problem with just the fonts, perhaps the style has something special (it happened on another occasion too). -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: linux format
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:23:06 + Robert Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that the latest linux format mag (for April) has a review of blackbox - and other minimalist window managers - and inevitably it mentions 0.65 as the latest release - well I guess it was at the printers when 0.70 was announced. Hence it mentions hackedbox for getting rid of the toolbar. Reasonable writeup though I did wonder at 'no plans to add functionality' I'd have thought there were some new features in 0.70 The author is the convenor of our local LUG so I've sent him an email... Bad timing, that's all. I imagine takes some time to get a magazine issue ready, and once you're comitted it's too late. The no plans to add functionality bit I think was used some time ago (by Brad?) IIRC it was used in the sense no functionality above the strict necessities, but I don't know how it was interpreted in the article. Was it taken out of context, as in doesn't plan to move past 0.65 anymore? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: bbmail quandary
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:05:10 -0700 Dave Serls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just can't determine why bbmail is NOT reading the configuration file at $HOME/.bbtools/bbmail.bb for all other users here except me. I'm initalizing via .xsession, others are defaulting to the script called from /etc/X11/wmsession.d I'm without clue on this. Start with the basics, compare the scripts and environment for yourself and for the others. Dump the contents of `set` somewhere for different persons, see what differs. Maybe $HOME takes a strange value for instance. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Blackbox Gentoo
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:28:46 -0800 Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 01:09:37PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some good news from Gentoo: yesterday, i did my weekly system update found among the packages which had been upgraded 'bbrun' (now 1.6 ); i emerged it it seems to be working ok. this suggests that the new maintainer at Gentoo is indeed positively supporting Blackbox. You know, I've been meaning to ask this for a couple of weeks... why does anyone care whether or not Gentoo gets their head out of their collective ass regarding shipping blackbox or not? Gentoobies are all about version churn. It's not really about pushing Blackbox to Gentoo as it is about it not being thrown out of the Gentoo software base for the wrong reasons. That's how I perceived this. I also think there's no need for Blackbox evangelism, if that's what you meant. Only certain people really like using Blackbox, there's no need to force it on the others. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: bbkeys doens't maximse
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:58:52 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'ld say it's important for Blackbox to make a good public announcement when 0.70 is finally ready for the big time, so that distros will adopt it. it would also help both users distro managers, if Blackbox its many disparate bits could be seen all together, preferably with a neat WWW site describing it properly. i know it takes work might volunteer to do a bit myself, but my first impression of Blackbox was of deserted premises ... If it's anything you think the website is lacking let's discuss it. Blackbox development has its very slow days which sometimes amount to months, that will never change. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: bb changing workspace (rather than me!)
Quoting Robert Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not sure whether this last one is another aspect - with lbreakout2 running in full screen, I'm seeing focus suddenly being lost, the window then goes to being non-full-screen (and I drop the ball :-() I think in this particular case it has to do with lbreakout2. I talked with the author a while back and he said lbreakout2 should do something that prevented other windows from hindering its full screen. Dunno if he implemented it since. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: bug with frameWidth?
Quoting Russ Burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all. running blackbox/bbkeys/bbpager all from CVS today and I noticed a difference from teh old 0.65.0 behavior. I'm used to seeing a thin white border around my windows that doesn't seem to be there anymore. changing the relevant-looking window.frameWidth parameter in the style doesn't seem to change anything (nor does the 0.6x compatibilty param frameWidth). as a result the windows tend to get lost when they're the same color as the background (or transparent). is this intentional or have I found a bug? The frame suffered some modifications in 0.70. See README.styles in the package. What you're looking for now is window.frame, to which you can apply color, border and all kinds of things. FYI, in 0.70 the frame doesn't go all around the client anymore, it only shows on the left/right sides of the window. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: bb changing workspace (rather than me!)
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:27:04 + Robert Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this annother configuration possibility, it looks as if 'focus new windows' is responsible - though in both those cases - it doesn't look like a new window? Yeah, I got this too with already existing windows, such as Gaim chat windows. They seem to do something to draw attention to themselves. :) You saying that disabling focus new windows prevents both new windows and already existing windows from calling workspace focus? Perhaps a separate option would be in order, but someone more knowledgeable should tell us if the events are indeed different. If so, we could log a request. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: 0.70 and mplayer fullscreen toggle SOLVED
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:49:00 +0200 Ciprian Popovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The problem is *definately* mplayer, not the window manager. I wish I'd saved the reference to the mplayer-dev posting that described the fault. I believe. As I told Brad, other apps seem to go fullscreen properly, so all evidence indicates it's mplayer's fault. I'll grab another version and report back. Well, pre6a works fine, but the strange thing is that pre5 now works as well. I don't know what I could have done to make it work properly. This is very strange, but since I moved to pre6a anyway... I guess it doesn't matter anymore. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: making scroll mouse an option
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:40:10 -0600 Michael Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, that's my mouse wheel patch. I didn't know it had made it into Gentoo. The patch was accepted a few weeks ago and I saw some mention of mouse wheel configurability making it into cvs so it will probably show up in 0.7x sooner or later. I also have another version of that patch for 7 button mice so you can change workspaces with buttons 6 and I could throw that on the sourceforge site if anybody is interested. That explains it. Well it can't hurt to put it there, it will make things easier for Brad. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: making scroll mouse an option
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:19:13 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 050128 Bradley T Hughes wrote: Sean Perry wrote: The scroll mouse for workspace changing is not making me happy. I am about to make it a toggle option in the Blackbox configure menu. Any opposed? Nope :) hey, not so fast (smile)! i use the mouse wheel to change desktops shade via the toolbar: to me, it's a basic feature of Blackbox. my desktop menu contains the path Configure - Configure - Mouse wheel - Changes workspace (X) Changes focus Reverse scroll so it's already a toggle AFAICS : just what do you propose to change ? Umm, what desktop menu is that? My Blackbox config menu from 0.70 doesn't have anything about mouse wheel. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Proposed style syntax changes
Quoting Bradley T. Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ciprian Popovici wrote: I think that covers it... I had a crazy idea the other night in my sleep: adding a checkered texture which would work like interlaced, except that it would render a checkered looking textures instead of stripy :) Nice. I may have to plead ignorance in regard to the patch if we go with this. I can change some names in the code, but prefering color1+2 in certain cases and backgroundColor in others may be over my head. This should be fairly straight forward... it's just changing bt::Texture::textureResource() (or whatever it's called) to look up the right names. I'll look into it, see what comes out, that's if you don't beat me to it. To me, foreground is generic enough. We use it not only for various pictures (close, maximize, iconify, arrows), we also use it for drawing menu separators. In the future, we may have other things that need to be drawn, and using the foreground color makes sense to me. Speaking of separators, how about a little more space around them? Just a few more pixels. I think they are excessively short right now, they look almost like an underline for the above text. Something else: you may have noticed a recent request on the tracker, related to the window frames. I had no idea 0.70 still has frames, does it? The poster even provided a screenshot showing frames that unlike 0.65 are drawn exclusively on the sides of the windows. If there are still frames, his request makes sense: ability to set different colors for the focused and unfocused window frames. And since you're in the mood for style changes, I'll ask your opinion on one last thing: embossed and shadowed texts. This can be easily worked out by drawing texts twice or three times, with different colors. Draw it once, it looks like today. Draw it twice, second time below and slightly to the left and down with darker color, looks like a shadow. Draw it three times, second like a shadow, third up and to the left, it can look like embossing or carving, depending on the colors. I don't want to put it in just yet, it may be some work deciding on style resource names and so on. I may work on this myself whenever I get the time. But what I wanted to know is whether this falls too much in the eye-candy category. It definitely is purely a cosmetic gimmick. Would it impact Blackbox performance negatively? The Blackbox motto is be fast, after all. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: 0.70 and mplayer fullscreen toggle SOLVED
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:44:03 +0100 Bradley T Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciprian Popovici wrote: [snip] These defaults result in defective fullscreen attempts (the missing bottom quarter I described). Who's around that uses the FULLSCREEN hint and messes with mplayer? I'm thinking it's the root window... I may have to install mplayer to see what is going on... Blackbox 0.70.0rc (or cvs) does really well with fullscreen windows like FireFox, Konqueror, etc. Yeah, tvtime also doesn't have any problems. May have something to do with mplayer. Now that you've mentioned it I noticed a fullscreen tvtime will behave just as I wish mplayer did. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: 0.70 and mplayer fullscreen toggle SOLVED
Quoting Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The problem is *definately* mplayer, not the window manager. I wish I'd saved the reference to the mplayer-dev posting that described the fault. I believe. As I told Brad, other apps seem to go fullscreen properly, so all evidence indicates it's mplayer's fault. I'll grab another version and report back. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Proposed style syntax changes
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:07:09 +0100 Bradley T. Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is not too bad, provided we change the names for the gradient colors (i.e. color1 and color2 instead of color and colorTo) That might be even better. So background for solid and color1 and 2 for interlaced and gradients (am I forgetting something?) I may have to plead ignorance in regard to the patch if we go with this. I can change some names in the code, but prefering color1+2 in certain cases and backgroundColor in others may be over my head. I don't really like this change. I like foregroundColor better, which is why I changed it to that :) I suspected you like it. Did you have some future development in mind for this? I still think foreground is too generic; after all, text is foreground too. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: newcomer's queries: follow-up
Quoting Marcin Cylke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: W dniu Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:43:20 +0200 Ciprian Popovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisales: well, if Bbconf has been abandoned, perhaps you could adopt it ? It would be ok if it didn't involve learning C... :) Sounds as a very good idea to use the existing bbconf code. Who should I contact to ask whether it is possible to use the code or not? Last time I checked, bbconf was released under GPL v2 so you can go right ahead and hack on it. See http://bbconf.sourceforge.net/. Last release is almost 2yr old, so it's for Blackbox 0.65 and the old bbkeys. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
*font syntax can lead to crash
If you specify an improper fontconfig font handle, such as just Verdana instead of Verdana-10, it will make Blackbox crash. Can anyone confirm this with a Blackbox 0.70 compiled with xft? Brad, does Blackbox depend on fontconfig now? What font-selection syntaxes are valid for *font style directives? The above seems to suggest a fallback is failing somewhere. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Latest CVS code slit/gkrellm behavior is odd
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:22:20 +0100 Bradley T Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't use gkrellm, so I'm just guessing, but it seems like gkrellm is not being put into the slit (since it's not visible on all workspaces). Last time I used gkrellm (before I discovered dockapps), it needed a special parameter to go into the slit. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: newcomer's queries: follow-up
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:00:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: however, i can't get the slit to appear: it doesn't seem to be present. How do you try to make it appear? It only appears when you load something in it, therefore I'm guessing you haven't managed that just yet. You said you were using a 0.65, right? Try getting a dockapp and running it. Try wmcpuload, for example. this might be something done by Gentoo, whose developers were complaining that Blackbox was ancient, unmaintained prone to multiple bugs (i've tried to educate them they seem to have backed off for now). Thay may have had some points in regard to 0.65, although I may argue with at least some. No excuse with 0.70 as far as I am concerned. i can live without the slit, but might i suggest a new feature ? a config option to prohibit windows from covering margins around the screen, which would allow me to define a 35 pixel margin down the left edge. There's already a standard in EWMH, describing what is referred to as struts. It says that windows can reserve portions of the screen so as other windows try not to cover them. This is what all the panel-like applications (including the RoX bar, fbpanel, the Blackbox slit and toolbar) do. This includes KDE and Gnome such applications. So give the slit another try, it may get you what you want and then some bonus. The slit is very important IMO. Too bad newer desktop environments ignore the power of dockapps and abandon the good old docks in favour of complicated panels with applets and whatnot. I once tried to get some dockapps going using a KDE environment. It was very hard finding a standalone slit-like application that would swallow dockapps, and the outcome was quite unsatisfactory. As I said back then too, we take Blackbox for granted and don't even realise what the poor users of other window managers have to do to survive. :) in the course of my fine-tuning i've found several apparent bugs: (1) Blackbox crashes when in ~/.blackboxrc i make session.screen0.slit.onTop: True it says it can't find an Aqui theme, but i'm using Almost-X ; 0.65, right? Even if it's a bug, it won't be fixed. I believe the official stand for 0.65 is all hands, abandon ship. Better intensify your lobby for pushing 0.70 into Gentoo. (2) in Bbconf, 'Alt-key' doesn't work for key assignments; (3) 'apply' in Bbconf doesn't actually apply till Bbconf exits; Is bbconf still around? Does anybody have any word from the author? It may very well be an abandoned application by now. I may grow frustrated enough one of these days to put together a graphical Blackbox configurator, with the possible downside that it would be written in PHP-GTK. (4) when i start Bbpager from the desktop menu, it goes where i want it, ie the bottom left corner as defined in ~/.bbtools/bbpager.bb , but when i use 'restart' in the menu, the pager starts at top left. Try using bbpager -w, see if it goes into the slit, and then configure the slit to go wherever you want. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: newcomer's queries: follow-up
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:11:15 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 050124 Ciprian Popovici wrote: I may grow frustrated enough one of these days to put together a graphical Blackbox configurator, with the possible downside that it would be written in PHP-GTK. well, if Bbconf has been abandoned, perhaps you could adopt it ? It would be ok if it didn't involve learning C... :) -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Blackbox 0.70.0 Release Candidate now available.
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:19:13 +0100 Bradley T Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he's looking more for something that is runtime evaluated, so that he can have it in his own menu, not something put into the default menu (which some people may not use). Perhaps it would be a (good?) idea to have a place where various current settings for Blackbox are reported. The obvious place is the [config] menu. What I feel is sorely missed is the Blackbox version and the currently selected style. Perhaps a submenu called reporting, with disabled entries, which would list such values? Or perhaps a menu popup akin to an about window? I feel it's important to bring Blackbox as far to the desktop as possible. Something like this would end any need for a user to go have a look at the rc, which some newbies don't find particularly straightforward practice for a desktop. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Blackbox 0.70.0 Release Candidate now available.
Quoting Bradley T Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ciprian Popovici wrote: I see that the custom window titlebar layout patch hasn't made it into the official code yet, what are your feelings on it? I definately want to do it, I just haven't added it. Release early, Oh ok, I just wanted to know if it's worth taking the time to update the patch to apply against the RC. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: iconify and rais with fbpanel
It happens to me too. We should try the latest fbpanel with some other window managers too, such as a recent metacity, or kwin from KDE3. fbpanel has had a history of problems, which were supposedly fixed recently. Brad, can there be any claim, as far as 0.70 RC+ is concerned, that Blackbox is doing something different than one of the other wm's above would? Anyway, we should test with some other wm's before we decide if it's a Blackbox or a fbpanel problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: iconify and rais with fbpanel
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:14:44 +0100 Bradley T Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciprian Popovici wrote: Brad, can there be any claim, as far as 0.70 RC+ is concerned, that Blackbox is doing something different than one of the other wm's above would? i can't parse that :) you're basically wanting me to confirm that blackbox is not some other window manager, and does its own thing, right? i thought that this was understood :) No no, I meant respecting the NetWM standard. If Blackbox and other wm's and fbpanel would all be implementing it properly we wouldn't have problems, right? Is there room for interpretation in NetWM's take on iconifying windows, or is it a bug in either Blackbox or fbpanel? Can anyone claim that Blackbox is not implementing NetWM properly? This kind of thing used to happen back in ICCCM days IIRC, but NetWM is supposed to be the one to bring them all together. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Blackbox 0.70.0 Release Candidate now available.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:53:50 +0100 Bradley T Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting ready to release this thing :) I've attached the release notes and change log for completeness. I see that the custom window titlebar layout patch hasn't made it into the official code yet, what are your feelings on it? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: a newcomer has questions
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:56:16 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) how can i preset the background ? i use 'desktop menu - configure - background colors' when i start up, but it is not remembered. Jeremy answered this one. On a side note, that desktop menu must be a Gentoo thing. Blackbox has a dynamic menu entry which expands into config options, but there are no direct style changes possible. (2) can i get windows to respect the 35 pixel margin i use at the left, where i have the pager an empty piece of desktop to click on ? * Load the pager in the slit * From the Blackbox config menu, choose full maximization and turn it OFF (it's the one that Sascha suggested) * Now, applications will avoid covering the edge where the slit is. Using the slit positioning, you can control which edge it is. By auto-hiding the slit, you get a few reserved pixels. By keeping the slit fully visible you get a wider empty strip. Next is just a matter of controlling the thickness of the slit via the things loaded in it. bbpager has a configuration which allows you to control it completely. (3) can i control mouse acceleration ? In addition to what Jeremy suggested, you can also put an xset command in your ~/.xinitrc. (4) i suspect it is a promised feature not yet implemented, but can i change the position order of the titlebar buttons (i prefer to have 'max' 'iconise' at left 'close' on its own at right) ? This has been a long standing issue on the feature list, but has never made it beyond patch level. There used to be a patch for 0.62.x but it doesn't work for 0.65. I've made a patch for 0.70 and it's in the tracker. Brad would know if he intends to add it to main. (5) Open Office has an ugly dark-brown window frame. on KDE, it has a much more attractive appearance IIRC Xfce had something between. can i do anything about it in BB ? You're going to have to provide some pictures. Why just OO? Don't all windows do the same thing? Do KDE or Xfce do something special to OO? (6) can i include the KDE menu in the desktop menu ? The Blackbox menu is static ie. no dynamic entries except for the Blackbox config menu (which is internal) and style chooser entries. There was a dynamic menu entry patch posted on the list and IIRC also on the SF tracker a few weeks back. You would have to patch Blackbox (was it 0.65 or 0.70?), then find a command line conversion utility and put together a script which you then assign to that hacked dynamic entry. Or convert KDE menus to a static form and add them to the Blackbox menu by hand. You may find more information on the website: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ The site is a wiki, so feel free to add questions wherever you need to. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: New mail and list server
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:05:41 -0700 Jamin Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know that the changes referred to here: http://mimir/lurker/message/20040425.060644.ee2a33e6.html Have finally been put into place. Yes, this has been a long time in coming. I've tried to ensure that this change should be fairly seamless for all users. Please let me know if you run into any problems. In that past messaeg you mentioned something about the unsubscription procedure being slightly different. Are the subscribe/unsubscribe addresses presented at the following page still valid? http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/MailingLists Also, is there any lag in messages from the list appearing in the archive? I wanted to link to your announcement but it isn't online yet right now. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html
Re: Small problem with latest CVS
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 05:06:55 -0700 Keith Maika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: windows. I noticed that the entry for XMMS has been reduced from two entries(player playlist editor) to one(player). I like this, but when moving the player over to the second workspace, the playlist editor is still visible on the first workspace, aswell as now being visible on the second workspace. In order to get rid of it, I have to close it and re-open it on the second workspace. I think Brad will say that XMMS is a pet peeve for many window manager developers... :) of the changes which have gone into it. I still think my window-switching menu patch would make a good addition. I'll just keep it around and keep applying it myself. Keep up the good work. As long as you actively maintain the patch so as people can apply it cleanly, my guess is that people who need it will use it. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Toolbar 'Always On Top' Improvement
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:23:08 -0700 Keith Maika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it has an always on top option. The problem that I notices is that if you designate a window as being always on top (an xterm for example) it will cover up the toolbar, even when the toolbar has it's always on top option turned on. Oh, I see. Well in that case please make sure to post the patch to sourceforge.net too: http://sf.net/projects/blackboxwm/ and look for Patches. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Showing all files in a directory in menu
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:00:52 + Owen Franssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to specify a directory in the menu and have it list all the files - or even a filtered selection - as a submenu? That was a very recent patch which allows for dynamic menu entries. But what would listing files accomplish? What would happen when you clicked on them? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pipe menu patch for current CVS
Quoting Chris Grossmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does the command output a menu, a command, or a list of
commands?
If the foremost (which I assume from the context), I would
recommend a new menu entry type.
[pipemenu] (foo) {/path/to/menu_creating_command}
Hey that's a neat idea. Something like [pipe] would make it consistent
with the [stylesdir] or [config] entries.
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Re: pipe menu patch for current CVS
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:19:22 +0200 Ciprian Popovici [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Quoting Chris Grossmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does the command output a menu, a command, or a list of
commands?
If the foremost (which I assume from the context), I would
recommend a new menu entry type.
[pipemenu] (foo) {/path/to/menu_creating_command}
Hey that's a neat idea. Something like [pipe] would make it consistent
with the [stylesdir] or [config] entries.
Here's another idea: once you have dynamic menu parts, do disabled menu
items are encountered more often? I guess this is the second use for [nop]
ever (the 1st and only so far being to emulate separators, at least for
me).
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Running xlock from bbkeys
If I run xlock from xterm, it works properly. If I run it from bbkeys, it goes and locks a virtual console instead of X. Is there a trick I can use to make it acknowledge X? I tried -display but it doesn't seem to be it. Why does it do this from under bbkeys, anyway? P.S.: it's xlock from the xlockmore package, FWIW. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow startup
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:57:48 +0100 Karel Miklav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciprian Popovici wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:48:36 -0500 Matt Rowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try replacing everything in ~/.xinitrc with just an xterm. Let's see if it's X or Blackbox at fault here. Also, once X started with just the xterm, use the xterm to launch blackbox (simply call it). Compare times. The other day I connected my notebook on the network and now every WM starts quicker, even if I reboot disconnected. Gnome is still at 35 secs, Blackbox 20, XOrg+Xterm 6, Blackbox from within XOrg is at 15 and XOrg + WMI start in 6 seconds. Don't know what was wrong, as I'm pretty fresh to networking in FreeBSD, but I'm sattisfied with timigs now. As long as you're happy... but 20 sec startup still doesn't seem all that right to me. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running xlock from bbkeys
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:01:06 +0100 Markus Ottenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciprian Popovici wrote: If I run xlock from xterm, it works properly. If I run it from bbkeys, it goes and locks a virtual console instead of X. Hmmm, I use xlock-5.06-30 (xlockmore as well), and it works for me. Here is my .bbkeysrc: Could it have something to do with using Blackbox 0.65 and the old bbkeys for it? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pipe menu patch for current CVS
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:09:56 +0100 Mads Martin Joergensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've ported the pipe menu patch that was floating around on the internet--AFAIK it originates from PLD Linux, http://www.pld.org.pl/ It enables the use of commands to provide menus, and is especially useful for stuff like xdg-menu. Could you submit it to the SourceForge patch tracker, if you haven't already? How do you use this patch? -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow startup
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:48:36 -0500 Matt Rowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blackbox has _never_ taken anywhere near that long for me, even on my older hardware. what version of blackbox? what version of bbkeys? are you just doing 'startx' or are you running xdm or gdm/kdm/etc? No, xinit from virtual terminal, bb 0.65.0., bbkeys 0.8.6. what's in your .xinitrc (or .xsession, too if you have that)? It was in the first message, just bbkeys and blackbox in there. .xsession may be worth seeing. Also, it's bb 0.65 so it can't be fontconfig at fault (FC support was added in 0.70, right?). Try replacing everything in ~/.xinitrc with just an xterm. Let's see if it's X or Blackbox at fault here. Also, once X started with just the xterm, use the xterm to launch blackbox (simply call it). Compare times. Perhaps it's a strange style or background image at fault. Try hiding all the styles from Blackbox or try some with fewer colors and no background image, just a pattern, see if it changes anything. Try grabbing a precompiled binary from somewhere else or compile one yourself. If you compiled it, what did you use for ./configure? If all else fails, perhaps a strace can be useful. I think it's pretty easy to redirect strace output to a file, but I don't know if it will work from .xinitrc. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reboot Shutdown Menu Items
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:00:11 + Owen Franssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible to set a reboot and or shudown menu item in blackbox?
Of course. You only need to execute poweroff or reboot, they are
console commands. But for regular users to be able to use them I recommend
changing ownership and rights on the halt program (the other two are
symlinks to it).
What I recommend is to set up a group only for users who are supposed to be
able to call poweroff or reboot. You can add it like this:
groupadd shutusers
Then you change ownership on halt:
chown root.shutusers `which halt`
...and rights:
chmod 4750 `which halt`
The above commands, combined, will make sure that only people in the group
shutusers can execute halt, and they will be allowed to because of the
setuid bit set by chmod which makes them equal to root for the brief
purpose of doing so.
Then you add people to shutusers, say, user ciprian. First you see what
groups he's already in:
cat /etc/group|grep ciprian
users:x:100:ciprian
xcdwrite::505:ciprian
Then you rewrite the group membership to include shutusers too:
usermod -G users,xcdwrite,shutusers ciprian
This method is necessary because usermod doesn't have a just add one more
group facility. You need to re-add all the groups everytime.
Finally, here're my menu entries:
[submenu] (Shutdown)
[exec] (Reboot) {reboot}
[exec] (Shutdown) {poweroff}
[end]
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Re: blackbox menu manage EWMH decorate property
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:13:33 -0700 Ryan Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 09:55:53AM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I think it would be useful to have a blackbox submenu that can be used to toggle various window manager properties. I think it already handles most, like sticky, maximized vertical, maximized horizontal, etc. I think it would be good to have a toggle for turning on and off decorations too (maybe from titlebar menu). And from main blackbox menu be able to restore decorations. ideally i think there should be a way to make it so you can hit a modifier key such as alt rightclick to bring up the window menu. that would make decoration- less windows much easier to deal with, if bb had that said feature ;) This has been a dilema for some time. To do this you either have to make Blackbox handle keys itself, or bring bbkeys to a level of integration which wouldn't allow it to be a general purpose keyhandler. From what I understand, navigating through the menus is no problem, since they are windows, so they can use keys just like any other window. The trouble is with the trigger keys, those that bring up the various menus. Who should handle those, bbkeys or Blackbox? -- Ciprian Popovici pgpta9IMgBAC5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Plugins
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:21:01 +0100 Owen Franssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to show all open applications on the curretn desktop on the taskbar as opposed to only the currently active one? I'm not sure what taskbar you mean. Blackbox doesn't have one. I suspect you mean the toolbar. If so, well, the toolbar wasn't meant for anything more than what it already does. Here's a hopefully useful read about the toolbar: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=BlackboxDocumentation%2FBlackboxToolbar -- Ciprian Popovici pgpIalfdkb25n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Plugins
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:44:29 +0100 Owen Franssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to use bb4win on my XP machine and I got used to having a few plugins installed and running in blackbox. But I'm having a hard time finding plugins for the linux version... does anyone know where to find these? I don't think there are any plugins for Blackbox in the sense you mean. bb4win and other Windows shell replacements are quite different from Blackbox. I remember bb4win developers mentioning that they only took a bit of code (the graphics library) from Blackbox when they forked. Perhaps if you tell us what kind of functionality you are trying to achieve we can suggest something. -- Ciprian Popovici pgpmU9hqvgnHb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gmail invites
Quoting Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why are people so excited or encouraged to give these way all the time (as I see on various other lists)? One thing is for sure, it's way offtopic. If anybody has gmail invites to give, use something like this: http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php Anyway, I hope this thread stops soon. I for one am getting fed up with the gmail invites issue popping up on every mailing list. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blackbox 0.70.0beta2
Quoting Robert Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Ciprian Popovici wrote: Quoting Robert Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks as if cvs access is broken - was dead last night and is still dead, I don't know if there's anything that can be done or is it a sourceforge problem? Could be a SF problem. Try the nightlies on the website, I've taken the snapshot by hand this morning, they should be better than nothing. Thanks for the suggestion (and reminder!) though I was trying to see what the differences were between my version and now to see if my bbpager problem might be libbt's responsibility and already fixed But I see that cvs access is up again! Thanks to anyone who was jogged by me into bringing it back to life It's not like we have any control over how well the CVS works, that's SF's job. At most we have priority access to it and we can use that to provide snapshots once in a while. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what can be used to show icons for desktop items?
Quoting Marcin Cylke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:06:09 -0700 (PDT), Jeremy C. Reed wrote: What tools can be used to display icons for Desktop items? There are a few programs that can do this. You can use Rox-Filler, it enables desktop icons, but I don't know the syntax for the icons to be shown. Another choice is fbdesk, that is a fluxbox's desktop icon manager, and the syntax is quite similar, but not the same. For ROX I think it was the pinboard that used icons. Something like rox --pinboard or something like that. You also have to indicate a pinboard profile on the command line. See the command lines or the man page. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blackbox 0.70.0beta2
Quoting Ryan Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3. themes. [...] not that they look bad. is there a conversion process that needs to be done? or is it just the way the new 'render' engine works? 0.70 comes with a style conversion command line tool. I forget what it's called. :/ -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone using xcompmgr and eye candy effects?
Quoting Johannes Winkelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 10:02:02 -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Do anyone of you use xcompmgr with blackbox? To summarize, the eye candy just works, (...) I hope you don't mind, I've added your post as a Q+A to the wiki, in the FAQ: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=BlackboxFAQ%2FNewQuestions -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: looking for background image manager
Quoting Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am looking for a lightweight program that does: - provides a file browser for selecting images - same file browser also displays the selected image in a small window (maybe same window) - once an image is selected be able to set it as the root image Hopefully: - record the currently used image so the program can be ran at startup (via .xinitrc for example) to load the previously chosen root image (and then promptly close). I can code this if needed. Optionally: - some randomizer for choosing next image - show many images (thumbnails) at same time for easier selection My goal is to have a simple tool for my wife to use for selecting the background image. For example, xfce4 provides a tool for selecting a background image, but it is a part of the xfce xfce-setting-show which does a lot more. Maybe I should use a tool available from some heavier desktop environment -- but then I don't want the bloat it may require. How about ROX? With the exception of the randomizer, the ROX pinboard has almost all the features you mentioned. To change the background image you right-click the desktop, choose an option, and a set background window appears. Then you can simply drag and drop an image from ROX's own file manager to it. The manager also has thumbnail preview and you can associate any of the aforementioned programs (I use display from ImageMagick) to see the image at full size when you open it. For me it was probably the nicest experience concerning background images. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: looking for background image manager
Quoting Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]: p.p.s. The next thing I am looking for is a light-weight tool for managing menus. Then find some scripts -- or write -- some scripts to convert to fbpanel or other formats. I have a PHP script I put together hastily that will convert a Blackbox menu to the fbpanel format. I only used it once when I had to make a fbpanel environment, and it wasn't perfect, but if it helps I'll post it. FWIW, fbpanel doesn't have a config or menu editing tool either, so if what you want is newbie ease of use you're not there yet. Since we're on the topic, I thought about writing a menu configurator and/or a style configurator for a while now. Issues: I can only code it in PHP-GTK; the style format for 0.70 is (at least in my opinion) still a moving target. But the menu could be tackled. -- Ciprian Popovici -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
