Re: [Blind-Computing] Disk imaging programs.
I have image for windows however, it has failed to restore my windows system. The cause could be I have the backup on CDR disk instead of DVDR. Reese http://www.shilohstravel.com reservati...@shilohstravel.com 1-888-831-3180 Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST #1018299-10 - Original Message - Hi Gerald, For anyone to attempt to backup data in an amount that you have mentioned, would be ridiculous. The idea behind using Image for Windows, especially for blind users, is the ability to backyup the operating system and programs, and then restore them, without sighted assistance. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Disk imaging programs.
CDR disks can be a bit flaky in such matters. I found that out as well quite early on myself. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com VIP Conduit Tech Support www.vipconduit.com - Original Message - From: "Reese" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Disk imaging programs. I have image for windows however, it has failed to restore my windows system. The cause could be I have the backup on CDR disk instead of DVDR. Reese http://www.shilohstravel.com reservati...@shilohstravel.com 1-888-831-3180 Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST #1018299-10 - Original Message - Hi Gerald, For anyone to attempt to backup data in an amount that you have mentioned, would be ridiculous. The idea behind using Image for Windows, especially for blind users, is the ability to backyup the operating system and programs, and then restore them, without sighted assistance. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Disk imaging programs.
Reese, Could you describe the steps you took and maybe we could offer some possible solutions? Also, did you verify the backup disks after making them? Al -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Reese Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:16 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Disk imaging programs. I have image for windows however, it has failed to restore my windows system. The cause could be I have the backup on CDR disk instead of DVDR. Reese http://www.shilohstravel.com reservati...@shilohstravel.com 1-888-831-3180 Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST #1018299-10 - Original Message - Hi Gerald, For anyone to attempt to backup data in an amount that you have mentioned, would be ridiculous. The idea behind using Image for Windows, especially for blind users, is the ability to backyup the operating system and programs, and then restore them, without sighted assistance. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] how do i set up the BCC field in outlook 2007?
Hi, it's Alt P B -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:15 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] how do i set up the BCC field in outlook 2007? The subject line says it all. I am running windows 7 and jaws 11. Don't know how to set up the BCC field. Jim For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to go with Thunderbird
Friends, I took the plunge and decided to give thunderbird a try again. but, because of this stupid password thing that keeps barking at me, I'm firced to use 2 for the moment. Does anyone know where to uncheck the box that says use name and password I can't remember the exact wording. It's something about authentication. this is driving me nuts! if I get help on this maybe I will be able to send messages without that thing barking at me. Can any thunderbird user help? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to go withThunderbird
I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I just want to use what works the best given my limitations. If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Imgburn, an excellent free CD/DVD authoring tool
Hello all, Been using this program now for the past few days, and I have had nothing but positive results. I have burnt two DVD-Rs with it, and they came out absolutely perfect, with the test write feature assuring me of that fact. I have always had a fear of burning disks, for data may get lost or corrupted during the burn. Not with this program called IMGBurn! Get yourself a copy now, free, from www.imgburn.com. Enjoy! -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 I am also on Facebook. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Email hyperlinks does not work
I am running Windows XP and paid version of AVG9. When I enter a hyperlink in an email the computer stalls and must be restarted . Help! Maury For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Hello all, Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. -- Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Hi They sent me a follow up E-Mail and that sent me to their website to fill out a questionnaire. I could not read the section on how to rank the product. Actually, this is a new problem I have run in to on giving feed back as well. So, I am wondering if it is an issue with JAWS 11 or if there is some new website graphic thing causing issues? I was having good success with E-Bay before. God bless, Mark Torgerson -- Currently in Pendleton, Eastern Oregon Regional At Pendleton, Oregon Clear, 48.9°F(9.4°C) Wind:SSW (210°) at 10mph (9KT) - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Hello all, Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. -- Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had no problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug the player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it and enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than the supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Hello all, Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. -- Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Where are you getting this Coby MP3 player for $14.99 ? How many gig does it have? -- Seth Russell Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: > > I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had no > problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug the > player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it and > enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than the > supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for > $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. > > Gerald > > - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" < > lino.mora...@lljfm.net> > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM > > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > > > Hello all, >> Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for >> me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order >> from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading >> the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. >> >> -- >> Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : >> lino.mora...@lljfm.net >> For Great Internet radio, check out: >> www.lljfm.net >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] zoom text
Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
That mp3 player is great, I must admit. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:35 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had no problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug the player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it and enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than the supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > Hello all, > Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for > me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to > order from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't > reading the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't > remember. > > -- > Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : > lino.mora...@lljfm.net > For Great Internet radio, check out: > www.lljfm.net > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Hi I don't have the down load link. However, the unit has two GB of storage. I down loaded eight cd's on to mine. God bless, Mark -- Currently in Pendleton, Eastern Oregon Regional At Pendleton, Oregon Clear, 48.9°F(9.4°C) Wind:SSW (210°) at 10mph (9KT) - Original Message - From: "Seth Russell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Where are you getting this Coby MP3 player for $14.99 ? How many gig does it have? -- Seth Russell Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had no problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug the player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it and enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than the supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" < lino.mora...@lljfm.net> To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Hello all, Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. -- Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
The website is www.jr.com and I believe its 2GB? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Seth Russell Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:44 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Where are you getting this Coby MP3 player for $14.99 ? How many gig does it have? -- Seth Russell Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: > > I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had no > problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug the > player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it and > enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than the > supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for > $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. > > Gerald > > - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" < > lino.mora...@lljfm.net> > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM > > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > > > Hello all, >> Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for >> me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order >> from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading >> the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. >> >> -- >> Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : >> lino.mora...@lljfm.net >> For Great Internet radio, check out: >> www.lljfm.net >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird
JAWS does not work well with Microsoft Live Mail! Since Outlook Express and Windows Mail are not available in Windows7, people are forced to switch to something. FS has scripts for Live Mail in JAWS 10 and 11, but they have lots of flaws. The JAWS 10 scripts actually work better for me than JAWS 11. I can not even read mail with JAWS 11! I need to switch to JAWS 10 every time I want to read mail. This gets very agravating! The scripts for JAWS 10 are less annoying and my biggest complaint is that it will not announce "unread" or indicate when there is an enclosure. FS is very aware of the problem, do not seem interested in fixing the problems or even admitting that they have scripts for Live Mail. They seem to think that everybody should dish out more money for Outlook, since that is what all of their corporate accounts require. I am seriously thinking of switching to Thunderbird 3 as well, and I have more interesting things to do than play around with a mail program. I have downloaded the program, but have other things to do. Don Marang -- From: "Bill Gallik" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I just want to use what works the best given my limitations. If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
Hi, I am totally blind and it works well for me. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:28 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Ok so it's the Coby MP200-2G 2GB USB-Stick MP3 Player at http://www.jr.com/coby/pe/CBY_MP2002G/ now with a 20% discount brings it to $11.97. Then free shipping? Looks like a good deal!! -- Seth Russell Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM, blindguy wrote: > The website is www.jr.com and I believe its 2GB? > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Seth Russell > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:44 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > > Where are you getting this Coby MP3 player for $14.99 ? How many gig does > it have? > > -- > Seth Russell > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 > Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ > Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ > Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gerald Levy > wrote: > > > > > I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had > no > > problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug > the > > player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it > and > > enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than > the > > supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for > > $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. > > > > Gerald > > > > - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" < > > lino.mora...@lljfm.net> > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM > > > > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > > > > > > Hello all, > >> Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player > for > >> me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to > order > >> from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't > reading > >> the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. > >> > >> -- > >> Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : > >> lino.mora...@lljfm.net > >> For Great Internet radio, check out: > >> www.lljfm.net > >> > >> > >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > >> > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird
I agree, live mail sucks and I, to must swich to jaws 10 to make it work. After a while though, I just said forget it and swiched to ms outlook 07. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:17 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird JAWS does not work well with Microsoft Live Mail! Since Outlook Express and Windows Mail are not available in Windows7, people are forced to switch to something. FS has scripts for Live Mail in JAWS 10 and 11, but they have lots of flaws. The JAWS 10 scripts actually work better for me than JAWS 11. I can not even read mail with JAWS 11! I need to switch to JAWS 10 every time I want to read mail. This gets very agravating! The scripts for JAWS 10 are less annoying and my biggest complaint is that it will not announce "unread" or indicate when there is an enclosure. FS is very aware of the problem, do not seem interested in fixing the problems or even admitting that they have scripts for Live Mail. They seem to think that everybody should dish out more money for Outlook, since that is what all of their corporate accounts require. I am seriously thinking of switching to Thunderbird 3 as well, and I have more interesting things to do than play around with a mail program. I have downloaded the program, but have other things to do. Don Marang -- From: "Bill Gallik" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird > I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much > difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than > Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" > of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using > tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the > difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these > tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been > developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact > with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume > the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best > given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? > > I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find > no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I > just want to use what works the best given my limitations. > > If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then > why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? > > Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! > > Holland's Person, Bill > E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net > In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to > express that Jacob Marley is dead: > "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is > particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, > to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. > But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands > shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit > me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
Ok, thanks. Far be it for me to sound ignorant but if zt is a magnification program why would totally blind people use zt? Is it cheeper than the rest? I mainly was asking because I have the latest version of ZT and am going to start teaching myself it. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:27 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I am totally blind and it works well for me. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:28 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
You are exactly right, seth. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Seth Russell Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Ok so it's the Coby MP200-2G 2GB USB-Stick MP3 Player at http://www.jr.com/coby/pe/CBY_MP2002G/ now with a 20% discount brings it to $11.97. Then free shipping? Looks like a good deal!! -- Seth Russell Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM, blindguy wrote: > The website is www.jr.com and I believe its 2GB? > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Seth Russell > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:44 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > > Where are you getting this Coby MP3 player for $14.99 ? How many gig does > it have? > > -- > Seth Russell > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Russell/10470462538 > Blogging: http://fastblogit.com/seth/ > Developing: http://tagtalking.net/ > Shopping: http://www.speaktomecatalog.com > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gerald Levy > wrote: > > > > > I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had > no > > problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug > the > > player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it > and > > enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than > the > > supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for > > $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. > > > > Gerald > > > > - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" < > > lino.mora...@lljfm.net> > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM > > > > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! > > > > > > Hello all, > >> Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player > for > >> me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to > order > >> from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't > reading > >> the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. > >> > >> -- > >> Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : > >> lino.mora...@lljfm.net > >> For Great Internet radio, check out: > >> www.lljfm.net > >> > >> > >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > >> > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
Hi, I do not use it on a regular bases but: it was part of my training package so I had to learn it. I like it it has some nice features. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:34 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Ok, thanks. Far be it for me to sound ignorant but if zt is a magnification program why would totally blind people use zt? Is it cheeper than the rest? I mainly was asking because I have the latest version of ZT and am going to start teaching myself it. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:27 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I am totally blind and it works well for me. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:28 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
I'm in the same boat. It is also apart of my training package, which I must start ZT here soon. If you don't mind me asking where was your training? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I do not use it on a regular bases but: it was part of my training package so I had to learn it. I like it it has some nice features. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:34 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Ok, thanks. Far be it for me to sound ignorant but if zt is a magnification program why would totally blind people use zt? Is it cheeper than the rest? I mainly was asking because I have the latest version of ZT and am going to start teaching myself it. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:27 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I am totally blind and it works well for me. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:28 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
Hi Jinger, Never mind that last question. I just saw your name on the Certification trainers list. I'm undergoing the same training program right now, wich ZT is my next component. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I do not use it on a regular bases but: it was part of my training package so I had to learn it. I like it it has some nice features. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:34 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Ok, thanks. Far be it for me to sound ignorant but if zt is a magnification program why would totally blind people use zt? Is it cheeper than the rest? I mainly was asking because I have the latest version of ZT and am going to start teaching myself it. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:27 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I am totally blind and it works well for me. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:28 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
Hi, Access Technology Institute -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:59 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text I'm in the same boat. It is also apart of my training package, which I must start ZT here soon. If you don't mind me asking where was your training? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I do not use it on a regular bases but: it was part of my training package so I had to learn it. I like it it has some nice features. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:34 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Ok, thanks. Far be it for me to sound ignorant but if zt is a magnification program why would totally blind people use zt? Is it cheeper than the rest? I mainly was asking because I have the latest version of ZT and am going to start teaching myself it. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ginger Roe Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:27 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I am totally blind and it works well for me. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:28 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] changing computer name
Hi, I have a question. I recently purchased a new laptop with windows seven professional and I made a mistake which I don't know how to undo/change. There was an area where I typed the name of the computer which I typed my name but made a typo. Is there a way I can fix this? My name shows correctly on the start menu, and the welcome screen but not in the user folder in the local drive. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
I started out with Zoomtext with speech before moving onto Jaws as my sight went.. I think even Zoomtext makers Ai squared admit that in terms of screen reading Zoomtext is not in the same league as designated specialist screenreaders like Jaws and has much less functionality. Zoomtext with speech works best if you have limited vision. For example the app reader works well only the web if you can see enough to spot the content that you want read out on the page and click on that part of the web page. In this sense the speech output from ZoomText is efficient and intuitive for those who have enough sight to use screen, pointer and other enhancements enough to use a mouse. Where Zoomtext starts to fall down badly is if you do not have enough sight to take advantage of these visual enhancements . So navigation on a web page with the basic Zoomtext screen reader is pretty tortuous. This is because you are pretty much limited to the tab and cursor keys as you are without the recourse to navigation tools that a screen reader would provide. . To be fair Zoomtext was never designed to be used by people who could not take advantage of the visual and mouse pointer enhancements it affords. I do not know it is still there but I remember reading on the AI squared site that if you did not have enough sight to take advantage of the screen enhancements you would be much better off with a specific screen reader like Jaws. This was refreshing honesty and is absolutely right. Actually I think a person without useful ability to use a mouse would be better off with NVDA rather than Zoomtext. Personally I found Zoomtext more intuitive and smooth than Magic and I would unhesitatingly recommend it for someone who still wanted to be able to use a computer with a mouse. I think it is a mistake to consider it as a appropriate utility for those without enough sight to use a mouse. It is simply not designed with these users in mind. Regards David Griffith -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 20:28 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Windows 7 & E-Mail Clients - Was: I took the plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird
Is that right, no Windows Mail in Windows 7? Actually, I believe that Outlook Express and Windows Mail are the same basic program, but nonetheless if neither are available in Windows 7, well if that isn't hors**it! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Windows 7 & E-Mail Clients - Was: I took the plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird
Why is that such a bad thing? Just use Outlook or Thunderbird. No big deal in my opinion. Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 I am also on Facebook. On 18/12/2009 00:22, Bill Gallik wrote: Is that right, no Windows Mail in Windows 7? Actually, I believe that Outlook Express and Windows Mail are the same basic program, but nonetheless if neither are available in Windows 7, well if that isn't hors**it! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] zoom text
I actually find that mAGic, although developed for partially sighted people, has a very good speech component. It even allows one to navigate web pages just as if JAWS was reading with document presentation set to screen layout. Ok, it's not as flexible as JAWS, but it's better than nothing. I of course will use JAWS for my daily use, but like to try other software too, and thought MAGic was quite good actually. Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 I am also on Facebook. On 17/12/2009 23:58, David Griffith wrote: I started out with Zoomtext with speech before moving onto Jaws as my sight went.. I think even Zoomtext makers Ai squared admit that in terms of screen reading Zoomtext is not in the same league as designated specialist screenreaders like Jaws and has much less functionality. Zoomtext with speech works best if you have limited vision. For example the app reader works well only the web if you can see enough to spot the content that you want read out on the page and click on that part of the web page. In this sense the speech output from ZoomText is efficient and intuitive for those who have enough sight to use screen, pointer and other enhancements enough to use a mouse. Where Zoomtext starts to fall down badly is if you do not have enough sight to take advantage of these visual enhancements . So navigation on a web page with the basic Zoomtext screen reader is pretty tortuous. This is because you are pretty much limited to the tab and cursor keys as you are without the recourse to navigation tools that a screen reader would provide. . To be fair Zoomtext was never designed to be used by people who could not take advantage of the visual and mouse pointer enhancements it affords. I do not know it is still there but I remember reading on the AI squared site that if you did not have enough sight to take advantage of the screen enhancements you would be much better off with a specific screen reader like Jaws. This was refreshing honesty and is absolutely right. Actually I think a person without useful ability to use a mouse would be better off with NVDA rather than Zoomtext. Personally I found Zoomtext more intuitive and smooth than Magic and I would unhesitatingly recommend it for someone who still wanted to be able to use a computer with a mouse. I think it is a mistake to consider it as a appropriate utility for those without enough sight to use a mouse. It is simply not designed with these users in mind. Regards David Griffith -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of blindguy Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 20:28 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] zoom text Hi, I was wondering has anyone used zoom text with speech output? If so what is your experience like? Preferibly for those who are totally blind. I know, it's a program for visually impaired and not blind but with the speech output, I can see how the program would be useable. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4697 (20091217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird
I don't think it's so much about being a non-conformist, but sometimes there's something else that works better than a Microsoft product. I haven't used Thunderbird, so I can't comment on it, but since it's a Mozilla product, I'd be willing to bet it's more stable than Outlook or Live Mail. The reason I say this is because I've used Firefox for over a year now and love it. If you notice, IE doesn't have any such plugin like WebVisum to help us blind folks out with captchas. Firefox is also more secure. True, constantly updating your flash player and quicktime can be annoying because you have to do taht in order for it to play sounds, but I consider that a minor inconvenience considering that it is much faster than IE. Sometimes people take the plunge and break away from microsoft products because they're actually better! On 12/17/09, blindguy wrote: > I agree, live mail sucks and I, to must swich to jaws 10 to make it work. > After a while though, I just said forget it and swiched to ms outlook 07. > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:17 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to > gowithThunderbird > > JAWS does not work well with Microsoft Live Mail! Since Outlook Express and > > Windows Mail are not available in Windows7, people are forced to switch to > something. FS has scripts for Live Mail in JAWS 10 and 11, but they have > lots of flaws. The JAWS 10 scripts actually work better for me than JAWS > 11. I can not even read mail with JAWS 11! I need to switch to JAWS 10 > every time I want to read mail. This gets very agravating! The scripts for > > JAWS 10 are less annoying and my biggest complaint is that it will not > announce "unread" or indicate when there is an enclosure. FS is very aware > of the problem, do not seem interested in fixing the problems or even > admitting that they have scripts for Live Mail. They seem to think that > everybody should dish out more money for Outlook, since that is what all of > their corporate accounts require. > > I am seriously thinking of switching to Thunderbird 3 as well, and I have > more interesting things to do than play around with a mail program. I have > downloaded the program, but have other things to do. > > Don Marang > > -- > From: "Bill Gallik" > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to > gowithThunderbird > >> I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much >> difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than >> Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" > >> of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using >> tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the >> difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these >> tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been >> developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact >> with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume > >> the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best >> given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? >> >> I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find >> no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I >> just want to use what works the best given my limitations. >> >> If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then > >> why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? >> >> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! >> >> Holland's Person, Bill >> E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net >> In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to > >> express that Jacob Marley is dead: >> "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is > >> particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, >> to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. >> But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands >> shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit > >> me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now tryingto gowithThunderbird
Other than not using standard controls, I can not say that Live Mail sucks! I actually like it a little better than Windows Mail. Not being able to use first letter navigation in the Folders tree and not scrolling correctly so JAWS will speak the folder name are probably Microsoft's fault. The switching to a message view that displays html better is also a benefit in the long run. Unfortunately JAWS does not always work as expected and often gets stuck in forms mode and I can not get out without exiting JAWS and restarting. It is a shame that the JAWS 11 scripts actually are worse and any changes only seem to have broken things. The most troubling thing is that Live Mail has been out a long time, and FS does not appear to want to support it! That is why people are taking matters into their own hands and finding a solution. It has nothing to do with being a non-conformist or wanting to stand out! Don Marang -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now tryingtogowithThunderbird> I agree, live mail sucks and I, to must swich to jaws 10 to make it work. After a while though, I just said forget it and swiched to ms outlook 07. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:17 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird JAWS does not work well with Microsoft Live Mail! Since Outlook Express and Windows Mail are not available in Windows7, people are forced to switch to something. FS has scripts for Live Mail in JAWS 10 and 11, but they have lots of flaws. The JAWS 10 scripts actually work better for me than JAWS 11. I can not even read mail with JAWS 11! I need to switch to JAWS 10 every time I want to read mail. This gets very agravating! The scripts for JAWS 10 are less annoying and my biggest complaint is that it will not announce "unread" or indicate when there is an enclosure. FS is very aware of the problem, do not seem interested in fixing the problems or even admitting that they have scripts for Live Mail. They seem to think that everybody should dish out more money for Outlook, since that is what all of their corporate accounts require. I am seriously thinking of switching to Thunderbird 3 as well, and I have more interesting things to do than play around with a mail program. I have downloaded the program, but have other things to do. Don Marang -- From: "Bill Gallik" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I just want to use what works the best given my limitations. If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently ask
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Nowtryingto gowithThunderbird
I am using windows live mail and actually liking it. Aside from having to open forms mode more than once to start an email it is ok. I can get out of forms mode with the pc cursor with no problem. I actually like the contacts feature also. It is pretty easy to add someone and then insert the email address into whatever field you want to. Also the bcc field is there to start with. I have only used it with jaws 11 so far and like I said it works pretty well. -- From: "Donald Marang" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:26 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am NowtryingtogowithThunderbird> Other than not using standard controls, I can not say that Live Mail sucks! I actually like it a little better than Windows Mail. Not being able to use first letter navigation in the Folders tree and not scrolling correctly so JAWS will speak the folder name are probably Microsoft's fault. The switching to a message view that displays html better is also a benefit in the long run. Unfortunately JAWS does not always work as expected and often gets stuck in forms mode and I can not get out without exiting JAWS and restarting. It is a shame that the JAWS 11 scripts actually are worse and any changes only seem to have broken things. The most troubling thing is that Live Mail has been out a long time, and FS does not appear to want to support it! That is why people are taking matters into their own hands and finding a solution. It has nothing to do with being a non-conformist or wanting to stand out! Don Marang -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:32 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now tryingtogowithThunderbird> I agree, live mail sucks and I, to must swich to jaws 10 to make it work. After a while though, I just said forget it and swiched to ms outlook 07. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:17 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird JAWS does not work well with Microsoft Live Mail! Since Outlook Express and Windows Mail are not available in Windows7, people are forced to switch to something. FS has scripts for Live Mail in JAWS 10 and 11, but they have lots of flaws. The JAWS 10 scripts actually work better for me than JAWS 11. I can not even read mail with JAWS 11! I need to switch to JAWS 10 every time I want to read mail. This gets very agravating! The scripts for JAWS 10 are less annoying and my biggest complaint is that it will not announce "unread" or indicate when there is an enclosure. FS is very aware of the problem, do not seem interested in fixing the problems or even admitting that they have scripts for Live Mail. They seem to think that everybody should dish out more money for Outlook, since that is what all of their corporate accounts require. I am seriously thinking of switching to Thunderbird 3 as well, and I have more interesting things to do than play around with a mail program. I have downloaded the program, but have other things to do. Don Marang -- From: "Bill Gallik" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to gowithThunderbird I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I just want to use what works the best given my limitations. If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead
Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name
Are you certain that you are talking about the computer name and not the user name? I do not believe the computer name will show up anywhere in the menus. Type "Network" into the Start menu search box to get a list of computers and devices on your network. To change your network name or workgroup name, press the Windows key + the Break key (the last key on the right end of the function keys), to bring up the System Control Panel. Hit Tab until you get to a button labeled "Change", and press Space. Press Tab to the "Change Name" or something similar button. In this dialog and press Space. It will now allow you to change the computer name and workgroup name. As you press the Ok button, it will ask you to restart. Don Marang -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:38 PM To: Subject: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name Hi, I have a question. I recently purchased a new laptop with windows seven professional and I made a mistake which I don't know how to undo/change. There was an area where I typed the name of the computer which I typed my name but made a typo. Is there a way I can fix this? My name shows correctly on the start menu, and the welcome screen but not in the user folder in the local drive. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name
How would you change the user name then? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:54 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name Are you certain that you are talking about the computer name and not the user name? I do not believe the computer name will show up anywhere in the menus. Type "Network" into the Start menu search box to get a list of computers and devices on your network. To change your network name or workgroup name, press the Windows key + the Break key (the last key on the right end of the function keys), to bring up the System Control Panel. Hit Tab until you get to a button labeled "Change", and press Space. Press Tab to the "Change Name" or something similar button. In this dialog and press Space. It will now allow you to change the computer name and workgroup name. As you press the Ok button, it will ask you to restart. Don Marang -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:38 PM To: Subject: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name > Hi, > > I have a question. > > > >I recently purchased a new laptop with windows seven > professional and I made a mistake which I don't know how to undo/change. > > There was an area where I typed the name of the computer which I typed my > name but made a typo. Is there a way I can fix this? > > My name shows correctly on the start menu, and the welcome screen but not > in > the user folder in the local drive. > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name
I guess if it has an edit field you would delete your other name and retype the new one in the same area? - Original Message - From: "blindguy" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name How would you change the user name then? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:54 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name Are you certain that you are talking about the computer name and not the user name? I do not believe the computer name will show up anywhere in the menus. Type "Network" into the Start menu search box to get a list of computers and devices on your network. To change your network name or workgroup name, press the Windows key + the Break key (the last key on the right end of the function keys), to bring up the System Control Panel. Hit Tab until you get to a button labeled "Change", and press Space. Press Tab to the "Change Name" or something similar button. In this dialog and press Space. It will now allow you to change the computer name and workgroup name. As you press the Ok button, it will ask you to restart. Don Marang -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:38 PM To: Subject: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name Hi, I have a question. I recently purchased a new laptop with windows seven professional and I made a mistake which I don't know how to undo/change. There was an area where I typed the name of the computer which I typed my name but made a typo. Is there a way I can fix this? My name shows correctly on the start menu, and the welcome screen but not in the user folder in the local drive. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name
You could look in user accounts in control panel. -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:35 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name How would you change the user name then? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:54 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name Are you certain that you are talking about the computer name and not the user name? I do not believe the computer name will show up anywhere in the menus. Type "Network" into the Start menu search box to get a list of computers and devices on your network. To change your network name or workgroup name, press the Windows key + the Break key (the last key on the right end of the function keys), to bring up the System Control Panel. Hit Tab until you get to a button labeled "Change", and press Space. Press Tab to the "Change Name" or something similar button. In this dialog and press Space. It will now allow you to change the computer name and workgroup name. As you press the Ok button, it will ask you to restart. Don Marang -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:38 PM To: Subject: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name Hi, I have a question. I recently purchased a new laptop with windows seven professional and I made a mistake which I don't know how to undo/change. There was an area where I typed the name of the computer which I typed my name but made a typo. Is there a way I can fix this? My name shows correctly on the start menu, and the welcome screen but not in the user folder in the local drive. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Your kidding! Man we should have waited! Only 2 more days. Oh well $14.99 with economy shipping at 2.95 wasn't bad. Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net On 12/17/2009 4:30 PM, Seth Russell wrote: Ok so it's the Coby MP200-2G 2GB USB-Stick MP3 Player at http://www.jr.com/coby/pe/CBY_MP2002G/ now with a 20% discount brings it to $11.97. Then free shipping? Looks like a good deal!! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player!
Gerald, Is the sound quality via the ear buds pretty bad? Just curious. I'm buying a new headset for my PC use soon, but I'll wait and judge for myself and see if them buds sound good to me before I buy better sounding ones. Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net On 12/17/2009 3:35 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: I ordered my Coby player from J&R using IE 7, XP Pro and JAWS 9, and had no problems. This little gizmo is great. Just install the battery, plug the player directly into a USB port, copy and paste your MP3 files into it and enjoy. For best sound quality, substitute a better pair of earbuds than the supplied pair. Too bad they're no longer avaiable for $10. But even for $14.99, it's a great value for a blind-accessible MP3 player. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Lino and Louie" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Coby MP3 Player! Hello all, Well my wife decided to be nice to me and buy the new Coby MP3 Player for me. Can't wait to get it! One note though. It works best with IE 8 to order from there site. She had some problems using Firefox. JAWS wasn't reading the buttons to check out and a couple of other ones I can't remember. -- Lino Morales and Louie Lab. Email and Windows Messenger : lino.mora...@lljfm.net For Great Internet radio, check out: www.lljfm.net For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name
I did that but doesn't change the name under the local user folder. -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of matthew Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:43 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name You could look in user accounts in control panel. -- From: "blindguy" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:35 PM To: Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name > How would you change the user name then? > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:54 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name > > Are you certain that you are talking about the computer name and not the > user name? I do not believe the computer name will show up anywhere in > the > menus. Type "Network" into the Start menu search box to get a list of > computers and devices on your network. > > To change your network name or workgroup name, press the Windows key + the > Break key (the last key on the right end of the function keys), to bring > up > the System Control Panel. Hit Tab until you get to a button labeled > "Change", and press Space. Press Tab to the "Change Name" or something > similar button. In this dialog and press Space. It will now allow you to > change the computer name and workgroup name. As you press the Ok button, > it > > will ask you to restart. > > Don Marang > > -- > From: "blindguy" > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:38 PM > To: > Subject: [Blind-Computing] changing computer name > >> Hi, >> >> I have a question. >> >> >> >>I recently purchased a new laptop with windows seven >> professional and I made a mistake which I don't know how to undo/change. >> >> There was an area where I typed the name of the computer which I typed my >> name but made a typo. Is there a way I can fix this? >> >> My name shows correctly on the start menu, and the welcome screen but not >> in >> the user folder in the local drive. >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird
Hi, I'm thinking of going to thunderbird myself. In fact, I already tried it with NVDA and it works great. It's even more stable than outlook express. I've had it up to here with windows messenger because it keeps interfering with whatever tasks I need to do. My sighted nephew Dave's coming on Sunday to uninstall it for me. I've done everything I know to do to get rid of messenger but nothing works. I don't see the need to keep it because I really don't instant message anymore. Even when I did instant message, it was only with a couple of people I knew but that was it. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Desiree Oudinot To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird I don't think it's so much about being a non-conformist, but sometimes there's something else that works better than a Microsoft product. I haven't used Thunderbird, so I can't comment on it, but since it's a Mozilla product, I'd be willing to bet it's more stable than Outlook or Live Mail. The reason I say this is because I've used Firefox for over a year now and love it. If you notice, IE doesn't have any such plugin like WebVisum to help us blind folks out with captchas. Firefox is also more secure. True, constantly updating your flash player and quicktime can be annoying because you have to do taht in order for it to play sounds, but I consider that a minor inconvenience considering that it is much faster than IE. Sometimes people take the plunge and break away from microsoft products because they're actually better! On 12/17/09, blindguy wrote: > I agree, live mail sucks and I, to must swich to jaws 10 to make it work. > After a while though, I just said forget it and swiched to ms outlook 07. > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:17 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to > gowithThunderbird > > JAWS does not work well with Microsoft Live Mail! Since Outlook Express and > > Windows Mail are not available in Windows7, people are forced to switch to > something. FS has scripts for Live Mail in JAWS 10 and 11, but they have > lots of flaws. The JAWS 10 scripts actually work better for me than JAWS > 11. I can not even read mail with JAWS 11! I need to switch to JAWS 10 > every time I want to read mail. This gets very agravating! The scripts for > > JAWS 10 are less annoying and my biggest complaint is that it will not > announce "unread" or indicate when there is an enclosure. FS is very aware > of the problem, do not seem interested in fixing the problems or even > admitting that they have scripts for Live Mail. They seem to think that > everybody should dish out more money for Outlook, since that is what all of > their corporate accounts require. > > I am seriously thinking of switching to Thunderbird 3 as well, and I have > more interesting things to do than play around with a mail program. I have > downloaded the program, but have other things to do. > > Don Marang > > -- > From: "Bill Gallik" > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:11 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I took the plunge and am Now trying to > gowithThunderbird > >> I'm completely confused as to why, if folks are experiencing so much >> difficulty, they are prone to use browsers and e-mail clients other than >> Internet Explorer and Windows Mail or Outlook. I understand the "glamour" > >> of being able to identify one's self as a non-conformist and hence using >> tools other than those provided by Microsoft, but considering the >> difficulties I've seen on various lists I wouldn't touch any of these >> tools with someone else's screen reader. Obviously, JAWS has been >> developed and delivered complete with strong support files to interact >> with Internet Explorer and any of the Microsoft e-mail clients. I presume > >> the same can be said for WindowEyes. So, why not not use what works best >> given the framework of needing to use a screen reader? >> >> I guess, that since I was a software developer for so many years, I find >> no personal satisfaction in being able to say I am not a conformist. I >> just want to use what works the best given my limitations. >> >> If the reason for using the non-Microsoft tools is enhanced security, then > >> why not take the entire plunge and move to Linux? >> >> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! >> >> Holland's Person, Bill >> E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net >> In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrou
Re: [Blind-Computing] Windows 7 & E-Mail Clients - Was: I took the plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird
Hi, Bill, A friend of mine just got windows 7 and she said there wasn't an email program like outlook express or windows mail in it. I suggested to her that she download thunderbird because it's free but she went and ordered microsoft outlook and paid a very high price for it. I would have just gotten thunderbird instead of paying 99 bucks for outlook. That's just my opinion. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Windows 7 & E-Mail Clients - Was: I took the plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird Is that right, no Windows Mail in Windows 7? Actually, I believe that Outlook Express and Windows Mail are the same basic program, but nonetheless if neither are available in Windows 7, well if that isn't hors**it! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.112/2571 - Release Date: 12/17/09 19:40:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Windows 7 & E-Mail Clients - Was: I tookthe plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird
Rose, I agree 100%! Holland's Person, Bill E-Mail: billgal...@centurytel.net In the opening paragraphs of "A Christmas Carol" Dickens is overwrought to express that Jacob Marley is dead: "Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail." - Original Message - From: "ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Windows 7 & E-Mail Clients - Was: I tookthe plunge and am Now trying togowithThunderbird Hi, Bill, A friend of mine just got windows 7 and she said there wasn't an email program like outlook express or windows mail in it. I suggested to her that she download thunderbird because it's free but she went and ordered microsoft outlook and paid a very high price for it. I would have just gotten thunderbird instead of paying 99 bucks for outlook. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] help ie hijacked
my internet explorer 8 has been hijacked I can't get rid of the home page that comes up all the time I delete the line and it comes back again does anybodyknow of a program to remove this annoying I know what Idid but can't get rid of the web site. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] help ie hijacked
Superantispyware? -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of John Melia Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:47 PM To: blind computing Subject: [Blind-Computing] help ie hijacked my internet explorer 8 has been hijacked I can't get rid of the home page that comes up all the time I delete the line and it comes back again does anybodyknow of a program to remove this annoying I know what Idid but can't get rid of the web site. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] fixed hijack problem
it took a little bit but i did it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
