Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-10 Thread Justin Jones 
Welcome to game-exclusivity, a constant fact of what being a gamer is
all about: you want to play a specific game not available on the
systems you have? You'll have to fork out the necessary money to buy
that new system plus the game. It's how the gaming industry has worked
for the passed forty or so years.

On 11/10/17, Paul Lemm  wrote:
> Hi josh, from a coding stand point it would take so long to convert the
> games to a different platform, it just wouldn’t be worth it. Rather than
> putting money into a crowd funding  campaign, if you really want to play the
> games so badly why not just go out and spend the money you’d put into crowd
> funding and buy a second hand iPhone instead as  the older models are pretty
> cheap, and there’s nothing to stop you having both an android and an iPhone
> that way you get to play the games from both devices, sighted people have to
> do the same with consoles there are many games that are only out on either
> xbox or playstation and the people that want to play both  buy both consoles
> rather than bugging the developer to rewrite their games from scratch just
> so they don’t have to buy another console.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Josh Kennedy
> Sent: 10 November 2017 17:16
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android
>
>
>
> maybe a crowd-sourcing or some sort of funding campaign could be set up to
> raise money for blindfold games on android?
>
>
>
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> Re: blindfold games for android
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> Date:
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> Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:29:02 +
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> From:
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> 'John' via eyes-free  <mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com>
> 
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> eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
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> To:
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> eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
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>
> Hello
>
> Android and IOS are two very different systems but
> it is as easy to produce accessible apps from both.
>
> The problem is the  return from Android is very low to nil even with the
>  low developing costs.
>
> IOS is very expensive to code for but is offset by the numbers who
> download and are willing to pay for apps.
>
> The workload Blindfold games would have to do is huge and would be for
> probably little or no return.
>
> I would suggest that Blindfold Games start a funding drive to cover the
> costs of converting the apps to Android such as kickstarter or some such
> service.
>
> I wish them all the luck in the world.
>
> John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/woodside_apps
>
> Our new game Super Tile Smash
> Now available on the App Store!
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8
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> &ign-mpt=uo%3D4
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> On 10/11/2017 07:07, lenron brown wrote:
>> Android 2.1 was when I stepped in to the world of Android and even
>> then I was pretty happy with the access. ICS was when I got really
>> excited though.
>>
>> On 11/9/17, Danny Mathis  <mailto:danny.mat...@gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>> HI
>>>
>>> I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?
>>> Oh
>>>  wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY
>>>  accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!"  So dead on, when I was at
>>> LWSB as an assistant instructor I tried my darndist to educate Dean
>>> the head instructor about androijd.  His answer "My friend says
>>> android is not as accessible, he owns an android device".  Me, "I'm an
>>> android generation 1 user, I've had several android devices,  what do
>>> you not find accessible?"  Dean "it can not perform taskks as well as
>>> voiceover on the IPhone".  Sadly the blind institutions still push IOS
>>> over IPhone and this dev fell for it line, hook and sinker.  Parden
>>> the pund, the dork even blew me off as well.  I'll go out on a lim
>>> here as well, Steve nut and a select few have me be by 1.6 or donut.
>>> I came in 2.1 have been around for a lot of time.  I have a board on
>>> zonebbs "The Boards - Recommended android apps
>>> "  see link:  https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=24861 its still

Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-10 Thread Charles Rivard 
Josh:  Do you know the meaning of “NO!!”?  Marty is NOT going to develop for 
Androids!!!

Sent from my iPhone8 plus

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Josh Kennedy  wrote:
> 
> maybe a crowd-sourcing or some sort of funding campaign could be set up to 
> raise money for blindfold games on android? 
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Re: blindfold games for android
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:29:02 +
> From: 'John' via eyes-free 
> Reply-To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
> To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hello
> 
> Android and IOS are two very different systems but
> it is as easy to produce accessible apps from both.
> 
> The problem is the  return from Android is very low to nil even with the 
>  low developing costs.
> 
> IOS is very expensive to code for but is offset by the numbers who 
> download and are willing to pay for apps.
> 
> The workload Blindfold games would have to do is huge and would be for 
> probably little or no return.
> 
> I would suggest that Blindfold Games start a funding drive to cover the 
> costs of converting the apps to Android such as kickstarter or some such 
> service.
> 
> I wish them all the luck in the world.
> 
> John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/woodside_apps
> 
> Our new game Super Tile Smash
> Now available on the App Store!
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
> Android FREE version
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.free
> Android PRO version
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.pro
> 
> On 10/11/2017 07:07, lenron brown wrote:
> > Android 2.1 was when I stepped in to the world of Android and even
> > then I was pretty happy with the access. ICS was when I got really
> > excited though.
> >
> > On 11/9/17, Danny Mathis  wrote:
> >> HI
> >>
> >> I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?
> >> Oh
> >>  wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY
> >>  accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!"  So dead on, when I was at
> >> LWSB as an assistant instructor I tried my darndist to educate Dean
> >> the head instructor about androijd.  His answer "My friend says
> >> android is not as accessible, he owns an android device".  Me, "I'm an
> >> android generation 1 user, I've had several android devices,  what do
> >> you not find accessible?"  Dean "it can not perform taskks as well as
> >> voiceover on the IPhone".  Sadly the blind institutions still push IOS
> >> over IPhone and this dev fell for it line, hook and sinker.  Parden
> >> the pund, the dork even blew me off as well.  I'll go out on a lim
> >> here as well, Steve nut and a select few have me be by 1.6 or donut.
> >> I came in 2.1 have been around for a lot of time.  I have a board on
> >> zonebbs "The Boards - Recommended android apps
> >> "  see link:  https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=24861 its still
> >> kept updated to day.  So while I would love to help marty should my
> >> coding classes pan out, marty has to pull his head out of the past and
> >> approach a android dev or me later on.
> >>
> >> Dan Mathis
> >>
> >> Ps  LWSB in little rock AR has zero excuses for teaching android, a
> >> tablit was donated by me running lollipop 5.1.
> >>
> >> On 11/9/17, Tina Sohl  wrote:
> >>> I agree. Would love to have them on the play store. I know Marty
> >>> couldn't, or wasn't interested in bringing them to android or even
> >>> windows. I hope someone will a lot of them sound like fun.
> >>>
> >>> On 11/9/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>  That's such a shame that he didn't! pursue things with Android, as that
>  would have really been full on!
>  ---
>  Christopher Gilland
>  Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
> 
>  http://www.gshministry.org
>  (980) 500-9575
>    - Original Message -
>    From: Judy Jones
>    To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
>    Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:29 PM
>    Subject: RE: blindfold games for android
> 
> 
>    Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe
>  that
>  because they have been told it.
> 
> 
> 
>    Judy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com]
>  On
>  Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
>    Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
>    To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,
>  Inc.
>    Subject: Re: blindfold games for android
> 
> 
> 
>    oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or
>  partially
>  accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android
>  gingerbread
>  and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with jellybean in
>  2012
>  android accessibility began to greatl

Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-10 Thread Josh Kennedy 
maybe a crowd-sourcing or some sort of funding campaign could be set up 
to raise money for blindfold games on android?





 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: blindfold games for android
Date:   Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:29:02 +
From:   'John' via eyes-free 
Reply-To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com



Hello

Android and IOS are two very different systems but
it is as easy to produce accessible apps from both.

The problem is the  return from Android is very low to nil even with the
 low developing costs.

IOS is very expensive to code for but is offset by the numbers who
download and are willing to pay for apps.

The workload Blindfold games would have to do is huge and would be for
probably little or no return.

I would suggest that Blindfold Games start a funding drive to cover the
costs of converting the apps to Android such as kickstarter or some such
service.

I wish them all the luck in the world.

John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
Twitter
https://twitter.com/woodside_apps

Our new game Super Tile Smash
Now available on the App Store!
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
Android FREE version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.free
Android PRO version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.pro

On 10/11/2017 07:07, lenron brown wrote:

Android 2.1 was when I stepped in to the world of Android and even
then I was pretty happy with the access. ICS was when I got really
excited though.

On 11/9/17, Danny Mathis  wrote:

HI

I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?
Oh
 wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY
 accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!"  So dead on, when I was at
LWSB as an assistant instructor I tried my darndist to educate Dean
the head instructor about androijd.  His answer "My friend says
android is not as accessible, he owns an android device".  Me, "I'm an
android generation 1 user, I've had several android devices,  what do
you not find accessible?"  Dean "it can not perform taskks as well as
voiceover on the IPhone".  Sadly the blind institutions still push IOS
over IPhone and this dev fell for it line, hook and sinker.  Parden
the pund, the dork even blew me off as well.  I'll go out on a lim
here as well, Steve nut and a select few have me be by 1.6 or donut.
I came in 2.1 have been around for a lot of time.  I have a board on
zonebbs "The Boards - Recommended android apps
"  see link:  https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=24861 its still
kept updated to day.  So while I would love to help marty should my
coding classes pan out, marty has to pull his head out of the past and
approach a android dev or me later on.

Dan Mathis

Ps  LWSB in little rock AR has zero excuses for teaching android, a
tablit was donated by me running lollipop 5.1.

On 11/9/17, Tina Sohl  wrote:

I agree. Would love to have them on the play store. I know Marty
couldn't, or wasn't interested in bringing them to android or even
windows. I hope someone will a lot of them sound like fun.

On 11/9/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

That's such a shame that he didn't! pursue things with Android, as that
would have really been full on!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message -
  From: Judy Jones
  To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:29 PM
  Subject: RE: blindfold games for android


  Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe
that
because they have been told it.



  Judy





  From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
  Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
  To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,
Inc.
  Subject: Re: blindfold games for android



  oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or
partially
accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android
gingerbread
and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with jellybean in
2012
android accessibility began to greatly catch up with IOS. These days its
just as good as apple stuff, but without the high development costs of
apple. I had a tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My
android marshmallow tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android
nougat and the later oreo will be even better. but not really because
everything in android is an app. so i get webview virtual web buffer
updates
and talkback updates and accessibility API updates even though my
devices
may still be on android marshmallow and lollipop.





  On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.
Why?Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to

Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Jude DaShiell 
Probably useful to keep in mind, carriers update operating systems 
rarely if ever in many cases.  Blind people tend to hold onto devices 
longer than the sighted population.  Combine those two factors with 
questionable accessibility on earlier operating systems and that story 
does not end well.  One useful android survey of the accessibility-user 
community would be to find the percentages of users with each of the 
loosely accessible operating system versions, their carriers, and the 
length of time they've had that device.


On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Charles Rivard wrote:


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 18:45:02
From: Charles Rivard 
Reply-To: blind-gamers@groups.io
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

Josh:  I, and others, have gotten the message from Marty, directly, in the past 
discussions, that he will not be making his games available in the Android play 
store.  Why haven?t you gotten the message?  It?s really getting annoying when 
you have to resort to forwarding messages from elsewhere.  The! answer! has! 
been! NO!!!  No!!!  No!!!  Stop clogging my inbox with pointless attempts!!


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:28 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android





 Forwarded Message  Subject:  RE: blindfold games for android
 Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:27:13 -0800
 From:  Judy Jones mailto:sonshine...@gmail.com
 Reply-To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
 To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com



You got that right!  And I think this is a great idea.  I have seen some of the 
games and they would be really worthwhile to have on Android in the play store.



Judy





From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
Subject: blindfold games for android



hi

are there any developers on the list here who would have the time and who would 
be willing to work with marty to get the blindfold games ported to android and 
into the google play store? just curious. i don't want to buy an apple device 
just for some games and itunes is quite annoying.



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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Charles Rivard 
Josh:  I, and others, have gotten the message from Marty, directly, in the past 
discussions, that he will not be making his games available in the Android play 
store.  Why haven’t you gotten the message?  It’s really getting annoying when 
you have to resort to forwarding messages from elsewhere.  The! answer! has! 
been! NO!!!  No!!!  No!!!  Stop clogging my inbox with pointless attempts!!


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Josh Kennedy 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:28 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android





 Forwarded Message  Subject:  RE: blindfold games for android 
  Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:27:13 -0800 
  From:  Judy Jones mailto:sonshine...@gmail.com 
  Reply-To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com 
  To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com 



You got that right!  And I think this is a great idea.  I have seen some of the 
games and they would be really worthwhile to have on Android in the play store.

 

Judy

 

 

From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
Subject: blindfold games for android

 

hi

are there any developers on the list here who would have the time and who would 
be willing to work with marty to get the blindfold games ported to android and 
into the google play store? just curious. i don't want to buy an apple device 
just for some games and itunes is quite annoying. 

 

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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Lenron 
I say hey I wouldn't even bother with trying to convince him to
develop for android. He has stated why he didn't want to and all bla
bla. Those that use Android have done just fine with out the games and
I am sure will continue to do just fine. It annoys me that people like
to talk major crap about android being inaccessible but I know better
so I don't bother. Apple has it's problems but that doesn't stop most
from going nuts over it. If you know of some Devs that wish to develop
games for Android, my advice to you is to reach out to them and see
what happens. Stop trying to beat a dead horse about getting blind
fold games on android, Hell if they don't figure something out they
might be history on IOS as well.

On 11/9/17, john  wrote:
> Josh, please stop with the Android adverts. You sound like a life insurance
> company.
>
>
> From: Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 17:09
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android
>
>
> oh and also tereesa, did you know you could sideload or install the google
> play store onto your kindle device? if its a kindle tablet like kindle fire
> tablet? and once the play store is on your kindle device you'll have two app
> stores. and from the play store then you could play the blindfold games on
> your kindle once the play store is installed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/9/2017 16:39, Teresa wrote:
>
>   I think this is a perfect opportunity to brainstorm in a positive way
> about possible options. My philosophy is to go with whatever works.If
> Android works in this situation, let's go for it. I have a Windows PC,
> iDevices, possibly a Mac soon, and a Kindle, and I use them for different
> purposes. I will happily switch to an Android device to play these games.
>
>
>   Teresa
>
>   Winging its way from my iPod
>
>   On Nov 9, 2017, at 13:29, Josh Kennedy  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message  Subject:  RE: blindfold games for
> android
>   Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 -0800
>   From:  Judy Jones 
>   Reply-To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
>   To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
>
>
>
> Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe that
> because they have been told it.
>
>
>
> Judy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
> To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,
> Inc.
> Subject: Re: blindfold games for android
>
>
>
> oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or partially
> accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android gingerbread
> and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with jellybean in 2012
> android accessibility began to greatly catch up with IOS. These days its
> just as good as apple stuff, but without the high development costs of
> apple. I had a tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My
> android marshmallow tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android
> nougat and the later oreo will be even better. but not really because
> everything in android is an app. so i get webview virtual web buffer updates
> and talkback updates and accessibility API updates even though my devices
> may still be on android marshmallow and lollipop.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:
>
> Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.
> Why?Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the
> newformat for continued development.  Developer believes that such a
> migrationwill be an expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance
> to thesound of Apple's drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER
> development orupdates for Blind Fold games.   In addition, developer only
> made money within a three-month period followingrelease of games; otherwise,
> it's flat land here and there. I wonder why the developer never gave thought
> to developing for Android?  Ohwait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No,
> it is ONLY PARTIALLYaccessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!! Anyway, if I can
> find more extracts from the developer, I'll post in thisspace.
> Sincerely,OlusegunDenver, Colorado  ---This email has been checked for
> viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread john 
Josh, please stop with the Android adverts. You sound like a life insurance 
company.


From: Josh Kennedy 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 17:09
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android


oh and also tereesa, did you know you could sideload or install the google play 
store onto your kindle device? if its a kindle tablet like kindle fire tablet? 
and once the play store is on your kindle device you'll have two app stores. 
and from the play store then you could play the blindfold games on your kindle 
once the play store is installed. 







On 11/9/2017 16:39, Teresa wrote:

  I think this is a perfect opportunity to brainstorm in a positive way about 
possible options. My philosophy is to go with whatever works.If Android works 
in this situation, let's go for it. I have a Windows PC, iDevices, possibly a 
Mac soon, and a Kindle, and I use them for different purposes. I will happily 
switch to an Android device to play these games.


  Teresa

  Winging its way from my iPod

  On Nov 9, 2017, at 13:29, Josh Kennedy  wrote:







 Forwarded Message  Subject:  RE: blindfold games for 
android 
  Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 -0800 
  From:  Judy Jones  
  Reply-To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com 
  To:  eyes-f...@googlegroups.com 



Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe that 
because they have been told it.

 

Judy

 

 

From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: Re: blindfold games for android

 

oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or partially 
accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android gingerbread 
and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with jellybean in 2012 
android accessibility began to greatly catch up with IOS. These days its just 
as good as apple stuff, but without the high development costs of apple. I had 
a tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My android marshmallow 
tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android nougat and the later oreo 
will be even better. but not really because everything in android is an app. so 
i get webview virtual web buffer updates and talkback updates and accessibility 
API updates even though my devices may still be on android marshmallow and 
lollipop. 

 

 

On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.  Why?Well, 
Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the newformat for 
continued development.  Developer believes that such a migrationwill be an 
expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance to thesound of Apple's 
drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER development orupdates for Blind 
Fold games.   In addition, developer only made money within a three-month 
period followingrelease of games; otherwise, it's flat land here and there. I 
wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?  Ohwait, 
I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLYaccessible and NOT 
ENOUGH blind users!! Anyway, if I can find more extracts from the developer, 
I'll post in thisspace. Sincerely,OlusegunDenver, Colorado  ---This email has 
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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Josh Kennedy 
oh and also tereesa, did you know you could sideload or install the 
google play store onto your kindle device? if its a kindle tablet like 
kindle fire tablet? and once the play store is on your kindle device 
you'll have two app stores. and from the play store then you could play 
the blindfold games on your kindle once the play store is installed.




On 11/9/2017 16:39, Teresa wrote:
I think this is a perfect opportunity to brainstorm in a positive way 
about possible options. My philosophy is to go with whatever works.If 
Android works in this situation, let's go for it. I have a Windows PC, 
iDevices, possibly a Mac soon, and a Kindle, and I use them for 
different purposes. I will happily switch to an Android device to play 
these games.


Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

On Nov 9, 2017, at 13:29, Josh Kennedy > wrote:






 Forwarded Message 
Subject:RE: blindfold games for android
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 -0800
From:   Judy Jones 
Reply-To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com



Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe 
that because they have been told it.


Judy

*From:*eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy

*Sent:* Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
*To:* eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
Inc.

*Subject:* Re: blindfold games for android

oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or 
partially accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with 
android gingerbread and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but 
starting with jellybean in 2012 android accessibility began to 
greatly catch up with IOS. These days its just as good as apple 
stuff, but without the high development costs of apple. I had a 
tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My android 
marshmallow tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android 
nougat and the later oreo will be even better. but not really because 
everything in android is an app. so i get webview virtual web buffer 
updates and talkback updates and accessibility API updates even 
though my devices may still be on android marshmallow and lollipop.


On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.  Why?

Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the new

format for continued development.  Developer believes that such a migration

will be an expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance to the

sound of Apple's drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER development or

updates for Blind Fold games.

In addition, developer only made money within a three-month period following

release of games; otherwise, it's flat land here and there.

I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?  Oh

wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY

accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!

Anyway, if I can find more extracts from the developer, I'll post in this

space.

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, Colorado

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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Josh Kennedy 
hi tereesa, did you know that your kindle is actually a slightly 
modified android? in fact all kindles are just amazon's own take on 
android. so by using a kindle, you are already using well amazon's android.




On 11/9/2017 16:39, Teresa wrote:
I think this is a perfect opportunity to brainstorm in a positive way 
about possible options. My philosophy is to go with whatever works.If 
Android works in this situation, let's go for it. I have a Windows PC, 
iDevices, possibly a Mac soon, and a Kindle, and I use them for 
different purposes. I will happily switch to an Android device to play 
these games.


Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

On Nov 9, 2017, at 13:29, Josh Kennedy > wrote:






 Forwarded Message 
Subject:RE: blindfold games for android
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 -0800
From:   Judy Jones 
Reply-To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com



Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe 
that because they have been told it.


Judy

*From:*eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy

*Sent:* Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
*To:* eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
Inc.

*Subject:* Re: blindfold games for android

oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or 
partially accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with 
android gingerbread and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but 
starting with jellybean in 2012 android accessibility began to 
greatly catch up with IOS. These days its just as good as apple 
stuff, but without the high development costs of apple. I had a 
tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My android 
marshmallow tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android 
nougat and the later oreo will be even better. but not really because 
everything in android is an app. so i get webview virtual web buffer 
updates and talkback updates and accessibility API updates even 
though my devices may still be on android marshmallow and lollipop.


On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.  Why?

Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the new

format for continued development.  Developer believes that such a migration

will be an expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance to the

sound of Apple's drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER development or

updates for Blind Fold games.

In addition, developer only made money within a three-month period following

release of games; otherwise, it's flat land here and there.

I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?  Oh

wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY

accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!

Anyway, if I can find more extracts from the developer, I'll post in this

space.

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, Colorado

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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Teresa 
I think this is a perfect opportunity to brainstorm in a positive way about 
possible options. My philosophy is to go with whatever works.If Android works 
in this situation, let's go for it. I have a Windows PC, iDevices, possibly a 
Mac soon, and a Kindle, and I use them for different purposes. I will happily 
switch to an Android device to play these games.

Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 13:29, Josh Kennedy  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  RE: blindfold games for android
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 -0800
> From: Judy Jones 
> Reply-To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
> To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
> 
> Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe that 
> because they have been told it.
>
> Judy
>
>
> From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
> To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Subject: Re: blindfold games for android
>
> oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or partially 
> accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android gingerbread 
> and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with jellybean in 2012 
> android accessibility began to greatly catch up with IOS. These days its just 
> as good as apple stuff, but without the high development costs of apple. I 
> had a tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My android 
> marshmallow tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android nougat and 
> the later oreo will be even better. but not really because everything in 
> android is an app. so i get webview virtual web buffer updates and talkback 
> updates and accessibility API updates even though my devices may still be on 
> android marshmallow and lollipop.
> 
>
> 
>
> On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:
> Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.  Why?
> Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the new
> format for continued development.  Developer believes that such a migration
> will be an expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance to the
> sound of Apple's drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER development or
> updates for Blind Fold games.
>
> In addition, developer only made money within a three-month period following
> release of games; otherwise, it's flat land here and there.
>
> I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?  Oh
> wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY
> accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!
>
> Anyway, if I can find more extracts from the developer, I'll post in this
> space.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Liam Erven 
Okay seriously. I haven’t chimed in until now, but…
I’m really tired of the multiple messages saying the same thing. Also getting 
annoyed with the forwards from other lists about essentially the same topic.
If you feel that Marty should invest time in to Android versions of his games, 
then please email him off list.
Enough is enough already.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:29 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android




 Forwarded Message  
Subject: RE: blindfold games for androidDate: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 
-0800From: Judy Jones Reply-To: 
eyes-free@googlegroups.comTo: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com


Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe that because 
they have been told it.
 
Judy
 
 
From: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: Re: blindfold games for android
 
oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or partially 
accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android gingerbread 
and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with jellybean in 2012 
android accessibility began to greatly catch up with IOS. These days its just 
as good as apple stuff, but without the high development costs of apple. I had 
a tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and it worked fine. My android marshmallow 
tablet is better than that one and I'm sure android nougat and the later oreo 
will be even better. but not really because everything in android is an app. so 
i get webview virtual web buffer updates and talkback updates and accessibility 
API updates even though my devices may still be on android marshmallow and 
lollipop. 
 
 
On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:
Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.  Why?
Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the new
format for continued development.  Developer believes that such a migration
will be an expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance to the
sound of Apple's drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER development or
updates for Blind Fold games.  
 
In addition, developer only made money within a three-month period following
release of games; otherwise, it's flat land here and there.
 
I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?  Oh
wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY
accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!
 
Anyway, if I can find more extracts from the developer, I'll post in this
space.
 
Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
 
 

Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Josh Kennedy 




 Forwarded Message 
Subject:RE: blindfold games for android
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:12 -0800
From:   Judy Jones 
Reply-To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com



Yes, but there are really blind people out there who still believe that 
because they have been told it.


Judy

*From:*eyes-f...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eyes-f...@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy

*Sent:* Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:47 AM
*To:* eyes-f...@googlegroups.com; Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
*Subject:* Re: blindfold games for android

oh come on you gotta be kidding me! android not accessible or partially 
accessible? that is rediculous! maybe that was true with android 
gingerbread and icecream sandwitch in 2010 and 2011 but starting with 
jellybean in 2012 android accessibility began to greatly catch up with 
IOS. These days its just as good as apple stuff, but without the high 
development costs of apple. I had a tablet running on 4.1 jellybean and 
it worked fine. My android marshmallow tablet is better than that one 
and I'm sure android nougat and the later oreo will be even better. but 
not really because everything in android is an app. so i get webview 
virtual web buffer updates and talkback updates and accessibility API 
updates even though my devices may still be on android marshmallow and 
lollipop.


On 11/9/2017 12:37, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote:

   Josh, you won't need to buy an iOS device for the Blind Fold games.  Why?

   Well, Apple changed some format; the developer MUST MIGRATE to the new

   format for continued development.  Developer believes that such a migration

   will be an expensive proposition and therefore unwilling to dance to the

   sound of Apple's drums!  Therefore, there shall be NO FURTHER development or

   updates for Blind Fold games.

   In addition, developer only made money within a three-month period following

   release of games; otherwise, it's flat land here and there.

   I wonder why the developer never gave thought to developing for Android?  Oh

   wait, I know; Android IS NOT accessible!!  No, it is ONLY PARTIALLY

   accessible and NOT ENOUGH blind users!!

   Anyway, if I can find more extracts from the developer, I'll post in this

   space.

   Sincerely,

   Olusegun

   Denver, Colorado

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Re: [blind-gamers] blindfold games for android

2017-11-09 Thread Josh Kennedy 




 Forwarded Message 
Subject:RE: blindfold games for android
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:27:13 -0800
From:   Judy Jones 
Reply-To:   eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
To: eyes-f...@googlegroups.com



You got that right!  And I think this is a great idea.  I have seen some 
of the games and they would be really worthwhile to have on Android in 
the play store.


Judy

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*On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy

*Sent:* Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:23 AM
*To:* eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* blindfold games for android

hi

are there any developers on the list here who would have the time and 
who would be willing to work with marty to get the blindfold games 
ported to android and into the google play store? just curious. i don't 
want to buy an apple device just for some games and itunes is quite 
annoying.


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