Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[David Ferrin]

Yes my friend and you were a tremendous help with that project, I thank you 
once again for saving me probably another week's work.
David Ferrin
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- Original Message - 
From: Max Robinson 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


I saw many of the files on the handy man site when I helped David edit them. 
There were many references to diagrams and figures. When Ray gets back from 
vacation perhaps he can give me the URL sources so I can go there, see the 
figure and then write a description.

Regards.

Max. K 4 O D S.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

> HI, Max, I think that is a fine idea discriptions always help. 
> regards don
> - Original Message - 
> From: Max Robinson
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
> I have a further suggestion. When information is posted that includes a
> reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the
> help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure. I
> have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share 
> of
> the work.
>
> Regards.
>
> Max. K 4 O D S.
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Victor Gouveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > If I can weigh in here for a minute.
> >
> > I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was
> > anything wrong with it.
> >
> > I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 
> 200
> > members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a 
> small
> > portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don
> > Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had 
> some
> > usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be 
> from
> > a blind or sighted perspective.
> >
> > There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed 
> with
> > Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member 
> on
> > the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and
> > moderator.
> >
> > If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction 
> that
> > it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus,
> > there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm 
> sure
> > you get along with, at least, one of them.
> >
> > Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not 
> on
> > list.
> >
> > When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner 
> and
> > moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the
> > subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list 
> practises
> > and allowances should be kept off-list.
> >
> > Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he
> > should include the original website address with his posts, this serves
> > two purposes...
> >
> > First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and
> > allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their
> > favourites list.
> >
> > Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out 
> if
> > there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it.
> >
> > I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, 
> in
> > a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to 
> be
> > useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there
> > might have been an addendum to the article that would've included

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Max Robinson]

I saw many of the files on the handy man site when I helped David edit them. 
There were many references to diagrams and figures.  When Ray gets back from 
vacation perhaps he can give me the URL sources so I can go there, see the 
figure and then write a description.

Regards.

Max.  K 4 O D S.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> HI,  Max,  I think that is a fine idea  discriptions always help. 
> regards don
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Max Robinson
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:58 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  I have a further suggestion. When information is posted that includes a
>  reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the
>  help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure. I
>  have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share 
> of
>  the work.
>
>  Regards.
>
>  Max. K 4 O D S.
>
>  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net
>  Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net
>  Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com
>
>  To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to,
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: "Victor Gouveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: 
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  > Hi All,
>  >
>  > If I can weigh in here for a minute.
>  >
>  > I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was
>  > anything wrong with it.
>  >
>  > I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 
> 200
>  > members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a 
> small
>  > portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don
>  > Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had 
> some
>  > usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be 
> from
>  > a blind or sighted perspective.
>  >
>  > There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed 
> with
>  > Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member 
> on
>  > the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and
>  > moderator.
>  >
>  > If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction 
> that
>  > it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus,
>  > there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm 
> sure
>  > you get along with, at least, one of them.
>  >
>  > Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not 
> on
>  > list.
>  >
>  > When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner 
> and
>  > moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the
>  > subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list 
> practises
>  > and allowances should be kept off-list.
>  >
>  > Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he
>  > should include the original website address with his posts, this serves
>  > two purposes...
>  >
>  > First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and
>  > allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their
>  > favourites list.
>  >
>  > Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out 
> if
>  > there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it.
>  >
>  > I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, 
> in
>  > a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to 
> be
>  > useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there
>  > might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that
>  > subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me.
>  >
>  > In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate 
> to
>  > work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible
>  > application.
>  >
>  > Victor Gouveia
>  &g

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[spiro]

in your defense Tom.
I recently read a book on tape from NLS. I forget their RC#.
But it was called "Windows for Dummies". I am one.
I thought it would help.
Now reading along so far, carefully tells you alot. But it all comes 
crashing down right here!
The book was full of, "right click" and "double click on the ..."
and i read the whole thing, (gaining alot on windows structure) and found 
no key stroke commands.
Now, my complete frustration makes me ask, "why would NLS put it on tape? 
Just for the *oherwise print impared?" So those who can't hold a book, or 
the dyslexic will benefit, and I think that's great.
But even a readers note would have been helpful.
So i can, and we've all been there,
feelthat frustration.


On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Tom Fowle wrote:

> All,
> I had unintensionally offended ray and have appologized porfusely to him
> privately.
>
> I will cease complaining about this subject for ever.
> first because I was wrong, second because I regret offending
> anybody especially Ray who does so much
> hard and very worthwhile research.
>
> sorry, I'll try to be better.
> Tom
>
>
>
> To listen to the show archives go to link
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> or
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>
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>
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> http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>
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> List Members At The Following Address:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[spiro]

similarly, even though it may be advertising, there have been some 
articles that explain what a unit or substance will and will not do (CYA 
on the part of the company) and that is informative as well. Even if it's 
main benefit was to keep the company from getting hauled into liability 
cases.
so I am thankful, if even what I have learned often, is that I am under 
experienced for what much of what the other guys can do.
Info is knowledge, and fore warned is fore armed, and isn't that half an 
octopus?



On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Geoff Eden wrote:

> I'm confused by the discussion, I don't know of many things in the world 
> easier to do then press the delete key.  In particular, with respect to 
> advertising, some of the material on power tools has been invaluable.  It's 
> the kind of thing that it would take a lot of time to search for.
>
> Geoff
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Fowle
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
> Mickey,
> HERE HERE! In spades.
>
> Although there may be some argument made that some visual techniquues may
> help some low vision folks, I delete any and all articles
> that do the following:
> 1. discribe a technique from a visual point of view:
> 2. promote a product by its manufacturer re: copy advertising.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> To listen to the show archives go to link
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> or
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>
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>
> The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
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>
> Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various 
> List Members At The Following Address:
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Tom Fowle]

don,
Again, I have never said there shouldn't be forwards although, since it is
a subject to continue, I do worry about copyright attribution and sources
on some of them, but it ain't my kneck if some site owner finds out this list
has been illegally publishing copyrighted material.

I'd vote to continue as it is as long as the general subject of
handyman work is kept.

and yes, I do know where my delete key is.

I do, however, resent your implication that I even suggested no forwarsdon,
Again, I have never said there shouldn't be forwards although, since it is
a subject to continue, I do worry about copyright attribution and sources
on some of them, but it ain't my kneck if some site owner finds out this list
has been illegally publishing copyrighted material.

I'd vote to continue as it is as long as the general subject of
handyman work is kept.

and yes, I do know where my delete key is.

I do, however, resent your implication that I even suggested no forwards
 because I didn't.

enough allready!
Tom

didn't.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Don]

HI,  Max,  I think that is a fine idea  discriptions always help.   regards don
  - Original Message - 
  From: Max Robinson 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  I have a further suggestion. When information is posted that includes a 
  reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the 
  help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure. I 
  have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share of 
  the work.

  Regards.

  Max. K 4 O D S.

  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  - Original Message - 
  From: "Victor Gouveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  > Hi All,
  >
  > If I can weigh in here for a minute.
  >
  > I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was 
  > anything wrong with it.
  >
  > I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 
  > members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small 
  > portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don 
  > Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some 
  > usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from 
  > a blind or sighted perspective.
  >
  > There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with 
  > Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on 
  > the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and 
  > moderator.
  >
  > If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that 
  > it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus, 
  > there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure 
  > you get along with, at least, one of them.
  >
  > Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on 
  > list.
  >
  > When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and 
  > moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the 
  > subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises 
  > and allowances should be kept off-list.
  >
  > Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he 
  > should include the original website address with his posts, this serves 
  > two purposes...
  >
  > First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and 
  > allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their 
  > favourites list.
  >
  > Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if 
  > there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it.
  >
  > I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in 
  > a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be 
  > useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there 
  > might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that 
  > subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me.
  >
  > In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to 
  > work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible 
  > application.
  >
  > Victor Gouveia
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  > To listen to the show archives go to link
  > http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
  > or
  > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
  >
  > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
  > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
  >
  > The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
  > http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
  >
  > Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
  > Various List Members At The Following Address:
  > http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
  > Visit the new archives page at the following address
  > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/
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  > list just send a blank message to:
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  >
  >
  >
  >
  > 



   

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Armando Del Gobbo]

Aren't we taking this a little too far?  Everyone should be able to express 
an opinion, and that opinion should be respected!  If there is no agreement, 
I am sure that we all know where the delete key is located!  I believe there 
is always someone who benefits from the information!

- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Mickey,  if you don't like the list unsubscribe,  just get the hell 
> out...Don
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be 
> about how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I 
> simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward 
> the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was 
> not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question 
> and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty 
> treatment for asking an honest question.
>
>  Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the moderator 
> agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then 
> I was mistaken.
>
>  At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.
>
>  -- Mickey
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: David Ferrin
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  This is great as we won't be without a research department in your 
> absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.
>  David Ferrin
>  personal email address
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>  Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Ray Boyce
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  Hi Mickey
>
>  As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going
>  on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be
>  interesting to see what you can come up with.
>  Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your
>  responses along these lines.
>
>  Ray
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: 
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>  >
>  > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it 
> has
>  > been interesting.
>  >
>  > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>  >
>  >
>  > - Original Message - 
>  > From: Mickey Fixsen
>  > To: Blind Handyman
>  > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi all.
>  >
>  > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>  > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that 
> is
>  > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include 
> the
>  > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>  > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information 
> posted
>  > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>  >
>  > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are 
> greatly
>  > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness 
> techniques
>  > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>  > encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It 
> is
>  > of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. 
> There
>  > are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for
>  > sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of
>  > how to do these things as a blind person.
>  >
>  > This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear 
> what
>  > others think.
>  >
>  > Thanks-- Mickey
>  >
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Dan Rossi]

I have to agree with everyone on this, (nothing like a strong stance).

When I first saw Mickey's and Tom's messages, I agreed with them to a 
certain degree.  Sometimes there is virtually nothing I can get out of 
certain posts, but other times the posts are extremely useful.  I am 
extremely liberal with the delete key but I subscribe to a number of lists 
work and none work related and my delete key is getting a bit tired.

Never-the-less, I would much rather have Ray and others out there doing 
the research with the occasional clinker in there rather than always have 
to do it myself.

So, I prefer that we keep things as they were, and there is really no 
reason at all for anyone to "get the hell out of here".

There are a number of people on this list who are pretty much amateurs 
like myself, a number of folks who are just lurkers, and a few who are 
exceptionally valuable for their hands on experience.  I include Mickey, 
Tom, and Dale as well as a few others who I can't remember at the moment, 
in this category.

this is a tremendously useful list and I would rather not see it get 
ripped up in flames over a misunderstanding.  So let's get back on the 
track of building things.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Breeze]

When I was a kid, I just got tired of waiting for the sighted friends to 
bend and straighten, bend and straighten their nails and I just got better 
than them.

Breeze

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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, rj wrote:

> No! that wasn't the way the first blind man did it. He had a wife who said
> either you pound that nail in straight or I am going to pound you. Believe
> me it worked here.
> smiling
> - Original Message -
> From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>> Since it's come down to a vote I say lets keep things the way they are
> now.
>> How did the first blind man to drive a nail figure out how to do it.  He
>> first learned how a sighted person did it because that was the only
>> information available.  Then he adapted the sighted method and worked out
>> how he could do it without seeing the hammer and nail.  Let's stick with
> it.
>> I use my delete key a lot and I won't say on what.  It's no big deal.
>> Listen to jaws read a sentence or so, reach for the delete key, and click,
>> it's gone.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Max.  K 4 O D S.
>>
>
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[rj]

No! that wasn't the way the first blind man did it. He had a wife who said
either you pound that nail in straight or I am going to pound you. Believe
me it worked here.
smiling
- Original Message - 
From: "Max Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Since it's come down to a vote I say lets keep things the way they are
now.
> How did the first blind man to drive a nail figure out how to do it.  He
> first learned how a sighted person did it because that was the only
> information available.  Then he adapted the sighted method and worked out
> how he could do it without seeing the hammer and nail.  Let's stick with
it.
> I use my delete key a lot and I won't say on what.  It's no big deal.
> Listen to jaws read a sentence or so, reach for the delete key, and click,
> it's gone.
>
> Regards.
>
> Max.  K 4 O D S.
>



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Max Robinson]

I have a further suggestion.  When information is posted that includes a 
reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the 
help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure.  I 
have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share of 
the work.

Regards.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Victor Gouveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Hi All,
>
> If I can weigh in here for a minute.
>
> I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was 
> anything wrong with it.
>
> I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 
> members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small 
> portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don 
> Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some 
> usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from 
> a blind or sighted perspective.
>
> There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with 
> Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on 
> the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and 
> moderator.
>
> If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that 
> it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator.  I mean, Jesus, 
> there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure 
> you get along with, at least, one of them.
>
> Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on 
> list.
>
> When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and 
> moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the 
> subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises 
> and allowances should be kept off-list.
>
> Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he 
> should include the original website address with his posts, this serves 
> two purposes...
>
> First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and 
> allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their 
> favourites list.
>
> Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if 
> there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it.
>
> I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in 
> a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be 
> useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there 
> might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that 
> subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me.
>
> In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to 
> work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible 
> application.
>
> Victor Gouveia
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Max Robinson]

Since it's come down to a vote I say lets keep things the way they are now. 
How did the first blind man to drive a nail figure out how to do it.  He 
first learned how a sighted person did it because that was the only 
information available.  Then he adapted the sighted method and worked out 
how he could do it without seeing the hammer and nail.  Let's stick with it. 
I use my delete key a lot and I won't say on what.  It's no big deal. 
Listen to jaws read a sentence or so, reach for the delete key, and click, 
it's gone.

Regards.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> OK Tom, you have had your saynow I will tell you the way things are 
> going to,.  be,.
> Yes it is a black/white/ yes no issue.We the moderators, that put the 
> time and effort in this list, sure don't have the extra time, to read each 
> post, in order to  decide is this a sited how to,.   are a blind how 
> too issue.does this post pertain to the sited are the blind.   Besides 
> I think that most folks on this list, wouldn't want us to sincer the list 
> postings like that...
> I personally like to hear the sited way of doing some projects, then 
> adaptingthe project to do  the blind way, that I would need to do  the 
> same project.  If the post does not pertain to me,  well I sure know where 
> to find the delete key!!!.
> I would rather have the sited way to do a thing,   rather than, the other 
> choice,  That would be know info at all.  grin.
> So again Tom and  list it will  need to be one way are the other.  And I 
> am sure not saying  that this needs to be a list of  forwards,.  Know way. 
> But some forwards from time to time In my way of thinking are OK.  But We 
> will do what the biggest part of the list member ship wants to do...
> And know this thread will not end now,.
> We will take comments on this issue,.   until tomorrow afternoon,  and 
> then I will talk to the list moderators, then we will  talk about what the 
> list wants, and then post the results.  Then the thread will end.  At that 
> time the members that don't like the way it worked out, can sure feel free 
> to unsubscribe.
> Regards Don
>
>  - Original Message ----- 
>  From: Tom Fowle
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:55 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  don,
>  In no way do I want there to be no forwards on the list.
>  I simply thought, from my own personal viewpoint, that some wer so 
> visually
>  oreinted as to be of little use.
>  However I see that many like such and
>  therefore withdraw the objections I had, particularly as I
>  offended the researchers which i had no intent to do.
>
>  I said I would not post on this subject again,
>  but had too because I didi not mean
>  to imply any such hard
>  bound rule at all and don't want to be seen to have promoted such an 
> idea.
>
>  Please do not make a black and white yes/no situation
>  out of something that was a discussion.
>
>  and let's, as David F. says, end it here.
>  tom
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[R & S Enterprises]

Well if we are voting or taking a survey, I like things just as they are. 
Sure I have deleted a lot of stuff but I find some real diamonds as well as 
just goood stuff.
Ron
- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Hi list,  There are choices on this list.  We can either have information 
> forwards on this list for various projects, that folks take the time and 
> effort to edit and post.Are on the other hand, we  can  have 
> absolutely  know forwards on the list,.  us the moderators, can do what 
> the majority wants to do,.I sure won't   discontinue   the forwards 
> just because  Tom and Mickey want that,.  as far as I am concerned they 
> can always unsubscribe, if they don't like the information, that comes 
> across this list,.But again if most folks don't want the forwarded 
> information, we can sure put an end to any forwards.  write some  posting 
> rules to this, list and end all forwards.   if that is what you want.. Don
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:21 AM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>
>  As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has 
> been interesting.
>
>  Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>
>  - Original Message ----- 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: Blind Handyman
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  Hi all.
>
>  I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
> list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
> intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
> techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
> Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
> to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>
>  Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
> appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
> for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
> encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
> of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
> are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
> sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
> how to do these things as a blind person.
>
>  This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
> others think.
>
>  Thanks-- Mickey
>
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Jeff Kisecker]

I too didn't think that Mickey's post was at all offensive, he was just
asking for some additional information and assistance from the blindness
prospective.  Every list has to have some controversy once in a while, let
the thread work itself out.

Thanks, Jeff

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:43 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


Hi All,

If I can weigh in here for a minute.

I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was anything
wrong with it.

I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200
members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small
portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don
Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some
usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from a
blind or sighted perspective.

There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with
Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on
the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and
moderator.

If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that
it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus,
there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure you
get along with, at least, one of them.

Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on
list.

When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and
moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the
subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises
and allowances should be kept off-list.

Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he should
include the original website address with his posts, this serves two
purposes...

First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and
allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their
favourites list.

Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if
there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it.

I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in a
way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be
useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there might
have been an addendum to the article that would've included that subtle
difference that would have adapted the article to suit me.

In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to
work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible
application.

Victor Gouveia

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi All,

If I can weigh in here for a minute.

I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was anything 
wrong with it.

I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 
members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small 
portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don Shaw, 
or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some usable 
vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from a blind or 
sighted perspective.

There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with 
Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on the 
list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and moderator.

If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that it 
is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator.  I mean, Jesus, there 
are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure you get 
along with, at least, one of them.

Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on list.

When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and 
moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the subject 
should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises and 
allowances should be kept off-list.

Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he should 
include the original website address with his posts, this serves two purposes...

First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and allows 
for added ability of the reader to add the website to their favourites list.

Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if 
there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it.

I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in a way 
what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be useless to 
me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there might have been an 
addendum to the article that would've included that subtle difference that 
would have adapted the article to suit me.

In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to work 
alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible application.

Victor Gouveia

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[jim]

  thanks jay
i couldn't have said it better my self
jim
At 06:42 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Don,
>I found Tom's and Mickey's post well-considered and civilized. Every list
>occasionally does a self-review of one sort or another and this is one of
>the beauties of how these things work. I'm deeply disappointed in your
>reactions. A suggestion such as "Get the hell out" is both unbecoming and
>uncalled-for unless the person to whom it was directed has proven to be
>malicious in intention. Please!!! listen to your last two responses.
>Jay
>- Original Message -
>From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
> > Mickey,  if you don't like the list unsubscribe,  just get the hell
>out...Don
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: Mickey Fixsen
> >   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
> >
> >
> >   All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be
>about how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply
>stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the
>sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at
>all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did
>get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for
>asking an honest question.
> >
> >   Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the
>moderator agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If
>so, then I was mistaken.
> >
> >   At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.
> >
> >   -- Mickey
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: David Ferrin
> >   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
> >
> >   This is great as we won't be without a research department in your
>absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.
> >   David Ferrin
> >   personal email address
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: Ray Boyce
> >   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
> >
> >   Hi Mickey
> >
> >   As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am
>going
> >   on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be
> >   interesting to see what you can come up with.
> >   Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your
> >   responses along these lines.
> >
> >   Ray
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >   To: 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
> >
> >   > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
> >   >
> >   > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it
>has
> >   > been interesting.
> >   >
> >   > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > - Original Message -
> >   > From: Mickey Fixsen
> >   > To: Blind Handyman
> >   > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
> >   > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Hi all.
> >   >
> >   > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
> >   > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that
>is
> >   > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include
>the
> >   > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
> >   > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information
>posted
> >   > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
> >   >
> >   > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are
>greatly
> >   > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness
>techniques
> >   > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
> >   > encouragement to hear how other blind people 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Don]

OK Tom, you have had your saynow I will tell you the way things are going 
to,.  be,.
Yes it is a black/white/ yes no issue.We the moderators, that put the time 
and effort in this list, sure don't have the extra time, to read each post, in 
order to  decide is this a sited how to,.   are a blind how too issue.
does this post pertain to the sited are the blind.   Besides I think that most 
folks on this list, wouldn't want us to sincer the list postings like that...
I personally like to hear the sited way of doing some projects, then adapting   
 the project to do  the blind way, that I would need to do  the same project.  
If the post does not pertain to me,  well I sure know where to find the delete 
key!!!.  
I would rather have the sited way to do a thing,   rather than, the other 
choice,  That would be know info at all.  grin.
So again Tom and  list it will  need to be one way are the other.  And I am 
sure not saying  that this needs to be a list of  forwards,.  Know way.  But 
some forwards from time to time In my way of thinking are OK.  But We will do 
what the biggest part of the list member ship wants to do...
And know this thread will not end now,.  
We will take comments on this issue,.   until tomorrow afternoon,  and then I 
will talk to the list moderators, then we will  talk about what the list wants, 
and then post the results.  Then the thread will end.  At that time the members 
that don't like the way it worked out, can sure feel free to unsubscribe.
Regards Don

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Fowle 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  don,
  In no way do I want there to be no forwards on the list.
  I simply thought, from my own personal viewpoint, that some wer so visually
  oreinted as to be of little use.
  However I see that many like such and
  therefore withdraw the objections I had, particularly as I 
  offended the researchers which i had no intent to do.

  I said I would not post on this subject again,
  but had too because I didi not mean
  to imply any such hard
  bound rule at all and don't want to be seen to have promoted such an idea.

  Please do not make a black and white yes/no situation
  out of something that was a discussion.

  and let's, as David F. says, end it here.
  tom



   

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Dale Leavens]

Come on guys! Knock it off!

Mickey expressed a perfectly reasonable frustration and it is not the first 
reference to that sort of frustration I have seen on this list. Some things 
are probably not fully appropriate, I have forwarded or copied stuff to the 
list when I thought it to be relevant to a current or past discussion never 
knowing for certain it would still be of interest or value to someone. 
Therefore, although I put a different view on Mickey's post I also want to 
say I am not fully opposed to the sentiment. I will add that though it 
sometimes happens that probably inappropriate stuff does get posted it is 
also true that it doesn't happen all that often compared with many lists I 
follow.

Mickey has tested the waters, I expect has a sense of the general attitude 
of the group and I am certain, from his posts that he has the intelligence 
to make his own decisions about remaining subscribed or not.

Frankly, his loss would be the loss of a valuable resource here. I find 
myself pausing and waiting before posting at times now because he is here 
and often provides excellent information here so that I don't feel the need 
to do so. There are a few here with varied experience to share and I don't 
like to think that we would not want to keep them feeling welcome and 
thereby lose their valuable contribution.

If, as I am told, there are about 200 subscribers to this list we don't need 
to worry any of them that something they might say will result in this sort 
of response.

Mickey, I am not a principal in this group or the list so I have no more 
standing than you but that notwithstanding I want you to know I am sorry, I 
apologies for what I consider to be extreme and unreasonable treatment.



Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Mickey,  if you don't like the list unsubscribe,  just get the hell 
> out...Don
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be 
> about how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I 
> simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward 
> the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was 
> not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question 
> and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty 
> treatment for asking an honest question.
>
>  Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the moderator 
> agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then 
> I was mistaken.
>
>  At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.
>
>  -- Mickey
>  - Original Message ----- 
>  From: David Ferrin
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  This is great as we won't be without a research department in your 
> absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.
>  David Ferrin
>  personal email address
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Ray Boyce
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  Hi Mickey
>
>  As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going
>  on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be
>  interesting to see what you can come up with.
>  Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your
>  responses along these lines.
>
>  Ray
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: 
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>  >
>  > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it 
> has
>  > been interesting.
>  >
>  > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>  >
>  >
>  > - Original Message - 
>  > From: Mickey Fixsen
>  > To: Blind Handyman
>  > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>  >
>  >
&

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Mickey Fixsen]

Don,

Why all the hostilaty?  It is certainly not called for.

The original question was fair, polite, and legitimate.  It was asked simply to 
see how others felt.  It did that and then, for some reason, you and a couple 
of others get nasty toward me.  It makes no sense.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Don 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell out...Don
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Fixsen 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about 
how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my 
frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, 
in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to 
anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest 
answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest 
question.

  Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the moderator 
agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I 
was mistaken.

  At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.

  -- Mickey
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence 
Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. 
  David Ferrin
  personal email address 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Boyce 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  Hi Mickey

  As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going 
  on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be 
  interesting to see what you can come up with.
  Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your 
  responses along these lines.

  Ray
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
  >
  > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has 
  > been interesting.
  >
  > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Mickey Fixsen
  > To: Blind Handyman
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
  >
  >
  > Hi all.
  >
  > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
  > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
  > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
  > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
  > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
  > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
  >
  > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
  > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
  > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
  > encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
  > of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
  > are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
  > sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
  > how to do these things as a blind person.
  >
  > This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
  > others think.
  >
  > Thanks-- Mickey
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Ralph Supernaw]

I agree, Jay.  Mickey asked a legitimate question.  Some agreed and some
disagreed.  I suspect enough agreed that things will continue pretty much as
is.  However, things have gone from disagreements over a legitimate question
to...I'm not sure what.
 
Even though I didn't agree with Mickey's position  I sure hope he remains on
the list and continues his valuable contributions.  
 
Ralph

  _  

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jay Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:42 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques



Dear Don,
I found Tom's and Mickey's post well-considered and civilized. Every list
occasionally does a self-review of one sort or another and this is one of
the beauties of how these things work. I'm deeply disappointed in your
reactions. A suggestion such as "Get the hell out" is both unbecoming and
uncalled-for unless the person to whom it was directed has proven to be
malicious in intention. Please!!! listen to your last two responses.
Jay
- Original Message -
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:n5gbi%40cox.net> >
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

> Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell
out...Don
> - Original Message -
> From: Mickey Fixsen
> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
> All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be
about how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply
stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the
sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at
all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did
get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for
asking an honest question.
>
> Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the
moderator agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If
so, then I was mistaken.
>
> At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.
>
> -- Mickey
> - Original Message -----
> From: David Ferrin
> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
> This is great as we won't be without a research department in your
absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.
> David Ferrin
> personal email address
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:dpf%40jaws-users.com> com
> Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
> - Original Message -
> From: Ray Boyce
> To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
> Hi Mickey
>
> As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am
going
> on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be
> interesting to see what you can come up with.
> Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your
> responses along these lines.
>
> Ray
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:mfixsen%40avalon.net> net>
> To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
> > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
> >
> > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it
has
> > been interesting.
> >
> > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mickey Fixsen
> > To: Blind Handyman
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
> > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
> >
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
> > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that
is
> > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include
the
> > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
> > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information
posted
> > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
> >
> > Granted, some posts

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Jay Williams]

Dear Don,
I found Tom's and Mickey's post well-considered and civilized. Every list
occasionally does a self-review of one sort or another and this is one of
the beauties of how these things work. I'm deeply disappointed in your
reactions. A suggestion such as "Get the hell out" is both unbecoming and
uncalled-for unless the person to whom it was directed has proven to be
malicious in intention. Please!!! listen to your last two responses.
Jay
- Original Message -
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Mickey,  if you don't like the list unsubscribe,  just get the hell
out...Don
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Mickey Fixsen
>   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>   All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be
about how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply
stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the
sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at
all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did
get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for
asking an honest question.
>
>   Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the
moderator agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If
so, then I was mistaken.
>
>   At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.
>
>   -- Mickey
>   - Original Message -----
>   From: David Ferrin
>   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>   This is great as we won't be without a research department in your
absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.
>   David Ferrin
>   personal email address
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
>   ----- Original Message -
>   From: Ray Boyce
>   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>   Hi Mickey
>
>   As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am
going
>   on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be
>   interesting to see what you can come up with.
>   Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your
>   responses along these lines.
>
>   Ray
>   - Original Message -
>   From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>   > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>   >
>   > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it
has
>   > been interesting.
>   >
>   > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>   >
>   >
>   > - Original Message -
>   > From: Mickey Fixsen
>   > To: Blind Handyman
>   > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>   > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi all.
>   >
>   > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>   > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that
is
>   > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include
the
>   > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>   > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information
posted
>   > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>   >
>   > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are
greatly
>   > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness
techniques
>   > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>   > encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It
is
>   > of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision.
There
>   > are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information
for
>   > sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information
of
>   > how to do these things as a blind person.
>   >
>   > This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear
what
>   > others think.
>   >
>   > Thanks-- Mickey
>   >
>   > --
>   >
>   > No virus found in this outgoing message.
>

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Tom Fowle]

don,
In no way do I want there to be no forwards on the list.
I simply thought, from my own personal viewpoint, that some wer so visually
oreinted as to be of little use.
However I see that many like such and
therefore withdraw the objections I had, particularly as I 
offended the researchers which i had no intent to do.

I said I would not post on this subject again,
but  had too because I didi not mean
to imply any such hard
bound rule at all and don't want to be seen to have promoted such an idea.

Please do not make a black and white yes/no situation
out of something that was a discussion.

and let's, as David F. says, end it here.
tom



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Robert J. Moore]

 As far as forwards go
If they are about finnishing wood or some thing that I  have no interest in
I just delete them
But if they are about cars or chain saws or some thing that I am interested
in I will take the time to read them.
So I have no problem with the curent format. I think it works out just fine.





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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Don]

Mickey,  if you don't like the list unsubscribe,  just get the hell out...Don
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Fixsen 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about 
how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my 
frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, 
in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to 
anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest 
answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest 
question.

  Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the moderator 
agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I 
was mistaken.

  At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.

  -- Mickey
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence 
Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. 
  David Ferrin
  personal email address 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Boyce 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  Hi Mickey

  As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going 
  on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be 
  interesting to see what you can come up with.
  Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your 
  responses along these lines.

  Ray
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
  >
  > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has 
  > been interesting.
  >
  > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Mickey Fixsen
  > To: Blind Handyman
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
  >
  >
  > Hi all.
  >
  > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
  > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
  > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
  > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
  > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
  > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
  >
  > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
  > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
  > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
  > encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
  > of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
  > are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
  > sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
  > how to do these things as a blind person.
  >
  > This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
  > others think.
  >
  > Thanks-- Mickey
  >
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[one foxy lady]

I like the way yall do it now please do not change I like them forwards and 
do not have the time or the wherefore to look all that up myself.
So I vote to leave a good thing the way it is!

Hailley

- Original Message - 
From: "Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Hi list,  There are choices on this list.  We can either have information 
> forwards on this list for various projects, that folks take the time and 
> effort to edit and post.Are on the other hand, we  can  have 
> absolutely  know forwards on the list,.  us the moderators, can do what 
> the majority wants to do,.I sure won't   discontinue   the forwards 
> just because  Tom and Mickey want that,.  as far as I am concerned they 
> can always unsubscribe, if they don't like the information, that comes 
> across this list,.But again if most folks don't want the forwarded 
> information, we can sure put an end to any forwards.  write some  posting 
> rules to this, list and end all forwards.   if that is what you want.. Don
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:21 AM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>
>  As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has 
> been interesting.
>
>  Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>
>  - Original Message ----- 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: Blind Handyman
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>  Hi all.
>
>  I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
> list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
> intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
> techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
> Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
> to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>
>  Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
> appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
> for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
> encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
> of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
> are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
> sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
> how to do these things as a blind person.
>
>  This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
> others think.
>
>  Thanks-- Mickey
>
>  --
>
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>
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> Various List Members At The Following Address:
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Don]

Hi list,  There are choices on this list.  We can either have information 
forwards on this list for various projects, that folks take the time and effort 
to edit and post.Are on the other hand, we  can  have absolutely  know 
forwards on the list,.  us the moderators, can do what the majority wants to 
do,.I sure won't   discontinue   the forwards just because  Tom and Mickey 
want that,.  as far as I am concerned they can always unsubscribe, if they 
don't like the information, that comes across this list,.But again if most 
folks don't want the forwarded  information, we can sure put an end to any 
forwards.  write some  posting rules to this, list and end all forwards.   if 
that is what you want.. Don
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Fixsen 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  Thanks to all who replied to this issue.

  As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been 
interesting.

  Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Fixsen 
  To: Blind Handyman 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  Hi all.

  I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list 
that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended 
for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and 
procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting 
to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness 
techniques needed to do the Job?

  Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for 
doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of 
little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are 
plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted 
people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these 
things as a blind person.

  This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
others think.

  Thanks-- Mickey

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Jay Williams]

Hi, Mickey and the list,
Nothing wrong with "how-to" posts as such, but in recent times it seems to
me that a virtual flood os such came along with little heed paid as to their
relevance to their usefulness to us. Many of us are on several lists and
there comes a time when a certain feng shui response must take over. If am,
of course, not advising that such collecting from other sites cease. I
simply suggest that whomever posts one looks at it and considers its
relevance.
Jay
- Original Message -
From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about
how a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs.  I simply
stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the
sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job.  I was not
at all rude or nasty to anyone.  I think this is a very fair question and it
did get some honest answers.  I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment
for asking an honest question.
>
> Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the moderator
agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all.  If so, then
I was mistaken.
>
> At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.
>
> --  Mickey
>   - Original Message -
>   From: David Ferrin
>   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>   This is great as we won't be without a research department in your
absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.
>   David Ferrin
>   personal email address
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Ray Boyce
>   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>   Hi Mickey
>
>   As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am
going
>   on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be
>   interesting to see what you can come up with.
>   Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your
>   responses along these lines.
>
>   Ray
>   - Original Message -
>   From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
>   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>   > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>   >
>   > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it
has
>   > been interesting.
>   >
>   > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>   >
>   >
>   > - Original Message -
>   > From: Mickey Fixsen
>   > To: Blind Handyman
>   > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>   > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi all.
>   >
>   > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>   > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that
is
>   > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include
the
>   > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>   > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information
posted
>   > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>   >
>   > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are
greatly
>   > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness
techniques
>   > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>   > encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It
is
>   > of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision.
There
>   > are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information fo
r
>   > sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information
of
>   > how to do these things as a blind person.
>   >
>   > This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear
what
>   > others think.
>   >
>   > Thanks-- Mickey
>   >
>   > --
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>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Mickey Fixsen]

All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about how 
a "blind" person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs.  I simply stated my 
frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, 
in no way, how a blind person can do the job.  I was not at all rude or nasty 
to anyone.  I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest 
answers.  I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest 
question.

Maybe it's really just a "post anything you want as long as the moderator 
agrees with you list" and really isn't about blindness at all.  If so, then I 
was mistaken.

At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective.

--  Mickey
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence 
Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. 
  David Ferrin
  personal email address 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Boyce 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  Hi Mickey

  As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going 
  on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be 
  interesting to see what you can come up with.
  Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your 
  responses along these lines.

  Ray
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

  > Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
  >
  > As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has 
  > been interesting.
  >
  > Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
  >
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Mickey Fixsen
  > To: Blind Handyman
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
  >
  >
  > Hi all.
  >
  > I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
  > list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
  > intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
  > techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
  > Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
  > to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
  >
  > Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
  > appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
  > for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
  > encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
  > of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
  > are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
  > sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
  > how to do these things as a blind person.
  >
  > This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
  > others think.
  >
  > Thanks-- Mickey
  >
  > --
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  >
  >
  > To listen to the show archives go to link
  > http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
  > or
  > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
  >
  > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
  > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
  >
  > The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
  > http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
  >
  > Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
  > Various List Members

Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[David Ferrin]

This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. 
 good of you to leave the list in such capable hands.  
David Ferrin
personal email address 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Consciousness is that annoying time between naps.
- Original Message - 
From: Ray Boyce 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


Hi Mickey

As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going 
on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be 
interesting to see what you can come up with.
Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your 
responses along these lines.

Ray
- Original Message - 
From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

> Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>
> As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has 
> been interesting.
>
> Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: Mickey Fixsen
> To: Blind Handyman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
> list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
> intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
> techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
> Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
> to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>
> Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
> appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
> for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
> encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
> of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
> are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
> sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
> how to do these things as a blind person.
>
> This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
> others think.
>
> Thanks-- Mickey
>
> --
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
> To listen to the show archives go to link
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> or
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>
> The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>
> The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
> http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>
> Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
> Various List Members At The Following Address:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
> Visit the new archives page at the following address
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Ray Boyce]

Hi Mickey

As I do a lot of   the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going 
on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be 
interesting to see what you can come up with.
Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your 
responses along these lines.

Ray
- Original Message - 
From: "Mickey Fixsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Thanks to all who replied to this issue.
>
> As expected, the responses are extremely varied.  If nothing else, it has 
> been interesting.
>
> Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.
>
>
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mickey Fixsen
>  To: Blind Handyman
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
>
>
>  Hi all.
>
>  I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
> list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
> intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
> techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
> Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
> to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>
>  Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
> appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
> for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
> encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
> of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
> are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
> sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
> how to do these things as a blind person.
>
>  This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
> others think.
>
>  Thanks-- Mickey
>
>  --
>
>  No virus found in this outgoing message.
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>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
> To listen to the show archives go to link
> http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
> or
> ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
>
> The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>
> The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
> http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>
> Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
> Various List Members At The Following Address:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
> Visit the new archives page at the following address
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[David Ferrin]

Well it's most likely time for us to put this thread to bed and get on with 
fixing things, of course only my opinion.  
David Ferrin
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Tom Fowle]

trouble,
Yes, of course, we all know all that, my unjustified complaint is
just derived from frustration with the sighted world, sometimes I let it
show in inappropriate ways.

Tom



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[one foxy lady]

preach it brother!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Trouble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> Your post is interesting, but totally one sided and that is from a
> blind point of view.
> Be nice if there was direction for jobs and products for the blind
> along with the sighted. However, no matter what you think or say.
> Many people out there in todays society still get amazed that we can
> even do the most simple things being blind. Things that if a sighted
> person said it they wouldn't even give it a second thought.
> By knowing how the sighted do it, and your own abilities. You can
> come up with a reasonable way of doing something people didn't think
> you could do in the first place.
> If you want a example of just how much people or friends think of
> your blindness. Tell them that you cook or something simple that you
> know wouldn't get a response from a sighted person doing it, check
> there response. That alone is why things have no direction or even a
> clue out side of directions for the sighted. They make up the mass
> selling populous therefor get the easy way out. its up to us to
> figure out the blind way of doing things, and sharing that with
> others on a list such as this.
>
> At 11:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to
>>this list that are simply a rehash of information available out
>>there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted
>>does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done
>>as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require
>>the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to
>>do the Job?
>>
>>
>>
>>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are
>>greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share
>>blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person.
>>It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people
>>are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how
>>to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and
>>the internet to find information for sighted people. There is
>>virtually no other place to get information of how to do these
>>things as a blind person.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear
>>what others think.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks-- Mickey
>>
>>   --
>>
>>No virus found in this outgoing message.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006
>>
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>To listen to the show archives go to link
>>  http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
>>or
>>ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
>>
>>The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
>>http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>>
>>The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
>>http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>>
>>Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions
>> From Various List Members At The Following Address:
>>http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
>>Visit the new archives page at the following address
>>http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/
>>For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy
>>Man list just send a blank message to:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> Tim
> trouble
> Blindeudora list owner.
> To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora
>
>
>
>
> To listen to the show archives go to link
> http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
> or
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>
> The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>
> The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
> http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>
> Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
> Various List Members At The Following Address:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
> Visit the new archives page at the following address
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Trouble]

Your post is interesting, but totally one sided and that is from a 
blind point of view.
Be nice if there was direction for jobs and products for the blind 
along with the sighted. However, no matter what you think or say. 
Many people out there in todays society still get amazed that we can 
even do the most simple things being blind. Things that if a sighted 
person said it they wouldn't even give it a second thought.
By knowing how the sighted do it, and your own abilities. You can 
come up with a reasonable way of doing something people didn't think 
you could do in the first place.
If you want a example of just how much people or friends think of 
your blindness. Tell them that you cook or something simple that you 
know wouldn't get a response from a sighted person doing it, check 
there response. That alone is why things have no direction or even a 
clue out side of directions for the sighted. They make up the mass 
selling populous therefor get the easy way out. its up to us to 
figure out the blind way of doing things, and sharing that with 
others on a list such as this.

At 11:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>
>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to 
>this list that are simply a rehash of information available out 
>there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted 
>does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done 
>as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require 
>the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to 
>do the Job?
>
>
>
>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are 
>greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share 
>blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. 
>It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people 
>are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how 
>to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and 
>the internet to find information for sighted people. There is 
>virtually no other place to get information of how to do these 
>things as a blind person.
>
>
>
>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear 
>what others think.
>
>
>
>Thanks-- Mickey
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Tom Fowle]

All,
I had unintensionally offended ray and have appologized porfusely to him
privately.

I will cease complaining about this subject for ever.
first because I was wrong, second because I regret offending
anybody especially Ray who does so much
hard and very worthwhile research.

sorry, I'll try to be better.
Tom



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Trouble]

>Like Dale stated some inf can help. I like knowing how things are 
>done with sight, because I know I will have to adapt that way to my 
>way without sight. Even if the person is knolleged in how it should 
>be done fo a blind person. I still want both ways of doing it. In 
>that information I have offten found better ways of doing it for me.

The starting point is always information. Weather its for sighted or 
blind. You alone can de side wiether you can handle the job or need 
someone else to do it.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Mickey Fixsen]

Thanks to all who replied to this issue.

As expected, the responses are extremely varied.  If nothing else, it has been 
interesting.

Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Fixsen 
  To: Blind Handyman 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  Hi all.

  I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list 
that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended 
for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and 
procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting 
to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness 
techniques needed to do the Job?

  Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for 
doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of 
little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are 
plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted 
people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these 
things as a blind person.

  This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
others think.

  Thanks-- Mickey

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Geoff Eden]

I like to think of myself as well-informed on wood working and finishing, but I 
have, on numerous occasions, learn something new from the general postings.  In 
particular, to our good friend Ray, from down under, keep it up!

Geoff
- Original Message - 
From: one foxy lady 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


Well as a blind female and should I need to have some major repairs done 
which I do have some patio issues hanging over my head and I asked this list 
for some info pertaining to what I needed to do to have it fixed and I 
received a ton of excellent information on the subject..
I of course will not do the repairs myself, but I like being aware of what 
it takes to have the job done correctly and the tools/supplies are all 
visual products but least I will know if I'm getting a good deal on the job 
rather than being in the dark and having to go alone with whatever is 
suggested at the time when it could be a less expensive way for me..
I appreciate the wealth of info that is provided on this list many many 
things I never knew of.
So as far as I'm concerned I think this list is well worth the efforts all 
is put forth into and the researching of said products weather blind or 
sighted do it is irrelevant..

Hailley

- Original Message - 
From: "jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> hi mickey i agree totaly.
> jim
> At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>>list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is
>>intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the
>>techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>>Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted
>>to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>>
>>
>>
>>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly
>>appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques
>>for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>>encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is
>>of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There
>>are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for
>>sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of
>>how to do these things as a blind person.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what
>>others think.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks-- Mickey
>>
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>>
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>>
>>To listen to the show archives go to link
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>>or
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>>
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>>http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>>
>>The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
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>>
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>>Various List Members At The Following Address:
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Geoff Eden]

I'm confused by the discussion, I don't know of many things in the world easier 
to do then press the delete key.  In particular, with respect to advertising, 
some of the material on power tools has been invaluable.  It's the kind of 
thing that it would take a lot of time to search for.

Geoff

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Fowle 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


Mickey,
HERE HERE! In spades.

Although there may be some argument made that some visual techniquues may
help some low vision folks, I delete any and all articles
that do the following:
1. discribe a technique from a visual point of view:
2. promote a product by its manufacturer re: copy advertising.

Tom



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[David Ferrin]

Like I said yesterday afternoon, if anybody isn't happy with the level of 
research that is being done on here by various list members then by all means 
please do better if you can.  Everybody will benefit from it I'm sure.  In 
other words quit complaining about it already because it seems to me that in a 
lot of ways it's up to us to adapt our skills to what ever job is it at hand.  
David Ferrin
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- Original Message - 
From: Ken Hawk 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


Mickey, I'm totally blind, and agree with you.
Ken
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From: "jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

> hi mickey i agree totaly.
> jim
> At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>>list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is
>>intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the
>>techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>>Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted
>>to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>>
>>
>>
>>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly
>>appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques
>>for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>>encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is
>>of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There
>>are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for
>>sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of
>>how to do these things as a blind person.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what
>>others think.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks-- Mickey
>>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[rj]

Lee,

I agree with this statement,. Two years ago was my last roofing job. And it
isn't because I am blind, just old.
RJ



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Lee A. Stone]

I know from what I have learned from this list in the last few years 
that a previous contractor   gave it a shove with no vasaline  for my 
roofing job. that is why we are replacing a roof in less than 20 years. 
actually only 2 out of 8 contractors this past year have suggested, as 
you have on this list  installing the heavier shingles. I will not do 
this job as in my opinion  the roof is far to steep for someone who is 
not a trained roofer. nothing to do with blindness. Like Hailey , I want 
to know what to expect, what to feel and if I get screwed this time, it 
is my fault. . actually the man I am waiting for did a Friends roof 
early this ummer j just a block away.. I have done a few small jobs 
working with pvc pipe  and it was because I learned  from this list , so 
I extend a hand of thanks to all who share what they know. Lee, PS, I 
could use a full time plumber but could not afford the rates to keep up 
with things that go wrong in a house which was built  I think in 1951 
and it was built in a hurry, as we slowly find out. Lee


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Ken Hawk]

Mickey, I'm totally blind, and agree with you.
Ken
- Original Message - 
From: "jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> hi mickey i agree totaly.
> jim
> At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>>list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is
>>intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the
>>techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>>Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted
>>to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>>
>>
>>
>>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly
>>appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques
>>for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>>encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is
>>of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There
>>are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for
>>sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of
>>how to do these things as a blind person.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what
>>others think.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks-- Mickey
>>
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>>or
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>>http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>>
>>The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
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>>
>>Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From
>>Various List Members At The Following Address:
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> or
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> http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Kevin Doucet]

Hi,

Well, when I read a post about something I want to know about as a 
blindie, I ask the list for advice.

At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi all.
>
>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to 
>this list that are simply a rehash of information available out 
>there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted 
>does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done 
>as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require 
>the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to 
>do the Job?
>
>
>
>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are 
>greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share 
>blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. 
>It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people 
>are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how 
>to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and 
>the internet to find information for sighted people. There is 
>virtually no other place to get information of how to do these 
>things as a blind person.
>
>
>
>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear 
>what others think.
>
>
>
>Thanks-- Mickey
>
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>
>To listen to the show archives go to link
>  http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
>or
>ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
>
>The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
>http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>
>The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
>http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>
>Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions 
> From Various List Members At The Following Address:
>http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
>Visit the new archives page at the following address
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Thanks.



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http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday

The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml

Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Dale Leavens]

I would add to what Ralph has said that sometimes the best way to figure out 
a blind way of doing something is to understand the usual way sighted people 
do it, not because they are sighted but because understanding what is 
required permits one to improvise.

I learned how to sweat copper pipe from the clerk in a hardware store. He 
didn't actually teach me but he described thoroughly how it is done. The man 
didn't have a grade 8 education but he also didn't have the presumption that 
I shouldn't be told.

Now here is the thing as I perceive it; I cannot observe many things being 
done, television programming frequently is insufficiently narrated, the few 
books I have looked into depend on photographs and drawings partly because 
it is clear but I suspect partly because the authors lack clarity of 
intellect and/or language to be able to logically and sequentially write out 
the description.

I am often struck by the information not present when reading a catalogue or 
browsing the Web for goods and services and usually frustrated by the trivia 
and tripe the descriptions contain. I have to believe that it is because the 
image provides the information lacking in the text.

Well of course I actually know that is not true the objective is to shift 
cash from my possession to that of the vendor which most seem to think is 
more easily done on an emotional level than a factual and intellectual level 
but I digress.

Some times it is just better to understand the process then work out how to 
achieve it without sight.

Perhaps Tom will remember us working through the sweating of copper pipe 
with the Educational Assistant and young high school lad a couple of years 
ago. She did not know the process so that is where we started then how I 
achieve it. Doubtless she had to improvise further to teach him how to 
achieve it and she did. There is, in my opinion, some merit in description 
of how things are done if for no other reason than to help grasp the 
concepts that sighted people can acquire by observation.

Another example that comes up in my life fairly often is having a sighted 
person tell me how to get somewhere. They don't describe the route the way I 
would describe it to another blind person, much of what they use for 
guidance has no meaning for me at all and they never or rarely have much 
sense of what might be meaningful in way finding for me but, with their 
input I am often armed with a good starting point to find my way in my way.

That reminds me, I should drop that lady a note to see how things are 
getting along, she must be an exceptional woman.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph Supernaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


>I agree that what makes this list especially useful are the tips and
> explanations for how to do things the blind way.  I can see some value in
> the information that does not pertain specifically to blind ways.  One of
> the challenges of being blind is that finding information is more
> time-consuming and difficult than for sighted people.  Therefore, it is 
> nice
> to have that information run through my inbox. (actually my Blind Handyman
> folder).  I can imagine that for those of you who have more knowledge and
> experience than a someone like me might get irritated at having tow weed
> through it all.
>
> Bottom line, though, is that the tips and discussions about how to do 
> things
> the blind way are the cream.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To listen to the show archives go to link
> http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
> or
> ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
>
> The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
> http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
>
> The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
> http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
>
> Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
> Various List Members At The Following Address:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
> Visit the new archives page at the following address
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Bob]

Cool,  Then it sounds like you solved your own problem.  Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Fowle 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


  Mickey,
  HERE HERE! In spades.

  Although there may be some argument made that some visual techniquues may
  help some low vision folks, I delete any and all articles
  that do the following:
  1. discribe a technique from a visual point of view:
  2. promote a product by its manufacturer re: copy advertising.

  Tom



   

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Tom Fowle]

Mickey,
HERE HERE! In spades.

Although there may be some argument made that some visual techniquues may
help some low vision folks, I delete any and all articles
that do the following:
1. discribe a technique from a visual point of view:
2. promote a product by its manufacturer re: copy advertising.

Tom



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[David Ferrin]

People who post instructions and or information on how to do things can only 
offer what is available to them during the course of their research.  Now 
having said that if anybody feels that this information is lacking in some form 
or another then by all means find and post more detailed instructions for the 
blind if you can find it.  In other words if you can do better then go right 
ahead and do so.  We'll all benefit from it I'm sure.  
David Ferrin
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- Original Message - 
From: Ralph Supernaw 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


I agree that what makes this list especially useful are the tips and
explanations for how to do things the blind way. I can see some value in
the information that does not pertain specifically to blind ways. One of
the challenges of being blind is that finding information is more
time-consuming and difficult than for sighted people. Therefore, it is nice
to have that information run through my inbox. (actually my Blind Handyman
folder). I can imagine that for those of you who have more knowledge and
experience than a someone like me might get irritated at having tow weed
through it all.

Bottom line, though, is that the tips and discussions about how to do things
the blind way are the cream.

Ralph



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Ralph Supernaw]

I agree that what makes this list especially useful are the tips and
explanations for how to do things the blind way.  I can see some value in
the information that does not pertain specifically to blind ways.  One of
the challenges of being blind is that finding information is more
time-consuming and difficult than for sighted people.  Therefore, it is nice
to have that information run through my inbox. (actually my Blind Handyman
folder).  I can imagine that for those of you who have more knowledge and
experience than a someone like me might get irritated at having tow weed
through it all.
 
Bottom line, though, is that the tips and discussions about how to do things
the blind way are the cream.
 
Ralph
 
 


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[one foxy lady]

Well as a blind female and should I need to have some major repairs done 
which I do have some patio issues hanging over my head and I asked this list 
for some info pertaining to what I needed to do to have it fixed and I 
received a ton of excellent information on the subject..
I of course will not do the repairs myself, but I like being aware of what 
it takes to have the job done correctly and the tools/supplies are all 
visual products but least I will know if I'm getting a good deal on the job 
rather than being in the dark and having to go alone with whatever is 
suggested at the time when it could be a less expensive way for me..
I appreciate the wealth of info that is provided on this list many many 
things I never knew of.
So as far as I'm concerned I think this list is well worth the efforts all 
is put forth into and the researching of said products weather blind or 
sighted do it is irrelevant..

Hailley

- Original Message - 
From: "jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques


> hi mickey i agree totaly.
> jim
> At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this
>>list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is
>>intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the
>>techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person.
>>Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted
>>to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>>
>>
>>
>>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly
>>appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques
>>for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and
>>encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is
>>of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There
>>are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for
>>sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of
>>how to do these things as a blind person.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what
>>others think.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[jim]

hi mickey i agree totaly.
jim
At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:

>Hi all.
>
>I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this 
>list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is 
>intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the 
>techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. 
>Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted 
>to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job?
>
>
>
>Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
>appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques 
>for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
>encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is 
>of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There 
>are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for 
>sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of 
>how to do these things as a blind person.
>
>
>
>This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what 
>others think.
>
>
>
>Thanks-- Mickey
>
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>Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From 
>Various List Members At The Following Address:
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[BlindHandyMan] blind techniques

[Mickey Fixsen]

Hi all.

I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list 
that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended 
for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and 
procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting 
to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness 
techniques needed to do the Job?



Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly 
appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for 
doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and 
encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of 
little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are 
plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted 
people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these 
things as a blind person.



This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others 
think.



Thanks-- Mickey

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To listen to the show archives go to link
 http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
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ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/

The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday

The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is.
http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml

Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various 
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http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/
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