Re: command line tool for this task?
I use pine here and alpine for the office, do those count? On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tim here. Yep, assuming you use mail(1) to read your mail and have it configured to send mail for you, you should be able create a template and send mail by creating a shell-script like $ cat send_thanks.sh #!/bin/sh EMAIL="$1" SUBJECT="$2" NAME="$3" GIFT="$4" mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" < Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be a part of Shellworld using Ubuntu? Kare On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change? https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi folks, Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, specifically shellworld.net what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email. What I mean is this. I have the name and email of a contributor.?? I create the body, but wish to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc. Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of solution? thanks, Karen ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: command line tool for this task?
Tim here. Yep, assuming you use mail(1) to read your mail and have it configured to send mail for you, you should be able create a template and send mail by creating a shell-script like $ cat send_thanks.sh #!/bin/sh EMAIL="$1" SUBJECT="$2" NAME="$3" GIFT="$4" mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" < Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be a > part of Shellworld using Ubuntu? > Kare > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > >Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with > >variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change? > > > >https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring > > > >On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, > >> specifically shellworld.net > >> > >> what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a > >> file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email. > >> What I mean is this. > >> I have the name and email of a contributor.?? I create the body, but wish > >> to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc. > >> Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of > >> solution? > >> thanks, > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > > > >___ > >Blinux-list mailing list > >Blinux-list@redhat.com > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: command line tool for this task?
On 16/10/23 15:15, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be a part of Shellworld using Ubuntu? It's standard shell syntax, and has been for decades. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: command line tool for this task?
Is this program a part of the standard Linux shell therefore likely to be a part of Shellworld using Ubuntu? Kare On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change? https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi folks, Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, specifically shellworld.net what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email. What I mean is this. I have the name and email of a contributor. I create the body, but wish to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc. Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of solution? thanks, Karen ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: command line tool for this task?
Have you considered using a here document in a shell script, with variables that can be supplied for those parts of the text that change? https://www.baeldung.com/linux/heredoc-herestring On 16/10/23 14:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi folks, Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, specifically shellworld.net what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email. What I mean is this. I have the name and email of a contributor. I create the body, but wish to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc. Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of solution? thanks, Karen ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
command line tool for this task?
Hi folks, Let me begin by stating that my access to Linux is a shell service, specifically shellworld.net what I am seeking is a tool likely to be included that lets me create a file I will then use as a gift acknowledgment letter sent via email. What I mean is this. I have the name and email of a contributor. I create the body, but wish to change slight details, their name, the amount their email etc. Is there a tool in command line Linux that will provide this sort of solution? thanks, Karen ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
UMAI v0.4.1: Welcome on Ubuntu Mate 23.10!
Hello everyone, ubuntu Mate 23.10 is a fresh release of the popular Linux distribution, shipping the latest and greatest the Linux accessibility infrastructure can offer. I'm happy to announce my umai script: https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai for auto-setting-up UM for accessibility, now supports also this new release of Ubuntu. I apologize for a slight delay, I wanted to make sure everything works as expected. My tests show very satisfying results, so I can't but say "Hey everyone, welcome on Ubuntu Mate 23.10!" Happy Minotaur rides! Best regards Rastislav ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
As root or root using sudo: usermod -aG brlapi where is the name of the user account to be added to the brlapi group. Then reboot. As the user, type groups and you should see brlapi as a group your user is in then. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > You should make sure your user is part of the brlapi group. Since this a USB > display, it should automatically be detected, and then work in orca, once you > check the box in the braille tab of preferences. > > - Original Message - > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:59:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions? > > > Have you run brltty yet? That's usually what enables braille in linux and > > I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific > > switches to use to get your display running. > > > > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided > > > regarding my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is > > > because this is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q > > > ancient knowledge in terms of using Linux. > > > > > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used > > > a remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the > > > visual information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into > > > a virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist > > > in installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is > > > figure out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think > > > it might be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I > > > don't think orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my > > > particular display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a > > > Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell > > > version has one additional issue that might cause more problems than > > > could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive > > > like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora > > > might identify it as? Any thoughts? > > > > > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in > > > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation > > > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by > > > hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make > > > anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability > > > in addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. > > > Which forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that > > > I've written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please > > > reach out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is > > > hoping all are having a good Monday? > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
You should make sure your user is part of the brlapi group. Since this a USB display, it should automatically be detected, and then work in orca, once you check the box in the braille tab of preferences. - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:59:23 -0400 Subject: Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions? > Have you run brltty yet? That's usually what enables braille in linux and > I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific > switches to use to get your display running. > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding > > my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this > > is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge > > in terms of using Linux. > > > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a > > remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual > > information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a > > virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in > > installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure > > out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might > > be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think > > orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my particular > > display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI > > 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one > > additional issue that might cause more problems than could be solved in > > Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive like appearance in > > both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora might identify it as? > > Any thoughts? > > > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in > > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation > > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by > > hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make > > anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in > > addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which > > forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that I've > > written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach > > out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all > > are having a good Monday? > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
Have you run brltty yet? That's usually what enables braille in linux and I hope someone using your display responds since they may provide specific switches to use to get your display running. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Mon, 9 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding my > choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this is > what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge in > terms of using Linux. > > I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a > remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual > information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a virtual > machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in installing > and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure out how to > enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might be easier to > attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think orca has any > type of really usable braille driver for my particular display. I of course > could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the > 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one additional issue that might > cause more problems than could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual > physical hard drive like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know > just how Fedora might identify it as? Any thoughts? > > Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in > Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation > software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by hand > I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make anything > that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in addition > to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which forces me to > use dictation software. So if there's something that I've written in the text > of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach out to me and asked me > what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all are having a good Monday? > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
My Linux installation decision, and some questions?
Hello, I just wanted to let everyone know what I finally decided regarding my choice of distribution. I decided on Fedora Linux, this is because this is what I originally learned some of my hopefully not Q ancient knowledge in terms of using Linux. I wanted to briefly take a moment and explain how I got this done. I used a remote visual interpretation service named Aira to read all of the visual information that comes on the screen when installing clinics, into a virtual machine. The good news is the agent even stuck around to assist in installing and configuring orca. The only thing I now need to do is figure out how to enable braille access. I'm kind of beginning to think it might be easier to attempt to install braille TTY? This is because I don't think orca has any type of really usable braille driver for my particular display. I of course could be wrong. I am currently using a Brailliant BI 40 X. I can also use the 20 cell version. But the 20 cell version has one additional issue that might cause more problems than could be solved in Linux. This device has an actual physical hard drive like appearance in both Mac OS and Windows. I don't know just how Fedora might identify it as? Any thoughts? Finally, I know some are wondering why is this message being generated in Outlook. Especially in time and Windows. This is because the dictation software that I am using only runs in Windows. If I had to write this by hand I think the amount of mistakes and syntax errors etc. would make anything that I write by hand probably unreadable. I have 1/3 disability in addition to being DeafBlind. I have a written expression disorder. Which forces me to use dictation software. So if there's something that I've written in the text of this message, that doesn't make sense please reach out to me and asked me what did I really intend to say? Here is hoping all are having a good Monday? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
The pipewire-pulse process is a replacement for pulse audio functionality. On 10/9/23 03:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, The default setting in Bookworm is to have in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf: AudioOutputMethod "pulse" Pipewire is not listed among the possibilities and after having started orca, "ps -ef | grep pipewire" come empty. Orca --version says: 43.1 So if pipewire can be used in this context (which I do not know), this is not out of the box. Cheers, Didier Le 09/10/2023 à 04:34, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : d I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called pipewire-pulse. I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all. I may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember at the moment. On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop. Orca was already installed, but not started in mate From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root: apt-get install espeakup. Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with: speakup_soft I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual sound card and did not care for which voice to use. Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in this console. But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console. This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer, thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card: load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly. However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods. Cheers, Didier Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure Speakup or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with Speakup. You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. This is the section on Speech support. https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text console and have both working at the same time. On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh logins from another computer using the command-line or console mode. Orca never did anything except an occasional halting error message. Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast and all seems well so far. Now for some questions: I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. This is the standard debian install installation image one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable. Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh host key unless one copies the same key to all instances. Otherwise the syste
Re: Debian with Orca
As I understand it, pipewire hit maturity early enough to be included in Debian 12 aka Bookworm, but too late to replace pulse as the default, and one has to manually install pipewire and configure Debian to use it instead of pulse(though I suppose its possible the Expert mode of the Debian Installer provides the option)... I vaguely remember reading somewhere(perhaps on this mailing list or in a thread on the Audio Games forum) that Debian plans to make pipewire the default for Debian 13 aka Trixie, but I have no idea if that's true or even how to go about confirming or denying it. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
Hi, The default setting in Bookworm is to have in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf: AudioOutputMethod "pulse" Pipewire is not listed among the possibilities and after having started orca, "ps -ef | grep pipewire" come empty. Orca --version says: 43.1 So if pipewire can be used in this context (which I do not know), this is not out of the box. Cheers, Didier Le 09/10/2023 à 04:34, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > d I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called > pipewire-pulse. I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all. I > may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember > at the moment. > > > > On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so >> tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop. >> >> Orca was already installed, but not started in mate >> >> From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root: >> apt-get install espeakup. >> >> Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with: >> speakup_soft >> >> I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual >> sound card and did not care for which voice to use. >> >> Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking >> in >> this console. >> >> But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console. >> >> This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default >> setting >> in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in >> /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer, >> thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card: >> >> load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix >> >> >> This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly. >> >> However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as >> stated in >> the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods. >> >> Cheers, >> Didier >> >> Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : >>> In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure >>> Speakup >>> or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with >>> Speakup. >>> You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. >>> >>> This is the section on Speech support. >>> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support >>> >>> ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text >>> console and have both working at the same time. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>> In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian >>>> Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been >>>> trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity >>>> thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as >>>> twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it >>>> was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in >>>> the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh >>>> logins from another computer using the command-line or console >>>> mode. >>>> >>>> Orca never did anything except an occasional halting >>>> error message. >>>> >>>> Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb >>>> drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced >>>> to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well >>>> as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the >>>> slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The >>>> orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast >>>> and all seems well so far. >>>> >>>> Now for some questions: >>>> >>>> I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have >>>> been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss >>>> having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if >>>> I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. >>>> >>>> This is the standard debian install installation
Re: Debian with Orca
d I think Bookworm uses Pipewire, so on my system there is a process called pipewire-pulse. I don't think you have to have pulse audio running at all. I may have disabled it using 'systemctl' or uninstalled it, but I can't remember at the moment. On 10/8/23 10:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop. Orca was already installed, but not started in mate From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root: apt-get install espeakup. Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with: speakup_soft I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual sound card and did not care for which voice to use. Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in this console. But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console. This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer, thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card: load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly. However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods. Cheers, Didier Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure Speakup or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with Speakup. You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. This is the section on Speech support. https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text console and have both working at the same time. On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh logins from another computer using the command-line or console mode. Orca never did anything except an occasional halting error message. Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast and all seems well so far. Now for some questions: I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. This is the standard debian install installation image one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable. Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh host key unless one copies the same key to all instances. Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think something's wrong when they see the different host keys. I would also like to say some good words about slint. I was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card. One such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card which worked perfectly for the speakup voice plus I also tried another very inexpensive sound card which also worked with no difference between the Creative Labs and the sound card whose name escapes me, but slint couldn't automatically find this laptop's
Re: Debian with Orca
Storm_Dragon ought to be the one to fix that deficiency since he wrote fenrir. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Sun, 8 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Certainly those Debian instructions are interesting reading-and-guidance, but > while there is 1 mention of Fenrir as a link to where Debian packages are, > there seems no adequate description as there is for Speakup. > Chime > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
Certainly those Debian instructions are interesting reading-and-guidance, but while there is 1 mention of Fenrir as a link to where Debian packages are, there seems no adequate description as there is for Speakup. Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
Hi, I happen to have Debian 12 Bookworm installed in a Qemu virtual machine, so tried, using lightdm as login manager and mate as desktop. Orca was already installed, but not started in mate From mate-terminal I could install espeakup typing as root: apt-get install espeakup. Then as advised edited /etc/modules to include a line with: speakup_soft I did not edit /etc/default/espeakup as in this VM there is only one virtual sound card and did not care for which voice to use. Then switching to tty2 pressing ctrl-alt-f2 did indeed make espeakup talking in this console. But if I start Orca in mate-terminal I can't get speech in the text console. This reminds me a discussion I had with Samuel long ago: as is a default setting in Slint I suggested to also include in Debian a line like this in /etc/pulse/default.pa to redirect the pulse's output stream to alsa's mixer, thus avoiding that both pulse and alsa claim the same card: load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix This was not accepted for some reason that I do not recall exactly. However you could instead try to use one of the other screenreaders as stated in the Debian wiki. Caveat: I did not try these other methods. Cheers, Didier Le 08/10/2023 à 15:37, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure > Speakup > or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with > Speakup. > You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. > > This is the section on Speech support. > > https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support > > ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text > console and have both working at the same time. > > > > On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian >> Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been >> trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity >> thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as >> twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it >> was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in >> the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh >> logins from another computer using the command-line or console >> mode. >> >> Orca never did anything except an occasional halting >> error message. >> >> Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb >> drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced >> to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well >> as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the >> slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The >> orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast >> and all seems well so far. >> >> Now for some questions: >> >> I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have >> been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss >> having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if >> I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. >> >> This is the standard debian install installation image >> one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without >> any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On >> some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 >> and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are >> maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On >> this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to >> exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems >> to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I >> want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If >> necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and >> install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this >> is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable. >> Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh >> host key unless one copies the same key to all instances. >> Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think >> something's wrong when they see the different host keys. >> >> I would also like to say some good words about slint. I >> was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I >> could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card. One >> such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card >> which worked perfectly for the speakup voice pl
Re: Debian with Orca
In order to have speech in the text consoles, you need to make sure Speakup or BRLTTY or another screenreader is active. It works just fine with Speakup. You may want to read the Debian accessibility FAQ. This is the section on Speech support. https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Speech_Support ORCA will be on console 7 by default, and you can easily switch to a text console and have both working at the same time. On 10/7/2023 1:54 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh logins from another computer using the command-line or console mode. Orca never did anything except an occasional halting error message. Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast and all seems well so far. Now for some questions: I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. This is the standard debian install installation image one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable. Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh host key unless one copies the same key to all instances. Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think something's wrong when they see the different host keys. I would also like to say some good words about slint. I was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card. One such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card which worked perfectly for the speakup voice plus I also tried another very inexpensive sound card which also worked with no difference between the Creative Labs and the sound card whose name escapes me, but slint couldn't automatically find this laptop's built-in sound card. Everything else in slint that I tried appears to have no problems . Sound system hardware is so proprietary that audio issues in Linux are like grains of sand on the beach, common and gritty when you have to deal with them. So, my primary question is am I missing something about the command consoles? The mate terminal seems to be working but it's not quite the same as a command-line console. Martin ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
Aptitude includes fields for compressed(persumably the size of the .deb) and uncompressed(presumably how much space the installed package will take up) sizes for each package, but that's just for that package I can see the total installed size of a package on my rpm-based Fedora system, but I don't see the compressed size, nor do I see either size for the package along with its dependencies. That said, I just used dnf info to look up the package information; I didn't refine the query in any way. there are lots of things I can find out about rpm packages, I'm just not sure the total compressed or installed size of all dependencies is one of those things I can look up. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Debian with Orca
On 10/7/23 19:54, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: So, my primary question is am I missing something about the command consoles? The mate terminal seems to be working but it's not quite the same as a command-line console. If you are on a laptop, the FN key might be playing a role. When USB is at play, I will consider buying something with the UASP protocol. -- John Doe ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Debian with Orca
In a seemingly endless trek to get both Windows 11 and debian Linux from a 3-year-old laptop I recently acquired, I had been trying to install debian Linux with orca on to a large-capacity thumb drive. The debian bullseye installs were taking as long as twelve hours or so to do and when I finally got one to finish, it was as slow as molasses in January or the same thing in July in the Southern hemisphere and was completely useless except for ssh logins from another computer using the command-line or console mode. Orca never did anything except an occasional halting error message. Finally, I took a one-terabyte Crucial (Brand name) usb drive and decided to try that. The twelve-hour marathon reduced to less than an hour and the orca installation is talking as well as it does on a desktop system, here. The real problem was the slowness of data transfer in and out of the usb thumb drive. The orca screen reader and mate terminal are responding nicely and fast and all seems well so far. Now for some questions: I am not new to orca but, in the couple of years I have been trying it on the desktop and now, the laptop, I really miss having a command-line console which I can get with no problem if I ssh in to either orca system with a command-line Linux box. This is the standard debian install installation image one can download and it found the laptop sound interface without any special measures such as installing a usb sound card . On some systems, you do get command-line consoles by pressing Control+Alt+F2 and you can go back to the GUI by Control+Alt+f1. I think there are maybe 5 more command-line consoles in which speakup talks. On this installation, Control+Alt+f2 prompts one to type a command or ESC to exit. One of the other just kills speech and nothing much seems to happen. Like the spoiled rich kid on Christmas morning, I want it all but not in a nasty way so I am not complaining. If necessary, I could get another hopefully fast usb drive and install debian without the GUI and get the consoles but since this is a laptop, every extra piece of gear makes it less portable. Also, Every instance of Linux one makes will have a different ssh host key unless one copies the same key to all instances. Otherwise the systems you are using ssh to talk to think something's wrong when they see the different host keys. I would also like to say some good words about slint. I was able to get a command-line set of consoles but the only way I could get anything to talk was to plug in a usb sound card. One such card was a Creative Labs SoundBlaster series usb sound card which worked perfectly for the speakup voice plus I also tried another very inexpensive sound card which also worked with no difference between the Creative Labs and the sound card whose name escapes me, but slint couldn't automatically find this laptop's built-in sound card. Everything else in slint that I tried appears to have no problems . Sound system hardware is so proprietary that audio issues in Linux are like grains of sand on the beach, common and gritty when you have to deal with them. So, my primary question is am I missing something about the command consoles? The mate terminal seems to be working but it's not quite the same as a command-line console. Martin ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
Now I'm curious... Is there a way to get a report on any of the following?: -The Installed size of a package and all it's dependencies. -The download size of a package and all it's dependencies. -The install size of a package, its dependencies, and its recommends. -The download size of a package, its dependencies, and its recommends. Preferably for Apt-based systems(I know Suse is RPM based, but I'm typing this from a Debian box). Aptitude includes fields for compressed(persumably the size of the .deb) and uncompressed(presumably how much space the installed package will take up) sizes for each package, but that's just for that package itself(Aptitude reports 2093k compressed and 15m uncompressed for Orca's size), so it's of limited use for packages that aren't self-contained... and if the report could exclude sizes of shared dependencies to things like python, an xserver, or a desktop meta package, the things one would likely have installed even without the target package, that would be even better... ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
The Internet connection wouldn't necessarily need to be a problem, one can USB tether from their smartphone, I use this technique for some installers having trouble connecting to a wifi. But overall, it seems weird to me a distro would leave out orca for space reasons, in 2023, when the screenreader together with speechd and all other dependencies is hardly noticeable. Best regards Rastislav Dňa 7. 10. 2023 o 4:49 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > Your premise assumes that internet access is already connected and > available on the computer where the iso is running and Orca is to be > installed. Unfortunately this is not every computer, especially those > that must connect to wifi or any other type of internet services that > require usernames, passwords, etc. Better would be to leave some things > off the install media so that the all-important screen reader can be > installed, even if it means leaving off an office suite or a browser > and/or email application. Those things could be very easily installed > over the internet once Orca has been started, or for users that don't > need Orca, they can have such other packages installed over the internet > after logging in as needed. > > ~Kyle > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
And really, is space really that much of a premium on install media? I mean, flash storage is so cheap that it's hard to find anything smaller than 32GB these days, and you have to go back like 20 years to find machines that are limited to CD... and worse come to worse, you can just put extra software on a second disc for those offline machines. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: opensuse tumbleweed
Your premise assumes that internet access is already connected and available on the computer where the iso is running and Orca is to be installed. Unfortunately this is not every computer, especially those that must connect to wifi or any other type of internet services that require usernames, passwords, etc. Better would be to leave some things off the install media so that the all-important screen reader can be installed, even if it means leaving off an office suite or a browser and/or email application. Those things could be very easily installed over the internet once Orca has been started, or for users that don't need Orca, they can have such other packages installed over the internet after logging in as needed. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
opensuse tumbleweed
An idea for all linux distributions with orca in their repositories and not enough space to have it on their install disks. Put a question up on the screen and allow a reasonable number of seconds to pass to get an answer. No answer, download and install orca and all of its dependencies, run orca, and have orca ask that question. This way the sighted people constantly writing stuff on the internet to find out how to turn off orca won't be doing that any more since orca never got installed on their machines but did get installed on machines that actually need it to run linux. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
When I retired to Pennsylvania, I could have had Windows for an operating system and chose not to go that route. Where I live is rural and as such help desk calls and service would have been expensive. With Linux if the system runs into a problem I can either fix the problem or reinstall the system by myself. This is important since sighted help where I live is unavailable. I admit I tried to update windows on a Dell Laptop and it went along fine until it got to SERVICEPACK3. Then the laptop crashed and I found out a little later that that Dell Dimension Laptop wouldn't install Linux either. So the laptop went into the trash since it was no longer any use to anyone. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that it is free > > as in free beer? > > Perhaps because some people prefer operating systems that: > > - Don’t spy on them > - Don’t start random diagnostic services taking up most of the CPU > - Won’t bloat them with a pile of programs requiring a Microsoft account > - Can autoupdate themselves > - Don’t require a supercomputer to run > - Won’t start upgrading themselves in the middle of a business meeting > - Are generally trustworthy > > XD > > These are just the points for web-browsing only users, beside the free system > and ecosystem one. > > For even slightly more advanced-ones, there are indeed many more. > > Best regards > > Rastislav > > Dňa 6. 10. 2023 o 12:43 Linux for > > blind general discussion napísal(a): > > > Hi, > > > > answer in line. > > > > Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option > > for > > ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users... > > > > Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > > > >> When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so > >> if > >> you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is > >> not > >> beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you > >> rememver the > >> days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second > >> device > >> handy to go through the install steps. > > > > To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only > > to > > answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number > > to > > select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing > > "h" > > will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation > > you > > can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a > > documentation, > > then go back to installation > > > >> Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, > >> where it > >> asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you > >> through > >> the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, > >> gentle > >> start to Linux. > >> > >> The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web > >> browser and > >> Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, > >> versus > >> with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a > >> nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to > >> date. > > > > With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up > > this > > page in a web browser: > > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html > > > >> I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can > >> be, > >> especially if you are older like you said you are. > > > > I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every > > day ;) > > > > All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet, > > communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution > > is > > good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact > > that it > > is free as in free beer? > > > > Didier > > > >> Jace > >> > >> On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> > >>> Hi guys,
Re: Intro.
> But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that it is free > as in free beer? Perhaps because some people prefer operating systems that: - Don’t spy on them - Don’t start random diagnostic services taking up most of the CPU - Won’t bloat them with a pile of programs requiring a Microsoft account - Can autoupdate themselves - Don’t require a supercomputer to run - Won’t start upgrading themselves in the middle of a business meeting - Are generally trustworthy XD These are just the points for web-browsing only users, beside the free system and ecosystem one. For even slightly more advanced-ones, there are indeed many more. Best regards Rastislav Dňa 6. 10. 2023 o 12:43 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > Hi, > > answer in line. > > Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option for > ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users... > > Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > >> When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so if >> you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is >> not >> beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you rememver >> the >> days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second >> device >> handy to go through the install steps. > > To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only to > answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number to > select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing "h" > will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation > you > can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a > documentation, > then go back to installation > >> Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where >> it >> asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you >> through >> the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, gentle >> start to Linux. >> >> The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web browser >> and >> Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus >> with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a >> nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to date. > > With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up this > page in a web browser: > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html > >> I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be, >> especially if you are older like you said you are. > > I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every > day ;) > > All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet, > communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution is > good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that > it > is free as in free beer? > > Didier > >> Jace >> >> On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux >>> platform >>> but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which >>> version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I >>> am a >>> blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with >>> help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would >>> appreciate >>> it indeed, Billy >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>> >>> ___ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Slint can be installed once booted by use of the setup command. Once done you answer questions about your hardware and preferences and once enough of those get answered, the installation happens. Can take 10 to 30 minutes to happen once it starts. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi, > > answer in line. > > Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option for > ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users... > > Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > > When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so > > if > > you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is > > not > > beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you > > rememver the > > days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second > > device > > handy to go through the install steps. > > To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only to > answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number to > select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing "h" > will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation > you > can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a > documentation, > then go back to installation > > > Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where > > it > > asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you > > through > > the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, > > gentle > > start to Linux. > > > > The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web > > browser and > > Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus > > with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a > > nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to > > date. > > With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up this > page in a web browser: > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html > > > I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be, > > especially if you are older like you said you are. > > I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every > day ;) > > All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet, > communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution is > good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that > it > is free as in free beer? > > Didier > > > Jace > > > > > > > > On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > >> platform > >> but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know > >> which > >> version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I > >> am a > >> blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with > >> help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > >> appreciate > >> it indeed, Billy > >> > >> Sent from Mail for Windows > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Very minimal graphical environment
I worked some years back on a menu system that had some scripts that would start a very small window manager and run Orca and the browser, email, whatever required a graphical environment. This system was designed to be self-contained and distro-agnostic, although as I recall it used jwm as the tiny window manager that started the graphical environment. Have a look at https://gitlab.com/f123/Kies I'm thinking some of the scripts you'll find there may help. If I remember correctly, they would even stop Fenrir trying to speak as the text console became a graphical one and start it back up once the program you wanted exited. Hope it helps. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca and Braille
On 6/10/23 02:37, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Yes. Orca Screen reader supports braille with the aid of BRLTTY and its BRLAPI library. If I remember well, you have to run BRLTTY then Orca to be working correctly. Normally, your systemd configuration should be set up to run BRLTTY during the boot process. This gives you braille access to the console, and access to a graphical environment when Orca starts. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Hi, answer in line. Foreword: I hesitated to answer: as I already wrote Slint is not an option for ARM CPUs. Anyway, here goes for x86_64 aka AMD64 users... Le 06/10/2023 à 11:44, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so if > you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is not > beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you rememver > the > days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second device > handy to go through the install steps. To be picky, the Slint installer doesn't request you to type commands, only to answer questions, typing things like "Y" for yes and "N" for no or a number to select an option. And oftentimes if you do not know what to answer typing "h" will display a small contextualized help text. Further, during installation you can you can also type 'doc' at the prompt in a console and read a documentation, then go back to installation > Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where it > asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you > through > the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, gentle > start to Linux. > > The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web browser > and > Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus > with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a > nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to date. With Slint you can also get information before installing just firing up this page in a web browser: https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html > I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be, > especially if you are older like you said you are. I am probably older than Billy (74 at time of writing) and use Slint every day ;) All this being said if the intended usage is just browsing the Internet, communicate with family and friends and so on, any accessible distribution is good enough. But then why try a Linux distribution, but because the fact that it is free as in free beer? Didier > Jace > > > > On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux >> platform >> but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which >> version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I am >> a >> blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with >> help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would appreciate >> it indeed, Billy >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Very minimal graphical environment
I'd suggest having a minimal window manager like i3 for this, which is the first thing that came to mind. Very, very minimal and easy to set up and configure with a text config file which means you can tweak it to remove all the stuff you don't want Mostly going with i3 since it hasn't failed me yet, while qtile broke my config majorly earlier On 10/6/23 11:22, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi list, I am forced to become a graphical environment user so I will begin my adventure with Orca. I would like to have a very minimal installation of such environment. I want to have complete setup wich is quite enough for Orca and web browser such as Chromium or Firefox. Can you recommend me something? I don't need desktops, file managers, mail clients, calendars and any other core software build into the graphical environment. Just to do a suitable installation to run Orca with internet browser. How to do it? Any recommendations, suggestions, opinions? Greetings. Artur Rutkowski ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Very minimal graphical environment
Hi list, I am forced to become a graphical environment user so I will begin my adventure with Orca. I would like to have a very minimal installation of such environment. I want to have complete setup wich is quite enough for Orca and web browser such as Chromium or Firefox. Can you recommend me something? I don't need desktops, file managers, mail clients, calendars and any other core software build into the graphical environment. Just to do a suitable installation to run Orca with internet browser. How to do it? Any recommendations, suggestions, opinions? Greetings. Artur Rutkowski ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca and Braille
Hello, I heard something along the lines of make sure xbrlapi is in your autostart and make sure it starts before orca, but I could be wrong. Harley On 06/10/2023 07:37, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi everyone Yes. Orca Screen reader supports braille with the aid of BRLTTY and its BRLAPI library. If I remember well, you have to run BRLTTY then Orca to be working correctly. Greetings. Artur Rutkowski ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Heya Billy, welcome to the list I'm going to also suggest Linux Mint Mate, which Rastislav has linked to but I'm also going to explain why I feel like it's a good choice. When you boot it, it will put you in a desktop much like Windows or Mac so if you are coming from those devices it won't feel too out of place. Slint is not beginner friendly due to the way you install it, which is by if you rememver the days of DOS, typing in commands and having to remember or have a second device handy to go through the install steps. Linux Mint avoids this by having the installer be similar to Windows, where it asks you to fill in what it wants then click next, and it will walk you through the process, without overwhelming you with text. To me this is a nice, gentle start to Linux. The beautiful thing about Linux Mint is you can easily fire up a web browser and Google your queries and usually get a page or two of helpful results, versus with Slint, relying on having to manually check a specific email list. In a nutshell, Mint Mate is built to be easy to use and simple to keep up to date. I'm hoping this helps, I absolutely get how daunting moving to Linux can be, especially if you are older like you said you are. Jace On 10/4/23 12:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would appreciate it indeed, Billy Sent from Mail for Windows ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Orca and Braille
Hi everyone Yes. Orca Screen reader supports braille with the aid of BRLTTY and its BRLAPI library. If I remember well, you have to run BRLTTY then Orca to be working correctly. Greetings. Artur Rutkowski ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
If you don't enjoy learning new skills, then Linux may not be a good choice, unless you have someone available to set it up, customize and maintain it for you. I disagree. This certainly was the case in the late 1990's and very early 2000's, when Linux was pretty much just DOS on steroids and we had to learn how to compile a kernel just to get a decent screen reader working. In 2023 however, only the Linux Foundation, which has Microsoft as one of its "platinum partners," still propagates the myth that Linux is not for some people. It is in fact for everyone, and the learning curve has decreased significantly even in the past few years. In fact, the king of the enforced learning curve, Microsoft, has ensured that Linux is easier to learn than ever, since their own OS has gotten needlessly more and more complicated over the past 20 years or so. It's to the point now where I don't feel I have the patience to learn their new way of doing things even if a job was to say so. Thankfully for me, this is not the case at all, and I have the ability to stick to the lakes and the rivers that I'm used to, right here on the only truly operating system on the planet. My computer works for me, I don't have to work for it, unlike these new phones these days that make me work for them more and more as time goes on, tell me to move one finger while expecting me to stand on my head, etc. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
I agree with Rastislav. I've been using Linux since the 1990s. I think it's important to understand that the culture associated with Linux is different from what you'll find elsewhere. If you enjoy learning new skills and new software, there are endless opportunities for expanding your knowledge and for improving your software environment in large and small ways. There is also a cultural expectation that you will learn to solve problems and to use the software primarily on your own, with support from the community as needed. If you don't enjoy learning new skills, then Linux may not be a good choice, unless you have someone available to set it up, customize and maintain it for you. Also, learning the Linux command line can fundamentally change the way you work. Those skills can be of benefit for the rest of your life. I first learned UNIX (and later Linux) command line skills in the 1990s. This knowledge is no less relevant today than it was then. It may still be applicable if I'm using a computer thirty years from now. Investments in learning pay real rewards. On 5/10/23 18:00, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hello Billy, yes, it is perfectly possible to run Ubuntu and Windows in parallel, back in the time when I was beginning with Linux, this was my goto strategy, as I wanted to have a working backup Windows system in case I needed anything. Originally I wanted to try Linux just for a month, a little while back, the third year of my one month trial period has passed. :D In the end, I booted the Windows instance like once or twice when I needed to compile some programs for Windows users, so I eventually deleted it, as a VM has been more than enough to satisfy my needs. Though, if you do have things you can do only from Windows, then having a real windows installation is something I definitely recommend, doing any serious work in a VM is rather inconvenient. I see many recommendations in this thread regarding terminals, console environments etc. My personal, subjective advice though, would be to just go with a standard GUI system like Ubuntu Mate. Linux is an indefinitely flexible system, unlike Windows or MacOS, which you see in one consistent, ubiquitous form, you will see Linux developed and distributed in countless shapes, forms and variations. As you may already know, the term Linux in fact doesn't name the whole operating system, Linux is just an OS kernel developed by Linus Torvalds, but while this component is crucial and very complex part of an OS, a complete system embraces far more than that, kernel is something you actually don't even get to see as an user, because everything you communicate with (the desktop environment, mouse, keyboard, audio, etc.) are just additions on top of this core element. I like to use an analogy of Linux kernel being an organic heart. Heart is a crucial part for every animal, but it's not the only-one and in-fact, you usually won't even get to see the heart of a living creature, what you see and interact with are body, limbs, some humans have brains, etc. It's similar with Linux. Developers take the core, surround it with software, shell and functionality they want, and release the package as something you can install on your hardware (computer, mobile phone etc.) That's why it's called linux distribution. And it's also the source of the flexibility. You will see distributions reminding Windows / mac, not in graphical design, but in the philosophy of a full-GUI system. But there are also distributions without GUI, that use just terminal, there are distributions you can access only remotely through a web browser, there are distributions specialized for running on USB keys, in sandboxes, in computational clusters etc. etc. etc. This ecosystem is something you'll likely as a member of Linux community get to love after some time. However, making use of it requires some knowledge I myself did not have when coming to the open platform, so while I did have an idea what is it capable of, even as a developer, I was by no means prepared to handle the full power of the Linux world. A stable GUI system provides more than enough opportunities for one to familiarize themselves with the concepts of Linux terminal, filesystem, package management, individual components that make up the OS, everything at a calm pace and, importantly, on a route where nothing breaks, and most of the things don't require reading through a pile of books and manpages (man is a short version of manual, in case you wondered) to setup. That's just my personal take Best regards Rastislav Dňa 5. 10. 2023 o 8:53 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): Hi Rastislav, This is so helpful indeed and the linkswill come in really handy. Is it possible for me to tun Linux with windows on the same computer system?, Billy Sent from Mail for Windows From: Linux for blind general discussion Sent: 04 October 2023 16:10 To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Re: Intro.
Hello Billy, yes, it is perfectly possible to run Ubuntu and Windows in parallel, back in the time when I was beginning with Linux, this was my goto strategy, as I wanted to have a working backup Windows system in case I needed anything. Originally I wanted to try Linux just for a month, a little while back, the third year of my one month trial period has passed. :D In the end, I booted the Windows instance like once or twice when I needed to compile some programs for Windows users, so I eventually deleted it, as a VM has been more than enough to satisfy my needs. Though, if you do have things you can do only from Windows, then having a real windows installation is something I definitely recommend, doing any serious work in a VM is rather inconvenient. I see many recommendations in this thread regarding terminals, console environments etc. My personal, subjective advice though, would be to just go with a standard GUI system like Ubuntu Mate. Linux is an indefinitely flexible system, unlike Windows or MacOS, which you see in one consistent, ubiquitous form, you will see Linux developed and distributed in countless shapes, forms and variations. As you may already know, the term Linux in fact doesn't name the whole operating system, Linux is just an OS kernel developed by Linus Torvalds, but while this component is crucial and very complex part of an OS, a complete system embraces far more than that, kernel is something you actually don't even get to see as an user, because everything you communicate with (the desktop environment, mouse, keyboard, audio, etc.) are just additions on top of this core element. I like to use an analogy of Linux kernel being an organic heart. Heart is a crucial part for every animal, but it's not the only-one and in-fact, you usually won't even get to see the heart of a living creature, what you see and interact with are body, limbs, some humans have brains, etc. It's similar with Linux. Developers take the core, surround it with software, shell and functionality they want, and release the package as something you can install on your hardware (computer, mobile phone etc.) That's why it's called linux distribution. And it's also the source of the flexibility. You will see distributions reminding Windows / mac, not in graphical design, but in the philosophy of a full-GUI system. But there are also distributions without GUI, that use just terminal, there are distributions you can access only remotely through a web browser, there are distributions specialized for running on USB keys, in sandboxes, in computational clusters etc. etc. etc. This ecosystem is something you'll likely as a member of Linux community get to love after some time. However, making use of it requires some knowledge I myself did not have when coming to the open platform, so while I did have an idea what is it capable of, even as a developer, I was by no means prepared to handle the full power of the Linux world. A stable GUI system provides more than enough opportunities for one to familiarize themselves with the concepts of Linux terminal, filesystem, package management, individual components that make up the OS, everything at a calm pace and, importantly, on a route where nothing breaks, and most of the things don't require reading through a pile of books and manpages (man is a short version of manual, in case you wondered) to setup. That's just my personal take Best regards Rastislav Dňa 5. 10. 2023 o 8:53 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > Hi Rastislav, This is so helpful indeed and the linkswill come in really > handy. Is it possible for me to tun Linux with windows on the same computer > system?, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > Sent: 04 October 2023 16:10 > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: Intro. > > Hello, > > since you're new to Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu Mate. It > will provide you with the most stable while still uptodate experience, > so you can fully focus on discovering the open platform. > > Though, I would recommend to wait a week, Ubuntu 23.10 is scheduled to > be released on 12th October, shipping the latest atspi packages and > other things. > > > If this is the choice you decide to take, you may also be interested in > some of my related projects, namely: > > https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai > > > for setting up accessibility on UM, > > https://github.com/RastislavKish/mlock > > > for fixing one annoying bug with focus if it appears on your machine, and: > > https://github.com/RastislavKish/mtg > > > for turning off your monitor. > > > Regarding umai and support for UM 23.10, it should be prepared by the > date of the distro's release, see the project's readme for an uptodate > list of supported U
Re: Intro.
Hello, I am sorry but Slint is not available for an ARM architecture, only x86_64 Other than, to know more: https://slint.fr Cheers, Didier Slint maintainer didieratslintdotfr Le 05/10/2023 à 20:59, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > Slint is an iso and is available as a torrent. > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso > > If you have sha256sum on your machine run the following command and if it > returns the name of the iso followed by ok you likely got a good download. > sha256sum -c > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Slint is an iso and is available as a torrent. https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso If you have sha256sum on your machine run the following command and if it returns the name of the iso followed by ok you likely got a good download. sha256sum -c https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi is this a bistro, or a package that can be downloaded? If this is > package can it. Run under Ubuntu, or different. > > > > > On Oct 5, 2023, at 16:58, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > > > I'm going to recommend slint and I recommend when you install slint to > > start in console. The reason to start in console is you log in in > > console. The startx script you run after login. If for whatever reason > > your graphical environment fails to work, you at least have a chance to do > > something about it since you're already logged in. The nightmare > > situation for graphical users who start in graphics mode is their login > > doesn't work and then they have a paperweight until they reinstall the > > system. > > > > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > >> Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all > >> windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy > >> > >> Sent from Mail for Windows > >> > >> From: Linux for blind general discussion > >> Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53 > >> To: Linux for blind general discussion > >> Subject: Re: Intro. > >> > >> A couple questions. > >> In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to > >> see light? > >> What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux? > >> Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better > >> guideance. > >> > >> > >> -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > >> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > >> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > >> > >> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> > >>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > >>> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I > >>> wouldn’t know which version to try out first and that is one reason for > >>> joining this group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you > >>> could provide me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best > >>> for me I would appreciate it indeed, Billy > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail for Windows > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Blinux-list mailing list > >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
That's why slint has its own email list. Slackware is no more difficult than most other distros. The https://www.slackbook.org site has documentation on slackware and slint has a doc command any user can run to do some slint-specific reading. The vanilla slackware would work on a handful of speech synthesizers all of them externally connected to computers. These days, anyone starting slint install disk for the first time should get speech out of their sound card. Vanilla slackware did a simulation to check if speech synthesizers could work. The developer of slint does more than a simulation to check if the sound card will work for the users of slint. The people that complain about distros like vanilla slackware never learned enough basic linux documentation to get around. Two commands in linux can be your friends once installed that is man and info. You can do man man and read about the man command or info info and read about the info command. You can also do info emacs and read about emacs. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I'm guessing bistro was autocurrupt's doing. > > Anyways, Slint is a offshoot of Slackware, a distro notorious for > being difficult for new Linux users to wrangle, and because of that > Slint is a bit polarizing among Blind Linux Users. If I'm not > mistaken, the name Slint comes from Slackware Internationalization as > improving internationalization in Slackware was Slint's original > purpose, but Slint is probably better known for its accessiblity work > on this and other blind-centric Linux User mailing lists. And the > reason it's polarizing is because some say Slint inherited vanilla > Slackware's lack of newbie friendliness while others say it's > Accessibility makes it more beginner friendly to blind Linux users > than any other distro. I haven't used Slint myself, so I can't really > judge. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
I'm guessing bistro was autocurrupt's doing. Anyways, Slint is a offshoot of Slackware, a distro notorious for being difficult for new Linux users to wrangle, and because of that Slint is a bit polarizing among Blind Linux Users. If I'm not mistaken, the name Slint comes from Slackware Internationalization as improving internationalization in Slackware was Slint's original purpose, but Slint is probably better known for its accessiblity work on this and other blind-centric Linux User mailing lists. And the reason it's polarizing is because some say Slint inherited vanilla Slackware's lack of newbie friendliness while others say it's Accessibility makes it more beginner friendly to blind Linux users than any other distro. I haven't used Slint myself, so I can't really judge. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Hi is this a bistro, or a package that can be downloaded? If this is package can it. Run under Ubuntu, or different. > On Oct 5, 2023, at 16:58, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > I'm going to recommend slint and I recommend when you install slint to > start in console. The reason to start in console is you log in in > console. The startx script you run after login. If for whatever reason > your graphical environment fails to work, you at least have a chance to do > something about it since you're already logged in. The nightmare > situation for graphical users who start in graphics mode is their login > doesn't work and then they have a paperweight until they reinstall the > system. > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all >> windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53 >> To: Linux for blind general discussion >> Subject: Re: Intro. >> >> A couple questions. >> In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to >> see light? >> What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux? >> Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better >> guideance. >> >> >> -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in >> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that >> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. >> >> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux >>> platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t >>> know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this >>> group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide >>> me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would >>> appreciate it indeed, Billy >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>> >>> ___ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RE: Intro.
I'm going to recommend slint and I recommend when you install slint to start in console. The reason to start in console is you log in in console. The startx script you run after login. If for whatever reason your graphical environment fails to work, you at least have a chance to do something about it since you're already logged in. The nightmare situation for graphical users who start in graphics mode is their login doesn't work and then they have a paperweight until they reinstall the system. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all > windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53 > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Subject: Re: Intro. > > A couple questions. > In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to > see light? > What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux? > Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better > guideance. > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide > > me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Detox or other similar tools
Hello, I have an interesting question that maybe someone on this list might be able to answer. Does orca support braille? If not, we’ll bail TTY support speech? In other words long story short, can I get the default speech but with braille. Or is it going to be either or. I’m leaning towards a bun too by the way just because that’s what the person who would, be willing to help me get installed. The person is actually volunteering to assist. Any thoughts? Please excuse the fact that I still haven’t dealt with my signature file. And I’ve not dealt with what box this this mail goes to. That’s going to be today’s project. Be well everyone . PS, just be aware that I’m dictating this to my phone. That’s number one. Two. Remember that the actual address to reach me is mauricemauriceamimeS.coMf it is personal if it is official that address personal every-mail is maur...@maurice-amines.com Nfb presidentdeafbl...@mkurice-amines.com. Sent from my iPhone. Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org text number 661-868-9647. Fax no 661-449-3746. President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 661-249-9715. Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield chapter. amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko. > On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:31, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > Oh thanks. That should work. > > - Original Message - > From: Linux for blind general discussion > To: Linux for blind general discussion > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:08:42 +0200 (SAST) > Subject: Re: Detox or other similar tools > >> You could use rename with a regexp. >> e.g. >> rename s'/blablabla//'g *_bla*txt >> will remove blablabla from all *_bla*txt files. >> Willem >> >> >>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> >>> I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these. >>> : ? ? >>> >>> Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other >>> stuff. I just want to have a list of characters removed, not all >>> punctuation. Is there a tool that will do this for me? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> ___ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Detox or other similar tools
Oh thanks. That should work. - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:08:42 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: Detox or other similar tools > You could use rename with a regexp. > e.g. > rename s'/blablabla//'g *_bla*txt > will remove blablabla from all *_bla*txt files. > Willem > > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these. > > : ? ? > > > > Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other > > stuff. I just want to have a list of characters removed, not all > > punctuation. Is there a tool that will do this for me? > > Thanks. > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Detox or other similar tools
You could use rename with a regexp. e.g. rename s'/blablabla//'g *_bla*txt will remove blablabla from all *_bla*txt files. Willem On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these. : ? ? Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other stuff. I just want to have a list of characters removed, not all punctuation. Is there a tool that will do this for me? Thanks. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
how to reinicialize Waydroid?
Hi I downloaded the accessible waydroid script from Jenux Project, but I downloaded vendor and system as Vanilla, so I don't see Google play and all other Google services, so I want to try download not Vanilla, but Gapps. To do this, I must delete previously downloaded vendor and system image, but I can't find the correct location to remove. I removed /home/pvlcek/.local/share/waydroid, but this location is incorrect. Thanks, Pavel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Detox or other similar tools
I want to strip a directory of file names of certain characters, like these. : ? ? Detox will do that, but it removes spaces, commas and a bunch of other stuff. I just want to have a list of characters removed, not all punctuation. Is there a tool that will do this for me? Thanks. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RE: Intro.
Hello, I can tell the difference between light and dark. I have used all windows OS systems from way back windows7, Billy Sent from Mail for Windows From: Linux for blind general discussion Sent: 04 October 2023 12:53 To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: Intro. A couple questions. In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to see light? What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux? Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better guideance. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me > with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RE: Intro.
Hi Rastislav, This is so helpful indeed and the linkswill come in really handy. Is it possible for me to tun Linux with windows on the same computer system?, Billy Sent from Mail for Windows From: Linux for blind general discussion Sent: 04 October 2023 16:10 To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Intro. Hello, since you're new to Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu Mate. It will provide you with the most stable while still uptodate experience, so you can fully focus on discovering the open platform. Though, I would recommend to wait a week, Ubuntu 23.10 is scheduled to be released on 12th October, shipping the latest atspi packages and other things. If this is the choice you decide to take, you may also be interested in some of my related projects, namely: https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai for setting up accessibility on UM, https://github.com/RastislavKish/mlock for fixing one annoying bug with focus if it appears on your machine, and: https://github.com/RastislavKish/mtg for turning off your monitor. Regarding umai and support for UM 23.10, it should be prepared by the date of the distro's release, see the project's readme for an uptodate list of supported UM versions. Have a lot of fun, and the best experience! Best regards Rastislav Dňa 4. 10. 2023 o 13:18 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me > with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
osdisks.com has closed
This is unfortunate for the people with low grade internet services and low grade provider equipment since they're not going to be able to download and install linux isos of any significant size without the equipment or network corrupting those isos. A need remains for sites like osdisk or any competitors for this reason. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Hello, since you're new to Linux, I would recommend going with Ubuntu Mate. It will provide you with the most stable while still uptodate experience, so you can fully focus on discovering the open platform. Though, I would recommend to wait a week, Ubuntu 23.10 is scheduled to be released on 12th October, shipping the latest atspi packages and other things. If this is the choice you decide to take, you may also be interested in some of my related projects, namely: https://github.com/RastislavKish/umai for setting up accessibility on UM, https://github.com/RastislavKish/mlock for fixing one annoying bug with focus if it appears on your machine, and: https://github.com/RastislavKish/mtg for turning off your monitor. Regarding umai and support for UM 23.10, it should be prepared by the date of the distro's release, see the project's readme for an uptodate list of supported UM versions. Have a lot of fun, and the best experience! Best regards Rastislav Dňa 4. 10. 2023 o 13:18 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me > with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Slint may be a better bet. With slint those running on command line operating systems have a choice to start in console which is command line or graphical which is desktop like windows. Even if you start in console you can go into graphical if you need it. Unfortunately we have either a garbage router or a garbage network which is preventing a good download of slint here. slint is on https://slackware.uk/slint/ and the iso to download is iso5 if a modern computer is being used. That is why I asked the questions I did earlier. Never recommend anything ahead of a needs assessment. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi. > Check out Linux Mint Mate > https://linuxmint.com > > > > On Oct 4, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide > > me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Intro.
Hi. Check out Linux Mint Mate https://linuxmint.com > On Oct 4, 2023, at 7:18 AM, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me > with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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you may want to check out fedora's fosh spin. Since Raspberry pi runs on arm the stormux list stormux+subscr...@groups.io may be helpful. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Good morning everyone. I am not new to Lennox. But I have a new arm based > computer. I am trying to decide between two distributions. Which is going to > be easier to install orca on? Two arch 64 meaning the arch architecture or 64 > bit arm processor. Or fedora, because I remember using fedora many years ago > because of the assistance of a late friend. Just for the record. I am using > parallels on an arm based M2 Mac. > > From these two questions, I am needing to change the email box or email that > I get from this list is there an easy way to do that. I thank you in advance > for any response to this email. > > Please be aware that I am dictating this to my phone. To the actual email > address to reach me has changed. I am just not gotten around to changing my > Phone signature email File. The new email address is. > presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com. All of the rest of the contact > information is still the same. Just the email address changed. > Sent from my iPhone. > Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org > text number 661-868-9647. > Fax no 661-449-3746. > > > President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay > number 661-249-9715. > Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield > chapter. > amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko. > > > On Oct 4, 2023, at 11:18, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide > > me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Good morning everyone. I am not new to Lennox. But I have a new arm based computer. I am trying to decide between two distributions. Which is going to be easier to install orca on? Two arch 64 meaning the arch architecture or 64 bit arm processor. Or fedora, because I remember using fedora many years ago because of the assistance of a late friend. Just for the record. I am using parallels on an arm based M2 Mac. From these two questions, I am needing to change the email box or email that I get from this list is there an easy way to do that. I thank you in advance for any response to this email. Please be aware that I am dictating this to my phone. To the actual email address to reach me has changed. I am just not gotten around to changing my Phone signature email File. The new email address is. presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com. All of the rest of the contact information is still the same. Just the email address changed. Sent from my iPhone. Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org text number 661-868-9647. Fax no 661-449-3746. President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 661-249-9715. Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield chapter. amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko. > On Oct 4, 2023, at 11:18, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me > with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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A couple questions. In your case is blind defined as no useable vision including no ability to see light? What operating system or operating systems did you use before Linux? Answers to these two questions ought to help the list get you better guideance. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux > platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t > know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this > group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me > with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would > appreciate it indeed, Billy > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Hi guys, so glad to be joining this group. I know nothing about Linux platform but would like to try Linux for myself. The problem is I wouldn’t know which version to try out first and that is one reason for joining this group. I am a blind pensioner living in Scotland UK. IF you could provide me with help/advice on which version of Linux would be best for me I would appreciate it indeed, Billy Sent from Mail for Windows ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: arch-installer accessibility
To get espeak help press capslock and f1. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > On the keypad, press the star key. On the top row far right press the key > and it will say parked press again and it says unparked. One key to the > left of that key is where you turn on highlight tracking. Default is > cursoring on so press once and you should get highlight tracking. > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: arch-installer accessibility
On the keypad, press the star key. On the top row far right press the key and it will say parked press again and it says unparked. One key to the left of that key is where you turn on highlight tracking. Default is cursoring on so press once and you should get highlight tracking. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi, > > where can I get list of speakup hotkeys? I am unable to get light tracking > mode. > > Thanks a lot, > > Pavel > > > > Dne 01. 10. 23 v 14:13 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a): > > That's how I installed archlinux. To get speakup going on archlinux when > > you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait. > > Speakup should come up. When it does and you're at the root prompt then > > get highlight tracking on with speakup. Then run archinstall and you > > should find it much more verbal and workable. > > In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when > > that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils. > > Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the > > opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things. Do that > > and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl > > enable dhcpcd. > > If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to > > complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that > > doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit > > enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere > > else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's > > definitely an internet provider screw up. > > > > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to > >> install > >> it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no > >> more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu > >> based > >> and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I > >> think > >> it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash > >> installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to > >> install > >> mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned > >> on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Pavel > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > >> > >> > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: arch-installer accessibility
Hi, where can I get list of speakup hotkeys? I am unable to get light tracking mode. Thanks a lot, Pavel Dne 01. 10. 23 v 14:13 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a): That's how I installed archlinux. To get speakup going on archlinux when you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait. Speakup should come up. When it does and you're at the root prompt then get highlight tracking on with speakup. Then run archinstall and you should find it much more verbal and workable. In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils. Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things. Do that and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl enable dhcpcd. If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's definitely an internet provider screw up. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible. Thanks, Pavel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: arch-installer accessibility
As an adition to this, if you are away from the keys when it boots or you hit enter instad of down and enter, you can enable speech by doing the following, or here's how I do it 1. Let it time out, or hit enter, or however you get to the normal boot 2. espeak something 3. systemctl start espeakup That achieves the same result if you get into a normal boot, and don't want to reboot and go through the boot disk selection if it is giving you trouble On 10/1/23 13:13, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: That's how I installed archlinux. To get speakup going on archlinux when you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait. Speakup should come up. When it does and you're at the root prompt then get highlight tracking on with speakup. Then run archinstall and you should find it much more verbal and workable. In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils. Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things. Do that and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl enable dhcpcd. If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's definitely an internet provider screw up. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible. Thanks, Pavel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: arch-installer accessibility
That's how I installed archlinux. To get speakup going on archlinux when you boot and hear the tones, downarrow once then hit enter then wait. Speakup should come up. When it does and you're at the root prompt then get highlight tracking on with speakup. Then run archinstall and you should find it much more verbal and workable. In additional packages to get espeak-ng installed and able to work when that prompt comes up you need to add espeakup espeak-ng and alsa-utils. Once you get all other questions answered you'll be offered the opportunity to chroot into your new system and customize things. Do that and in there systemctl enable espeakup and also enable dhcpcd systemctl enable dhcpcd. If none of that works then you got a bad copy of archlinux and need to complain to your internet provider and have them fix your internet so that doesn't happen again and by none of this I mean on boot downarrow then hit enter at the tones if you don't get speech or the install breaks somewhere else you may have made a bad choice but if packages install fails that's definitely an internet provider screw up. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi, > > Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install > it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no > more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based > and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think > it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash > installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install > mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned > on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible. > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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Hi, Because I am an absolutelly UEFI idiot and I don't understand how to install it with commands, I want to install Arch Linux to my Acer laptop, which no more supports legaci using arch-install script. But the script is menu based and the menu items are in single line. So has speakup the same mode, I think it is called as light mode, or can I install Fenrir to live usb flash installer? Or can I use some other tool to install EFI? I know how to install mbr, but Efi isn't my friend. Secure boot is turned off, when it was turned on, booting to Arch was impossible and also using vmware was inpossible. Thanks, Pavel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
working now was Re: RHVoice under Fedora question
Hi, so I manually created .conf file in /etc/ld.so.config.d with /usr/local/lib content and after running sudo ldconfig, RHVoice is working now. Now I am looking for scons parameter, which allows me to install RHVoice not to /usr/local/lib, but to /usr/lib, but it's a detail for now. Pavel Dne 27.09.2023 v 16:08 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a): Hi, thanks a lot. Now, I can successfuly do scons command. But the sudo scons install command installs RHVoice to /local or somewhere including /local and Ia am unable to get it working in Speech Dispatcher. So my question is, where and what change to get correct path for installation from source? I think this is Fedora specific, because Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux work as expected. Thanks a lot, Pavel Dne 26. 09. 23 v 23:39 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a): Hi! On 9/24/23 21:29, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, I want to install RHVoice from source under Fedora, but I have a problem identifiing names of the correct dependencies. Ubuntu says: apt-get install gcc g++ pkg-config scons libpulse-dev libspeechd-dev So gcc and g++ are ok, but I can not find the correct package names for other dependencies. Please go to the definitive source instead. The directions on RHVoice project github page say you would need SCons installed on your system in order to build the binary. You would also need audio libraries and their respective development packages plus I guess pkg-conf and the respective development package. First we need to check and locate package groups and install them. localhost$ sudo dnf group list For me this shows three likely candidates which are: 'RPM Development Tools', 'Development Tools' and perhaps 'Fedora Packager'. We'll install them by running localhost$ sudo dnf group install 'RPM Development Tools' 'Development Tools' 'Fedora Packager' Secondly we need source code, dependent libraries and their respective development packages. We need to check the official documentation on https://github.com/RHVoice/RHVoice/blob/master/doc/en/Compiling-on-Linux.md By reading the documentation we find out that we need a tool called scons. My wild guess is that it is readily available on one of the preconfigured repositories. Let's find out by running sudo dnf search scons Which for me shows a candidate called python3-scons. Then we'd like to check this indeed is the tool we want. We can compare information on scons.org web site with information on the install candidate package. Package information can be read running sudo dnf info python3-scons Use the same commands but use 'pulseaudio' and 'speech-dispatcher' as the last argument to dnf search (in place of scons). This way we find the needed development packages. Since these are not package groups but single packages this time we use 'dnf install' instead of 'dnf group' install. localhost$ sudo dnf install python3-scons pulseaudio-libs-devel speech-dispatcher-devel Can someone help please? Sorry for my earlier ignorance. I've been busy on other fronts lately. I didn't do the actual installation of the packages mentioned in this email nor did I try compiling RHVoice. That's left for an excercise to you. Later on if you would like to start packaging software for Fedora you'd need to get used to rpm packaging and spec files. There is pretty good documentation available for that. Hope this helps enough to get started compiling stuff on your box. Regards, Birdie ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: RHVoice under Fedora question
does anyone with snaps enabled know if rh-voice is available from snaps? If so that might clear up lots of questions and problems. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 27 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi, > > thanks a lot. Now, I can successfuly do scons command. But the sudo scons > install command installs RHVoice to /local or somewhere including /local and > Ia am unable to get it working in Speech Dispatcher. So my question is, where > and what change to get correct path for installation from source? I think this > is Fedora specific, because Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux work as expected. > > Thanks a lot, > > Pavel > > > > Dne 26. 09. 23 v 23:39 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a): > > Hi! > > > > On 9/24/23 21:29, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I want to install RHVoice from source under Fedora, but I have a problem > >> identifiing names of the correct dependencies. Ubuntu says: > >> > >> apt-get install gcc g++ pkg-config scons libpulse-dev libspeechd-dev > >> > >> So gcc and g++ are ok, but I can not find the correct package names for > >> other dependencies. > >> > > > > Please go to the definitive source instead. The directions on RHVoice > > project github page say you would need SCons installed on your system in > > order to build the binary. You would also need audio libraries and their > > respective development packages plus I guess pkg-conf and the respective > > development package. > > > > First we need to check and locate package groups and install them. > > > > > > localhost$ sudo dnf group list > > > > > > For me this shows three likely candidates which are: 'RPM Development > > Tools', 'Development Tools' and perhaps 'Fedora Packager'. > > > > We'll install them by running > > > > > > localhost$ sudo dnf group install 'RPM Development Tools' 'Development > > Tools' 'Fedora Packager' > > > > > > Secondly we need source code, dependent libraries and their respective > > development packages. > > We need to check the official documentation on > > https://github.com/RHVoice/RHVoice/blob/master/doc/en/Compiling-on-Linux.md > > By reading the documentation we find out that we need a tool called scons. > > My wild guess is that it is readily available on one of the preconfigured > > repositories. Let's find out by running > > > > > > sudo dnf search scons > > > > > > Which for me shows a candidate called python3-scons. Then we'd like to check > > this indeed is the tool we want. We can compare information on scons.org web > > site with information on the install candidate package. > > > > Package information can be read running > > > > sudo dnf info python3-scons > > > > > > Use the same commands but use 'pulseaudio' and 'speech-dispatcher' as the > > last argument to dnf search (in place of scons). This way we find the needed > > development packages. > > > > Since these are not package groups but single packages this time we use 'dnf > > install' instead of 'dnf group' install. > > > > > > localhost$ sudo dnf install python3-scons pulseaudio-libs-devel > > speech-dispatcher-devel > > > > > >> Can someone help please? > > > > Sorry for my earlier ignorance. I've been busy on other fronts lately. I > > didn't do the actual installation of the packages mentioned in this email > > nor did I try compiling RHVoice. That's left for an excercise to you. Later > > on if you would like to start packaging software for Fedora you'd need to > > get used to rpm packaging and spec files. There is pretty good documentation > > available for that. > > > > Hope this helps enough to get started compiling stuff on your box. > > > > Regards, > > Birdie > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: RHVoice under Fedora question
Hi, thanks a lot. Now, I can successfuly do scons command. But the sudo scons install command installs RHVoice to /local or somewhere including /local and Ia am unable to get it working in Speech Dispatcher. So my question is, where and what change to get correct path for installation from source? I think this is Fedora specific, because Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux work as expected. Thanks a lot, Pavel Dne 26. 09. 23 v 23:39 Linux for blind general discussion napsal(a): Hi! On 9/24/23 21:29, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, I want to install RHVoice from source under Fedora, but I have a problem identifiing names of the correct dependencies. Ubuntu says: apt-get install gcc g++ pkg-config scons libpulse-dev libspeechd-dev So gcc and g++ are ok, but I can not find the correct package names for other dependencies. Please go to the definitive source instead. The directions on RHVoice project github page say you would need SCons installed on your system in order to build the binary. You would also need audio libraries and their respective development packages plus I guess pkg-conf and the respective development package. First we need to check and locate package groups and install them. localhost$ sudo dnf group list For me this shows three likely candidates which are: 'RPM Development Tools', 'Development Tools' and perhaps 'Fedora Packager'. We'll install them by running localhost$ sudo dnf group install 'RPM Development Tools' 'Development Tools' 'Fedora Packager' Secondly we need source code, dependent libraries and their respective development packages. We need to check the official documentation on https://github.com/RHVoice/RHVoice/blob/master/doc/en/Compiling-on-Linux.md By reading the documentation we find out that we need a tool called scons. My wild guess is that it is readily available on one of the preconfigured repositories. Let's find out by running sudo dnf search scons Which for me shows a candidate called python3-scons. Then we'd like to check this indeed is the tool we want. We can compare information on scons.org web site with information on the install candidate package. Package information can be read running sudo dnf info python3-scons Use the same commands but use 'pulseaudio' and 'speech-dispatcher' as the last argument to dnf search (in place of scons). This way we find the needed development packages. Since these are not package groups but single packages this time we use 'dnf install' instead of 'dnf group' install. localhost$ sudo dnf install python3-scons pulseaudio-libs-devel speech-dispatcher-devel Can someone help please? Sorry for my earlier ignorance. I've been busy on other fronts lately. I didn't do the actual installation of the packages mentioned in this email nor did I try compiling RHVoice. That's left for an excercise to you. Later on if you would like to start packaging software for Fedora you'd need to get used to rpm packaging and spec files. There is pretty good documentation available for that. Hope this helps enough to get started compiling stuff on your box. Regards, Birdie ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: RHVoice under Fedora question
Hi! On 9/24/23 21:29, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi, I want to install RHVoice from source under Fedora, but I have a problem identifiing names of the correct dependencies. Ubuntu says: apt-get install gcc g++ pkg-config scons libpulse-dev libspeechd-dev So gcc and g++ are ok, but I can not find the correct package names for other dependencies. Please go to the definitive source instead. The directions on RHVoice project github page say you would need SCons installed on your system in order to build the binary. You would also need audio libraries and their respective development packages plus I guess pkg-conf and the respective development package. First we need to check and locate package groups and install them. localhost$ sudo dnf group list For me this shows three likely candidates which are: 'RPM Development Tools', 'Development Tools' and perhaps 'Fedora Packager'. We'll install them by running localhost$ sudo dnf group install 'RPM Development Tools' 'Development Tools' 'Fedora Packager' Secondly we need source code, dependent libraries and their respective development packages. We need to check the official documentation on https://github.com/RHVoice/RHVoice/blob/master/doc/en/Compiling-on-Linux.md By reading the documentation we find out that we need a tool called scons. My wild guess is that it is readily available on one of the preconfigured repositories. Let's find out by running sudo dnf search scons Which for me shows a candidate called python3-scons. Then we'd like to check this indeed is the tool we want. We can compare information on scons.org web site with information on the install candidate package. Package information can be read running sudo dnf info python3-scons Use the same commands but use 'pulseaudio' and 'speech-dispatcher' as the last argument to dnf search (in place of scons). This way we find the needed development packages. Since these are not package groups but single packages this time we use 'dnf install' instead of 'dnf group' install. localhost$ sudo dnf install python3-scons pulseaudio-libs-devel speech-dispatcher-devel Can someone help please? Sorry for my earlier ignorance. I've been busy on other fronts lately. I didn't do the actual installation of the packages mentioned in this email nor did I try compiling RHVoice. That's left for an excercise to you. Later on if you would like to start packaging software for Fedora you'd need to get used to rpm packaging and spec files. There is pretty good documentation available for that. Hope this helps enough to get started compiling stuff on your box. Regards, Birdie ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
Well Martin: certainly while there are English web-sites which have news from this region, I would rather translate Armenian streams to English audio-and save as an mp3 or dot aac, the same way I would save any audio newscast. Lucky, in many cases, I can now save text stories minus toolbars with rdrview as a LYNX external. While I don't so much mind listening with my DecTalk, I would rather have a more natural voice reading an English translation. Thanks so much in advance Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Don't press enter. Wait for the three tones then wait for speech to > happen. I did that all be it accidentally the first time. Nothing at all but the radio showed enough activity to indicate that it had gone on and was doing other stuff, just not telling me what it was doing. That was a good suggestion, however. Martin > > > -- Jude ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
I've been loosely following this discussion and if there ever was an example of how wonderful unix-like operating systems are, a problem like this accentuates why unix-like systems are so good. Someone mentioned software that translates spoken audio in to English text. Now, all you have to do is feed that text in to a system with a screen reader and you've got exactly a system for delivering English, Spanish or whatever you want with whatever language you are looking for as the input. Of course, the voice will just be the screen reader or whatever text-to-speech engine you re using but still, with the powerful standard output concept of unix, one doesn't need to do a lot of unusual programming requiring linguistic knowledge at all to get where you are trying to go. The problem, of course, will be reduced to a mechanical issue of how do I get the text output from this program sent through standard output to the input of the speech engine? Notice, I've been saying unix-like and that's for a reason. There is Unix with a capital U which is actually a trademark of AT who developed Unix in 1968 or 1969. They wanted to come up with a way to make 1 main-frame computer serve all the workers in a project at what seems to be the same time but, in reality, is a very small difference in time for each client. So, everybody is on a really fast-spinning merry-go-round in which each horse is in the spot light for a fraction of a second and appears to have the computer to themselves. Everything they need is theirs and their's alone for a split second. Then, time is up for them and the computer saves everything from that rider and the next horse comes in to view and so on. If things are good, nobody gets to see what their neighbors are doing unless invited but it's all so fast that nobody notices the slight delay. Linux is an operating system that is like AT's Unix in concept plus a zillion other versions of Linux are the same. DEC in the 1980's had Ultrix and IBM came along with their version of a unix-like OS so probably very few of us are using Unix with a capital U but we all have that Unix to thank for a great idea.. O well, I should stop blathering now but the translation idea is one of the greatest examples I've seen in a long time of what unix-like OS's are really good at. Martin who started learning unix in 1989 and loved it. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi Karen: Honestly, I had not considered which voice or how that would > work. I did write Jeremy directly-and-told him that the program he > suggested is on a site which requires javascript, so I mostly get a blank > page. > > Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Hi, The notes played by GRUB at boot time use the internal buzzer, not the sound card, that's why you could hear these notes. To understand the issue with your hardware it would help to use alsa-info.sh like this (as root to using sudo): alsa-info.sh --no-upload --output alsa-info.txt You can always get the last version of alsa-info.sh like this: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh Feel free to send me the file alsa-info.sh directly: didier at slint dot fr Cheers, Didier Le 26/09/2023 à 15:48, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > I am sorry, but I have bad news. I downloaded the image, sent it > to a 32-GB usb card and tried it. The system immediately found > the EFI partition and played the 3 notes in ascending order > within 5 or 10 seconds after powering on. I pressed Enter and > waited and waited and waited, left the room for a few minutes, > came back, waited some more but that was the last sound. > > Later, it occurred to me that I might get it to talk if > there was a usb sound card since those devices are in common use > everywhere. > > I now had this lap top with a 4-port extender containing > a full-size keyboard and the 128-GB thumb drive that was the > target of the Linux installation so why not also plug in a usb sound > card. > > I did and slint found that card. This is a very good way > to set this part of the installation since the person doing the > install must respond. > > I did make several later tries and confirmed that this > lap top's native sound interface is like a lot of native sound > interfaces in that it is too proprietary for it's own good. > > One of my favorite items when doing this sort of thing is a > portable AM radio to more or less get an electroencephalogram of > whether the computer seems to still be alive. One tunes to a > blank spot near the low end of the AM band if there is no radio > station there and listens to the static that the circuitry in the > computer makes as it computes. > > If something is wrong and the computer locks up, the > crackle, pop, beep and squeak abruptly stop and there is nothing > but the hiss of the radio. > > The computer, in this case, doesn't lock up but slint > never sees a viable native sound interface to probe. I hear lots > of zips, pops squeaks and beeps of all kinds indicating that the > computer is still alive and well but not talking. Adding the usb > sound card gives slint something it can recognize as a sound > interface. It did start voicing the screen just like it should > but it should have found the native interface automatically. > > I have another Debian 11 distribution that uses the same > concept of sending an English message to every sound card asking > one to press enter if this is the correct card and it talks all > the time through the installation process. > > For now, I am using that installer since it is the same > debian version I wanted anyway which is bullseye or debian 11. > > That install image does find the HP lap top's native > sound interface. When the installation is complete, it has > produced some unpleasant surprises on other systems I have used > it on if their native sound cards were particularly complex. One > system, for instance, talked all the way through the installation > but wouldn't reliably talk after booting to the installed system. > Simply unplugging the speaker or plugging in a set of headphones > would kill the audio. It turned out to think that hdmi was > supposed to be the correct output. > > If this helps any, this lap top appears to have no > trouble sending the musical notes at the boot time. The oldest > PC's had a system for making noises which you are probably very > familiar with which used a timer-counter integrated circuit that > was fed from a roughly 1-MHZ clock. The 16-bit counter in the > chip is fed with some constant depending upon what note or pitch > one needs. There is also a gate which connects pure DC to the > speaker or nothing if we are on the low half of the cycle. Tones > are produced by stuffing this constant in to the counter and the > counter counts down to 0 and then restarts after sending a pulse > to the speaker. > > You can get an amazing number of noises out of such a > circuit from Morse Code to at least video-game quality music. > > I am guessing this lap top has some modern version of > that noise-maker timer-counter-switch in order for the music to > come through but obviously, we need to find the built-in sound > card for speech to work. > > I am certainly not complaining about slint. As one who > likes to tinker with computers, PIC microcontrollers and ra
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I bought a crystal usb sound card from thinkpenguin.com I can plug into a laptop like that and maybe have the laptop come up talking. I like amixer set Master 100% unmute && speaker-test to sometimes fix sound card problems like these. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 26 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > On 26/9/23 09:48, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > I did make several later tries and confirmed that this > > lap top's native sound interface is like a lot of native sound > > interfaces in that it is too proprietary for it's own good. > > A few suggestions: > > 1. Try a very recent kernel, just in case compatibility has improved. > > 2. You may need to play with ALSA settings (e.g., amixer) to get the audio > device working. > > If you can start sshd, you should be able to log in from another system to > work on it. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
On 26/9/23 09:48, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I did make several later tries and confirmed that this lap top's native sound interface is like a lot of native sound interfaces in that it is too proprietary for it's own good. A few suggestions: 1. Try a very recent kernel, just in case compatibility has improved. 2. You may need to play with ALSA settings (e.g., amixer) to get the audio device working. If you can start sshd, you should be able to log in from another system to work on it. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Don't press enter. Wait for the three tones then wait for speech to happen. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 26 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I am sorry, but I have bad news. I downloaded the image, sent it > to a 32-GB usb card and tried it. The system immediately found > the EFI partition and played the 3 notes in ascending order > within 5 or 10 seconds after powering on. I pressed Enter and > waited and waited and waited, left the room for a few minutes, > came back, waited some more but that was the last sound. > > Later, it occurred to me that I might get it to talk if > there was a usb sound card since those devices are in common use > everywhere. > > I now had this lap top with a 4-port extender containing > a full-size keyboard and the 128-GB thumb drive that was the > target of the Linux installation so why not also plug in a usb sound > card. > > I did and slint found that card. This is a very good way > to set this part of the installation since the person doing the > install must respond. > > I did make several later tries and confirmed that this > lap top's native sound interface is like a lot of native sound > interfaces in that it is too proprietary for it's own good. > > One of my favorite items when doing this sort of thing is a > portable AM radio to more or less get an electroencephalogram of > whether the computer seems to still be alive. One tunes to a > blank spot near the low end of the AM band if there is no radio > station there and listens to the static that the circuitry in the > computer makes as it computes. > > If something is wrong and the computer locks up, the > crackle, pop, beep and squeak abruptly stop and there is nothing > but the hiss of the radio. > > The computer, in this case, doesn't lock up but slint > never sees a viable native sound interface to probe. I hear lots > of zips, pops squeaks and beeps of all kinds indicating that the > computer is still alive and well but not talking. Adding the usb > sound card gives slint something it can recognize as a sound > interface. It did start voicing the screen just like it should > but it should have found the native interface automatically. > > I have another Debian 11 distribution that uses the same > concept of sending an English message to every sound card asking > one to press enter if this is the correct card and it talks all > the time through the installation process. > > For now, I am using that installer since it is the same > debian version I wanted anyway which is bullseye or debian 11. > > That install image does find the HP lap top's native > sound interface. When the installation is complete, it has > produced some unpleasant surprises on other systems I have used > it on if their native sound cards were particularly complex. One > system, for instance, talked all the way through the installation > but wouldn't reliably talk after booting to the installed system. > Simply unplugging the speaker or plugging in a set of headphones > would kill the audio. It turned out to think that hdmi was > supposed to be the correct output. > > If this helps any, this lap top appears to have no > trouble sending the musical notes at the boot time. The oldest > PC's had a system for making noises which you are probably very > familiar with which used a timer-counter integrated circuit that > was fed from a roughly 1-MHZ clock. The 16-bit counter in the > chip is fed with some constant depending upon what note or pitch > one needs. There is also a gate which connects pure DC to the > speaker or nothing if we are on the low half of the cycle. Tones > are produced by stuffing this constant in to the counter and the > counter counts down to 0 and then restarts after sending a pulse > to the speaker. > > You can get an amazing number of noises out of such a > circuit from Morse Code to at least video-game quality music. > > I am guessing this lap top has some modern version of > that noise-maker timer-counter-switch in order for the music to > come through but obviously, we need to find the built-in sound > card for speech to work. > > I am certainly not complaining about slint. As one who > likes to tinker with computers, PIC microcontrollers and radios, > I know how difficult it is to make just about anything work over > the broad range of situations that public users produce so, if > there is any information I can provide to help, I am glad to do > so. > > Linux for blind general discus
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I am sorry, but I have bad news. I downloaded the image, sent it to a 32-GB usb card and tried it. The system immediately found the EFI partition and played the 3 notes in ascending order within 5 or 10 seconds after powering on. I pressed Enter and waited and waited and waited, left the room for a few minutes, came back, waited some more but that was the last sound. Later, it occurred to me that I might get it to talk if there was a usb sound card since those devices are in common use everywhere. I now had this lap top with a 4-port extender containing a full-size keyboard and the 128-GB thumb drive that was the target of the Linux installation so why not also plug in a usb sound card. I did and slint found that card. This is a very good way to set this part of the installation since the person doing the install must respond. I did make several later tries and confirmed that this lap top's native sound interface is like a lot of native sound interfaces in that it is too proprietary for it's own good. One of my favorite items when doing this sort of thing is a portable AM radio to more or less get an electroencephalogram of whether the computer seems to still be alive. One tunes to a blank spot near the low end of the AM band if there is no radio station there and listens to the static that the circuitry in the computer makes as it computes. If something is wrong and the computer locks up, the crackle, pop, beep and squeak abruptly stop and there is nothing but the hiss of the radio. The computer, in this case, doesn't lock up but slint never sees a viable native sound interface to probe. I hear lots of zips, pops squeaks and beeps of all kinds indicating that the computer is still alive and well but not talking. Adding the usb sound card gives slint something it can recognize as a sound interface. It did start voicing the screen just like it should but it should have found the native interface automatically. I have another Debian 11 distribution that uses the same concept of sending an English message to every sound card asking one to press enter if this is the correct card and it talks all the time through the installation process. For now, I am using that installer since it is the same debian version I wanted anyway which is bullseye or debian 11. That install image does find the HP lap top's native sound interface. When the installation is complete, it has produced some unpleasant surprises on other systems I have used it on if their native sound cards were particularly complex. One system, for instance, talked all the way through the installation but wouldn't reliably talk after booting to the installed system. Simply unplugging the speaker or plugging in a set of headphones would kill the audio. It turned out to think that hdmi was supposed to be the correct output. If this helps any, this lap top appears to have no trouble sending the musical notes at the boot time. The oldest PC's had a system for making noises which you are probably very familiar with which used a timer-counter integrated circuit that was fed from a roughly 1-MHZ clock. The 16-bit counter in the chip is fed with some constant depending upon what note or pitch one needs. There is also a gate which connects pure DC to the speaker or nothing if we are on the low half of the cycle. Tones are produced by stuffing this constant in to the counter and the counter counts down to 0 and then restarts after sending a pulse to the speaker. You can get an amazing number of noises out of such a circuit from Morse Code to at least video-game quality music. I am guessing this lap top has some modern version of that noise-maker timer-counter-switch in order for the music to come through but obviously, we need to find the built-in sound card for speech to work. I am certainly not complaining about slint. As one who likes to tinker with computers, PIC microcontrollers and radios, I know how difficult it is to make just about anything work over the broad range of situations that public users produce so, if there is any information I can provide to help, I am glad to do so. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi Martin, > > sorry for the mistake in the Handbook. Of course I should have written: > > wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso > wget > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 > > then: > sha256sum -c slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 > > I will fix that and/or make a link like slint64-15.0-latest.iso > > Cheers, > Didier ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
sourceforge-net only stores an old 32-bit version. Didier Le 25/09/2023 à 16:29, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > That's how that's done on sourceforge.net. The webmaster would have to do > that, and now sourceforge.net is out of date on latest version for some > reason. > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> That download is happening now. It's the same url except that >> the version number now is 15.5 which is fine and explains what is >> happening. What I copied from the handbook is 15.0. I wish all >> problems were this easy to figure out. A suggestion might be to >> make the url refer to something like latest_version and that designation >> would always describe whatever version was most current. >> >> Martin >> Linux for blind general discussion writes: >>> Have you tried: >>> https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Hi Martin, sorry for the mistake in the HandBook. Of course I should have written: wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 then: sha256sum -c slint64-15.0-5.iso.sha256 I will fix that and/or make a link like slint64-15.0-latest.iso Cheers, Didier Le 25/09/2023 à 14:55, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > I am not sure what is wrong but everything looks normal in the > image-getting phase. I lifted this right out of the handbook: > > wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.iso > wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.iso.sha256 > > The results are as follows: > > --2023-09-25 07:18:15-- > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint6 > 4-15.iso > Resolving slackware.uk (slackware.uk)... 216.119.155.61, > 2a02:2498:e004:2a::a861 > Connecting to slackware.uk (slackware.uk)|216.119.155.61|:443... connected. > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found > 2023-09-25 07:18:16 ERROR 404: Not Found. > > --2023-09-25 07:18:16-- > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint6 > 4-15.iso.sha256 > Resolving slackware.uk (slackware.uk)... 216.119.155.61, > 2a02:2498:e004:2a::a861 > Connecting to slackware.uk (slackware.uk)|216.119.155.61|:443... connected. > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found > 2023-09-25 07:18:17 ERROR 404: Not Found. > > In the past, I have occasionally had urls fail and it was > my fault because I had written some perl code to make reading > email messages and the like read more smoothly by removing some > 8-bit charactors. This did, in fact clean things up but it's > like fire, a wonderful servant but a terrible master. It made > things look fine but sometimes altered punctuation marks and > special symbols so that they were either missing or mangled and > so I thought I had gotten rid of that helper code I had written > for the output handler so I don't know if that bug has bitten > again or what. > urls are where this happens most often. > > I put a textual screen shot of how the wget went so > whatever happened, it is sneaky. > > Anyway, thank you for your help. I am sure that this > should get working soon as I believe that system is probably okay > except for the corrupted Windows drive and I may have to find a > usb instance of Windows 11 for that issue but that's for another > list about the care and feeding of Windows 11. For here and now, > the only problem is that the wget is coming up with 404's all > round. > > Martin > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: >> Hi Martin, >> >> to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you >> requested: >> https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint >> but it was for a previous Slint version. >> >> You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick >> (or a SD >> card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: >> https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint >> >> Cheers, >> Didier > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
That's how that's done on sourceforge.net. The webmaster would have to do that, and now sourceforge.net is out of date on latest version for some reason. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > That download is happening now. It's the same url except that > the version number now is 15.5 which is fine and explains what is > happening. What I copied from the handbook is 15.0. I wish all > problems were this easy to figure out. A suggestion might be to > make the url refer to something like latest_version and that designation > would always describe whatever version was most current. > > Martin > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > Have you tried: > > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
That download is happening now. It's the same url except that the version number now is 15.5 which is fine and explains what is happening. What I copied from the handbook is 15.0. I wish all problems were this easy to figure out. A suggestion might be to make the url refer to something like latest_version and that designation would always describe whatever version was most current. Martin Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Have you tried: > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Have you tried: https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.0-5.iso -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Mon, 25 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I appreciate all this information because I got in a bit of a > hurry and ended up at the wrong site and the web monster showed > me a 3-GB image for slint which I downloaded. The download went > fine and the image flowed like good wine on to a 4-GB usb stick. > > slint-14.2.iso?viasf=1 > > Whatever this is, it's not a bootable image but probably all the > sources which is a nice thing to have but won't do the job at > hand right now. I should mount it and see what's there but it > produced a thumb drive with 1 single partition of type hidden > according to fdisk -l /dev/sdx. > > This whole project is going fairly nicely in that my wife helped > me turn off secureboot and change the boot order to usb first > then internal drive and, if the internal drive wasn't sick, I'd > be up and running. > > Another debian-11 distro on a different thumb drive jups > right in to the installation routine if you type s at the beeps > and the system seems to just love it. > > Since the keyboard is a laptop keyboard, getting a > secondary tty is a bit tricky. I had good beginners' luck after > getting to the partitioner but I haven't been able to duplicate > that more than once. I held alt+F1, I think and got the second > console and was able to look around in /dev. The mentally-ill > internal drive, however, was nowhere to be found and the only > /dev/sdx listing was my boot drive for Linux. > > I killed everything and restarted but couldn't get the > second console or any of the others to show but the partitioner, > this time could see every drive in the system and their > descriptions were spot on so I could have installed then had I > wanted to do so. > > I could see that the internal drive is a Kingston ssD > with 2 terabytes and all the partitions including Microsoft's > partition were listed. I am sorely tempted to plug a real > keyboard in to a usb converter which has a number pad like the > good Lord meant keyboards to have, I mean a real number pad, not > these fake ones that only give you numbers but have no numlock to > cycle back and forth. > > When I was going to the school for the blind, they > started us in typing on QWERTY keyboards back in 1962 when I was > in the Fifth grade so it's nice when stuff stays in the usual > place. > > That time when I could see all the drives on the system > and could have installed Linux, I kept getting a really nice > keyboard help instead of the secondary consoles so I don't know > what changed but I couldn't call them up any more. > > The keyboard help said F1 when I pressed the key to the > right of Escape so alt + that should have switched to tty1 from > tty0. > > Anyway, I'll try your suggestion and see if I get slint > when I put that image in. > > When I get Windows 11 working again, I will have a laptop > with windows 11 or a Linux laptop if I plug in the slint image, > hopefully the correct one this time. > > I do see that the CMOS clock is right in that if I do the > date command from /dev/tty1, I see a utc date that is appropriate > for my time zone. Older Windows systems set the CMOS clock based > on local time so this one is new enough to do it the right way. > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > Hi Martin, > > > > to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you > > requested: > > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint > > but it was for a previous Slint version. > > > > You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick > > (or a SD > > card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: > > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint > > > > Cheers, > > Didier > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Note that if you're in a graphical environment, switching to a virtual terminal is achieved with ctrl-altF1, ctrl-alt-F2, etc., and at least one of those terminals will be taken up by your graphical session. These days, tty1 is usually devoted to the graphical session; possibly tty2 as well. On 25/9/23 07:38, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I appreciate all this information because I got in a bit of a hurry and ended up at the wrong site and the web monster showed me a 3-GB image for slint which I downloaded. The download went fine and the image flowed like good wine on to a 4-GB usb stick. slint-14.2.iso?viasf=1 Whatever this is, it's not a bootable image but probably all the sources which is a nice thing to have but won't do the job at hand right now. I should mount it and see what's there but it produced a thumb drive with 1 single partition of type hidden according to fdisk -l /dev/sdx. This whole project is going fairly nicely in that my wife helped me turn off secureboot and change the boot order to usb first then internal drive and, if the internal drive wasn't sick, I'd be up and running. Another debian-11 distro on a different thumb drive jups right in to the installation routine if you type s at the beeps and the system seems to just love it. Since the keyboard is a laptop keyboard, getting a secondary tty is a bit tricky. I had good beginners' luck after getting to the partitioner but I haven't been able to duplicate that more than once. I held alt+F1, I think and got the second console and was able to look around in /dev. The mentally-ill internal drive, however, was nowhere to be found and the only /dev/sdx listing was my boot drive for Linux. I killed everything and restarted but couldn't get the second console or any of the others to show but the partitioner, this time could see every drive in the system and their descriptions were spot on so I could have installed then had I wanted to do so. I could see that the internal drive is a Kingston ssD with 2 terabytes and all the partitions including Microsoft's partition were listed. I am sorely tempted to plug a real keyboard in to a usb converter which has a number pad like the good Lord meant keyboards to have, I mean a real number pad, not these fake ones that only give you numbers but have no numlock to cycle back and forth. When I was going to the school for the blind, they started us in typing on QWERTY keyboards back in 1962 when I was in the Fifth grade so it's nice when stuff stays in the usual place. That time when I could see all the drives on the system and could have installed Linux, I kept getting a really nice keyboard help instead of the secondary consoles so I don't know what changed but I couldn't call them up any more. The keyboard help said F1 when I pressed the key to the right of Escape so alt + that should have switched to tty1 from tty0. Anyway, I'll try your suggestion and see if I get slint when I put that image in. When I get Windows 11 working again, I will have a laptop with windows 11 or a Linux laptop if I plug in the slint image, hopefully the correct one this time. I do see that the CMOS clock is right in that if I do the date command from /dev/tty1, I see a utc date that is appropriate for my time zone. Older Windows systems set the CMOS clock based on local time so this one is new enough to do it the right way. Linux for blind general discussion writes: Hi Martin, to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you requested: https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint but it was for a previous Slint version. You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick (or a SD card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint Cheers, Didier ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I am not sure what is wrong but everything looks normal in the image-getting phase. I lifted this right out of the handbook: wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.iso wget https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint64-15.iso.sha256 The results are as follows: --2023-09-25 07:18:15-- https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint6 4-15.iso Resolving slackware.uk (slackware.uk)... 216.119.155.61, 2a02:2498:e004:2a::a861 Connecting to slackware.uk (slackware.uk)|216.119.155.61|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2023-09-25 07:18:16 ERROR 404: Not Found. --2023-09-25 07:18:16-- https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-15.0/iso/slint6 4-15.iso.sha256 Resolving slackware.uk (slackware.uk)... 216.119.155.61, 2a02:2498:e004:2a::a861 Connecting to slackware.uk (slackware.uk)|216.119.155.61|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2023-09-25 07:18:17 ERROR 404: Not Found. In the past, I have occasionally had urls fail and it was my fault because I had written some perl code to make reading email messages and the like read more smoothly by removing some 8-bit charactors. This did, in fact clean things up but it's like fire, a wonderful servant but a terrible master. It made things look fine but sometimes altered punctuation marks and special symbols so that they were either missing or mangled and so I thought I had gotten rid of that helper code I had written for the output handler so I don't know if that bug has bitten again or what. urls are where this happens most often. I put a textual screen shot of how the wget went so whatever happened, it is sneaky. Anyway, thank you for your help. I am sure that this should get working soon as I believe that system is probably okay except for the corrupted Windows drive and I may have to find a usb instance of Windows 11 for that issue but that's for another list about the care and feeding of Windows 11. For here and now, the only problem is that the wget is coming up with 404's all round. Martin Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi Martin, > > to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you > requested: > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint > but it was for a previous Slint version. > > You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick > (or a SD > card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint > > Cheers, > Didier ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I appreciate all this information because I got in a bit of a hurry and ended up at the wrong site and the web monster showed me a 3-GB image for slint which I downloaded. The download went fine and the image flowed like good wine on to a 4-GB usb stick. slint-14.2.iso?viasf=1 Whatever this is, it's not a bootable image but probably all the sources which is a nice thing to have but won't do the job at hand right now. I should mount it and see what's there but it produced a thumb drive with 1 single partition of type hidden according to fdisk -l /dev/sdx. This whole project is going fairly nicely in that my wife helped me turn off secureboot and change the boot order to usb first then internal drive and, if the internal drive wasn't sick, I'd be up and running. Another debian-11 distro on a different thumb drive jups right in to the installation routine if you type s at the beeps and the system seems to just love it. Since the keyboard is a laptop keyboard, getting a secondary tty is a bit tricky. I had good beginners' luck after getting to the partitioner but I haven't been able to duplicate that more than once. I held alt+F1, I think and got the second console and was able to look around in /dev. The mentally-ill internal drive, however, was nowhere to be found and the only /dev/sdx listing was my boot drive for Linux. I killed everything and restarted but couldn't get the second console or any of the others to show but the partitioner, this time could see every drive in the system and their descriptions were spot on so I could have installed then had I wanted to do so. I could see that the internal drive is a Kingston ssD with 2 terabytes and all the partitions including Microsoft's partition were listed. I am sorely tempted to plug a real keyboard in to a usb converter which has a number pad like the good Lord meant keyboards to have, I mean a real number pad, not these fake ones that only give you numbers but have no numlock to cycle back and forth. When I was going to the school for the blind, they started us in typing on QWERTY keyboards back in 1962 when I was in the Fifth grade so it's nice when stuff stays in the usual place. That time when I could see all the drives on the system and could have installed Linux, I kept getting a really nice keyboard help instead of the secondary consoles so I don't know what changed but I couldn't call them up any more. The keyboard help said F1 when I pressed the key to the right of Escape so alt + that should have switched to tty1 from tty0. Anyway, I'll try your suggestion and see if I get slint when I put that image in. When I get Windows 11 working again, I will have a laptop with windows 11 or a Linux laptop if I plug in the slint image, hopefully the correct one this time. I do see that the CMOS clock is right in that if I do the date command from /dev/tty1, I see a utc date that is appropriate for my time zone. Older Windows systems set the CMOS clock based on local time so this one is new enough to do it the right way. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi Martin, > > to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you > requested: > https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint > but it was for a previous Slint version. > > You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick > (or a SD > card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: > https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint > > Cheers, > Didier ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RHVoice under Fedora question
Hi, I want to install RHVoice from source under Fedora, but I have a problem identifiing names of the correct dependencies. Ubuntu says: apt-get install gcc g++ pkg-config scons libpulse-dev libspeechd-dev So gcc and g++ are ok, but I can not find the correct package names for other dependencies. Can someone help please? Thanks, Pavel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
Hi Karen: Honestly, I had not considered which voice or how that would work. I did write Jeremy directly-and-told him that the program he suggested is on a site which requires javascript, so I mostly get a blank page. Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
Hi Chime, Your answer here has me a touch confused. If I follow, you want to say take an audio file of a newscast, feed it through this program, and have it produce English audio..using what voice source? Kare On Sat, 23 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Thank you, I had to install python3-whisper. Will examine it. I would prefer if the translation would also come back as audio. Thanks again. Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
I suspect there's nothing readily available in terms of direct automated audio-to-audio translation, even in the paid realm and that the best that can currently be done is speech-to-text on the input stream, machine translation on the outputted text, and then text-to-speech on the translated text. Though passable real-time translation of audio would be pretty darn cool. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
Thank you, I had to install python3-whisper. Will examine it. I would prefer if the translation would also come back as audio. Thanks again. Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
Sounds like you want whisper. It's an AI audio to text thing, from what I understand. There are docker containers for it. Beyond that, I don't know much else. But you can feed it recordings and have it spit back text, so it seems to be what you want. I don't know how many languages are available for it, though. - Original Message - From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Blinux Discussion List Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 16:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Can I Translate Audio Among Languages? > Hi All: Ideally, it would be wonderful if I could bringup a stream, lets say > in > Armenian, but have it play it for me in English. Otherwise, if one couldn't do > that live, I could install some software in Debian-and-feed it a recording. In > reality, I am a news-junky, but there seem no Armenian news-channels in > English. You would also think that Google has translation services-and-they > also own youtube, I should be able to pass it a flag to convert. I hope I've > explained what I am looking for. There are several Armenian sites with English > news, but so-far none with English audio or video. Thanks so much in advance > Chime > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Can I Translate Audio Among Languages?
Hi All: Ideally, it would be wonderful if I could bringup a stream, lets say in Armenian, but have it play it for me in English. Otherwise, if one couldn't do that live, I could install some software in Debian-and-feed it a recording. In reality, I am a news-junky, but there seem no Armenian news-channels in English. You would also think that Google has translation services-and-they also own youtube, I should be able to pass it a flag to convert. I hope I've explained what I am looking for. There are several Armenian sites with English news, but so-far none with English audio or video. Thanks so much in advance Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I used the current release of GRML today for system recovery purposes (Grub needed to be reinstalled). After booting it from a USB drive, I ran both BRLTTY and Speakup from the shell prompt. I probably could have enabled them during the boot procedure, but I was in a hurry. All worked as expected, including detection of the braille display. On 22/9/23 18:20, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hi Martin, to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you requested: https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint but it was for a previous Slint version. You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick (or a SD card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint Cheers, Didier Le 22/09/2023 à 22:56, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : Thanks. I've wanted to give slint a try and this would be a perfect time to try it. Martin Linux for blind general discussion writes: I think slint can fill the bill for you. You can put slint on a flash drive if you need to do that and have it install for you. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Hi Martin, to clarify, I have provided an image of an installed system as you requested: https://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/minislint/README.minislint but it was for a previous Slint version. You'd be better off installing the most recent version in an USB stick (or a SD card in an USB enclosure) as indicated in: https://slint.fr/en/HandBook.html#_install_slint Cheers, Didier Le 22/09/2023 à 22:56, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > Thanks. I've wanted to give slint a try and this would be a > perfect time to try it. > > Martin > Linux for blind general discussion writes: >> I think slint can fill the bill for you. You can put slint on a flash >> drive if you need to do that and have it install for you. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
Thanks. I've wanted to give slint a try and this would be a perfect time to try it. Martin Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I think slint can fill the bill for you. You can put slint on a flash > drive if you need to do that and have it install for you. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I think slint can fill the bill for you. You can put slint on a flash drive if you need to do that and have it install for you. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I have a HP Pavilion lap top system which my wife was using to > run Windows 11 and it is presently failing to boot but > fortunately for this list, that is not what I am really here to > post about. > > What I think I need is a bootable version of linux which > is similar in behavior to the many Raspberry Pi images available > that can fit on a SSD card. Usually, they are compressed and > will fill the SSD card one has written the image to so they are > not your standard iso live CD's but one uses it as a > self-contained Linux system. What I want to do is keep Windows > 11 on the SSD but get the laptop capable of booting off of a > bootable usb drive if it is present. If not, it goes ahead and > boots Windows. > > This will probably require changing the BIOS settings to > turn off secureboot and have usb be the first boot candidate > tried. > > Right now, for this discussion, I am asking if there is > such an image for a 64-bit system. If it talks, that's the icing > on the cake but if not, I still might be able to use it via ssh > from a system that does talk. > > I want to use this instance of Linux to try to fix the > problem the dead box is having but also use Linux to backup the > box since Windows does not have a native backup program. This > also gives me yet another portable Linux box as if I needed one. > > As far as this list is concerned, is there something like > this out there and does it talk? > > Another reason why I have not simply tried to use a > debian installation image is frankly because there is a slight > chance of accidentally installing it on the SSD where Windows 11 > currently lives so I want to avoid that if possible. > > The idea is to do no more harm than has already been > done. From what I read based on the error screen, the problem is > fixable but if I write to the wrong device, that pretty well > blows things up so I am playing it safe if possible. > > One person mentioned grml with clonzilla which sounds > like a good thing but at this stage, I am open to any suggestion. > Don't forget that it's a laptop so one can't just pop drives and > memory cards in and out like one should be able to do in a > desktop system so I am trying to avoid doing that unless the SSD > proves to be bad. > > Thanks. > > Martin McCormick > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Talking Images for 64-bit Laptop
I have a HP Pavilion lap top system which my wife was using to run Windows 11 and it is presently failing to boot but fortunately for this list, that is not what I am really here to post about. What I think I need is a bootable version of linux which is similar in behavior to the many Raspberry Pi images available that can fit on a SSD card. Usually, they are compressed and will fill the SSD card one has written the image to so they are not your standard iso live CD's but one uses it as a self-contained Linux system. What I want to do is keep Windows 11 on the SSD but get the laptop capable of booting off of a bootable usb drive if it is present. If not, it goes ahead and boots Windows. This will probably require changing the BIOS settings to turn off secureboot and have usb be the first boot candidate tried. Right now, for this discussion, I am asking if there is such an image for a 64-bit system. If it talks, that's the icing on the cake but if not, I still might be able to use it via ssh from a system that does talk. I want to use this instance of Linux to try to fix the problem the dead box is having but also use Linux to backup the box since Windows does not have a native backup program. This also gives me yet another portable Linux box as if I needed one. As far as this list is concerned, is there something like this out there and does it talk? Another reason why I have not simply tried to use a debian installation image is frankly because there is a slight chance of accidentally installing it on the SSD where Windows 11 currently lives so I want to avoid that if possible. The idea is to do no more harm than has already been done. From what I read based on the error screen, the problem is fixable but if I write to the wrong device, that pretty well blows things up so I am playing it safe if possible. One person mentioned grml with clonzilla which sounds like a good thing but at this stage, I am open to any suggestion. Don't forget that it's a laptop so one can't just pop drives and memory cards in and out like one should be able to do in a desktop system so I am trying to avoid doing that unless the SSD proves to be bad. Thanks. Martin McCormick ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
