Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)
From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12 MYA: The last recorded wolfling race, the Paranaj, is discovered. Within 1000 years it is extinct. 52 KYA: The last recorded wolfling race, the Paranaj, is discovered. Within a thousand years, it is extinct. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: My .sig
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: snipped to avoid copyright problems The contents of this message © 2004 by the author. All rights reserved. Any reproduction, redistribution, duplication, forwarding, dissemination, publication, broadcast, transmission or other use of the contents of this message, in whole or in part, with or without attribution, with or without this copyright statement, in any form by any means whatsoever is strictly and expressly prohibited.² What I'm trying to say is that in actual effect I cannot quote any of your message to reply to since it has been copywrited. If I were employed in a sensitive area I would be that carefull. Maybe you'll agree that this is a bit over the top. So although it is understandable I gues that this is probably not what you intended. :O) Sonja ;o) GCU: You'll never be able to prevent some from inflicting malice on you when they really have set their hart on hurting you or your loved ones. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Human Sacrifices Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official
At 06:05 PM 1/18/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: Judges 11:31 - 40. Virgin Burnt Offering. I'm glad to know that you put such stock in The Bible to believe everything you read. If I didn't know better, I'd say that The Fool is becoming a Christian on us. :-) 30 Jephthah made a vow to the LORD.(2) If you deliver the Ammonites into my power, he said, 31 whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites shall belong to the LORD. I shall offer him up as a holocaust. 32 Jephthah then went on to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD delivered them into his power, 33 so that he inflicted a severe defeat on them, from Aroer to the approach of Minnith (twenty cities in all) and as far as Abel-keramin. Thus were the Ammonites brought into subjection by the Israelites. 34 When Jephthah returned to his house in Mizpah, it was his daughter who came forth, playing the tambourines and dancing. She was an only child: he had neither son nor daughter besides her. 35 When he saw her, he rent his garments and said, Alas, daughter, you have struck me down and brought calamity upon me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and I cannot retract. 36 Father, she replied, you have made a vow to the LORD. Do with me as you have vowed, because the LORD has wrought vengeance for you on your enemies the Ammonites. 37 3 Then she said to her father, Let me have this favor. Spare me for two months, that I may go off down the mountains to mourn my virginity with my companions. 38 Go, he replied, and sent her away for two months. So she departed with her companions and mourned her virginity on the mountains. 39 At the end of the two months she returned to her father, who did to her as he had vowed. She had not been intimate with man. It then became a custom in Israel 40 for Israelite women to go yearly to mourn the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite for four days of the year. Footnotes 2 [30-40] The text clearly implies that Jephthah vowed a human sacrifice, according to the custom of his pagan neighbors; cf 2 Kings 3:27. The inspired author merely records the fact; he does not approve of the action. 3 [37] Mourn my virginity: to bear children was woman's greatest pride; to be childless was regarded as a great misfortune. Hence Jephthah's daughter asks permission to mourn the fact that she will be put to death before she can bear children. New American Bible Copyright © 1991, 1986, 1970 Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, Inc., Washington, DC. ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NFL Championship Picks
At 05:15 PM 1/18/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: We're rooting for the kickers right now -- they're up 13-12. :) Kickers won, 20-18. Julia oh, and the Patriots will be heading to the Super Bowl, sorry, John... I have one thing to say about this GO PANTHERS!! JDG ;-) ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NFL Championship Picks
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 05:15 PM 1/18/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: We're rooting for the kickers right now -- they're up 13-12. :) Kickers won, 20-18. Julia oh, and the Patriots will be heading to the Super Bowl, sorry, John... I have one thing to say about this GO PANTHERS!! JDG ;-) Before yesterday's games, I had decided that I wanted to root for whichever AFC team made it, against whichever NFC team made it. So I guess one of us will be disappointed. (But at least, we won't have *both* of us disappointed, right?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NFL Championship Picks
At 11:53 AM 1/19/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: Before yesterday's games, I had decided that I wanted to root for whichever AFC team made it, against whichever NFC team made it. So I guess one of us will be disappointed. (But at least, we won't have *both* of us disappointed, right?) Well.yeah.My first read on this game is that I like the Patriots to win big. Although the Patriots benefitted from some extraordinary luck in their last Super Bowl run, the various breaks that have gone their way this year have hardly been untoward. They play exceedingly tough and hard-nosed football. At any rate, the Panthers - while an incredilbe story of perseverance - are also the beneficiaries of an extraordinary down-cycle in the NFC, as well as the beneficiaries of being a division that should have been one of the best in football this year, but instead fall flat on its face.I don't think that the phrase just happy to be here has applied so aptly to a Super Bowl team since the Chargers somehow snuck into the big game in the mid-1990's. As for the game itself, the Panthers should really struggle running the ball against the Patriots front 7, and I fully expect Bill Belichick's defensive mind to thoroughly confuse and befuddle Jake Delhomme. This game might even end up as a shutout. As for my heart, Boston got their Super Bowl win a few years back, and so I'd be more than happy to see the plucky Panthers bring home a Championship for Charlotte. I won't, however, be holding my breath. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: religious/political question
At 12:43 PM 10/30/2003 + Robert J. Chassell wrote: More important than strength and intelligence in the character of an American presidential candidate is humility. Whatever one thinks of President George W Bush, he cultivates the same sort of folksy image that served former president Jimmy Carter so well. I personally think that all of this owes far more to Cincinnatus than to Jesus. JDG - Jefferson probably had something to do with it too. ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
A Grand but Costly Vision
excerpt: But what makes NASA's human-spaceflight programme most unfortunate is that it consumes two-thirds of the agency's budget, and squeezes the scientifically useful things (such as the Mars rovers) that the agency does, and does well. That is likely to get worse with the budget reallocation that Mr Bush is proposing in order to pay for his plans. Last year, the House of Representatives' Committee on Science was warned that the net impact of people on a spacecraft is to greatly limit its range and capabilities, without adding any value that can begin to compensate. The best estimate is that putting people on a spacecraft multiplies the cost ten-fold. But nobody has taken any notice. *** A grand but costly vision Jan 15th 2004 From The Economist print edition Publicly financed space-exploration should be about science not political grandstanding IN THE past week, plans for a manned lunar base, and a subsequent trip to Mars, were leaking from Washington, DC, almost as fast as air from the international space station. Was President George Bush testing the water to see if his bold vision would be a vote winner? If that was the plan, he would not have liked the response even before he announced it formally in a grand speech on January 14th (see article). Despite public delight at the success of the current robotic Mars missions, one of the earliest polls (by AP/Ipsos) on the idea of returning humans to the moon and then advancing to Mars suggested that most Americans think the money would be better spent domestically. As one of those polled so eloquently put it, You can't have a war, cut taxes, have the economy in a garbage pail and spend billions going into space. The proposals actually turned out to be more modest than the rumours, though they do focus the efforts of NASA, America's space agency, even more heavily on human spaceflight than at present. They involve an extended human presence on the moon, in order to use it as a stepping stone for human missions to Mars and to worlds beyond. But even modest proposals in space can be costly. So although the big spending on these ideas is actually scheduled for the never-never-land beyond the possible incumbency of Mr Bush, it is still fair to question now whether they would be wise things to do. On the face of things, it does not appear so. Adding it up, human spaceflight has cost America more than just the lives of astronauts. The Apollo moon programme cost approximately $100 billion in 2002 dollars. The shuttle has cost about $150 billion since its birth in 1971, according to research from the University of Colorado. And the still-unfinished space station has cost $25 billion so far. Nor does anybody really know how much Mr Bush's proposals will end up costing, and the bitter lesson of the past is that it is unwise to believe the figure that is given at the outset. Tripling any such number would be a start. Realistically, a 10-15-year return-to-the-moon programme, if run by NASA in the usual way, would cost tens of billions of dollars. For this cash, Americans will get to watch a handful of people roam not very far on the lunar surface, and they will have the huge satisfaction of knowing they have returned before the Chinese make their first visit. As to the price of Mars and beyond, the sky is, as it were, the limit. Bottling moonbeams Thinking optimistically, it is just possible that all this flimflam is actually a cunning plan to scuttle the shuttle once and for all. NASA has resolutely clung on to this old, dangerous and costly vehicle. Part of Mr Bush's project involves ending the shuttle programme in 2010. Offering the agency the moon tomorrow -- complete with all the flashy new hardware required to get people and materials up there -- in exchange for a shuttle-retirement plan today would be a clever ploy. Plans for running around the moon could then be scaled back by future budget cuts. From the sound of it, though, Mr Bush means what he says, and his plans look like the latest in a long line of bold visions proposed to transform NASA. Ironically, it was an obsession with the moon which got NASA into its current mess. The original moon race was, of course, far more about ideology than science. Money was lavished on the moon-shot primarily to prove which system.communist and restricted, or capitalist and free.would prevail. NASA's victory seemed to answer that question. The riches of Apollo, however, are NASA's albatross today. The agency was built, and remains constructed, in a mindset of central planning in which it exists largely to spend lavish billions from government on uncommercial and unjustifiable projects. But bold government visions and expensive white elephants such as the shuttle and manned flights to the moon do little to advance human knowledge. Even many space enthusiasts now warn that only private enterprise will truly drive human expansion into space, and yet America's government keeps
Re: SotU 2004 drinking game
Kevin Tarr wrote: http://www.drinkinggame.us/ I think they left one off. I'm not saying this to partisan but what about a drink where they show a democrat not clapping; two if you can name them. Kevin T. - VRWC I'll start tonight 1) I'm not drinking these days. (Might make an exception sometime this month, but not for SotU.) 2) No tequila in the house. 3) How soon do you have to stop messing with a Texan when he says Don't mess with Texas!? Julia last drinking game I actually played was a Ranma drinking game ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SotU 2004 drinking game
Kevin Tarr wrote: http://www.drinkinggame.us/ Their countdown thingie is an hour off, BTW. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SotU 2004 drinking game
At 08:37 PM 1/19/2004, you wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: http://www.drinkinggame.us/ Their countdown thingie is an hour off, BTW. Julia Not where the SotU is coming from. But I'm sure you knew that. Kevin T. - VRWC When does cycling season start? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SotU 2004 drinking game
Kevin Tarr wrote: At 08:37 PM 1/19/2004, you wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: http://www.drinkinggame.us/ Their countdown thingie is an hour off, BTW. Julia Not where the SotU is coming from. But I'm sure you knew that. Yeah. I e-mailed one of the guys responsible, and it just checks your computer's time and assumes you're in the Eastern time zone. :P Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: One more bit of ecconomic data
On 20 Jan 2004, at 12:31 am, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 09:14:41PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: OK, first analysis of income by 20% grouping and top 5%. RR + GB^2Clinton 1st 20% 7.6% 15.9% 2nd 20% 8.9% 15.5% 3rd 20% 11.2% 14.6% 4th 20% 14.0% 15.8% 5th 20% 24.8% 28.8% top 5% 40.7% 43.4% The numbers don't exactly match with the GDP numbers for a couple of reasons. There was approximately 2%-3% greater growth in the numbers of households under RR + GB^2 than under Clinton. The share of the GDP growth that went to household income was greater under Clinton. That is fairly strong evidence in support of your contention that Democrats are better for the poor than Republicans. Under Clinton, the bottom 40% had approximately DOUBLE the rate of growth as under the best 8 years of RR + GB^2, as you said. I wonder why JDG hasn't commented. One wouldn't want to let contingent facts get in the way of revealed truth :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX. - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Kerry Wins Iowa
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040120/D8069JTO1.html John Kerry rode an 11th-hour surge to victory in Iowa's kickoff presidential caucuses, upsetting Democratic front-runner Howard Dean and stunning caucus favorite Dick Gephardt. Kerry's comeback blew the nomination fight wide open, setting the stage for a free-for-all in New Hampshire's follow-up primary. Gephardt scrapped plans to fly to New Hampshire for next week's primary after a disappointing fourth-place finish in the Iowa caucuses, a source said Monday night, possibly signaling the end of his presidential campaign. I want to thank Iowa for making me the Comeback Kerry, Kerry said in an interview with The Associated Press. Two weeks ago, Dean and Gephardt were the co-favorites, but Monday night the former Vermont governor was stuck in third. He pledged to plow ahead, saying, on to New Hampshire. Gephardt, winner of the 1988 caucuses, was falling far short of the victory he needed to keep his political career alive. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina was in second. It feels terrific, Edwards said as he awaited the final results at a downtown hotel. What's happened here the last two weeks with my campaign has been phenomenal. In an echo of Bill Clinton's line from the 1992 New Hampshire primary, Kerry talked about his late surge. We came from behind here, and we came for a fight here, and my message is now to the special interest who call the White House home: We're coming to you. Just weeks ago, before the Iowa race turned testy and tumultuous, Dean was the undisputed front-runner - and anything less than a victory for him would shake up the crowded field, raising questions about his Internet-driven organization and anti-establishment message. Late-deciding voters turned away from mistake-prone Dean and his signature position in opposition to the Iraq war did not seem to resonate. With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, Kerry had 37.9 percent, Edwards 32.1 percent, Dean 18 percent and Gephardt 10.6 percent. An AP analysis of the Iowa delegate count showed Kerry with seven delegates, Edwards with six delegates and Dean with three, with 29 delegates still to be allocated. xponent It Begins Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: religious/political question
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:58 AM 11/1/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote: Bullshit. I ask again: Why should anyone consider a parasitic lump of undifferentiated cells any differently from a cancer? Because cancers are of the hosts genetic code, and because children are of a unique and individual genetic code. So should we consider mouth / intestinal bacteria to have human rights because they have unique and individual genetic codes different from the host? For someone who whinges incessantly about Orwellian NewSpeak equating reproduction with parasitism is one of the most incredible redefinitions I have ever seen. Thats exactly what a fetus is. My pet cat is also a parasite. The reproduction you cite is inherently parasitic. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Soro Religion
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Re: 2004 Elections
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't yet commented on the 2004 Elections here on the Brin-L List. snipped most First, while the old cliche goes that you should never make the mistake of re-fighting the last election I think that cliche meets its maker this year, as the 50-50 nation holds and a very tight race ensues.And since a Democratic blowout is nearly inconceivable against an incumbent with a solid economy, and a Bush blowout isn't any fun to discuss, I'm going to base the rest of my analysis on the assumption of a close race, and my general assumption of Dean as the nominee with someone like Clark or Bob Graham as the VP. I also think that it will be a close race; having learned a bit about Kerry I think he'd be a good bet, but of course Dean does have that solid grass-roots base. Clark as VP also makes sense to me. I'm pulling for 2 of these 3 to be on the Dem ticket (but can't call it a prediction b/c I'm going with my gut ;} ). And of course I'm for a Dem win... :) CO - Next time around, a massive influx of Hispanics and suburbanites may make Colorado competitive, but for now Bush holds onto this core conservative State. Probably so; however ~70,000 jobs have been lost state-wide over the past 2 years (and since 1939 there had been job growth or stability), and bankruptcies were at an all-time high in 2003. The forecast is modest improvement in 2004. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_2566224,00.html ...Economists and industry leaders say it's clear that high-tech job cuts in Colorado have subsided compared with 2001 and 2002, when layoffs flowed like spring runoff and companies slashed hundreds of positions in one swipe. The Denver area lost an estimated 13,000 to 20,000 net jobs in 2003, which is significantly lower than the 40,000 net decrease in 2002... ...And although the national economy is improving, it's not bringing jobs with it. Employers added just 1,000 jobs last month, way below the 100,000 to 150,000 analysts expected. And Colorado's unemployment rate is at 5.6 percent, up a bit over a year ago... http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_2508342,00.html ...The forecast for 1.5 percent job growth in the coming year will follow two years in which Colorado actually lost jobs - the first time that has occurred since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking such data in 1939... (This site has obvious bias, and their figure is higher -- 84K jobs lost in CO since Bush took office -- but I include it for those who've heard the higher number.) http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/DENVER%20FINAL%20JOBS%20SHEET.pdf http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E33%257E1863913,00.html?search=filter Colorado residents and companies filed a record number of bankruptcy cases in 2003, outstripping the previous year's tally by 21.3 percent. Brad Bolton, clerk of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court's Colorado division, described Colorado's jump in cases from 21,260 in 2002 to 25,786 in 2003 as the highest percentage increase in the nation. He does not foresee a repeat this year. For 2004, I do not expect the increase to continue to accelerate at that pace, Bolton said. It's not conceivable. We are already seeing a leveling off. Several bankruptcy lawyers attributed the state's jump in cases to a dramatic rise in personal filings. Colorado's economy has struggled since 2000 amid job losses, particularly in the telecommunications and technology industries... ...Colorado's economy itself right now is lagging behind most other states in terms of the recovery, said Tom Connolly of Broomfield law firm Connolly, Rosania and Loftstedt... Debbi who learned today that *another* person she knows is getting laid off __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Soro Religion
In a message dated 1/19/2004 9:39:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are Soro Obeyors? What about Gubru? I see the Gubru as being able to self rationalize any side their leaders choose. Unlike Earthclan, which grew out of such petty differences, it's all a matter of color to the Gubru William Tayor -- Wow. A question on religion that shouldn't ruffle any list tailfeathers. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Yellowstone Volcano Observatory
--- Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my travels online today, I ran across a reference that took me to another reference that eventually led me to the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory home page. There is some very interesting information here as well as some spectacular pictures and maps. One map in particular shows the areas of US that were probably covered by Ash from Yellowstone's last few eruptions over the last 2 million years. I can't imagine just how catastrophic that would be today: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/figures/fig3.html Yellowstone Volcano Observatory home page http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/index.html From the above I clicked to http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/new.html which has a nifty-cool bathymetric relief map of Yellowstone Lake, and some FAQs about the 'bulging bottom.' :) Yellowstone is utter-gloss to visit -- the geysers are marvelous, the 'mud-pots' would make Pumba squeal with joy (that, or cook him!), and the wildlife a sure-to-see (bison elk fer sure, and good chance for moose, pelican, golden eagle or pronghorn). Debbi And Don't Forget The Wildflowers Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)
I wrote: I also think that it will be a close race; having learned a bit about Kerry I think he'd be a good bet... I'd thought of him as rather lugubrious before, but I was pleasantly surprised by the way he carried himself on one of yesterday's Sunday-morning political show interviews -- he seemed animated and much more dynamic. Thanks for the post, Rob. Debbi Boring Is Good Only If You're Mining Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
