Re: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Bryon Daly]

On 12/13/05, Gary Nunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I looked this up on IMDB and it is called Chiefs. Not the same one though.
> But feel free to keep sending ideas :-)


I remember watching Chiefs with my mom back when it aired (in '83), and when

the credits rolled, she got up, watched them closely and pointed to a name
when
it scrolled by.  It was my father, credited as sound mixer.  Somehow she had
recognized his work despite us not having seen him for 10+ years.

I just checked on IMDB myself to make sure I remember correctly (I do), and
it turns
out he's now the sound mixer for Law & Order SVU, a show I watch regularly.
wierd.
I think my mom also watches it, I'll have to ask her if she noticed.

-bryon
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Re: Cocoa additives

[Dave Land]

On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


At 12:54 AM Tuesday 12/13/2005, Dave Land wrote:

On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:


My wife says that nutmeg goes with everything.  But I personally
have always enjoyed mixing sweet with hot and spicy.  Think mango
and chipotle peppers together, for an example, or papaya and  
cayenne.


Funny how things go in circles...

10 years or so, when Kevin was diagnosed, I was on a mailing list
called Cancer-L for cancer patients and caregivers. A number of
recipes for cayenne candy were given to help people suffering from
chemo-induced mouth sores. Evidently, it takes *lots* of cayenne
to be effective.

If you're interested in the recipe, Google "Cancer-L cayenne". You
may want to ignore the advice given in the FAQ to use a quarter
cup of cayenne: it might be more than you can handle.



How does it work on ordinary canker sores?


I have no idea, but you can try it for yourself with the recipe
in the 10-year-old Cancer FAQ:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cancer-faq/

It's at the very bottom.

Dave


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Re: Cocoa additives

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 12:54 AM Tuesday 12/13/2005, Dave Land wrote:

On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:


My wife says that nutmeg goes with everything.  But I personally
have always enjoyed mixing sweet with hot and spicy.  Think mango
and chipotle peppers together, for an example, or papaya and cayenne.


Funny how things go in circles...

10 years or so, when Kevin was diagnosed, I was on a mailing list
called Cancer-L for cancer patients and caregivers. A number of
recipes for cayenne candy were given to help people suffering from
chemo-induced mouth sores. Evidently, it takes *lots* of cayenne
to be effective.

If you're interested in the recipe, Google "Cancer-L cayenne". You
may want to ignore the advice given in the FAQ to use a quarter
cup of cayenne: it might be more than you can handle.



How does it work on ordinary canker sores?


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Re: Cocoa additives

[Dave Land]

On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:


My wife says that nutmeg goes with everything.  But I personally
have always enjoyed mixing sweet with hot and spicy.  Think mango
and chipotle peppers together, for an example, or papaya and cayenne.


Funny how things go in circles...

10 years or so, when Kevin was diagnosed, I was on a mailing list
called Cancer-L for cancer patients and caregivers. A number of
recipes for cayenne candy were given to help people suffering from
chemo-induced mouth sores. Evidently, it takes *lots* of cayenne
to be effective.

If you're interested in the recipe, Google "Cancer-L cayenne". You
may want to ignore the advice given in the FAQ to use a quarter
cup of cayenne: it might be more than you can handle.

Dave

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Re: Cocoa additives

[Dave Land]

On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote:


But mango-chipotle salsa sounds delicious!


I'd like to cast a vote for mango salsa. It is amazing.
Even the store-bought stuff from Trader Joe's is quite
nice.

Dave
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Re: Bitter Fruit

[Doug Pensinger]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:28:40 -0600, Dan Minette 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



One of the reasons that I'm making such an effort to argue that the Bush
administration are/were arrogant incompetents instead of traitors (which 
is what someone who starts a war that hurts his own country so that a few

friends could make some money), is that the lessons are different for one
case than for another.  I think liberals as well as conservatives can 
learn from Bush's mistakes.


Bush's actions are far worse than mere mistakes, can't you see that Dan?  
Do you think all the talk about torture is just some kind of goof up?  The 
comment about the Constitution epitomizes the attitude of this 
administration.  They could care less about rights unless its convenient 
for their side of the argument.  When Scooter Libby was indicted the 
President’s comment was something to the effect that he was due his day in 
court; that he was innocent until proven guilty.  An idea he has been 
totally contemptuous of when it comes to those incarcerated at Gitmo.


I steadfastly believe that this administration believes that it doesn't 
have to obey laws as long as they keep their violations under wraps; that 
they don't have to respect rights when they interfere with their mission 
and that they don't have to tell the truth when its not convenient to do 
so.  I believe that these are people that think that it is necessary for 
the U.S. to use our military might to create a U.S. hegemony while we have 
an advantage; while we are the only super-power and that whatever means 
necessary to do so are justified.


To me, it is traitorous for the President to disparage the constitution, 
it is criminal to allow prisoners to be tortured and it is immoral to lie 
to and terrorize your own citizens.


Not just a mistake.

--
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RE: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 11:22 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Gary Nunn wrote:


>I recall a show (I think it may have been a two- or three-part
>mini-series) which followed 3 generations of different police
>in iirc some small Southern town (frex, it was notable that
>the third generation police chief was black . . . played by
>Billy Dee Williams,
>iirc) chasing a serial killer (Keith Carridine, iirc) who
>preyed on young boys he picked up hitchhiking.  ISTM it had a
>one-word title, although I have not been able to recall it.
>Does this sound anything like the show you (Gary) have in mind?
>-- Ronn!  :)


I looked this up on IMDB and it is called Chiefs. Not the same one though.
But feel free to keep sending ideas :-)




That was my sole contribution . . .


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RE: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Gary Nunn]

 
>I recall a show (I think it may have been a two- or three-part
>mini-series) which followed 3 generations of different police 
>in iirc some small Southern town (frex, it was notable that 
>the third generation police chief was black . . . played by 
>Billy Dee Williams,
>iirc) chasing a serial killer (Keith Carridine, iirc) who 
>preyed on young boys he picked up hitchhiking.  ISTM it had a 
>one-word title, although I have not been able to recall it.  
>Does this sound anything like the show you (Gary) have in mind?
>-- Ronn!  :)


I looked this up on IMDB and it is called Chiefs. Not the same one though.
But feel free to keep sending ideas :-)

Gary

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Re: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 10:02 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Russell Chapman wrote:

Andrew Paul wrote:


That sounds like Chiefs, which I cant say I saw, and seems to be a
movie.

http://www.learmedia.ca/product_info.php/products_id/652

1983, but it has many of the elements that Gary noted, such as taking
place over a long time frame.


Charlton Heston as well! IMDB shows it as a mini-series:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084997/
3½ hours long - so it might not be what Gary 
saw, unless he saw it over several nights.
I found it amusing to follow Andrew's link and 
find characters like Foxy Funderburke, or 
Sheriff Skeeter Willis, or Hoss Spence.
I mean, even 50 years ago, what new mother is 
going to call her baby "Hoss" or "Skeeter".



In RL many times those are not the name which 
appears on the birth certificate but nicknames 
which were given early and stuck.



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Re: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Russell Chapman]

Andrew Paul wrote:



That sounds like Chiefs, which I cant say I saw, and seems to be a
movie.

http://www.learmedia.ca/product_info.php/products_id/652

1983, but it has many of the elements that Gary noted, such as taking
place over a long time frame.
 


Charlton Heston as well! IMDB shows it as a mini-series:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084997/
3½ hours long - so it might not be what Gary saw, unless he saw it over 
several nights.
I found it amusing to follow Andrew's link and find characters like Foxy 
Funderburke, or Sheriff Skeeter Willis, or Hoss Spence.
I mean, even 50 years ago, what new mother is going to call her baby 
"Hoss" or "Skeeter".


Cheers
Russell C.


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New Front in the War-on-Mithrasmas Opens up on CNN

[The Fool]

<>

SEDER: Listen, as far as the war on Christmas goes, I feel like we
should be waging a war on Christmas. I mean, I believe that Christmas,
it's almost proven that Christmas has nuclear weapons, can be an
imminent threat to this country, that they have operative ties with
terrorists and I believe that we should sacrifice thousands of American
lives in pursuit of this war on Christmas. And hundreds of billions of
dollars of taxpayer money. 

PHILLIPS: Is it a war on Christmas, a war Christians, a war on
over-political correctness or just a lot of people with way too much
time on their hands? 

SEDER: I would say probably, if I was to be serious about it, too much
time on their hands, but I'd like to get back to the operational ties
between Santa Claus and al Qaeda. 

PHILLIPS: I don't think that exists. Bob? Help me out here. 

SEDER: We have intelligence, we have intelligence. 

PHILLIPS: You have intel. Where exactly does your intel come from? 

SEDER: Well, we have tortured an elf and it's actually how we got the
same information from Al Libbi. It's exactly the same way the Bush
administration got this info about the operational ties between al
Qaeda and Saddam. 


...

Yes, well, Kyra, I mean, listen, I would like Bob to tell me who is the
person who has been offended by someone saying Merry Christmas to them?
I've never met that person. 

I don't celebrate Christmas. But if someone says "Merry Christmas" to
me, I either think, well, it's a little bit odd, it's like me saying
happy birthday to you on my birthday, but no one cares. 

But I will tell you this, as we wage the war on the war on the war on
the war on Christmas on our radio show. News Corp., Fox News, those
people who have started this entire war on Christmas mean, fake war,
they're having a holiday party. 

President Bush saying "Happy Holidays." Tokyo Rose, Laura Bush, saying
"Happy Holidays" to her dogs in the video, I'm sure you've seen it. I
mean, these are the things that we should be talking about when we are
waging this war in Iraq, we should be equating it to the war on
Christmas.

What else would Bob Knight have an opportunity to do, how else would he
get on television if he wasn't pretending to be attacked. 

KINGHT: This would be funny except it is serious to a lot of people who
have seen their faith cleansed from the public square systemically. 

SEDER: Are you suggesting, Bob, that someone can't celebrate Christmas
in America? Tell me about the person who can escape the celebration. 

...

SEDER: I do agree with Bob. I think what should happen is companies
should calculate how much money they're getting from people who are
celebrating Christmas and provide exactly that much amount of Merry
Christmas, because that is exactly how I would want any type of
religious holiday to be celebrated. 

...

SEDER: Hannukah is not a high holiday. Our high holidays are Rosh
Hashanna and Yom Kippur, which I'm sure Bob has been protesting why
there are not more Yom Kippur sales or Rosh Hashanah sales during those
holidays. Why shouldn't there be, right Bob? 

...

SEDER: Bob, have you ever protested Martin Luther King Day not being
celebrated. Do you resent when people don't say "Happy Martin Luther
King Day" a month out in advance? 

...

PHILLIPS: Bob, I'm going to let you have the final thought.

KNIGHT: OK. You know, when the Nazis moved into Austria in 1936... 

SEDER: Oh, that's offensive, Bob, to raise Nazis. KNIGHT: They
immediately removed from the schools. You can read about it in... 

PHILLIPS: Hold on, Sam. Let Bob make his point. Let Bob make his point.
Go ahead, Bob. 

KNIGHT: You can't even let me speak. Can you? You're so...

Maria Trapp wrote the story of the Trapp singers that's in "The Sound
of Music," and she said she sent her kids to school after the Nazis
took over. And they came home and said mama, we can't say the word
Christmas anymore. It's now winter holiday. 

I think that ought to disturb people...

SEDER: Kyra, that's offensive.

KNIGHT: ...that we're moving toward that kind of attitude in this
country. 

SEDER: The Puritans also outlawed Christmas. The founding fathers of
this country would fine you in Massachusetts if you celebrated
Christmas in the beginning. So don't talk about Nazis, Bob. I think
that's really inappropriate. 

Why do you have to bring hate to this Christmas and holiday season?
That's so sad, Bob. 

KNIGHT: Well, let's go to the Soviet Union then too. They had
grandfather frost. 

Well, it's the truth. You ought to read the book yourself, and maybe
you'll change your mind. 

SEDER: It's just sad that you have to raise Nazis when you're talking
about Christmas and the holiday season. And we all know that Christmas
actually, Tannenbaum, it's a German holiday. Bob, I'm really, really
disappointed in you. 

KNIGHT: I'm sorry to disappoint you, but if you can't understand the
force of history... 

SEDER: To bring up Nazis, Bob.

KNIGHT: I'

Re: Cocoa additives

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 05:40 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:


>From http://www.candhsugarcompany.com/Consumer/cane_vs_beet.html at the C&H
website:

"Cane sugar contains trace minerals that are different from those in beet
sugar, and it's these minerals that many experts say make cane sugar
preferable to use. As professional bakers have long noticed, cane sugar has
a low melting-point, absorbs fewer extraneous and undesirable odors, blends
easily and is less likely to foam up. And that can be very important when
you're caramelizing a syrup, making a delicate glaze, baking a delicious
meringue, or simmering your family's favorite jam recipe The San
Francisco Chronicle conducted a blind taste test, testing cane sugar vs.
beet and consistently found the foods made with cane sugar were preferable."

Those trace minerals and other "impurities" can amount to as much as 0.2% of
the contents of a bag of sugar, IIRC.




Is that more or less than the FDA-allowed maximum percentage of 
animal hairs, insect parts, and rodent droppings?



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RE: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Andrew Paul]

 


> On Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 1:49 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: Help me identify 80's cop show...
> 
> At 04:55 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
> >Gary Nunn wrote:
> >>I apologize if I have asked this here before, but for 
> several years I 
> >>have been trying to identify a TV show I saw in the mid to 
> late 80's, 
> >>late one night.
> >>It was a police show, and I think their police station was an old 
> >>bakery. The show jumped back and forth and followed the 
> same officers 
> >>through three different time periods - maybe in the 60's or 70's, 
> >>present day (late 80's then) and in the near future.
> >>I think it was a failed pilot for a series. I can't remember anyone 
> >>who may have been in it. I have searched many times on Google with 
> >>different terms as well as the IMDB.
> >>Anyone?
> >
> >No clue.  Want me to pass this along, though?  I might know 
> someone who 
> >might know.  (I'm almost frightened by what some of my acquaintances 
> >know.  That's more than mitigated by being grateful about 
> what some of 
> >them know.)
> 
> 
> I recall a show (I think it may have been a two- or three-part
> mini-series) which followed 3 generations of different police 
> in iirc some small Southern town (frex, it was notable that 
> the third generation police chief was black . . . played by 
> Billy Dee Williams,
> iirc) chasing a serial killer (Keith Carridine, iirc) who 
> preyed on young boys he picked up hitchhiking.  ISTM it had a 
> one-word title, although I have not been able to recall it.  
> Does this sound anything like the show you (Gary) have in mind?
> 

That sounds like Chiefs, which I cant say I saw, and seems to be a
movie.

http://www.learmedia.ca/product_info.php/products_id/652

1983, but it has many of the elements that Gary noted, such as taking
place over a long time frame.

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Re: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 04:55 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:

Gary Nunn wrote:

I apologize if I have asked this here before, but for several years I
have been trying to identify a TV show I saw in the mid to late 80's,
late one night.
It was a police show, and I think their police station was an old
bakery. The show jumped back and forth and followed the same officers
through three different time periods - maybe in the 60's or 70's,
present day (late 80's then) and in the near future.
I think it was a failed pilot for a series. I can't remember anyone
who may have been in it. I have searched many times on Google with
different terms as well as the IMDB.
Anyone?


No clue.  Want me to pass this along, though?  I might know someone who
might know.  (I'm almost frightened by what some of my acquaintances 
know.  That's more than mitigated by being grateful about what some 
of them know.)



I recall a show (I think it may have been a two- or three-part 
mini-series) which followed 3 generations of different police in iirc 
some small Southern town (frex, it was notable that the third 
generation police chief was black . . . played by Billy Dee Williams, 
iirc) chasing a serial killer (Keith Carridine, iirc) who preyed on 
young boys he picked up hitchhiking.  ISTM it had a one-word title, 
although I have not been able to recall it.  Does this sound anything 
like the show you (Gary) have in mind?



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Re: Br!n: AIs & Nanos... dangerous children?

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 02:07 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote:

(Hoping I get the 'who said's correct-)




You should have been able to tell by the smiley faces . . .




> >Warren Ockrassa wrote:



> >The problem is that a lot of innocent people
> >will suffer and die in the process. I guess
> >that's why I vacillate between disgust and
> >intolerance for such idiots, but never anything
> >like a quiet shrug. So on my good days I'm often
> >tempted to advise them to shut up; and on my bad
> >days I'm more tempted to advocate firing squads.

> Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The only problem with that suggestion is that
> it's people who feel like you do who believe in
> gun control, while it's the conservatives and the
> Christians who have all the firearms . . . :P

Some of us Heretic Deists* have guns too, and yet
manage to avoid raving fundamentalism... `;}
*truncated for brevity

The religious Christian group that seems to be closest
in following Jesus' teachings is the Quakers.  Those
who believe that salvation/conversion is best served
at gunpoint do not deserve to call themselves
Christian.  Highway robbery, indeed.

As a pragmatic idealist, I disagree with the notion
that having regard for one's fellow human does not
permit self-defense.

Debbi
who means no disrespect to any
non-rabid-fundamentalist believer


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Re: Cocoa additives

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 12:39 PM Monday 12/12/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote:


  Sorry, I have tried mole several times and
found it very unpalatable; maybe it just wasn't
prepared correctly.




A cat keeps them out of the garden, but AFAIK they generally eat them 
raw (whatever part of them they do eat).  I don't know how to prepare 
them so humans will enjoy them.  I suspect that the first step would 
be to remove the dirt . . .





  But mango-chipotle salsa sounds
delicious!

> If you are adventurous, try a dash of Trappey's Red
> Devil Sauce in your
> cocoa.  Or a mixture of green chillies, ginger,
> coriander, and cumin, like
> you might find in an Indian curry -- I would leave
> out the onions, garlic, tomato, and ghee :-)

You *are* skating on the edge of sanity, sir; I wish
to _enhance_ the flavor of cocoa, not mangle it.  ;)

My years-ago trial of fresh ginger in tea with milk
was tongue-curdling; how do you mix ginger and milk
without that?  Or is it a matter of amount, or using
powdered ginger instead of fresh?




I like ginger, and I like milk, but I have never tried mixing them.


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Re: Cocoa additives

[Mauro Diotallevi]

On 12/12/05, Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Mauro "the gourmand" Diotallevi
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My wife says that nutmeg goes with everything.  But
> > I personally have always
> > enjoyed mixing sweet with hot and spicy.  Think
> > mango and chipotle peppers
> > together, for an example, or papaya and cayenne.  Or
> > the mixture of
> > chocolate and various peppers in mole.
>
>   Sorry, I have tried mole several times and
> found it very unpalatable; maybe it just wasn't
> prepared correctly.  But mango-chipotle salsa sounds
> delicious!


Mangoes are one of my favorite foods in the world, but mole comes in a close
second.  I believe turkey mole is more traditional, but chicken mole is made
much more commonly these days.  I've even eaten a nice pork mole.  A recent
contestant on Iron Chef America made a sauce that was more or less mole and
called it "Aztec Love Potion."  I believe there is a Colorado company that
actually makes a Cocoa Mole food bar, with no meat in it but with raisins,
almonds, walnuts, dates, chili powder... I'm missing an ingredient or two
here...

But certainly, everyone's tastes are different.  For example, despite their
similarities, I enjoy a good haggis but am not much fond of menudo.



> > If you are adventurous, try a dash of Trappey's Red
> > Devil Sauce in your
> > cocoa.  Or a mixture of green chillies, ginger,
> > coriander, and cumin, like
> > you might find in an Indian curry -- I would leave
> > out the onions, garlic, tomato, and ghee :-)
>
> You *are* skating on the edge of sanity, sir; I wish
> to _enhance_ the flavor of cocoa, not mangle it.  ;)
>
> My years-ago trial of fresh ginger in tea with milk
> was tongue-curdling; how do you mix ginger and milk
> without that?  Or is it a matter of amount, or using
> powdered ginger instead of fresh?


Definitely powdered ginger, carefully applied.


> >If you are really
> > adventurous, puree some soy milk,
> > butternut squash, peanut butter, and curry powder
> > and mix a little of that in with the cocoa.
>
> Hmm, interesting.  That sounds like it would go better
> with ginger instead of cocoa; perhaps I'm more of a
> purist than I thought...


The squash mixture also makes a pretty good base for a soup.


> > Changing gears a little, if you're not planning to
> > go anywhere, a splash (or
> > more!) of a fruit-flavored mead would go nicely with
> > the cocoa.  A
> > blackberry mead should work well, or a mead with a
> > bit of oaky flavor.  You
> > might also want to try a good, sweet Canadian
> > icewine -- the ones from
> > Ontario are the best in the world.  For an extra
> > warming effect, try the
> > mead or icewine without the cocoa!
>
> Kahlua.  Frangelica.  Bailey's MMmm...
> (But not appropriate before heading out to the barn.
> Trust me.)


All of the above are much better for warming up after coming back in from
the barn, I would think.  :-)


> > And of course, any sweetener added to any of these
> > should be pure cane sugar.
>
> Why?  Sucrose ought to be sucrose, whatever the
> source.


>From http://www.candhsugarcompany.com/Consumer/cane_vs_beet.html at the C&H
website:

"Cane sugar contains trace minerals that are different from those in beet
sugar, and it's these minerals that many experts say make cane sugar
preferable to use. As professional bakers have long noticed, cane sugar has
a low melting-point, absorbs fewer extraneous and undesirable odors, blends
easily and is less likely to foam up. And that can be very important when
you're caramelizing a syrup, making a delicate glaze, baking a delicious
meringue, or simmering your family's favorite jam recipe The San
Francisco Chronicle conducted a blind taste test, testing cane sugar vs.
beet and consistently found the foods made with cane sugar were preferable."

Those trace minerals and other "impurities" can amount to as much as 0.2% of
the contents of a bag of sugar, IIRC.

Mauro
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Re: Cocoa additives

[Julia Thompson]

Deborah Harrell wrote:

Mauro "the gourmand" Diotallevi


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



My wife says that nutmeg goes with everything.  But
I personally have always
enjoyed mixing sweet with hot and spicy.  Think
mango and chipotle peppers
together, for an example, or papaya and cayenne.  Or
the mixture of
chocolate and various peppers in mole.



  Sorry, I have tried mole several times and
found it very unpalatable; maybe it just wasn't
prepared correctly.  But mango-chipotle salsa sounds
delicious!


How about salsa made with peaches?  (Nicest use of peaches I can think 
of -- I'm very much un-fond of them in cobbler, frex!)



If you are adventurous, try a dash of Trappey's Red
Devil Sauce in your
cocoa.  Or a mixture of green chillies, ginger,
coriander, and cumin, like
you might find in an Indian curry -- I would leave
out the onions, garlic, tomato, and ghee :-)   



You *are* skating on the edge of sanity, sir; I wish
to _enhance_ the flavor of cocoa, not mangle it.  ;)

My years-ago trial of fresh ginger in tea with milk
was tongue-curdling; how do you mix ginger and milk
without that?  Or is it a matter of amount, or using
powdered ginger instead of fresh?


Well, the thought of candied ginger plus milk is revolting.  (I've eaten 
a lot of candied ginger for medicinal purposes -- it can help with 
morning sickness, and I had that in spades with my second pregnancy.)


Ginger snaps with milk are delightful.

I'll extrapolate that it would work better with powdered ginger.  :)


If you are really
adventurous, puree some soy milk,
butternut squash, peanut butter, and curry powder
and mix a little of that in with the cocoa.



Hmm, interesting.  That sounds like it would go better
with ginger instead of cocoa; perhaps I'm more of a
purist than I thought...


I'm with you on ginger vs. cocoa with all that!


Changing gears a little, if you're not planning to
go anywhere, a splash (or
more!) of a fruit-flavored mead would go nicely with
the cocoa.  A
blackberry mead should work well, or a mead with a
bit of oaky flavor.  You
might also want to try a good, sweet Canadian
icewine -- the ones from
Ontario are the best in the world.  For an extra
warming effect, try the
mead or icewine without the cocoa!



Kahlua.  Frangelica.  Bailey's MMmm...
(But not appropriate before heading out to the barn. 
Trust me.)


I like having something minty in my cocoa.  :)


And of course, any sweetener added to any of these
should be pure cane sugar.  



Why?  Sucrose ought to be sucrose, whatever the
source.

Debbi
Apparently Less Discriminating Tastebuds Maru   :)


1)  Someone might [shudder] add non-sucrose sweetener.

2)  Maple sugar or brown sugar is going to add flavor overtones that you 
probably don't want with your cocoa.  (Maple sugar in coffee is another 
matter entirely.  Not that I've done it, but I've read about it, and the 
person who tried it liked it, at least.)


Julia



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Re: Cocoa additives

[Julia Thompson]

Deborah Harrell wrote:

Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Why is allspice not good in cocoa?



 


On 12/9/05, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Not so good: allspice.



I didn't think that the taste enhanced that of cocoa -
not sure why; you might decide differently.  I didn't
like molasses in it either (I was out of sugar, and
desperate for chocolate...won't do *that* again!).


Oh, dear, if I'd thought about it just a minute I could have told you 
that molasses doesn't work with milk and chocolate


I'd much sooner try Karo.  (Even then, I shudder.)

(We use molasses for various things, and so have considered what it is 
good with and what it would probably be atrocious with.)


Juila

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Re: Help me identify 80's cop show...

[Julia Thompson]

Gary Nunn wrote:


I apologize if I have asked this here before, but for several years I
have been trying to identify a TV show I saw in the mid to late 80's,
late one night.

It was a police show, and I think their police station was an old
bakery. The show jumped back and forth and followed the same officers
through three different time periods - maybe in the 60's or 70's,
present day (late 80's then) and in the near future.

I think it was a failed pilot for a series. I can't remember anyone
who may have been in it. I have searched many times on Google with
different terms as well as the IMDB.

Anyone?


No clue.  Want me to pass this along, though?  I might know someone who
might know.  (I'm almost frightened by what some of my acquaintances 
know.  That's more than mitigated by being grateful about what some of 
them know.)


Julia
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Re: Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'

[Julia Thompson]

Robert G. Seeberger wrote:

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case 
that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”


“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s 
just a goddamned piece of paper!”


I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they 
all confirm that the President of the United States called the 
Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”


And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States 
is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this 
group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddamned 
piece of paper” used to guarantee.


Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, 
wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”


Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It 
doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It 
doesn’t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not.  Despite 
our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the 
defining document of our government, the final source to determine – 
in the end – if something is legal or right.


Every federal official – including the President – who takes an oath 
of office swears to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United 
States."


I'd call him on that and ask if he's trying to perjure himself.  Or is 
that not reasonable?


Expletive.

Julia

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Re: Bitter Fruit

[Dan Minette]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: Bitter Fruit



>
>
http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/003/236jmcbd.asp?pg=1

>Although you say you disagreed with the war you seem to say you agree
>with this reasoning.  Which I should say is a reasonable position

>except I just think Kristol's argument here and particularly the rest
>I of the article I didn't quote was the same mess of half-truths that
>Bush and Cheney used.

I look at it slightly differently.  The history that he listed is not
inconsitent with what I remember from the time.  I recall the demand that
all US members of the inspection team be removed.  I still seem to recall
the inspectors being restrained at gun point on TV.  I definately remember
the vast complexes that were labelled off limits.

Given that, I understand the arguements by Kagen and Kristal.  I thought,
before the war, they had some validity.  Since Hussein's actions made no
sense unless he had something to hide, it made a lot of sense to me to
assume that he was hiding WMD.

(BTW, that article explains the first descripiton of the inspectors leaving
because Clinton was about to bomb suspected sites and the reports that
Hussein expelled them.  Even though they had withdrawn physically, they had
the right to go back in until that right was eliminated by them being
"expelled" by Hussein.)

After 1998, we got very little useful data on Hussein's weapons program.
The value of the snippets we received were questionable.  My understanding
is that Kagen, Bush, etc. saw in these snippets confirmation of what they
already "knew" was true.


>From all of that, I get back to the point that if I could see the threat
was overstated
>other people should have been able to see it too,

At the time, I was of the opinion that the evaluation of the limited data
which we had was the three sigma upper limit.  As it turns out, the actual
WMD was less than my 3 sigma lower limit. My opposition to the war, on
strategic grounds, was that a bungled American rebuilding of Iraq would
pose a greater risk to the US than Hussein's weapons program.  I thought
that we could threaten war, but "reluctantly" accept a strict inspection
program and sanctions that would be harder to turn into a "oil for weapons"
program.

If I had thought, as most neocons did, that the Iraq rebuilding would be a
clear shining success by now, then I probably would have leaned towards
instead of against the war.  Even if I would pay a personal price in the
form of less business, the world would be far better off with a government
like, say, Turkey, running Iraq.  The distribution of income would be far
better than in a one-man rule, and the income should be fairly good.  The
Iraqis would be far better off, and the long term implications of this
would be good for the US.

Given the information that was available at the time, I felt that people
who thought the plusses outweighed the minuses (such as Gautam) were
reasonable, knowledgeable people who analyzed the same incomplete
information and came to a different conclusion.

After Kay, I believed, established that there were not significant WMD in
Iraq, I was still puzzled by the actions of Hussein.  As I stated earlier
in this post, he certainly acted as if he had something very important to
hide.

Recently I read an analysis that made sense.  He was not hiding the fact
that he _did_ have extensive WMD...he was hiding the fact that he _didn't_.
He had concluded that the use of WMD saved Iraq from defeat in the
Iran-Iraq war (not unreasonable), and was the single most important factor
in the US stopping at the border of Iraq instead of invading Baghdad.  From
his perspective, the lack of an invasion was a sign of fear on the part of
the US, not one of restraint.

You or me, given the fact that we did not have WMD, would think that the
logical response to the demand for full inspections would be the counter:
"I'll throw the doors wide open...you can look where-ever you want.  But,
if you find no more than a few shells that were missed when we destroyed
our WMD, then you must accept that Iraq is a reasonable state, entitled to
an end of sanctions and further inspections.  I want the fly-overs stopped,
and I want to be able to sell our oil like any other country.

I'd guess that such a response would find willing takers.  He would have
forced Bush et. al. into a corner.  But, that corner is apparent to someone
who understands the US as we do; it was not apparent to him.

The final point is the revalation about Libya that occurred in 2003.  They
came "in out of the cold", by revealing and ending their WMD program.  This
program was within a year of a working A-bomb.

I would be very impressed if anyone argued, in 2002, that it was Libya, not
Iraq that was about to develop an A-bomb, and that we should worry a great
deal about their potential to pose a s

Dolphin therapy

[Deborah Harrell]

Makanee (sp?) is no doubt rolling her eyes in a "D'oh"
sort of way...

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/115/111790.htm
Frolicking with dolphins could ease mild to moderate
depression, at least temporarily, new research shows.

The researchers aren't suggesting that anyone quit
therapy or ditch antidepressants over their
findings... 

...The study was led by Christian Antonioli, a PhD
candidate in psychiatry at England's University of
Leicester Medical School. The findings appear in the
British Medical Journal.

The study included 30 people with mild to moderate
depression. They spent two weeks at the Roatan
Institute for Marine Sciences in Honduras.  The
researchers assigned one group of patients to snorkel
with dolphins for an hour daily. A trainer directed
half of each session; patients played freely with the
dolphins during the other time.

For comparison, a second group of patients spent a
similar amount of time in the water, without dolphins.
They got an equal amount of attention from human
staff, too.

Before and after the study, patients rated their
depression symptoms. Those who swam with dolphins
showed a greater drop in depression symptoms...

...No follow-up was done, so it's not clear how long
the benefits lasted. No side effects were seen, but
"accidental injuries may occur," write Antonioli and
colleagues...

Debbi
who uses feline and equine therapy, herself

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Re: Br!n: AIs & Nanos... dangerous children?

[Deborah Harrell]

(Hoping I get the 'who said's correct-)

> Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Warren Ockrassa wrote:

 

> >The problem is that a lot of innocent people 
> >will suffer and die in the process. I guess 
> >that's why I vacillate between disgust and 
> >intolerance for such idiots, but never anything 
> >like a quiet shrug. So on my good days I'm often 
> >tempted to advise them to shut up; and on my bad 
> >days I'm more tempted to advocate firing squads.
 
> The only problem with that suggestion is that 
> it's people who feel like you do who believe in 
> gun control, while it's the conservatives and the 
> Christians who have all the firearms . . . :P

Some of us Heretic Deists* have guns too, and yet
manage to avoid raving fundamentalism... `;}
*truncated for brevity

The religious Christian group that seems to be closest
in following Jesus' teachings is the Quakers.  Those
who believe that salvation/conversion is best served
at gunpoint do not deserve to call themselves
Christian.  Highway robbery, indeed.

As a pragmatic idealist, I disagree with the notion
that having regard for one's fellow human does not
permit self-defense.

Debbi
who means no disrespect to any
non-rabid-fundamentalist believer

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Re: Cocoa additives

[Jim Sharkey]

Deborah Harrell wrote:
>Kahlua. Frangelica. Bailey's MMmm...

All good apertifs.  Though my favorite topper is Grand Marnier.  
However, that's not booze for the faint of liver or of wallet.  ;-p

Jim

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Re: Cocoa additives

[Deborah Harrell]

> Mauro "the gourmand" Diotallevi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My wife says that nutmeg goes with everything.  But
> I personally have always
> enjoyed mixing sweet with hot and spicy.  Think
> mango and chipotle peppers
> together, for an example, or papaya and cayenne.  Or
> the mixture of
> chocolate and various peppers in mole.

  Sorry, I have tried mole several times and
found it very unpalatable; maybe it just wasn't
prepared correctly.  But mango-chipotle salsa sounds
delicious!
 
> If you are adventurous, try a dash of Trappey's Red
> Devil Sauce in your
> cocoa.  Or a mixture of green chillies, ginger,
> coriander, and cumin, like
> you might find in an Indian curry -- I would leave
> out the onions, garlic, tomato, and ghee :-)   

You *are* skating on the edge of sanity, sir; I wish
to _enhance_ the flavor of cocoa, not mangle it.  ;)

My years-ago trial of fresh ginger in tea with milk
was tongue-curdling; how do you mix ginger and milk
without that?  Or is it a matter of amount, or using
powdered ginger instead of fresh?

>If you are really
> adventurous, puree some soy milk,
> butternut squash, peanut butter, and curry powder
> and mix a little of that in with the cocoa.

Hmm, interesting.  That sounds like it would go better
with ginger instead of cocoa; perhaps I'm more of a
purist than I thought...
 
> Changing gears a little, if you're not planning to
> go anywhere, a splash (or
> more!) of a fruit-flavored mead would go nicely with
> the cocoa.  A
> blackberry mead should work well, or a mead with a
> bit of oaky flavor.  You
> might also want to try a good, sweet Canadian
> icewine -- the ones from
> Ontario are the best in the world.  For an extra
> warming effect, try the
> mead or icewine without the cocoa!

Kahlua.  Frangelica.  Bailey's MMmm...
(But not appropriate before heading out to the barn. 
Trust me.)

> And of course, any sweetener added to any of these
> should be pure cane sugar.  

Why?  Sucrose ought to be sucrose, whatever the
source.

Debbi
Apparently Less Discriminating Tastebuds Maru   :)

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Re: Cocoa additives

[Deborah Harrell]

> Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why is allspice not good in cocoa?

 
> >On 12/9/05, Deborah Harrell wrote:
> > Not so good: allspice.

I didn't think that the taste enhanced that of cocoa -
not sure why; you might decide differently.  I didn't
like molasses in it either (I was out of sugar, and
desperate for chocolate...won't do *that* again!).

Debbi
Just A Few Hundred More Posts To Peruse Maru  :P

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Re: World Oil Prices (was RE: Bitter Fruit)

[Alberto Monteiro]

Andrew Paul wrote:
> 
> Petrol in nearly all of the OECD countries is very much more 
> expensive than it is in the US. (...)
> 
> Much of this is due to different tax levies.
> 
Yes, because the "reference price" [prior to taxes] can´t be
greater than (price in the USA) + (freight).

> Is the US effectively subsidising local fuel prices (say by higher
> taxes elsewhere)?
>
No: all other countries are punishing their populations for using
oil.

I´m not sure that you can read this page, but here is how Petrobras
computes the price of gasoline:

http://www2.petrobras.com.br/portal/ingles/frame.asp?
pagina=/produtos_servicos/ing/Composicao.asp

If you want to convert from Real to Dolar, 1 US$ is about 
R$ 2.1 to R$ 2.3 [BTW: it was 1 US$ = R$ 4.00 in January 2003;
our Communist Government has done a good job in stabilizing
the economy]

Alberto Monteiro

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Secret Laws

[The Fool]

<>

A three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals seemed
skeptical of the Bush administration's defense of *secret laws* and
regulations but stopped short of suggesting that such a rule would be
necessarily unconstitutional.

"How do we know there's an order?" Judge Thomas Nelson asked. "Because
you said there was?" 

The Justice Department has said it could identify the secret law
under seal, which would be available to the 9th Circuit but not
necessarily Gilmore's lawyers. But any public description would not be
permitted, the department said.

--
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." 
--Voltaire

"This Constitution is likely to be administered for a course 
of years and then end in despotism... when the people shall 
become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being 
incapable of any other."
--Benjamin Franklin
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